/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>11522546
I dont know the browser.
Why should I use it instead of a regular one with an adblocker?

>>11522546
I'm gonna product some babbys in this bitch's womb

Lmffffao
>you are not a product
>hey heres a product you should use
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>11522563
Because it also blocks trackers, has a built in TOR browser, as well as automatically upgrades to HTTPS for secure, encrypted communications when an ordinary browser would use an insecure connection.

Optionally, you can opt in to see ads, and get paid for in instead of ads being forced upon you.

They also plan to integrate a browser VPN, something I personally would love in order to get American Netflix.

>>11522608
Read your own post again

and delete it in shame

>I am not a product

>>11522608
These things are not contradictory.

>>11522625
thats good advertising

>>11522608
rational thinkers btfo

>>11522610
Do you get BAT tokens for installing brave?

>>11522610
do they have a ubuntu version

>>11522610
>wanting netflix

>>11522649
Yes they literally give you $6 in tokens to use. It's more than the monthly salary in many nations

>>11522610
Follow-up-questions:
How do they finance themselves?
Can I use it without ever having to deal with the currency?
How would you rate the everyday usability?

>>11522572
Hope you’re not a white male. She is probably liberal and hates evil white males. Her womb is for oppressed black males only!

>>11522546
How in the fuck am I gonna make money of BAT tokens,
Also how in the fuck is a new web browser worth no users valued at 250million, seems like a bit much.

>>11522680
>How do they finance themselves?

Advertisers buy ad space for the users that opt in to see ads.


>Can I use it without ever having to deal with the currency?

Yes, you can use the browser without having to think about the currency, although they do give you ~$6 free for just downloading it. (Will be returned if nothing is done with it in 1 month)


>How would you rate the everyday usability?
It's the best and fastest browser I've ever used. It is my daily driver on all my devices, including my mobile phone.

>>11522546
its decent, i do enjoy it, but i also enjoy Opera so maybe i am just a psycho.

>>11522608

>>11522610
you are not gonna get a free vpn that provides the bandwidth and the ip diversity that is neccessary to bypass the netflix vpn detection

>>11522649
>>11522678
Just installed, OP is a nigger. The $6 in free tokens you get expire in January if you don't spend them.

>>11523092
Its a paid VPN. You pay for a premium vpn with bat tokens

>>11522546
>You are not a product
>Girl literally wearing brave product with label

>>11523126
On the bright side I'll be using the free $25 to tip sites I like, so it's not too bad, but make sure to shut off the "automatic contributions" they have turned on by default. Israel must have made this cause putting their users into unknowing debt is incredibly Jewish.

Fuck off.
Just use ublock origin and any browser you want.
No need for this scam token browser.
>you are not a product
>please use this shitty chrome clone because I have a bag of shittokens and please watch ads!
Lmao. Kys

>>11523194
Lmao. Also this, ffs.

Brendan "Install The Reich" Eich.

>he thinks a funding token is going to go up because of an unrelated browser

nobody that uses brave, promising to not treat you as a product, is going to want to sell their attention out to ads for a few cents a week. nobody in the first world, the people these advertisers are targeting anyway.

>>11522546
I'm just hoping for $1.00 at some point by EOY 2019.

>You are not a product
>Viability of token depends on having users willing to watch ads
>YOU ARE NOT A PRODUCT

You are not a product.......until we want you to become a product.

>>11523291
It's your choice and you get paid directly for your attention. I guess a more accurate message would be 'you own yourself as a product'. not as catchy.

>>11523629
Except advertisers won't pay to use BAT if there's no people to see their ads. Brave fails as an advertising platform without viewers, therefore you are literally Brave's product, you just get a tiny compensation while they get billions.

>>11523659
Opt-out by default and paid on opt-in versus opt-in by default and never paid.

>>11522546
BAT is literally pleb level type of investment. Only dumb as fuck le revolution millennials buy into this ideological cancer fail.

>>11523704
>nobody opts in
>advertisers don't get value from ads through bat
>bat is worthless
They need you. You're their product. Just because you choose to be the product doesn't take away from that fact.

>>11524613
>peter thiel
>Brendan Eich
>Ben livshits
>dumb millennials

>>11522608
You are not a product
You are a consumer

>>11522610
Easier to set up for normies on mobile than FF clone + addons.

