/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>13677725
Totally not money laundering

>>13677725
>famous artists work sells for tens of millions so these virtual bits of nothing should be worth more

>>13677725
could it be possible these 91 millions changed hands for a different hidden reason?

>>13677736
It Needed to be Said™

>>13677741

>famous artists work

I am sure some kids in pre-school could do an equally good job making a clunky looking rabbit with play-dough. just goes to show things have value that we give them. at least Bitcoin has utility and huge and growing network effect

>>13677741
The "bits" represent actual work due to several factors, whereas fiat is free floating and the printer keeps acting reckless. Art is also an asset, just like blockchain. Too time consuming to explain. GET IN NOW.

>>13677725

>>13677791
no one cares, bitcoin is inherently worthless

That person didn’t buy a rabbit. Instead, they bought a membership into a club. A club of people powerful enough to buy a $9 million rabbit.

>>13677725
It's called money laundering m8

>>13677815
Why do you think I think bitcorn is worthy, idiot? I'm interested in technology like the Ethereum platform. And don't say, " nobody cares, I'm on the internet and shit". I was responding to your dumb rant. If you shit up the board, expect an equal rant. Now fuck off.

>>13677912
it wasn’t a dumb rant you fucking brainlet and bitcoin IS inherently worthless and a ponzi scheme. some artists work “selling” for millions is irrelevant to that fact.

>>13677927
yikes the next few years will be rough for you

>>13677744
but it was a public auction. like what if a cartel wants to move 90 mill but some rich faggot outbids them at 100mil

>>13677927
Trust me, with your attitude and response, you're an absolute loser. You'll go nowhere. It's why you attack people on the internet. You're a weak man.

>>13677970
>trust me
not going to happen, he's a manchild

>>13677967
>some rich faggot outbids them at 100mil
then their "artist" just made 100mil for a rabbit sculpture.

>>13677970
>>13677956
COPE. sorry does the truth hurt? your money isnt coming back; the sooner you accept that the better lol

How do I make art /biz/?

>>13677927
Love all the backlash you're getting anon, all these newfags are going to buy my bags at ath(again). Bitcoin is and was always worthless.

>>13677773
Truly a brainlet opinion.

Rabbits are a satanic dog whistle

Pizza Gate was stacked with rabbit imagery everywhere

That home alone kid mj fingered sells badges of slices of pizza with bunny rabbit ears

>>13678030
he's not wrong though. clunky play-dough rabbits probably could sell for millions if the parents weren't so fucking stupid.

>>13677985
What are you talking about? I sold some ether in January of 2017. Definitely realized my gains. Now, we're experiencing a reversal of the trend. If not, then I'll still be in the green.

>>13677773
To be fair, he did say famous and not good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Koons

>>13678008
I don't own Bitcoin anymore and I've been investing since 2014. Made a few million. Now in ether. What I'm wondering is why you think people are "newfags" when those who aren't disagree with your sentiment.

>>13677736
Fpbp
Koons is a fucking weirdo in cahoots with some weird human trafficking rings.

>>13678039
It's a brainlet opinion to think that the value of art is in any way correlated to skill. Producing the right kind of art and the right time determines the value not how difficult it is to make.

If your really think it's so easy to be successful go try and sell your play-dough.

>>13677741
Based. Fuck crypto.

>>13677838
Money laundering.

>>13678054
That's not how you observe art. You don't just say, it's not good. That's what is called an opinion. It takes objectivity.

>>13678054
to be fair i have seen some of his art and it is actually good.

>>13678104
biz successfully marketed digital bits. i think we can market some stupid art as cutting edge or some bullshit. let's do it. /biz/ art gallery.

Koons always sells his shit for that much. He also tends to owe ridiculous money because of his extreme perfectionism; constantly sending work back to the fabricators.
That art world is fucking silly...pure silly.
It really has NOTHING to do with Bitcoin.

>>13678104
They're unable to understand. Just a thread full of shit slingers.

>>13678141
what is there to understand? art world is bullshit maximalist.

>>13678045
congrats(?) you won a ponzi scheme

$91 million dollars equals one shitty piece of rabbit art.

Fiat is going to be absolutely worthless soon.

