/3/ - 3DCG

They been watching disney porn since childhood.

>>772121
It's easy to pick up and inoffensive on every level. It's the Tonic water of 3D styles.

>>772121
Frozen style. Fuck disney. Also for some demonic reason eveyr single sculpting tutorial in blender is to make shit like this lol

>>772124
this, and i say this as a 3d hobbist who doesn't want to dedicate my life to it. although impressive stylized art sure is hard to pull off, stylized in general has a very low floor level

>>772125
because blendlets are low skill level

>>772124
>>772129
I'll let you guys know... not only is Tonic water super tasty, it also contains quinine which is a magic substance that cures all ills, and glows in the black light.

Tonic is not bland or basic. You're thinking carbonated water.
Have a tonic, go buy one of those Canada Dry cans and drink that bad boy.

>>772132
Does that mean artists at Disney and Pixar are low skill level as well because they work in this style?

>>772135
This is a cheap imitation of that style. Don't act like Elsa's model is in the same tier. Or, maybe you are just too unskilled to see the difference?

https://deepai.org/machine-learning-model/toonify

This "style" is basicbitch shit

>>772138
"great" AI

>>772143
unfourtuneaahhtlleee the alllgorythm is still in its infanc

>>772121
American sameface callarts social inclusion.
You can tell the nationality of an artist by the way he sculpts and animates, not only the software.

>>772147
I take it your nationality is Hell? What do you even call that? Hellspawn?

I call it the "california jews promoting cute lovable brown girls" style.

That's how they teach students to model these days, and like everything else they've ever done for the last 3000 years, it's done with the aim of subverting their host nation.

I see more and more Jap artists drawing and sculpting in that style, Disney shit is big there after all

>>772155
not for no reason. Prior human looking characters bounced between too abstract and too realistic. The style works because it's an inoffensive island in an ocean of monsters.

>>772148
still better than anything you ever be able to come up with

>>772159
That doesn't answer my question.

>>772143
>>772144
This shit is going to haunt my dreams tonight, thanks.

>>772121
american canons of character design

>>772155
>Disney shit is big there after all
oh boy, maybe one day you'll find out how the typical animu style developed

It is basically the quickest way to make something "appealing".
I guess it has something to do with the uncanny valley and this style is still in the cute doll area and it's unproportionally harder to get the same positive reactions out of your viewers with higher realism.

>>772203
its not but whatever

>>772147

Bro, if that's legit your work you should spend more time studying and less time talking shit.

Because it's the first thing that pops up on youtube when people look for how to make characters easily. There's no problem with it really as a basic introductory, but people that stick with it have a tendency to just stagnate and continue remaking the same cutesy girl bust 100 times over. Like you perfected this style, and that's cool, just go do something else for fucks sake.

>>772362
And what in the actual fuck are you spenting your time on right now, amerinigger?

>>772147
Waaaait a minute. I recognize this "style". You make youtube videos, don't you?

>>772123
mmmmm disney porn...

>>772366

Don't need to get salty, champ.
Focus less on being jealous and more on being better.

Why does so much 2d look like pic related? Is this the Toei style of 2d?

>>772544
Because weebs have no standards.

>>772544
cost considerations

>>772123
Disney? Porn you say?

Bella Thorne?

>>772565

>That feeling when you 1st attempt this style and end up making a wallace and gromit character

Can this be salavaged?

>>772598
Yes.
You need to lower your mesh density first and make your primary shapes less obvious and more anatomically correct.

The face is actually the hardest part to do "elegantly". It seems simple to get the disney face appeal, buts i's filled with sublte shapes to make it charming.

Kudos to whoever can guess where the original is from

>>772129
>stylized in general has a very low floor level
You could really say the same thing about 2D art, but there's infinitely more variety among 2D art than 3D.

>>772607
Rawpwnzel

>>772663

it's very easy to do stylized 2D that looks appealing, since the graphic body can be extremely abstract and still make sense.

3D on the other hand is much more grounded i reality and even slight misproportions look _off_

>>772683
Tell that to 3DGuy, he doesn't seem to grasp this.

>>772706
>3DGuy

who?

>>772714
/3/'s mascot.

>>772716
nah, he is more the guy you point your fingers at and say: don't be like this guy.

>>772716

Who?

