/biz/ - Business & Finance

Can or will BAT be used outside of Brave?

>>13119337
These two are going to ignite the next bullrun. One by having the most front end adoption and public awareness. One by having the most backend use as a universal protocol.

>>13119392
Yep. That's one of their goals.

>>13119408
whose the other (one being bat)? Is it link?

>>13119444

> checked trips
> Eich'd and BATpilled

>>13119464
You got it. Try not to say [redacted] by name though.
>>13119392
Yes, it's a regular ERC20 so could be used universally in dapps and already is tradable outside of Brave on exchanges.

Theres only 1.5B tokens. That leaves less than 15 tokens per person if 100m people use BAT. Theres already nearly 7m users and an unannounced 100m adblocking user partner.

Secure your bag before its too late.

>>13119665

Imagine the war chest Brave is going to have to propel this thing to the fucking stratosphere. It gonna be fucking biblical what's happens to this token.

> jacked to the fucking tits

Inverted hammer candlestick on the 2h and 4h
The trend reversal is confirmed.
To the moon.

>>13119765

> BAT take my energy

Seriously though this is literally the best project in crypto right now and no one can deny that.

> PIECE

>>13119743
Everyone is talking about loose BMW partnerships or Unity partnerships while the third browser war and web3.0 are taking root.

>the absolute state

>>13119819

There's a couple more on the table. There's a lot of behind the scene's going on here on the bizdev side. There's going to be a lot of big announcements in 2019.

And as far as the browser war is concerned Brave could stop innovating today and they'd still be better than FF and Chrome when it comes to privacy. Plus the functionality is on parity with those two as well. The more people learn about how bad Google abused them the more they're going to flee from any product they have. And that's just legit boomers. I'm getting a lot of my peers to make the switch already.

> muh Metcalfe's law

>>13119904

fuck wrong one

>>13119904
Theres just too many catalysts for BAT. All the "mycoiners" just need to dump their bags already and get behind BAT because their coins are likely going absolutely nowhere

>>13119337

Loving BAT Ads so far. I've only made like 2 BAT over the course of the week but the ads I've seen have been really interesting to me and one even go me to sign up.

I see a lot of Pajeets complaining on the BATProject subplebbit about "WE AREN'T GETTING PAID ENOUGH", which makes me fucking cringe, but I see the bigger picture. First of all,

1) the fact that it's possible to make crypto/money off of simply allowing a few ads / per hour is insanely cool and novel. I'm fucking psyched about that.
2) You have to imagine BAT will gain in price over time, thus the amount of money made off of toggling BAT Ads on will increase over the year.
3) The more advertisers and advertising campaigns, the better the BAT model, and the more possible ads to be shown. This will only strengthen the model and likely increase the amount of BAT awarded per click.

All in all the BAT Ads on the Dev browser are nowhere near perfect but I'm impressed with them. Mostly impressed by how cool the whole idea is.

>>13119337
ive got 6500 bat and 10 eth. should i go all in bat or keep it like this?

>>13120029
You probably can't go wrong either way. Personally I'm trying to accumulate as much BAT as possible.

>>13119992

That happening is almost a certainty. Lil 'ol BAT is going to be the one that flips the market.

You have some pretty big names starting to catch on from all domains and they all absolutely love the concept of a privacy based browser.

>>13120019
The team handles it fairly though. And I always remember that I'm a beta tester for the platform right now which I'm absolutely ok with. It pretty cool being able to interact with someone like Brendan Eich through multiple channels. And you always get a serious answer whether you're trolling or not. He's been a Silicon Valley powerhouse for the better part of 30 years and is a mathematician and computer scientist at heart. Plus he's got some pretty good business acumen obviously.

>holding this PIECE OF SHIT
>ever

Grow up.

>>13120029
Just consider that BAT can move off the ETH blockchain at any time. If it were me I'd be all in on BAT. This is it. And I'm not even ashamed to shill it because you're going to be taken care of by Q! 2020. I'm personally holding my bags until 2025. But I'll still spend to add volume to the economy as its imperative that it works or else Brave goes under.

https://basicattentiontoken.org/token-economics-considering-token-velocity/

Seriously though all the signs are there. This is going to be fucking wild.