>>13678148
Understand in terms of the concept of thinking about art, not understanding the ideas and concept behind the pieces. You can reject the "art world", as you call it, and amuse yourself, but you really underestimate the value it brings to the psyche. Maybe it's a symptom of the digital world, where many are disconnected from the physical world.

>>13678149
Now, that's a bitter sentiment. This is what you call "COPE".

>>13678190
>a shiny rabbit brings the world 91 million worth of ideas
enlighten us

>>13678148
You are not required to participate in it, but you don't get to have an opinion on it. It's like saying "I don't listen or know anything about music, but I think it's all shit"

>>13677838
its $91 million, not $9

>>13678204
? i was addressing those who lost their money in the ponzi scheme; which you claim to have benefited from, so i wasn’t referring to you. how is that cope? you’re talking like you achieved something when you literally just took part in a ponzi scheme lol cringe

>>13678214
i didn't say that art world is shit. just bullshit.

>>13677736
more likely human(child) trafficking/money laundering

>>13677773
I am sure Koons would love to watch some kids from pre school try.

>>13677967
then the artist becomes famous and they can justify the next piece of shit selling for 91m to move their money next time.

>>13678135
koons is in with the pizzagate gang. he has art in MONA in Tasmania started by some weird back story philanthropist. Tasmania full of demons. Port Arthur was a false flag.

>>13678230
You addressed me, so you're referring to me and wrongfully assuming I invested in a poor crypto currency like bitcoin. I didn't make my money with bitcoin. I amed it with ether, a gas for a block chain platform with a language for smart contracts. How is Ethereum a Ponzi when major institutions and corporations are on board? I don't use Bitcoin. Learn the difference. You're talking of things you don't understand. I'm not talking as if I achieved. Investing is about calculated risk. You are definitely under age. I see it in the way you convey yourself. Enjoy your video games.

>>13678279
poor should be pure

So at what point does a person who is poor see something like this and decide that this is not okay?

>>13677725
Kek. What a retard.

>>13677725
kikes into art

>>13678279
SEETHING

>>13678252
You and your /pol/ buddy need to broaden your horizons. I knew you and he were more sympathetic to conservative views when you began to target a form of art. It's a commonality among that camp of blue vs red, black and white.

>>13678298
french revolution needs to happen asap

>>13678329
My heart rate has remained steady despite your perception.

>>13678279
also tl;dr/no one cares kek

>>13678330
> "broaden your horizons" is not voting for obama the nigger
shut up soiboy

>>13678342
>>13678343
Grow up. It's embarrassing.

>>13678356
i think you may have meant to point your browser over to reddit or facebook grandpa

>>13678356
> hit bcucked soiboy
Please say "it's disgusting", too, it sounds even more dramatic

>>13678343
I'm not a Democrat, liberal, or socialist. I'm not political. Exactly what I mean with your thinking.

>>13678365
I despise the Reddit demographic. Anymore false assumptions?

>>13678374
you are clearly a fucking faggot

>>13678374
You think you're not anything, but you can't even say the word "nigger" because they fucked your brain so hard.

>>13678384
must be self loathing

>>13678373
How is a simple advice dramatic?

>>13678386
By what measure?
>>13678391
The word nigger doesn't bother me.

And by the way, pumping contemporary art was a CIA work, and it's not conspiracy, they said that.
Now it's just a PND shit run by kikes, and it means absolutely nothing.
The same fact that "valuable" means "it's worth a lot of money" is a total kike value.

>>13677927
It's not a ponzi scheme you literally do not know what that word means.

Retards, you're defending Jeff Koons, the marketer, Koons who married a pornstar to make pieces and grow in popularity, he's not an artist, he's a proto youtuber.

The fact that some kike art book speaks about him means absolutely nothing, it's a total fraud.

>>13678332
probably won't happen, the common people are too busy fighting each other (see: thread).

>>13677725
>''white'' metal rabbit sells for 91 million

>white rabbit

>2019

>not woke to symbolisms and gematria

>>13678298
This is the biggest question. It’s astounding that more people don’t see this and start to riot. It is the idea that you are and always will be a slave to people who trade fortunes for what is objectively unaesthetic metal recreations of balloon animals.