>>772706
>giving attention to people who don't deserve attention
just ignore it, can't be that hard to do

>>772683
I think it's also due to the fact that a lot 3D artists seem totally married to photorealistic rendering techniques, which don't always mesh well with stylized characters. And the farthest they'll ever diverge from that is like cel shading with an outline.
I firmly believe that stylized 3D CAN look good, because if you look at videogames without the luxury of physically accurate lighting, lots of them find ways to stylize their characters and look better than they would with realistic characters. Pic related looks appealing most of the time and doesn't use the standard face OP posted.

im self taught- have grown up removed from any cgi scenes or artists- and after taking a peek into the 3d world-- ( entered the mind dojo to hone my skills- shared very little work while learning- but kept motivated by internal passion. had no interest in sharing my work, and so did not learn alongside any kind of standardized style) i finally came out of my cave said where is the good stuff at??. I think in the future, most people will see the style in OP more clearly as a very white bread approach within an adolescent medium, a medium with near limitless potential for stretching the imagination

>>772857

>>772121
is there something wrong with it? i just started practicing stylized sculpting and well didn't know this was a bad thing.
>pic related

>>772870
Every wannabe pro on Earth doing the same boring Disney face.
>overly large circular eyes
>concave nose ridge with button nose
>narrow mouth with large perky lips
> heart-shaped head with small chin

it is possible to create something unconventional yet still appealing you know. 'Unique' doesn't strictly mean 'TLoU2 tranny'

>>772121
It's what'll get you hired.

>>772899
well in my defense, i'm not trying to get this to be my style, i'm just trying to translate a 2d concept to a 3d sculpt, maybe latter when i do my own sculpts i will try to develop my own style, for now i'm trying to concentrate on 2d to 3d.

>>772857

Nigga, what the fuck do you think you're talking about. The style in Op's pic is literally Albert Hurter's design from Snow White translated intro 3D. That's a movie from almost 100 years ago. Do you know why that design didn't got major changes is this century? Because it fucking works in achieving everything it's set to do.

As you've said, you're self taught and has no interest in showing your work, which makes anything you do useless and devoid of any significant valor, since it can't be appreciated or used by anyone else but yourself. This also removes your fragile ego from any opportunity of growth since you hide from criticism and the opinions of people much more experienced than you.

Design is language, and if you only speak to yourself you might be doing just as good as babbling.

>>772899

The chinese have been trying for some time and failing miserably because their aesthetic direction is quite fucking:

a. Horrendous
b. Chaotic
c. Tiresome

Chinese designers fail to understand concepts of subtely or rest areas and their stuff just becomes a ramble of overarching needless detail

>>772960
What you find "chaotic" or "tiresome" is actually quite uneventful for the Asian brain. Remember, they are more intelligent than Whites, therefore their works will inevitably appear more complex, even if for them they are not. Shit like OP also appears difficult and tiresome to Blacks, even if to you it seems bland.

>>772966

Japanese and Korean design are far superior are more elegant than the shitshow the chinese ensemble.

>>772121
.. but why are there two mouse cursors in the picture?

>>772960
This.

>>772966
>blacks

Dude, blacks are the only ones who can pull off the anime look without also being asian.

Japs use anime style because of efficiency.
Blacks use anime style because of laziness.

This is what huWhites don't understand. Stylization serves a purpose: convey the same idea but don't waste your time on redundant details.

Whites can't do anime because whites think anime is the end goal, when in fact it's about cutting corners.

Every black artist that I've seen who's amazing always devolves to doing anime. Again, it's just quicker and the hoi poloi aren't sophisticated enough to tell anime is just a visual trick.

>>772975
>Dude, blacks are the only ones who can pull off the anime look without also being asian

>This is what huWhites don't understand.

Fuck you right in your asshole for bringing your shitty politics into this thread you stupid cunt.

>>772975

I couldn't agree more, anon.

What I also find fascinating is how latinos are absolutely incredible at everything 3D. I wonder if they are naturally able to channel their happiness and passion into art.

>>772977
>latinos are absolutely incredible at everything 3D

lol what

ITT we pander to minorities. Say something nice about the less privileged, anon.

>>772991

Whites DID create 3D, at least...

>>772604
Decided to start the foundation again instead of going back. its too frustrating for me to get things the way I want I want it to look.

I feel like my foundation is throwing me off from continuing. I'm looking reference pics of real people and Disney characters that I'm stuck on what is supposed to be right.

>>773045
This is what im trying to make into 3D

>>772969
Screenshot with a cursor in view.

>>773045

You absolutely need a foundation in real people to do stylized correctly.
To achieve an appealing character, you need to create a functional anatomy that works in that design's own rules - otherwise it's just a bunch of malformed shapes and volumes.
By being functional, you can sculpt what's not excessively descriptive in that concept.

>>772976
This every time
You retarded faggots can't even keep race out of discussion of design aesthetic as if it's in any way synonymous with culture and history.

>>772121
>>neoteny
gotta appeal to pedophrasts and pedophiles

>>772958
Why would anyone feel the need to post their work at the beginning stages of learning a medium?
It seems like it would trick the brain into sense of "achievement" too early in the learning process. Potentially skewing perseverance to learn and achieve more

>since it can't be appreciated or used by anyone else but yourself.
There is so much garbage in this world, I think there is extreme value being closed off from external stimuli while learning things. If it fails- so be it. If it succeeds, Great... What is important is that you came to conclusions on what is good and what is bad on your own.
My work only serves to be MY language into a space of creation. The process of creating is the value- the finished work, which can (and will) be shared, is a consolation.