>t. Link & BAT masterrace

>>11524892
Firefox makes money by defaulting the search bar. I bet brave won't compromise their product for revenue though.
Revenue is something that comes when the space is better understood. Right now, ICO funds and premine are more than enough.
Google started with search, not ads.

>>11524927
You are not a consumer
You are a brainlet

>>11524953
The whole point of Brave is to reinvent the advertising space using BAT. The browser's functionality is entirely designed to attract users so that they have a lot of opted in users to increase their ad coverage for advertisers. The "you get paid for ads" is just bait for users to become their product. What are you going to get? Pennies? Why would anyone do that instead of just opt out and not see annoying ass ads? I actually like the idea of not being advertised to without my explicit permission, personally I think that ads are an invasion of my attention and mind. I just think the statement "you are not a product" is slightly misleading.

>>11524613
How are your stocks doing champ?

>>11524953
Brave made a shit load of money selling the ETH top.

>>11525016
>I just think the statement "you are not a product" is slightly misleading.
That's because you are missing the point entirely. You are focusing on one aspect but need to consider that with Brave your information is tracked but secure. Google builds profiles of you for advertising purposes. They use cookies and trackers and store this information. This information can be viewed by humans.
With Brave and AdGraph this can't happen anymore. Your information will still be tracked for the benefit of advertisers but now the information is permanently hidden through zero-knowledge proofs.
That's the beauty of it. Not to mention that this is what law like GDPR encourages.

>>11522546

Tbh, I was thinking about buying some but when I saw that pic it kinda turned me off from it.

>>11522546
I just downloaded brave last night. I probably will never buy a bat token but the browser itself is really cool. Basically chrome but without (((chrome))).

>>11522546
you can't even open a link in a new tab with this browser it's a piece of shit

>>11525165
I just opened a link in a new tab. Nice FUD.

Fuck I always thought reddit was the place for stupid fads and fedoras, but I honestly believe there are NPCs on here who actually buy into gimmicks and shiny stuff like the cool hip new trendy browser.

>>11525119
>>11525161
>>11525165

>>11522706
No users? They have nearly five million monthly active users, do your research mate

Vivaldi with uBlock is the best all around browser and you're lying to yourself of you disagree

>>11522546
>muh browser plugin token

>>11525084
Good, that's definitely the direction that handling user information needs to go. But you're sidestepping the issue. Just because they handle my personal information with cryptographic obfuscation doesn't mean they aren't using my profile as a target for advertisers. Doesn't matter if the advertisers don't know who I am or what I buy online. They are paying for the right to my attention specifically (Basic Attention Token). So Brave will tell advertisers that they have over 4 million opt-in daily users who shop for their kinds of products. An advertiser wouldn't pay a dime if it didn't give a return. So Brave cannot exist without users as products. The statement "you are not a product" should really be changed to "you are not an involuntary product."

I find it Ironic that 99% of biz have an interest in crypto, but they are too stupid and cringe to use a internet browser that will bring mass real world usage, adoption and legitimacy to the scene. It's like you can't whats right in front of your own fucking face. By the time you realise how good this project is it will be too late. If you don't own BAT you are clearly retarded and will never make it. Times running out wagecuck

I find it Ironic that 99% of biz have an interest in crypto, but they are too stupid and cringe to use a internet browser that will bring mass real world usage, adoption and legitimacy to the scene. It's like you can't see whats right in front of your own fucking face. By the time you realise how good this project is it will be too late. If you don't own BAT you are clearly retarded and will never make it. Times running out wagecuck

I really like the tor integration this its the future
Im screencaping the fudder to laugh at them like the ones that said eth never was going to be over 10 dollars

>>11525375
I'm never going to opt in to advertisements. I hate advertisers with a passion, they couldn't pay me to look at their bullshit even if they wanted to. So if I'm going to use Brave, then it has to just be a plain good browser, or at least better than anything else available. Yet even if I use Brave that doesn't spread adoption, because I don't add value to the advertising platform. And I'm assuming many people are like me. Therefore your only route to adoption is through dumb fucking normies who actually think watching a Nike ad is worth getting paid a quarter of a penny. What's ironic is that you think intelligent beings are going to speed up the adoption of crypto through this blatantly retarded ad scheme. Not to mention, you're already looking for a scapegoat to blame for crypto failing, but it hasn't failed yet. Time's running out wagecuck. You feel it yet?