I’m starting to think we’ll see a bloody revolution in our lifetimes and I’m not mad about it. This shit is textbook Secular Cycles and we’re deep in the elite overproduction/exploitation phase.

>>13678471
>>13678489
we just have to keep marketing the idea of revolutions as palatable in a such way that it won't get censored or subverted by intelligence agencies.

>>13678400
wow this is the worst nocoiner cope i've seen. let me guess, you knew about crypto years ago and missed out on making hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars? now telling yourself it would have been gamling and a ponzi is the only way to keep the suicidal thoughts away while you commute to the job you hate daily? to add to it, i've retired 2 years ago after cashing out more than €150k and the rest of my stack is worth around 400k now. think about people like me when you see the btc price in 2021 and think about how your life could have turned out. if you're that mad now already your life will be a living hell in a couple of years kek

>>13678433
do people really never realize that they use the word "conspiracy" wrong?
a conspiracy by definition is when a group of people plot something together.
>was a CIA work, and it's not conspiracy, they said that.
a CIA work is the definition of a conspiracy, because the CIA is an organization of people, who had to have gotten together to do whatever they do
anyone else notice how it seems like people have been "trained" to use that word this way?

>>13678330
shut up retard, you didn't know anything.

Jeff Koons
Qatar, a nation known for funneling oil money to ISIS through clandestine banking channels, has taken a keen interest in Jeff Koons, and not just his artwork either. A frequent guest of the Qatari royal family, Jeff Koons has played a major role in the development of their billion dollar Museum of Modern Art.

In January of 2015, Jeff Koons and Marina Abramovic headlined a high profile invitation only event in Doha, Qatar hosted by Her Excellency Sheikha Al Mayassa bint Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, chairwoman, Qatar Museums, and Arthur O. Sulzberger, Jr., chairman and publisher, The New York Times Company.
Sotheby’s and QNB are the headline sponsors for the Art for Tomorrow conference.

“The hostess of the evening (Her Excellency Sheikha Al Mayassa bint Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani) sat laughing with the pony-tailed Japanese artist on her right. On her left was Dakis Joannou, a Greek-Cypriot industrialist and avid collector of the work of Jeff Koons, an American sculptor. Larry Gagosian, whom many regard as the most powerful art dealer in the world, was placed at a table nearby, with the other art dealers”
KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS THE SISTER OF THE EMIR OF QATAR. THIS IS THE WOMAN IN CHARGE OF QATAR’S $1BILLION / YEAR ART ACQUISITION. THIS WAS A BIG EVENT W/ HUNDREDS PROMINENT FIGURES IN THE WORLD ART SCENE IN ATTENDANCE. DOZENS OF BILLIONAIRES IN ATTENDENCE.

He’s With Her: Larry Gagosian to Host Fundraising Auction for Hillary Clinton at 21st Street Gallery

JEFF KOONS AND LARRY GAGOSIAN GO BACK A LEAST A DECADE. THIS ARTICLE ABOUT LARRY GAGOSIAN SHOWS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE TWO TOGETHER IN 2005.

GAGOSIAN IS APPARENTLY ONE OF ONLY TWO DEALERS WHO WORK DIRECTLY WITH KOONS., DESPITE THIS, IN 2008 HE PAID $23.5 MILLION AT SOTHEBY’S FOR JEFF KOON’S “HANGING HEART”

>>13678507
delusional larp

>>13678482
red pill me

>>13677842
>>13677736
>>13677802
I still don’t get it. Can someone explain?

>>13677927
Anon bought the rips.

>>13678505
At a certain point revolution will be more palatable than allowing this system to continue

It’s a matter of enough folks realizing that organically, which of course the glow boiz are doing their best to stop from happening

>>13678330
>>13678515
Koons acted as curator of an Ed Paschke exhibition at Gagosian Gallery, New York, in 2009. In 2010 he curated an exhibition of works from the private collection of Greek billionaire Dakis Joannou at the New Museum in New York City. The exhibition, Skin Fruit: Selections from the Dakis Joannou Collection, generated debate concerning cronyism within the art world as Koons is heavily collected by Joannou and had previously designed the exterior of Joannou's yacht Guilty.