>>13120103
>2025
>BAT #1 cmc because it's the only useful token invented ever in crypto history combined with the least shitty mainstream browser in recent history
>thots, roasties, zoomers, ecelebs universally use and like BAT
>300 scam shittokens emulating BAT format scattered all over cmc
>they talk in awe about people who "invested" in Brave in 2018.

>>13120135

Now that's a pasta I can get behind. I was there for bitcoin at the beginning and I'll be there for Brave....


> you know what to do

>the year is 2022
>no one uses Chrome anymore
>Brave is as widespread as Javascript and more popular than Firefox ever was
>every single news corporation uses paywalls to collect BAT from readers
>Google actually supports BAT because they collect a percentage of BAT from every contribution to a YouTube channel
>the NFL and NBA stream games online which can only be accessed after paying your game fee in BAT
>reddit uses BAT to monetize upvotes and downvotes, like Steem but better and actually mainstream
>online games use BAT for micropayments
>Netflix charges BAT/hour of viewership
>Brendan Eich's homerun project actually saves the internet from regressing into a catastrophic implosion
>feels good man

>>13120019
The team has stated that the low payments are just due to ads still being in the dev stage. Even so, getting paid 0.15 BAT per ad would dry up the supply in a short amount of time once you have a few 100k people using ads.

>>13120135

>tfw BAT goes full-on Brendan Fraser and completely unJUSTs itself

>>13120041
yeah it just sucks because eth value is down but bat is looking so incredibly solid, market dips and bat barely feels it

>>13120103
yeah this is looking like a huge shift in crypto space. working project and millions of people are starting to use it. really feels huge right now

>>13120198
Some dude already got 10 BAT and only used it for a week. Imagine getting paid 10k because you tried out the dev version of Brave for a little.

> yes this thing will unironically hit 1k


>>13120198
Based BAT OC.

> thank you anon

>>13120195

Great gif btw.

Jeez the longer I stay a [redacted] marine the more I feel like this whole thing is an elaborate psychological experiment being conducted by some secret agency designed to slowly turn us into schizophrenics and record how long it takes for each one of us to snap

>>13119337
>muh browser plugin token
Fucking idiot

>>13120652

Just dump it dude. Oracle are a decade away, potentially even longer. Don't succumb to the sunken cost fallacy.

Sergey is going on vacations with ICO money and giving presentations to empty rooms to keep the charade going as long as possible. They've done close to no real work on this project and haven't attempted to hire anyone who's even remotely worth a shit. They just feed stinkers enough crumbs to convince them to keep putting their paychecks into a white paper. And the whale's on here just swing trade to take small profits to live off of. Once the music stops they'll still dump at a profit all while telling biz to buy the dip. Just savage tbqh senpai.

You don't need that in your life anymore. Just walk away. Trust me, the BAT gains will offset any losses you had.

BAT ads aren't even here yet. Just wait until they get released. Everyone will want to download brave to get paid watching a few ads. this shit is about to moon. finite supply too so that's built in value right there.

We prime for a breakout?

>>13119904
>And as far as the browser war is concerned Brave could stop innovating today and they'd still be better than FF and Chrome when it comes to privacy.
Blatantly false. You're either a Brave shill, or you're a tech illiterate easily seduced by buzzwords. Perhaps it's both. But let me inform you : Brave and Privacy cannot be compatible.

>https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html
>On it's website, Brave claims that"Brave fights malware and prevents tracking, keeping your information safe and secure. It’s our top priority." Yet despite this claim, Brave actuallydisablesits tracking protections for Facebook and Twitter's spyware scripts that allow them to track people across the web.Brave's spyware protections, and any claims that it makes to work in the interests of it's users,cannot be taken seriously.Brave is actively workingagainst its userswhile lying to them about supposed privacy protections that it offers.

>>13121531

Yeah that's not true and has been disproven by Eich himself. Brave whitelisted some Facebook tracking device in order for people to access Facebook at all.

The fact of the matter is, a large portion of the internet breaks if you don't allow them to track you. So you can either use FB and whitelist that tracker, or you can't use FB at all. If you couldn't use FB on Brave at all people would complain and not use the browser.

You're a fucking retard by the way.

>>13121545
>The fact of the matter is, a large portion of the internet breaks if you don't allow them to track you.
The absolute state

>>13120226
Why not put your ETH into a CDP and then buy BAT with the DAI?