>>11525389
It feels sooooooooooo fucking good to watch them /still/ talk shit while BATs giving me all them profits. So glad I bought when they were freaking out and telling me to kill myself. 51% post "dump" and couldn't be happier.

>>11525521
Congratulations, you're coming out higher on the ponzi scheme than the people who bought after you. That doesn't make BAT intrinsically valuable.

>>11522608

>>11525620
I legitimately use /bat/ for 90% of my browsing needs. Them sweet, sweet native features. It's an amazing product and it's directly tied to the coin. Keep trashing it though, I don't care if anyone buys or doesn't. Your tears and rage are just so damn precious and life enriching, I love every single word of it.

>>11525656
Brave != BAT you dumb ass. You didn't understand anything I said. It's a fitting "investment" for you. Tell me how the coin works then, I'd love to see you're retarded reasoning for it gaining in value.

>>11525656

>>11525684
No, I did understand what you said and it's exactly what I expected. Brave != Bat. But Brave does = BAT, that's why I said they are directly tied together. One can not exist without the other.

The value it has it's from the fact that Brave directly uses BAT to implement 2 of it's 3 main features.

>Block adds and stop tracking - not BAT
>Rewards users for add attention - BAT
>Reward creators for Brave adoption - BAT

BAT wallets and payments are literally built into the browser. So is distribution of BAT to your favorite creators (currently available). So is receiving BAT for your attention (currently not available).

The more creators sign up to be content creators in Brave the more can receive extra income in the form of BAT from people not even aware they are sending them income. The more people adopt Brave the more add power the browser had, "attention" power", thus the more attractive it looks to add distributors.

Brave is NOT separate from BAT. BAT is NOT separate from Brave. They are the same project, the same team, the same white paper, the same funds, the same subreddit, the same twitter accounts, the same /everything/.

There is indeed a chance it won't take off. That google will fight them off or that people don't mind being tracked and used as the product. There is that chance. But not if Brave gets adopts. If brave gets adopted, BAT gets adopted, because they are the same fucking thing. Even now you get BAT to distribute to your favorite content makers without you even having to do anything. You can give it to wikipedia or what ever you use most. All you have to do is... well.. be brave and browse.

I can't fucking WAIT for all the features to be out. Then you faggots will go back on your words as you have before. "Well of course it made it. It has a function, it was obvious it would make it". I can't fucking wait.

>>11525698
Blow me.

>>11525486
>Time's running out wagecuck. You feel it yet?
I'm not a wagecuck brah. I invest in good projects that allow me to live a life without cucking.

>>11525763
Fucking kek, I knew you were retarded. This is great, really.

>Block adds and stop tracking - not BAT
Correct. This is the only real reason why the browser is attractive to people. This functionality is provided by a ton of different browsers. So if Brave will be adopted, it has to be better than all the others.

>Rewards users for add attention - BAT
Pennies. Who in their right mind would opt-in to see ads for mere pennies? Again we go back to absolutely retarded people. The kind of people who are too stupid to care if Google is tracking them in the first place.

>Reward creators for Brave adoption - BAT
This has to come from users. As of right now, Brave gives you 6 dollars of BAT for free, right? So that's the way that users are unknowingly tipping content creators. Do you think that 6 dollars is going to sustain the platform? Your premise depends on users continually loading up their Brave wallets just to pay content creators, or that they'll watch enough advertisements to be able to tip content creators.

The value of the token is decided by supply and demand. Advertisers would want the token because it would provide many eyes to see their advertisements, which relies on Brave users to actually be opted in to seeing advertisements and being anonymously tracked. So that level of adoption only comes if Brave can actually provide those users, which is fucking antithetical to the premise of their browser that "you are not a product."

Content creators don't want the fucking token. They only want to get the token and then sell it to somebody else for actual money. So they're going to be selling it to... the people that want to tip them in BAT? Does that make any fucking sense to you? Or they're going to be selling the tokens to the advertisers, which again goes back to Brave needing people as products to have a useful ad platform.

Even when the features get implemented, this shit is going nowhere.

>>11522546
i actually did reinstall it today and am loving it. never using chrome again. got all my same extensions on brave plus i can earn BAT for looking at tailored ads. dream crypto browser come true and theyre not selling my data. absolutely based. glad i checked biz early this morning and saw a thread like this. BAT is going to explode because of this. give it a year to catch on - this is still an incredibly smart decision using Brave, it'll take the normies a good bit to catch on.