"I love it here," said Jeff Koons. "This is my sixth time in Doha since 2000." Koons denied that he had a project in Qatar, saying rather that he liked taking his kids for buggy rides in the sand dunes."

"Doha: Plastic and ready-made, it’s a city built for Jeff Koons... A frequent guest of the Qatari royal family, the artist is in the desert peninsula’s capital to headline the New York Times Art for Tomorrow conference. For a cool $1,995, attendees from around the globe enjoy a three-day confab, which also features Marina Abramović, Jeffrey Deitch, Marc Spiegler, and Hans Ulrich Obrist, as well as cyborg artists, sheikhs, and corporate philanthropists, all in conversation with Times journalists Roger Cohen, Robin Pogrebin, and Farah Nayeri."

His work is widely collected in the US & Europe, where some collectors acquire his work in depth. Eli Broad has 24 pieces, and Dakis Joannou owns 38.

Dakis Joannou
He is considered to be one of the leading collectors of European and American contemporary art in the world, and is famous for acquisitions such as the Jeff Koons-designed yacht ‘Guilty’. Joannou is active in the hospitality sector, with holdings in the Inter-Continental Hotel in Athens and through Yes! Hotels

>>13678433
art is used as a cover for pedo cannibal satanist human traffickers like hillary.podestas etc

nice logic. if there was only 1 bitcoin it would be valued at $140 billion right now, so i think its overvalued

>>13678489
It basically can be a pajeet piece of shit in a bubble of glass, it doesn't matter.

That's a total KIKE work anon, art was not supposed to be like that.

>>13678511
I know, the problem is that by now "conspiracy theory" is a conceptual cage in which normies put you if you speak about actual, real, plain conspiracies.

>>13678548oannou is also involved in several other industries including bottling, shipping, aviation, and real estate.
Primary areas of business located in the Middle East, North Africa, and Southeastern Europe.

Jeff Koons Correct the Record
According to FEC filings, Jeff Koons donated $50,000 USD to correct the record, a political hit squad founded by David Brock, a close associate of John Podesta and James Alefantis.

Jeff Koons has donated more than $50,000 in cash and through his work to support the US presidential candidate

>>13678546
sure, that works. but, let's accelerate it by placing a figment of the idea in people by marketing it. this shits ridiculous, i bet the elites are doing this shit on purpose because they're bored of how easy it is to enslave the wage slaves.

When you are in a certain wealth level you need to buy more and more moronic displays of wealth... because that's what your peers are doing. How many of you are guilty of buying something at the mall when Walmart would've been just as good?

>>13678561
Of course - art is something like an Arno Breker, not something like a koons which is pure money laundering .01% fuckery. Koons is purposely depressing unless you’re ‘in on the joke,’ a laugh in the face of the economically oppressed by the elite oppressor.

>>13678489
>>13678505
Hypothetically if this were China and a different website, we'd all be lowering our Social Credit Scores by even considering this in public.

>>13678515
>>13678548
Interesting information regarding Jeff. I certainly wouldn't like his or anyone's association with Qatar and ISS, but I do like some of his art. Thank you for the read.

>>13678527
thanks i'll take that as compliment

>>13678595
Consider him as a scamcoin creator.
At that time he played with the art meme, now it's the time of shitcoins.

Real art stays art, no matter of koons or the libtard kikes tricks.

>>13678598
what's your point? i don't want america to be owned by china.

>>13678598
> watchs some "black mirror" episode
> reads some fake news about china on the kikengton post
> actually he doesn't know shit
> feels like he's enlightened
you're definitely a normie

>>13678636

OP here. People are calling me a brainlet for not understanding art. This blow up doggo sold for $58 Million and inspired a book that it's all bullshit.