I have this feeling that the BAT partnership with the 100m adblocking user website might just start the next bull run.

>>13121865

BAT is top 25 on CMC and is 4% in the green while everything else is red. And no this isn't some pump and dump. Thrusters are primed and main engines are fueled. What do you think the burgers will do when they see BAT as their savior this morning hmmm?

>>13119337

Holding steady and burgers are awake. Very bullish.

>>13121865
>>13122502
Just wait until 4+ Million of Brave's Android users who have never once heard of BAT get a fun little BAT icon on their screen & a grant to start tipping people.

>>13123808
Never mind them cunts. Firefox will be integrating BAT in a future update. Eich has said he is pushing it to further adoption. That's 250m users.

>250,000,000

>>13122502
I dumped all my bat fuck it

>>13124951

Do what you gotta do man. I understand.

Someone posted this on the BAT project plebbit page.


>Shares of Criteo SA CRTO, -13.58% are down 3.5% in premarket trading Tuesday after analysts at KeyBanc Capital Markets and SunTrust Robinson Humphrey cut their ratings on the stock, citing a report from AdWeek that suggested Alphabet Inc.'s GOOGL, -0.23% GOOG, -0.16% Google might be considering changes to the targeting policies around its browser. "Incentives and anti-trust issues make a full [Intelligent Tracking Prevention]-like solution in Chrome very unlikely, in our view," wrote KeyBanc's Andy Hargreaves, referring to an Apple Inc. AAPL, +1.39% program that works similarly. "However, we will not be able to disprove the bear case until Google provides more clarity on its plans, which is likely to create an overhang on CRTO that we do not expect to ease in the near term."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/criteo-stock-slips-again-after-keybanc-suntrust-downgrades-2019-03-26?mod=mw_quote_news

>>13124992

This is unironically extremely bullish for Brave. I wonder how Google will respond.

>>13124992
You have to go back
Fag

>>13119337
> Doing what [redacted] couldn't....
Make us money during the bear market?

>>13124992

When you're entire business model is built around scraping data from people what happens when you can't do that anymore?

> google probably

we just passed WAVES niggers

Vechain and Zcash next?

Pretty much one of like three cryptos that hasn't completely tanked and continues to move up since the end of the hype fiesta, and people will still try and dump on it lmao.

>>13125229
They can try and dump but the adoption is real and accelerating. This level of normie adoption is uncharted waters for crypto; anything can happen.

>>13119337
Alright, I looked into BAT. I dont get it. I mean, I understand what they are doing, I just dont see what problem they are solving. Aside from the emphasis on end user privacy(which the vast majority of people either don’t realize, or dont care about), this seems like any other Google ad services clone. It just has way less market data and requires a special browser that nobody will use outside of those who have stake in BAT.
>but muh better ad accuracy
I find that ads are already creepily accurate. I do not impulse buy or subscribe to anything as a rule, so I am a pretty hard target. Yet, I frequently(multiple times daily) see ads for shit that I was just talking about earlier, things that I have never searched before.

So /biz/, why does this coin have such a following here? As far as I can tell its only exciting to autists who dont have jobs because they can make a pittance of shitcoin by whoreing out their attention for hours on end without having to do any real work.

Batgrowth.com

I never go all in on anything, but if I was going to BAT would be my pick for a medium-high cap to camp on and beat eth/btc.

>>13125401
>>but muh better ad accuracy
>I find that ads are already creepily accurate.

Hmm. You don't get it. I'm not really going to explain it to you because you seem like the know-it-all type and I don't give a shit if you believe in the project or not. But let's be clear here: you simply do not have a proper grasp of the project.

I'll just throw out some bullet points

1) privacy
2) new advertising model
3) crypto infused, accessible wallet within browser
4) advertising incentive
5) anti fraud
6) reward token used for online economics (i.e. seamless subscriptions, micropayments for articles etc.)

I could go on and on but fuck it. BAT has huge potential and that's a fact, so DYOR and try to see the bigger picture

>>13125401
Brave uses less battery power and is faster than chrome on mobile due to not loading ads. The difference is significant imo. I was using brave before I gave a shit about bat.