>>11522546
Eh, there's already a shitstorm brewing with Chromium because Google's unskippable binaries that were supposed to help the GPU acceleration apparently also spy on you and Google doesn't want to release the full source code.
Seeing that Brave is based on Chromium, I'm expecting that it's going to be super dead as soon as the news is picked by mainstream, seeing that the whole idea of this browser is that it doesn't spy on you, but it's explicitly built on an engine that does spy on you, whether you want it or not.
I'd say, sell it like it's burning your hands.

>>11525988
>Pennies. Who in their right mind would opt-in to see ads for mere pennies? Again we go back to absolutely retarded people. The kind of people who are too stupid to care if Google is tracking them in the first place.
Theres a thing called the third world idiot. Early adopters in third would country's could easily make a living in the early days just browsing the internet. You forget that shit like a bag of rice costs 7c in places like India. They could make that money in less than one hour.

>>11526042
LMAO the level of delusion, now you're unironically calling on Pajeets to be the savior of your shitcoin. I've seen it all now.

>>11526042
its about the concept of your time spent on the internet being paid for - sorta like using Presearch as your go to search engine because it pays $0.06 every 4 searches you do. It pays out 32 times a day. Brave is just an extension of this new paid crypto internet experience - no point in using any service that isnt paying you to use it. thats the new meta in the industry, sorta like TaTatu is doing netflix style services but actually paying ppl to watch their shit. same goes for Brave, only its a browser.

Integrate this line into your search engine settings in brave so u get paid in PRE (crypto) every time u search in the address bar: https://www.presearch.org/search?term=%s

Signup to presearch here pls its well worth it and translates into $60 every 4 months of lite use: https://www.presearch.org/signup?rid=633779

Don't use the internet and not get paid to do it, thats the new meta now. Start using smart services, not legacy ones that keep you the user as the primary product.

>>11526042
So Pajeets will dump the token so they can buy some fucking rice? Jesus Christ, I always had my doubts about BAT, but this sounds more and more like the biggest scam in the world

>>11526077
Fuck off pajeet.

The hilarious thing about Brave is this: You CANNOT just opt in to view rewards without also opting in to auto contribute to websites. So it's impossible to get free BAT for watching ads without also giving away free BAT to the sites you visit. LMAO

>>11526042
>>11526122
Doesn’t work that way because although the data is anonymized, the data within your browser that stays on your machine determines whether bmw or whoever wants to spend their resources targeting your demographic ie not starving third worlders

>>11526122
No because all of the rewards they get is going to be given to the sites they visit. You can't opt in to get paid for ads without also paying content creators.

You actually can, but you obviously can't withdraw at the moment b/c it would lead to a bunch of bottom feeders signing up and withdrawing from the User Growth Pool which is intended for content creators / advertising the platform.

>>11526147
You are misrepresenting the system, faggot. And you know that. Withdraws will be possible in the future release pertaining to BAT balances.

>>11525988
>Pennies
You know this how? How do you know it's pennis?

>This has to come from users
It doesn't. The add revenue gets redistributed. The users can choose to redistribute their share of the ad revenue (75%) or to cash out.

I hope you screenshot your own posts. I really do. This is delicious.

>>11526042
>Theres a thing called the third world idiot
Third worlders wouldn't make much simply because even now western adds bring more money than third world ones. Spending power being different and all.

Y'all hating for nothing. Still think you should blow me.

>>11526226
I don't think he knows that. I think he is too lazy to do proper reading so he read all the /biz/ threads he could, got out a few of the ideas, botched them together to fit his view and now his out saying how BAT is doomed to fail.

Fuck him, he clearly has no idea what in fucks name he's talking about but I will love remembering him come February.

>>11522546
>muh browser plugin token

>>11526251
you do realize that this is going to force Google to actually make their own crypto and pay users in chrome with it, right?

i doubt most people even know what a web browser is

>>11526267
Brendan made a few comments on this. It's definitely something worth considering yes. That is a /valid/ concern and that's a risk you're taking with BAT.

Google might give up on their model that has worked since the very beginning and radically change and adapt.

Will they though? Who knows. I don't put much faith in their ability anymore. Fucking pajeets and sjws.