Can't believe rich faggots actually ate up this blurb that Christie printed and outbid each other:

> Balloon Dog (Orange), one of the most recognizable images in today’s canon of art history. This monumental work, with its flawless reflective surface and glorious color, is the most beloved of all contemporary sculptures. Its spectacular form has been celebrated around the world, having graced the rooftop of New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Art, Venice’s Grand Canal, and Versailles Palace outside Paris. It has become an icon of Popular vernacular, adored by the public and collectors for its unabashed celebration of childhood, hope and innocence

>>13678214
>you don't get to have an opinion on it
hahaHAHAHAHA

>>13678716
"If you don't understand art you're a brainlet" is an old kike gallery meme

Rich normie fags don't give a fuck about art, they're doing the same thing you do with shitcoins.
> buy koons
> koons grows
> sell koons

>>13678716
Expensive art is a cover for weapon/drug/people trafficking.

Always.

>>13678679
My point is that they have measures in place to prevent revolutions as a way to preserve their government. I guess I was also trying to state that it's dangerous to talk about this stuff.

>>13678698
I haven't seen black mirror, I'm too poor to afford a subscription to netflix or an internet connection. Your mom is also really gay.

>>13678814
So you've read the "social muh score" fake news on some kike newspaper and you think it's true.

>>13678742
Personally I am really into disumbrationism. The emperor has not been wearing clothes for a very long time now.

Art that is not craft is a mockery. Art is best understood as the pinnacle of craft. E.g. Bach wrote great music, some of it transcending to art. Not a single piece of shit gallery 'art' work deserves the label.

>>13677725
where can one attend one of these "public" auctions where people have 91mill to to throw around buying paper weights?

>>13678532
>follow the white rabbit

>>13678848

I was actually at Christie's in 1997 or 1998 and I saw Mick Jagger as a highlight otherwise I was bored out of my mind.

http://www.artnet.com/auction-houses/christies-london-king-street/

this thread is so cringe

>>13678837
It's a good idea. If it doesn't exist it really should.

>>13678535
Not money laundering per se, but can be used to make legal transactions to shady types
> owe a favor of $80M to X
> cant wire the money to X, cos X is a warlord
> X buys an ART for pennies and puts it on auction
> X gets his $80M, the rest is middlemen comissions

>>13678548
>artist famous because he associates with billionaire
>billionaire famous for associating with artist
nice closed loop ya got there

All the salt in this thread is easily worth $91 million. If you have 100 mil to throw away why not use it to make a lot of people mad?

>>13678595
This statement is ridiculous. Who are you to say what art is? These theories are also somewhat ridiculous (not completely). Why must everything become a front for ulterior motives? Yes, I question that day on Sept 11, 2001, so don't start pegging me.

>>13678886
It's the fools who also visit a certain board.

>>13678949
You can set up a concentration camp and gas people for 91 million. That would piss off way more people. I'm salty that these wealthy people aren't maximizing the value of their money.

>>13677725

It's fine. Sculpture

>>13678880
idk what that means. Can you just explain it instead of sending my mind in circles?

>>13678990
Q Anon followers know no other way.

>>13678954
> who are you to say what art is?
You're totally fucked by kikes memes, you don't notice that?

>>13678989

RIP western civilization

>>13678954
Isn't it a little weird? The most paid for a Van Gogh was $79M and this little piece of scrap metal sold for $91M. It is very probable that this is some type of money laundering scheme.

>>13678252
Came here to post exactly this. Koons is in with the Alefantis cash exchange part of the pizzagate business. And the buyer was the father of Treasury Securary Mnuchin.

>>13678548
> which also features Marina Abramović,
This fucking devilwoman is not only famous for spirit coocking witchcraft "art" but has featured in Joao de Deus brazilian serial rapist prophet.
It's so fucking sickening.
Let me go back to looking at crypto please.

>>13679283
>has featured in ... documentary

When I look at a Van Gogh it is interesting. I want to keep looking at it, study the details. When I look at this there's nothing that captivates my attention. I only briefly paused to look at the reflection in the metal. It isn't interesting. I can't imagine anyone pays $91M for something and doesn't consider the possbility of its value later on, if he's getting a fair price. Is Koon someone who has really made a name for himself, is he a ''master''? Does he possess some special talent or skill that others don't like the real masters Van Gogh, Rembrandt or Vermeer? I don't think so. But his art is worth more. That's weird and suspicious as fuck.

I think the /pol/tards here make a good point. Just like the music industry has obviously devolved, art has become complete nonsense. And this is probably some shady deal of things I don't really want to discuss.