1click tipping is zoomer bait and I think it will work since they are eceleb obsessed and hate subscriptions. Nobody wants a 2nd service for that type of shit and will use slmething built in. Kids and poors will watch ads for dosh. Bored normies will too.

My excitement level for crypto is low this year but BAT has a lot going for it compared to almost everything else in the top 100, that us easy for normals and roasties to underdtand.

I could get used to seeing this

>>13125458
You didnt tell me anything i wasnt already aware of.

>>13125471
These are valid points but my concerns are.
>nobody outside of the crypto community has heard of brave
That can change I am aware but
>What is to stop chinks and pajeets from setting up click farms with bots who give shit data, destroy the functionality of ad targeting and devalue the coin?
There have been services that have done this model before(not with crypto but still) and this is what happens every time. Pajeets farm the shit out of it, because its economically viable in shit economies. The value of watching ads drops to like $0.02USD per hour of ad watching, and nobody in developed countries gives a fuck as a result. Amazon’s mechanical turk program dropped in payouts to practically zero for this same reason, and that was for actually performing a task. What do you think will happen when all they have to do is run several instances of a bot that feigns attention on hundreds of computers?

>>13125642
>You didnt tell me anything i wasnt already aware of.

There would be too much to explain to you, brainlet. I'm not going to bother. Your first statement of

>but muh better ad accuracy

Is so cringeworthy and wrong that you're clearly at square 1.

>>13125695
Ad hominem makes a really persuasive argument. I guess im all in.

>>13125916
What part of "I don't give a shit about you" do you not understand?

Why would I care if some pajeet thinks Brave is a good idea or not? Thanks for bumping the thread though my good bitch.

>>13126052
You are clearly emotionally attached to this investment. Maybe you will get lucky, but thats not a good way to operate. Good luck.

>>13125642
targeted ads by country are a thing btw

>>13126301
It doesnt matter if targeted ads limited by country if the currency is on a global exchange. The value of the currency is all I care about.

>>13126098
>Has performed great in bullrun
>Has userbase in the millions
>Peter Thiel is invested
>CEO has done more for web development than even Google
>Anon is emotionally attached
What does your shit coin have going for it?

>>13126320
I own real estate. Im looking forward to accumulating more in the upcoming crash, provided it doesnt throw us all into a mad max style apocalypse. I was looking into other depression proof investments so I am researching crypto options. I have yet to see a persuasive argument for pretty much any of them. I will probably just buy gold bullion, or ETFs.

>>13126365
Jews collect autographs for some reason. I was thinking about buying some because every kike I know has a huge collection of autos. Most of them have old historical document collections as well. Probably a safe hedge.

>>13126395
Strange. Seems more like a hobby collection to me but it could turn a profit I suppose. I have wanted to get into collecting art but that requires “fuck you” money. Im not there yet.

>>13126365
Crypto isn't depression proof at all, in fact neither is gold, just check the gold price in 2008 It crashed along with the stock market. Gold and crypto are only valuable when people are speculating on long term heavy inflation following a crash.

This is it frens, I'm feeling it.

>>13126825

>>13126601
I dont think you fully grasp the extent of this next crash.

Imagine following crypto for all of 2018 and maybe earlier and not realizing that BAT is the only cryptocurrency that matters. Not BTC, not ETH, not LINK, not your trendy vapor ware white paper project, just BAT. The only one that is easy to use and has actual utility. The truth can only be covered up with noise for so long.

>>13126913

Did you try to sage this thread?

> nah senpai

>>13127180
bruv i'd never

>>13127024
It really is. Retail and institutional interest is completely dried up. All the new entrants wont be able to justify a marketcap of a vaporware project valued in the hundreds of millions to billions with a userbase of a couple hundred beta testers. BAT has widespread appeal across the entire board and is extremely undervalued compared to other crypto shitcoins.

>>13126601

The gold/silver paper market is the only reason PM's went parabolic in the first place. Maybe if people stopped reading so much doom porn on zerohedge they would realize that Schiff, Maloney, Kyosaki and all the rest of them are just shilling metals so you'll buy them from their exchanges. Its literally Binance for actual boomers. Also this "global recession" is a nothing burger. Sure we'll see a pull-back but its nothing that hasn't happened before. The system is going to keep chugging along for the next hundred years. They always find a way.