>>11526321
i agree with you there but once you have done psych profiles on the kind of ppl google exclusively hires, they are all very pro crypto centric ppl. google launching their own crypto is just a matter of time at this point. quite literally. it'll be a good thing for overall normie adoption of crypto but will most likely kill projects like BAT and many many others.

>>11526366
You mean like these 48 executives pajeet just fired cuz "muh sexual assault"?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alphabet-harassment/googles-sundar-pichai-says-48-employees-were-fired-for-sexual-harassment-idUSKCN1MZ332

>>11526366
And time does matter. It actually is "a matter of time". Look at their social network. How long they took to get into it mattered. All of Alphabet's resources and they still had to call it quits. Why? They gave fucking hi5 and myspace and facebook too much time.

Let BAT grow for another year and they're absolutely fucked. It's probably why the coinbase listing is taking a while. Once more features come out in Brave then coinbase can list it as a serious token and then it's a free ride for us.

Honestly, anything under .70 per token is a steal.

I, 100 percent guaranteed, am a product. I will gladly look at ads or be a guinea pig for payment. Just tell me where and when.

>>11525763
>I legitimately use /bat/ for 90% of my browsing needs

I like the enthusiasm but you should have used Brave here senpai

>still based though

>>11526578
kek trust

>>11526557
Hah

>>11526544
you do have a critical point. if they wait too long BAT could potentially be unstoppable BUT, Google controls a vast platform and can leverage ways to manipulate its users into using their new crypto platform. we all know that google is predominatly evil in its business practices, so thinking they wont do this to still maintain the digital supremacy they already have, of course would be asinine.

>>11526026
This is so far out there its comical. Just enough technical jargon to fool the people who kinda of know what you're saying, but not enough for someone who actually knows what is actually going on. Furthermore its licensed* under a bunch of open source ones, so they are legally compelled to release it. And even if they didn't, I'm sure Big Dick and the team will be able to back patch it without a problem. Take your bullshit somewhere else.
*The Google-authored portion of Chromium is released under the BSD license,[20] with other parts being subject to a variety of different open-source licenses, including the MIT License, the LGPL, the Ms-PL and an MPL/GPL/LGPL tri-license.[21]

>>11526162
Why do you people feel the need to consistently lie all the time? Did Brendan fuck your wife or daughter? Its painfully clear that you can turn off site contributions.

Brendan has said on multiple occasions, that for Google to try and mimic what he is attempting, would more or less be sabotaging where a good deal of their revenue comes from - as they have established themselves as the "blast you with ads and mine your information" advertiser. They are a stock exchange traded company, and it won't happen. Although I'm sure they are on the radar now after poaching chromium.

>>11526647
The question isn't if they're willing it's if they're capable to do it. They're an organization that is turning on itself. You can't have good results when your engineers know they could be reported by any female engineer for making the wrong jokes. Any of their developers or engineers worth their salts would have grown up on the internet, especially on 4chan and if you've ever worked in an IT department or had to deal with one you know they're absolutely fucking mental and retarded. It's these people who say the wrong thing often and don't have the skills to fix or manage the blowback and it's these people that are the perfect prey to the harpies that are looking to get the evil men fired to get more diverse groups in. It's also these harpies that hire indians who can't do shit into their teams to be more diverse. A company that is divided like this, with employees fearing other employes and having to form fiefdoms to survive will /not/ be able to innovate and will systematically collapse. If even the executives, who should be defending the directors who should be defending the managers who should be defending the employees are targets then the capable employees will not be safe and they will not be able to act in time.

Google is not invincible. Google+ is proof of that. BAT is coming. Hold on to your hats mother fuckers.

>>11526777
very based and double checked for the trips of truth.

i will never doubt the downfall of google again, u sold me anon and Kek confirmed it

>777

>>11526777
Extremely fucking based trips of truth.

>>11526777
Nice trips.

Adding this, in the case of Google+ it was an attempt at another avenue for datamining/advertising. Would be big for them if it worked out, but not a hill to die on. However their advertising revenue is everything to them. All of Google's 'free' services (Youtube/Google Earth/Gmail/ect.) cost them a ton of money to operate, and the data mining they provide that becomes advertising is how they make it all back. Even if Google tries to compete with BAT, their 'pay the user' Google ads would have to be mediocre at best, so that Google can continue to both profit and not implode under it's own operating costs.