>>13679283
>>13679324
This conversation highlights what I love about 4chan. For all of its bullshit, the truth always rises to the top. All I want to do is discuss crypto and share memes and here we are talking about *that*. I can’t even escape that evil truth on biz.

>>13679324
Art is the largest source of international money laundering. Arts value isn’t in its beauty anymore but rather what the artists previous works have sold for and in what matter it was presented. These sculptures are speaking volumes about the state of culture today.

Does bitcoin kill jew art market?

>>13678330
DYOR. This is legit money laundering with ties to state sanctioned terrorism. I imagine the bags you hold are absolutely bluepilled.

>>13678511
>because the CIA is an organization of people, who had to have gotten together to do whatever they do
one could say, to conspire.

>>13679324
Van Gogh paintings drip struggle and humanity
This scammers works mean nothing, and fit perfectly in this libtard fucked kike age.

>>13679324
Have you ever seen the Mona Lisa?
Literally the most dissapointing/overrated art in the Louvré(maybe anywhere)
Listen to Mona Lisa from Never Stop Never Stopping, its the best description desu

>>13679208
I value differing forms of art in separate ways. It's fine and good to acknowledge the skill and time required, of course, but I don't understand why that should be included universally. For example, the medium of the sculpture can make it novel, such as his balloon animal at scale and in metal. Of course it's difficult to explain feelings and I'm not studied in the subject or able to explain to someone. There's no one or official way to interpret as you know, but there's a studied way of learning to observe and better understand art.
>>13679051
I see worthiness in the silver balloon rabbit and blue balloon dog, as well as Michelangelo's David.

>>13677725
move along civilian nothing to see here
no shady business going on
please proceed to your wage cage

>>13679557
All art must be a framed by the artist's feelings? What about those admiring what's created?

>>13679575

I am not an art fan or religious but when I look at Michelangelo's pieta for instance it inspire's awe, invokes emotion and you can see the work and the genius put into the details of crafting the detail out of a single slab of marble. That fucking doggo that sold of $58 million is a blow up balloon that many scammers can put together really quickly. It's not seeing worthiness in your child's crap drawing's but it's elevating dogshit art like this to epic proportions in our modern civilization that speaks to how low we've fallen.

>>13679698
Well, that certainly is a magnificent sculpture!

>>13677725

this gives me hope.

I wish a billionaire buy 1 bitcoin and Ethereum for a million in the future before he dies

>>13679613
Art "must be" nothing.
Art simply IS.
One of its attributes is that it is inspiring, art creates feelings into the admirer, don't provoke them.
The Artist is the medium, not the creator, btw.
He's not a fucking rockstar.

> Art must be functional
> Art must be political
> Art must be market
This is basically kike garbage

>>13679762

like taint himself with blood just to say he did it all

>>13679698
>>13679051

I've seen that sculpture in person, including Moses and all. the louvre doesnt usually censor large art sculpture installations unless exceptionally provocative just like
>>13679799 said art for art's sake, life imitates art and not the other way round, not conformist, counter message of sometimes a problem in society and ruptures conventions, if you look at that whole submarket of collectibles in the same style that sculpture is totally fine.

this thread right here justifies value

>>13677736

fucking furries

>>13679575
sure, i'm not saying there can't be any sentiment. But is that sentiment worth $91M? I doubt it. And it makes this business very dubious.

>>13679909
The fact is this is just a lecture some '68 kike did for you on some art book.
Art is a collection of works, it's not connected by some logic, it expresses the values of the time.

That '68 idiot concept about conventions should lead to create extreme nazi racist paedophile works today.
It would be extremely funny to trigger libtards with their own lame weapons, but it definitely would have no value.

>>13679997
You're right. I see the point of the majority here as well, it's just I was entertaining a view beyond me.

>>13678121
Some of it is pretty cool honestly.

>>13680039

are you referring to pollock and hockney lauded during the cold war to promote freedom of expression that added value to their works within their historical context. When you look at works from yayoi for example you see flair but not travesty, shocking just for the sentiment isnt taste

>>13680039
silly goy, nazi imagery isn't art, it's just propaganda

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/arts/design/jeff-koons-fait-dhiver-naf-naf-copyright.html
>Jeff Koons Is Found Guilty of Copying. Again.