>>13127225

In a year most on here will be lucky enough if they can scrape enough cash together to buy 1 BAT.

> thinking it'll go above $1
> muh browser plugin token

>>13127243
Good post i agree.

>>13119337
if you're not selling this shit now you're probably [retarded]

>>13127024
>>13127225

/biz/ will catch on eventually. You can only ignore results for so long.

>>13127243
>tfw its going to be so much worse than 2008

>>13127734
Most crypto retards will either trade the fluctuations or barely dip their toes in with a couple hundred dollars.

Crypto is dead. The only way to make it now is to put everything all in on BAT

>t. 450k BAT

>>13128781

Ya I'm thinking you're gonna make it.

>>13128781
>tfw 71.5k BATlet

I feel so inadequate

BAT has potential but you are dumb as fuck if you go all in. 1 stumble and you are done.

>>13129222
I'm not all in myself, but this is one of the few projects worth even considering going all in. Eich's reputation speaks for itself.

>>13129222

Not if I unironically hold until I hit my target. (after I take profits of course)

>>13129193

5k here, every holder is still early. I'm excited because the token will have actually utility. I have an idea for a niche service I think I can start. I think BAT could be a big help once user ad campaigns come online.

>>13123808
>>13124924
dear lord. imagine when weebs can tip all the douches they watch on youtube and twitch. bat's gonna be easily $5 per token.
>>13126098
i was emotionally attached to iota when i bought it at 65 cents in september 2017. then it went to $4
>>13129193
13.5k BATlet. i long for even 71.5k. but sheeeit

>>13129559

Should hit 3k when its all said and done. Didn't hear it from me though.

>>13130080
before 2025?

>>13130148

Most likely, but it won't be parabolic like bitcoin as that would kill the ecosystem. But it will be around that level before 2025 most likely. I don't see it going higher than 5k though. Which is a nice round number and on parity with other financial instruments out there, and don't forget that human attention is the ultimate commodity because we can never buy our time back. Welcome to the future mother fuckers.

> BAT ETF's...

5k per BAT? Wtf are you smoking man. There are over a billion BAT out there. Im pretty much all in on BAT but that's not realistic at all.

>>13130365

Chome has something like 2 billion users. If Brave captured even a minuscule percentage of that, assume 100 mil, and divide it by the total number of BAT tokens ever created which is 1.5 bil (not accounting for UGP). That works out to 15 tokens per person. And that's before considering:

> BATs UGP war chest which will be worth billions so they can keep the token economy going for a long time
> advertisers buying for campaigns
> wallets acting as temporary token sinks because they can only be redeemed for fiat once a month

and that's the short list. All the answers to your questions are in here anon:

https://basicattentiontoken.org/token-economics-considering-token-velocity/

> what are you smoking
> wedding cake

>>13130454
$5k per BAT is like a $75 Trillion MC
Unless you mean sats?
I share your enthusiasm but you need to explain

>>13130365
same, i don't see 5k at any time. A $20 BAT is dreaming pretty high, but it's still SOMEWHAT reasonable. 5K, I don't see how that's possible.

>>13130473
7.5 trillion marketcap, but yes still unrealistic. I do think 1k could be possible (Ripple had 1/3 of that at it's highs) but only when mass adoption sets in.

>>13130473

Market cap is a completely useless metric when it comes to crypto. This isn't a security in a company so it shouldn't be valued like one. This is a completely new asset class.

But its still partly valid and it is a big number so its a solid point. But consider the fact that the global derivatives market is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.4 quadrillion and if you take the ratio of 75 trillion mcap to that then that's about 4.5% of that market. So that's a completely reasonable number for a brand new economy. Which is exactly what Brave is going to be.

Soi's are gonna eat this shit up.

Hell I'd take a $1 BAT bros... some day

>>13130526
>>13130527
Considering that the total digital advertising industry is worth ~$400bn I doubt that BAT will hit those dizzying heights.
A target of $30 in 5 years is possible.

>>13130659
400 billion with current methods of advertising. imagine advertising where people want to watch your ads. you would capture so much more attention if people want to watch your shit, therefore would get more profit

>>13124980
huge believer in the project it just wasn't doing it for me trading wise

>>13130659
Haha ya that's way more realistic. Mine is the upper bound.