>>11526777
Google+ is literally one of hundreds of failed projects at big tech giants that fail. And millions if not billions of dollars go down the trash - but they couldn’t care less. It’s pocket money for them. G+ failing is a thing that only a small size of semi-tech savvy people were aware of.

>>11527857
well, the whole point to Google+ failing was that it meant Google could actually fail as a company at something. thats the whole point behind it, they arent invincible like some ppl think. they are so focused on being politically correct that they have forgotten the mission of their company, to actually make tech products. because of that, we have seen numerous failures on Alphabet's part in the not so distant past. as it stands now, Brave has reconfigured how internet browsers work in terms of a standard kind of protocol. because of that, everyone will adapt to the new Brave standard in their browser builds. thinking otherwise, isnt really thinking at all.

>>11522546
Lmao, here’s what’s gonna happen. Coin after coin will get added to coinbase, none of which will be your muh browser plugin token. With each new coin, BAT will drop and drop, and your shitbags will get heavier and heavier.

>>11526777
checked and fucking based as fuck you fucking based madman fuck

>>11526844
Nice dubs buddy.

Guys I'm buying $100 of BAT how rich am I gonna be

>>11522610
FF + ublock + privacy badger + https everywhere + using the actual tor browser

>>11524943
All of that is just as easy to setup on android.

Brave is a gimmick and the token is even worse than the browser. Don't you guys remember the ICO where only like 3 buyers got to buy all the tokens?

>>11528358
if it wasnt bad luck to argue with a green ID then i would totally btfo u

Yeah bruh, if the crash taught me one thing, it's that I should want the ICOs that allowed 1 million really stupid people to piss money away into ShitCoin. And not the ICO where 3 really rich people thought that an idea was worth investing in.

>>11528410
It was that they gamed the system and played miners extra to make sure their txs were mined first and bought all of the supply in the first block of the ICO.

Crazy how that's a problem for an ICO, but the 90% of ICOs that were flat out scams trying to cash in on the cryptocraze that let everybody invest are alright. Glad they let everyone get a piece of the scam.

>>11522563

Built in TOR. Better blocking of all ads, trackers etc than ublock. Integrated metamask. Still kinda glitchy on some sites but I like it. My go to choice. I'm actually skeptical about the token though, if they made it easier to donate to specific people or something, while providing an easy was to earn more as a user it might be better. Plus needs a third party extension store, there's some essential ones like Tampermonkey I just really need.

>>11522680
i use it on my phone. I have jewgle chome, firefox, firefox focus. Its the best out of those atleast.

Just about to complete falling wedge on the hourly chart, what do you guys think?

>>11528256

>$2000

>>11525988
Brainlet spotted.

You must be a prl holder. Yall are the only people that are excited for the failure of BAT. If you're not a prl holder and you're excited about the failure of BAT than you're an even bigger retard than I initially took you for or your a google shareholder.

I dont have time to answer all your retarded points, but your ads for pennies argument clearly shows you have absolutely no fucking concept of how advertising works. CPM ads run around $4 for 1000 impressions. Thats pennies on the dollar. CPC rates can run as high as $160 per single click.

BAT is a cpc model. Advertisers will gladly spend $80 for a click if it means you will come to their dealership, test drive a car, and then buy a $30,000 car. The $80 was trivial to them.

stop arguing with the naysayers, the project will speak for itself in years to come

how you make money with this???

Why are retarded Google-cuckolds so triggered by BAT?

It's also weird that there are so many crypto evangelists that try so hard to shit on any cryptocurrencies being used in an actual legitimate, useful way. "Oh your cryptocurrency is being used to solve a problem? Fuck you because I don't own any!" Absolute fucking autists in this thread.

>>11529909
> $4 for 1000 impressions
enjoy getting paid $.004 per ad you view. oh wait, BAT gets 25%, enjoy the $.003

>>11530134
The absolute state

Reading comprehension not even once.

>>11526777
kek confirms the truth has been spoken. bless you sir for being a beacon of truth and sensibility in a world of irrational emotional nonsense.

>>11525486
any system that pays me crypto to watch ads is going to lose value to the dollar.

>>11530165
You can't refute that.

>>11530134
Also this will be abused by thousands of pajeets

>>11530441
I just said it runs on a cpc model not a cpm model you fucking mongoloid.

The only thing worse than a retard is a retard with an agenda. 14 posts by your id. Be gone you fucking prl nigger.