It's really not to hard to understand.

Imagine if there were 16 million shiny doggos in existence. Imagine 1,800 shiny doggos created every day. Now you understand the concept of scarcity and value. The shiny doggos are worth 91 million and the common and plentiful internet money is worthless in comparison.

In 100 years the shiny doggo will be worth 1% of world GDP and the Bitcoin will be worth as much as any other obsolete technology.

Nothing will ever render the shiny doggo obsolete. Quantum computing cannot affect the shiny doggo. It's reflective surface repels lasers and cosmic Ray's. It will exist longer than any living human being.

>>13680151
I'm referring at the post '60 market as a whole, basically we stopped at pop art, we are in a totally pop period.

>>13680182
The only cure for propaganda is autist triggering, prove me wrong

>>13678112
Yeah I know, just pointing out that Jeff Koons is a famous artist and a divisive one.

Not this thread again. You are gonna have some pseudo intellectuals who try to over explain why trash is art, and then you will have the traditionals who think anything past the beginning to mid 20th century art is shit. It never fucking fails

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/features/how-jeff-koons-gift-to-paris-is-riddled-with-problems-a7808351.html

“They presented this bouquet as a symbolic present to Paris, but then we realised it wasn’t exactly a present, since France had to pay to install it,” says Isabel Pasquier, an art critic at France Inter, one of the country’s leading public radio stations. “Whether you appreciate his art or not, Jeff Koons is a businessman, and we quickly understood that he was offering Paris to himself as a present.”

>''donate'' art for terrorist attack to the city Paris
>Get lots of media attention
>Don't actually want to pay for it. Only donate the concept.

He's immoral and not an artist. Just wants to make money.

>>13677967
so they auction a different rabbit the next day, and the artist made 100 mil for nothing

>>13679324
this post cut through to my soul

>>13679324
>>13680457

the show must go on

>>13680362
can an infinite supply of such "art" be created or not? in the case of abstract expressionism and pop art the answer is invariably yes
and yet the laws of supply and demand do not appear to apply
why do you think that is?

>>13680543

modern monetary theory

>>13680221
Thing is, you're right.

>>13678008
Bitcoin is worthless but the goal is to up your fiat using it as much and as quickly as you can before bailing out and getting into stocks.

>>13677725
>all of these plebeians insisting it's money laundering
maybe you just have common taste

>>13681202
Art is the easiest way to launder money because it's subjective.
That said, the more upsetting things about the nature of wealth distribution and (more importantly its influence in the legal system) are stuff like the DuPont scion who raped his 3 year old and got house arrest.

>>13681193
No. The goal is to acquire more btc with your fiat. You can tell you're new.

>>13681424
I know, I was just being sarcastic because it's a 91 million dollar kidrobot statue

>>13681498
BTC is going to grind to a hault with scaling issues in the mid-future. I'd rather be out and ready to buy into whatever succeeds it.

>>13681591
Second layers.

>>13677773

I think you should research a little bit more about Jeff Koons' work before you say dumb shit like this. He literally uses the most cutting edge technology to create these trompe l'oeil pieces. New technology, factories, manufacturing techniques, and infrastructures have to be invented in order to make, move, and install his work. Research his monumental squashed clay pieces and the incredible leaps in technology that had to be enacted to create them. FYI this rabbit piece is cast metal and if you saw it in person you could see that there are no imperfections, inconsistencies, flaws, or waviness in the metal, which is nearly impossible with large cast pieces, especially after they are finished, handled, and polished. This is part of the content of the work; there is constant tension between the creative will of man and what natural materials and entropy might demand on their own parts.

This work is perverse, extreme control of natural materials, a process driven by symbols of desire that capitalism has imposed on us; not just the symbols that the pieces literally depict (products, toys, symbols of wealth etc) but the pieces themselves as valuable art become the extreme objects of desire that further fetishize themselves and justify their own existence.

