/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>22306564

YES ANON MANUFACTURING JOBS ARE "SO" SHITTY GO AND MOVE THEM ALL TO CHINA PLUNGE AN ENTIRE NATIONAL REGION INTO PERPETUAL DEPRESSION AND HEROIN ADDICTION WHILE MAKING EVERYBODY GO ON WELFARE OR BE AN UBER DRIVER OR NURSE

>>20449279

>Free healthcare (illegal immigrants just don't pay, hospitals can't deny service)
>full welfare services in deep blue/sanctuary states
>$15k in taxpayer money per kid per school year

You don't understand how poor 3rd worlders are idiot. It's a sweet sweet deal. Even if they have to work they're still 1. displacing another native worker 2. undercutting wages usually 3. not paying income tax and 4. enjoying the fruits of the tax base (like schools, roads, infrastructure)

With that said I still think outsourcing is our greatest problem

>>19911703

>y-yeah we lost almost the entirety of our manufacturing base to China while rich men got fatter pockets.. y-y-eah those areas are drug addled shitholes now and our nation is made up of uber drivers and nurses.. that's healthy!! that's the future!!

Shill shilly shoo

>>19663625

>dude stop complaining about the mass sell-off of American working class jobs after we arbitrarily instituted a gross amount of regulations and wage/living standards that upped the bar to a point where American industry couldn't compete with our new friend, China

I don't want to live in a nation composed of nurses, waitresses, and uber drivers, anon. I want a healthy, productive, enfranchised nation of independent people that can vote with their mind, not their immediate needs. Cutting millions off from their work and sending that overseas is precisely how you create a brooding socialist revolution. There is much more going on than just "durr you guys get paid too much, too bad", this is about the future of the United States and its democratic integrity.

>>18396263

We've got some serious work to do, bro. This shit is atrocious.

>>18375885

China is the focus of the protectionism argument in the modern context you retard. Tell me how a "superpower" national economy based off of nurses and uber drivers is healthy long term when their main geopolitical opponent is amassing manufacturing capacity and resources?

>>18251929

Painting globalism as some beautiful sing song inevitability that you have to embrace or be labeled as a closed minded racist is also a classic tactic by big business kikes to drain a formerly prosperous country of half of its productive work and income you massively deceitful faggot.

>>18171077

Have you heard of the concept of a healthy balance? We put our own society at risk when we outsource all manufacturing capability and disenfranchise large swathes of the population. I believe that economic independence for every individual American is critical for the health of the democracy and by extension the country. So I'm a limited globalist, and believe we've jumped the shark with China.

If you're wondering what happened in 2000, China entered the WTO with no prohibitions. Manufacturing had a mass exodus rapidly thereafter. The Midwest got crippled and turned to opioids and welfare. We can't even produce masks and ventilators for ourselves anymore. That is not the recipe for a healthy, independent superpower friend.

>>18010843

It factually began in earnest when the WHO admitted China in 2001. This also coincided with a precipitous drop in American manufacturing jobs so... easy math. We could stand to cut these cunts off by at least 50%.

It isn't as simple as that. At the most base level, you want your country to maintain some level of manufacturing capability. This is critical in case of war, or if the country you're buying from gets hostile and jacks up prices once there is no more competition onshore.

Additionally, it causes a ton of domestic strife among the workers impacted by the sudden loss of their economy. And then you end up with a Trump.

As a teenager I was a pure libertarian but I've since come around. Idealized politics can't exist in a reality where nation-states are in eternal competition with one another, on every level imaginable, military or economic. A healthy, productive democratic state needs a healthy, productive workforce, with everyone engaged and earning. Otherwise you develop a massive dependent class of disenfranchised, poor, miserable, and easily radicalized people.

Outsourcing killed the manufacturing-based middle class. This led to increased class stratification. It's a vital industry.