>>11530441
Where did you go you fucking faggot? You have been pretty active in this thread, and now your going to slink away now that you're smooth brain has been exposed. Pathetic. I will probably see you in another BAT thread with a different faggot id.

>>11530441
>You can't refute that.

Imagine being this retarded.

>>11531381
Further proof that biz doesnt deserve BAT. biz doesnt deserve to make it. Some will get lucky being in some obscure shitcoin like antshares, but most will be bag holders.

>>11530503
Are you fucking retarded? It's the same exact thing you fucking parasitic fuck. Cpm is just the ratio of cost of advertising against clicks, versus against displays. It's the same fucking thing just viewed from a different metric. Holy fuck you're retarded.

If you pay $20 for 1000 views, that's paying 2 cents per view. If out of those 1000 views 10 people clicked the ad, then you paid 2 dollars per click. It's just a different way of measuring the same exact thing.

What's hilarious is that you think advertisers will ONLY pay for clicks. So who the fuck pays the users on Brave whp don't click the ad? How does their model work in that regard? It defies all of your logic you imbecile.

>>11531460
Meant to say
>Cpc is just the ratio of cost of advertising against clicks

>>11523238

So instead you like your data being gathered and sold to jews without getting shit for your troubles. I'd much rather get paid for that.

>>11525351

The right word you're searching for is a consumer. The users are consumers, not products.

>>11525620
>Congratulations, you're coming out higher on the ponzi scheme than the people who bought after you. That doesn't make BAT intrinsically valuable.

>Using this argument when talking about Crypto

>Actually, using this argument when talking about anything in the monetary system.

Newsflash! The whole system is a ponzi scheme.

>>11531526
No, I used the right word. Users are Brave's product: they cannot sell an advertising platform without "consumers" on it.

>>11531551
If your expectations are to profit from the ponzi scheme aspect of it then you're looking at it realistically. However, in that case, why BAT? There's nothing particularly special about it compared to any arbitrary low marketcap shitcoin that could pump in a bullrun, which is the only scenario when you make insane profits.

But we were talking about the utility of the BAT token according to its intended functions, not just about how to make money on shitcoins. So really it's irrelevant anyway.

>>11531460
top fucking kek

Am I supposed to be your marketing teacher now? Its obvious you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Now your conflating cpc/cpm ad models with conversion rates.

CPC ads and CPM ads are completely different in how, and what platforms they are delivered on. Its likely that brave is using a hybrid model or even a completely new model.

>Runs cpm ad for spinal sugery on google display network and wonders why hes blown through $60k and hasnt made any leads.

>>11531590
Please just admit you're a prl nigger and leave this thread. You're only embarrassing yourself more and more.

>>11531590
I shouldnt have to explain how the token supply is fixed, and the liquid amount becomes smaller as more people join the network, and the price increases as advertisers have to pay for the illiquid asset that their ad campaigns are being settled in. How fucking stupid you are is laughable, and you're still in here arguing.

Ok goyim I just downloaded that brave browser for ios and tested it for an bit.
Overall better than safari, worse than chrome, adblock on mobile is pretty good desu, UI needs polishing, it's shittier than chrome.

>>11531630
So Brave is going to run ads, and only charge advertisers per click using the cpc model, but also at the same time every user must be paid for viewing the ad. So where does the money come from?

Cpc models work in Google and Facebook because they can optimize clicks per views using targeted demographics and adjust their ad rotations based on the results, because they aren't beholden to paying users for their views.

How will Brave emulate that if someone has to pay for every view?

>>11531655
You're missing the point. Advertisers aren't going to flock to a platform that doesn't give any returns. The crowd Brave is attracting are anti ads as it is, so the only people who will opt in to ads will want to do it for money. No one is going to voluntarily watch ads that will actually buy shit they see. It's a fucking stupid idea

>>11531788
The market Brave targets is money makers, early tech investors. Theyll watch enough ads over the course of a year to make it a worthwhile venture. Then its up to the normies.

>>11525016
Didn’t Brave exist way before BAT? I thought I heard people recommending this browser a long time ago.

>>11526074
>LMAO the level of delusion, now you're unironically calling on Pajeets to be the savior of your shitcoin. I've seen it all now.

