/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>104671
How long have you been with the company?

Use your expanded responsibilities and experience to secure a better job offer with a better title. Then if you want to continue working where you are now, take that offer to your boss and make them beat it.

>>104686
Yes, but not during your internship. Give yourself a year or two, then start applying pressure and/or leave if you don't get what you want.

>>104686
Just coming up to a half year, but I'm doing work that even other coworkers with 15+ years of experience have trouble with

>>104688
I am applying around but management want to discuss this very shortly, and Idon't think I can secure a job offer in that time period

>>104689

Also, just saying, at this point now, I don't think I am easily replaceable. Some of my responsibilities were never held by anyone else, and there is no one else to get a replacement up to speed, as I am the only one with the knowledge.

>>104731
>Wanting a 75% raise after 6 months as an intern
God damn, that's the funniest thing I've heard in ages.

>>104766
>Tremble at the vast amount of experience I've gained in 6 months.
Right.

Listen, once you've been there for about 18 months and have a proven track record of consistently delivering quality work on time, then you can start negotiating a 20% or so raise.

You want to play hardball and get a serious raise, then do as >>104688 says and get a better offer that you can fall back on if your company laughs at you when you ask for you 75% raise.

>>104731
>half year experience, thinking they deserve almost twice their salary

Typical Gen Y thinking they are hot shit. You bring that to any manager saying you learned everything you need to get that position in half a year and they will laugh in your face.

>30k raise
>6 months into the job

so I take it you'll be CEO sometime in 2016?

>>104671
Where are you interning at? And I highly doubt they'll give you that much of a raise, maybe 50k at best.

>paid intern
>wants 30k raise
>marketing
>not even a year into an internship
>in this economy

>>104792
>>104798
I know that it is absurd to bring up that high of an amount, but it feels more like they lowballed me hard initially. My initial pay was based on the assumption that I were to do general bitch work, do some Excel shit and assist others with their programs. Not launching a new product on a national level on my own.

My point is if a national marketing manager is doing similar work to me, I should at least be getting paid at least in the low end of that range.

>>104847
Marketing.

>>104869
You know what, you can't read. You don't deserve shit for a raise if that's the smartass attitude you bring to the table.

>>104869
Previous interns in my position just dicked around with =average() formulas in Excel for the same pay.

>>104865
Pretty much this. You're not exactly irreplaceable and it'd be cheaper to hire two interns instead of hiring you full time at that salary.

>>104671
>intern
>making $20 an hour
Where are all the big money internships like this at?

>>104869
You asked
>Is it reasonable to try to aim for a 30k raise, given my new responsibilities?

The answer is a resounding no, it is not reasonable.

I was in a similar position a couple of years ago, a graduate accepting a new position in a company. I took the standard grad offer, worked harder and did longer hours than a low of other people earning the same or more.

18 months later in reviews I had a tonne of emails and quotes commending the quality of my work to back me up and I got a 22% raise and a 50% bonus.

Wait for your chance. If you're as good as you think you are, the company will pay to keep you on.

OP the way you move up the ladder and get raises now is to change companies. Put all that shit on your resume, make sure you have references to back it up and start applying for jobs at other companies. Dont tell the new companies your were paid 40k and ask for 70k when talking about salary.

>>104671

Yup. I do work where the average pay is $85k after two years, I was getting close and the last mufuckas wanted to tie my next raise to a project after I had just finished a huge one. I said 'Gimme now' they said 'Hold on' I said 'See ya'

Now I make bank.

Put yoru resume out there, wait until you have a recruiter, ask for more money. DO NOT tell them you've spoken to a recruiter, if they deny you a raise just get another job, hand in your resignation and tell them to get wrecked with a smile and wink and an 'I love it here but money' explanation.

Fuck 'em.

>>104671
I can't speak for this advice but OP:

People have told me that good managers look like they aren't doing anything. Most of that is because they don't want internal politics and shit from the top getting into their worker's business.

In other words, this is all appearances and you probably aren't that good.

But, you can be. So, give it time.

I have never held a management position, so I can't speak for that advice.

>>104886

Yeah what this guy said, they should tell ya to hit the bricks for being such a little shit. Kids these days.

>>104924
I think I'll correct myself.

Most likely, they aren't as incompetent as you think they are.

>>104925
Changing company is a trump card you should only ever use if you've got all you can out of your current job.

A person who changing jobs every 1-2 years is a liability and they'll miss out on a lot of rewards that committed employees get like equity in a company.

>>104917
I asked where you were interning.
Marketing isn't a company

>>104925

This is good advice. Just don't switch jobs too often.

$70k ain't shit money. Once you're a bit more comfortable (maybe around $250,000) you can stop job hopping you disloyal shit.

>>104947
Those equity offerings are scams. It's a carrot that gets dangled on a stick and upper management are the ones who benefit from it. If OP really deserves the pay he claims he does he can find another company which will give him that and stay there for a good while.

>>104956
A very large company in the food industry

You should start looking now and get the money you deserve. Fuck those guys low balling you.

Disregard the money for now. Use your performance review to argue your case for why you should get the title of someone who does the type of work you do. Also ask for an accelerated review schedule so you can have another in 6 months

Also, you're probably delusional, so actually talk with someone you trust beforehand and see if it makes more sense in person

>>104869
gain
the
experience
the
money
will
come
later
fagget

I posted >>104688 but I figured you would have been there for 2 years at least. Wait it out a bit if you can keep getting good assignments.

>>104947
The real problem with job hopping is that future employers will be reluctant to hire you. Hiring and training is expensive. If they don't think you'll last two years, they move on to the next candidate.
I've dropped candidates before because their resumes tell me that they aren't going to commit to the job and will always have one eye looking towards the "next big thing".

>>104869

If I were you I would ask for a modest raise. If you do work that other people can't do then they might fire a couple of people because they'd rather pay you for the stuff they can't do. Wait awhile. Once you've been working there for a little bit more than a year, ask for another raise.

>>104671

How did you get this job?

I went to a good university but I have no job. I don't know where to look although some other people on this board pretty much said to apply to stuff that requires experience because they don't really expect an ideal candidate or something.

I went to a good university (really good one), and know how to use Microsoft Office programs at a decent level. I majored in a social sciences major. I really don't have much going for me. Is there anyway to get my foot in the door being this unqualified?

>>105171
I applied through my university job bank

I graduated with Commerce, and I had 1 year of of financial experience at a previous internship.

Define decent level of Office. Seems like the bare minimum is being able to do Pivottables and Vlookups. If you are able to do that, put that specifically in your resume.

>>104671
Op have any books/textbook that you recommand?
I've read all seth godin and the war of art
I need more concrete textbooks.
>Finance graduate that could use some marketing knowledge

>>104947
>2014
>committing to a company
>expecting them to reward you or promote from withing

>>105353
Most of my marketing knowledge came from hands-on experience during university. We just dealt with case studies.

Fake it until you make it. I actually got my marketing intern job now more for my financial experience, as it showed I can work in a corporate environment.

>>105399
Thank you.