>>13127024
It's funny, I read the exact same post about 20 other shitcoins these last two months. In fact, I remember seeing those same "qualities" attributed to FTM. What exactly is your endgame here? Impress young people in order to scam them?

>>13130808
>up 67% for the month
>just not doing it for you

okay (:

Is BAT now a leading indicator? That's now been the n-th time this shit's the only green coin in an ocean of red and then one day later the whole market pumps.

>>13132350

What does you're heart tell you anon?


>>13133474
Give it another 2 months and it will be.

I'm a poor af student but I got $200 in this. I'm feeling it lads.

>>13133979
Shit dude it'd have to do a 100x just to be able to pay a year of your tuition. FWIW I think it's a safe 5x from this but what happens from that point, and make no mistake that could mean a total wipe (total Brave deplatforming on major hardware seems like it could be a possibility but I don't know), is anyone's guess.

>>13134724

Imagine if the next iPhone was shipped with Brave because Apple see's the anti trust lawsuits coming down the pipe. That would be fucking wild.

>>13119337
PIECE

>>13135081

This is more likely than people think. A serious shake up is happening.

>>13135081
I don't think apple is going to ship a phone with a chromium browser.

>>13127913
good. i want to watch it all burn. i'm sick of this clown world.

ITT : DELUSIONAL POORFAGS

>>13135830
Weak FUD
Thread has been up for nearly 3 days now. If you think there aren't gainz to be had then more fool you.
Its going to hit .62 in the next few days.

>>13135642

I know. But stranger things have happened.

https://www.engadget.com/2014/05/20/what-ever-became-of-microsofts-150-million-investment-in-apple/

>>13135830
Did you forget you were on biz? Most of us are poor and so are you. Feel free to shill your preferred shit coin so we can make fun of you.

>>13136497
Ya I'm actually surprised too. Biz really is dead.

YouTubers and Twitch normies haven't started shilling it yet. That's when the real fun happens.

As soon as they realize the money they can make for referring people to the browser ($5.00 a pop) and the BAT they can earn from others viewing ads this shit is going to explode. Brave will add the ability to buy BAT through the browser with credit/debit and there will no longer be a need for Patreon.

So long as Brendan doesn't start removing people from the system I.E Patreon style, (and he won't he's based) this is the future of the web.

The biggest set back is users, and that shit's going parabolic. Normies are sick of being tracked. Old women find the ads Facebook gives them creepy and can tell it's listening/tracking.

The ads its given me so far are interesting to me. App creators will have incentive to add BAT as they can receive a portion of ad profits. Dapp is public.

It's fucking genius. /Biz doesn't deserve BAT.

>>13136998
>So long as Brendan doesn't start removing people from the system I.E Patreon style

Ya he definitely won't. I don't think he would do to people what was done to him. His resignation letter from Mozilla was pretty raw and you could tell he felt like a failure. Or maybe not, I'm not speaking for him, but either way that was blown way out of proportion.

>>13136998
>YouTubers and Twitch normies haven't started shilling it yet.

Absolutely. I've always thought that for the YouTube/content creator shilling to TRULY take off, BAT will need to get some serious media hype behind it. In my view, that hype needs to be in the form of BAT having some sort of massive pump in price. A big price pump will give users much more of an incentive to donate the BAT they earn (from ads and/or UGP grants) and will give content creators a reason to shill harder.

>YouTuber received 20 BAT from a user
>all of a sudden that's worth $20
>there's a big chance he/she is going to want to shill the FUCK out of BAT after realizing the $$$ to be made

>>13136998
>Old women find the ads Facebook gives them creepy and can tell it's listening/tracking.

The Fox News shilling hasn't even begun. They have their own personal reasons to hate google. Ironically so do the left-leaning stations. This isn't just a new platform, its a technical revolt by consumers.

https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1103737487036465152

>>13137095
>>13137111
>>13137124
/Biz is starting to get it. I'm so proud.

>>13137111

> checked and comfypilled

Well said anon. Not to mention the inevitable token economy that's going to be created because of Brave. How can someone not be bullish on this?

>>13137133

> dubs of truth

Thank you based anon. We're all gonna make it.

>>13120019
BAT ads aren't even up yet, are they? Whenever I click the icon, it says "ads coming soon"

>>13137287

They're being tested in the dev (and nightly?) version(s).