You do know the majority of Earths population lives in the third world? 1 dollar from billion pajeets is still a billion dollars

>>11531788
You keep calling it a stupid fucking idea, yet you're a fucking nobody who has shit tier reading comprehension, so i would take whatever you say with a grain of salt.

Per above, your reading comprehension is literally worse than Floyd Maywhethers and he cant even read. Floyd can comprehend what has been said in a sentence. Hes also a nigger. Anyways I said it would likely be a hybrid model or a new model. They could use a combination of cpm + cpc or cpm +cpc + cpa. It could just be a base fee depending on the type of category and competition. They have had 3 years to figure it out. 3 years that the competition will be behind. I think they have a pretty good handle on it.

Now to your other point. Who said the brave crowd is anti ads? Are you saying that because it has a built in adblocker? That doesnt mean someone is anti ad.

You are making a whole bunch of assumptions about ads. I dont blame you though because you're a fucking retard and this is also not your area of expertise

https://www.vieodesign.com/blog/new-data-why-people-hate-ads

Google and Facebook also dont rotate ads based off results either, results are the effect of the ad relevance. The google search network prioritizes money over everything. You can get the number one position in paid search results if you pay enough. Not a good use of money but you can. They also factor in ad copy,landing page copy, and a few other things.

CPC models work more so in google than facebook because the user has more intent than they do on facebook.

The ad all comes down to relevance though in the end. The more relevant the ad, the higher the conversion rates. More relevancy can equal less churn. Brave has a lot of data it can go off of when displaying an ad. It also does so in less frequency. When you have 1000's of people competing for your attention a day through ads and you block them all out and only let 5-6 through, who do you think is going to get the attention?

>>11525486
>I don't add value

Nigger, you spent 19 posts talking up a storm consisting of bullshit, and outright lies when you got it right with that one comment from the start..

>>11531554
>No, I used the right word. Users are Brave's product: they cannot sell an advertising platform without "consumers" on it.

No, the platform is the product itself. Everyone on top of it are consumers you brainlet.

Paying for viewing internet ads was already done 20 years ago. It doesn't work.

>>11532422
>20 years ago
>560mb hard drive
>1kb/sec download speed
>Ad companies still believe in print and radio


>20 years ago
>20 years ago

>>11532422

>Paying for viewing internet ads was already done 20 years ago. It doesn't work.
>20 years ago

pfffft hahahahahahhah HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH

You, sir, are an absolute brainlet.

>>11522610
Help me out BATbros to understand this. I could get paid bat to watch ads? Would it be like I'm browsing a site and ads on sides would deposit bat into my wallet?

>>11532469
These sites are still active and are still a niche for idiots.

>>11532505
are you talking about things like perktv? Gee i wonder why they dont work? It probably has nothing to do with being in a silohed website, and the quality of the ads and advertisers.

Please just stop, you're only embarrassing yourself.

>>11532498
It would happen after you visit a string of websites. You look at a toyota video on youtube, then you read a toyota review, then you check craigslist for used toyotas, then a dealership, then another review and then you end up getting an ad is a self expiring push notification for a test drive at a local toyota dealership.

I havent seen one functioning live, but this is how its been described. Machine learning matches an ad based of browser data at a certain point in your browsing session.

>>11532553
Ah right, Brave is different cause it's a shitcoin

>>11532616
>20 years ago

>>11523659
It's 70% to the user dipshit

>>11532470
Nope the guy is right, there was a whole bunch of companies paying you to have pop-up windows with ads going...they have all failed miserably...

>>11532661
>Nope the guy is right, there was a whole bunch of companies paying you to have pop-up windows with ads going...they have all failed miserably...

Way to miss the point. Saying this was done 20 years ago and failed commercially is like saying building aeroplanes 1000 years ago and selling them commercially failed.

>>11532661
twenty years ago micropayments didn't work either. now we have patreon and crypto
>>11532729

>>11524954
Tip jej

>>11532594
So I have to click ads or like when I go to YouTube the usual ads that pop up? Instead of skipping I get paid a few cents?

>>11532729

But it’s being done now and is still failing to get any traction. If BAT is ever worth more than a few cents, then it becomes prohibitively expensive for advertisers to even use it.

>>11533108
>BAT can only operate in whole numbers

>>11533108
The absolute state if /biz/

Time will tell guys. Hang onto your shitcoins. I think this is a genius kind of people applying a complex idea without looking at the big picture. Missing the forest for the trees.