In the material sense, how extreme can the forces of desire and creativity under the auspices of capitalism become? how far can they push what we can do with materials and nature? On the hand (of value), how far can the forces of desire push us again all reason? How high can they push the price within their insular bubbles of meaning and value, alien to our everyday existence? I think the outsize cost of this piece is actually part of the content; unlike a lot of extremely valuable art, it is one of the few bodies of work that can incorporate its own huge value into its critical discourse. Just a read to consider. I think Koons' work is fucking brilliant but its overlooked because its pop as hell.

>>13682355
He's been sued and lost several cases for plagiarizing others work.

>>13682572
Oof, got em

Go check out 0xowns.art to get in the blockchain art trading game yourself.

>>13682572

...So? This doesn't change what I think of the work

Art is just money laundering that they dress in sophistication to try to convince the proles that it has actual merit. Look into how they can move art across countries with no taxation and it is just so pathetically obvious. The trend to modern art is just the elites thumbing their noses even further trying to make it as big of charade as possible.

>>13678535
Buy some drugs/prostitutes/gun/slaves/etc from a dude + plus some dumbass artwork but only officially pay for the artwork

>>13679324

I think you lack imagination then. I think Koons' psychotic manipulation of materials is fucking captivating as hell. I think you think what you do about Van Gogh and the masters because it's thoroughly digested enough to be appreciated and understood for its material, formal, and poetic complexity. Had you lived 100 years ago, I think you'd be saying about Van Gogh what you're saying about Koons and lamenting how it lacks the wondrous use of paint commanded by Sargent. Sloppy, nonsensical, and lacking naturalism and wonder.

I urge you to look at the work for what it is and what it does. See my post above for my own reaction. For me, that's the content of the work (in part, I think a lot can be said about it). I'm not justifying the insane valuation of art works today, but I think Koons' stuff stands out in his work's ability to recognize its own outsize value and have it be part of the content.

>>13682832

This is also correct. But it doesn't mean that there isn't also actual artistic merit to the work that is being paraded around.

>>13683002
Artistic merit is entirely subjective. That's what makes it so perfect for the laundering. Anything with entirely subjective value can have any price. Art is an institution with the capacity for using appeal to authority to convince people that they just aren't smart or cultured enough to understand the underlying value of a piece of art.

>>13682979
Exactly. Well said.

>>13683089

Definitely. I fully agree. I urge people to approach art with the knowledge that its value is subjective, which is a double edged sword; it makes the value of art easy to manipulate but it also means that you must have your own reaction and think critically about what that reaction is and then keep thinking about it. Whatever reaction you are having is the content of the work for you, and it need not be a good reaction. Learning to see art is learning to think about what you are thinking and feeling and to then thinking about what you are thinking about that --- its epistemological at its root. How can we learn to see relationships that are invisible to us and meant to be so? How do we uncover them, identify them, and give them names? If art can do that for you, then it has been successful no matter what else it is.

I think you're overestimating the amount of money moving through 99% of the art market. These mega auctions at Christies and Sothebys are a league of their own. But I promise you, as someone living and working in the arts, that the overwhelming majority of galleries and the art world are starving for money and are DEFINITELY not swimming in it. Certainly not enough to enact some huge emperor's clothes conspiracy. Art may be a cock ring meant to keep the erection of capitalism up, but by and far most of it is made and shown in good faith, and its power is real, even if the objects themselves become weaponized by the market.

>>13677725

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THERE ARE ZERO REAL WORLD USE CASES FOR THAT RABBIT REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Here's your "rabbit" sir
>*Sneaks five hundred dozen Haitian and Southeast Asian slave children under the table*

>>13678886
>>13678979
>Being an artfag unironically
wew

>>13682355
Fuck off koons

>>13683330
How may a humble /biz/reli make a capitalized capitalizing piece of artwork so that I can slap a 100 million price tag on it?

>>13677725
is it made of white gold?

>>13677736
>white rabbit as a pedo symbol
>91 mil for some retarded steel
Nothing to see here, kek. Nothin at all!

>>13682355
Nice sales pitch, Shlomo. Very fine tuned
*Sold for the cartel represenative at the back of the room*

>>13682776
ok, this is hilarious. blockchain ledger of people buying and selling IS the art itself. this is far smarter than whatever bullshit koons produce.

>>13683461
Are you calling me a FUCKING nigger?
NO NO NO NO NO!