The work unshared is similar to the hours training alone any athlete will endure, in order to accomplish their goals in the activity. Nobody needs to see the world champion kickboxer's high school tapes, and the kickboxer never felt the need to share their high school tapes/ it is personal growth that is not necessary to share- the champion has his eyes far ahead

>>772958
>and has no interest in showing your work

https://youtu.be/ArT30CDuC3Q
https://youtu.be/8AfXkIHvj7c

2 of my videos - I have more on my channel that anyone on earth can view

>>773071

Your analogy is an incomplete parable.
None of those world ranking athletes achieved that status by training alone, a recluse in a shadow.
They spent hours training, yes - but never by themselves. Always accompanied by mentors that would teach them the best techniques and paths of learning, just as the most nutritious food for their muscles to grow.

Not showing your work is like training by yourself without the knowledge of what is required to achieve your goals.
A teen who dreams about the world series but barely knows the rules of baseball, since he doesn't want to learn. Not sharing your work is not receiving constructive feedback on what you're doing, is listening to your own ego fight itself to please itself, never caring about the minds of others - who are the true judges of our works worth.

The only value of being closed from external stimuli is false sense of security

>>772121
It's quite annoying indeed. Something like the fact that half the people in art schools have tried to draw anime at some point in their lives. It's obviously related to mass culture (ie why marvel fans only draw super muscular guys,). Sad thing is that it almost monopolizes the concept of "stylized" in 3d while there are different examples that are really cool

>>773103

But those aren't appealing, in fact they're somewhat repulsive.

>>773166
Ik, but sometimes a non-sexualized/non-appealing style that works better for comedic/storytelling purposes. Maybe my example image wasn't the best.

>>773080
>None of those world ranking athletes achieved that status by training alone, a recluse in a shadow.
Rodney Mullen. Basically invented street skating alone in his garage. Unaware of what was going on around him- his father barred him from skateboarding or being a part of it. He worked out a completely new approach to the mechanics and physics of the body and board, which serves as the template for street skateboarding as we know it. Wonder- passion and drive- curiosity - isolated from the contemporary- these factors fueled the innovation and creation. Not fueled by external gratification or guidance. You seem to have a narrow view of things, especially if you choose to ignore this example. Another example, non-athlete, is Richard James

Your idea of the perfect method of learning does not exist. And you seem to assume everyone has the same sized ego as you, which is not the truth. Many great artists separate ego completely. It does not play a role in their fire to create.
Style is grown from within.
What is right and what is known does lead to creative breakthrough. Necessary to acknowledge, but a hindrance to innovation. Their is immense knowledge and power in the isolation while creating, especially now. Like I said above, we are surrounded by 24/7 garbage. How can one possibly think clearly in the pivotal stages of growth as an artist while surrounded by creative sludge?

You are also very hung up on 1 thing- I do share my work- And think others should too- But not for gratification or acceptance. Instead, to give permanence to the efforts. Nothing more.

>>773183

Anon, I do think your point of view has many strengths and I appreciate you taking the time and effort to share them with me. I wholeheartedly agree that we are much too unfocused and there's way too much noise getting in our way towards greatness.

Hell, if I didn't waste HOW MANY FUCKING HOURS playing World of Warcraft or Overwatch, I could probably have a much better house by now.

The problem I'm finding with your method (and analogies) is that in this particular medium, we are often concerned with communication. Art is Art, ok, but Design has a function. Most of what we do is more related to design than Art. Trying to achieve something new by not looking at what exists or at what is going on is (in my honest opinion) a gamble.
You need to iterate, not only on your ideas, but also on the ideas of others. I see that this is what you're against; being infected by a foreign concept, perhaps a foundation that might not be 'true' or 'real', and that we just build iterations of it. It in fact is what I believe is ruining most art direction nowadays. So many warcraft "skull and iron spikes", and giant shoulders derivatives, let alone *that* stylized look on orcs and dwarves that pretty much stained visual depiction of them for everything else. But that's also what sells. That's the current META for orcs and dwarves in popular culture, that's what our collective imagination instinctively sees when asked to picture them.

As you can guess, my POV is from a marketing standpoint, and not just as an artist.
I'm very interested in making my art interesting, and after our exchange of words, I came to believe that might actually be something that's holding me back.
Focusing less on what people WANT wand more on what they need and feeld could be much more productive to my own goals. Thanks

>>773233
Your perspective is good to read. We lack every single point of view besides our own. Commercial communication is something I have begun facing in these past few months- and it is something I have to get more comfortable with. I will do my best to take it in stride. I understand the world owes me nothing, which is a nice place to start (it seems)