/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>14876862
You could probably fake it if you're doing web dev or something easy like that. Anything more complicated and the other coders will sniff out your larping from a mile away

>>14876862
I don't think you'll fool anyone

>>14876877
Even mid tier webdev requires more dev knowledge these days. Anything that doesn't has already been shipped to India.

>>14876862
You won't make it past an interview.

>>14876862
What a good idea op. Do It and reporte back

it could work for non tech company kek
remember more than 50% people have no idea what they are doing

How hard is it to learn? No really, it seems like every faggot these days is a coder or programmer or whatever

>>14876916
>>14876912
Most people just google how to do everything as they go.

>>14876912
>tfw HR lady with fat toilet just wants to hear buzzwords

they ask you a single question about your code and you're fucked. land a coding internship with no knowledge base (somehow) and they'll realise damn near instantly that you're missing critical core info like understanding functions, permissions, syntax, if-else statements, for/while loops, or even simpler shit like declaring variables.. when you get in there and go "sorry, what are the curly braces accomplishing?" you're glow in the dark.
once you can understand that code on GitHub that you're copying, why each character is where it is, what the functions are accomplishing, why they use the operators they use, and how the code is structured, you stand a ghost of a chance. until then, give up hope of faking your way to a programmer job.

you have to be on the spectrum in order to code
thats why women suck at it

>>14876862
anyone who's a programmer will know you don't know shit instantly. Will only work if your boss/team are not programmers

>>14876973
>comp sci autists thinking their coding terminology is hard to understand. A simple coding course online will literally teach you the gist of each of those things you listed. Only problem is it doesn't teach you what to use them for/interesting applications of them.

>>14876916
depends how deep you go. You can learn to do easy shit that are useless to a company in a few hundred hours. You can start being legitimately useful to a company after 2000-3000 hours.

>>14877098
that's what you think cause you're a norman. if all you did was watch a few hours of courses, you're a beginner, and a 5min conversation with a programmer will quickly expose you as so.

>>14876862
You can take an intro computer science class, and you'll know plently enough to copy/paste/read code.

Now youe beat bet is to join a startup/smaller non-tech company and learn on the job. I know people who took 1 comp sci course and landed developer jobs at startups paying 80K+. Of course you aren't getting paid Google compensation, but it'll BTFO most entry levels jobs, and you don't really have to know shit.

>>14877177
This is what I'm looking for. I can take a year of comp sci courses at my uni (I'm a biochem major) and look for a start-up. I don't even need a lot of money, I'm just trying to learn.

>>14877177
>I know people who took 1 comp sci course and landed developer jobs at startups paying 80K+
why don't they get fired? I would fire them instantly. Even a junior position should at least have 1000 hours of coding under their belt. And junior positions don't pay 80k

Why would you want to be a code monkey anyway?

>>14877237
They work with engineers and businessmen that dont know anything about programming. Most of them are developing applications/websites. They usually just use templates/youtube tutorials.

>>14877272
Seems like an easy job to scam companies with. As in, you do shit they don't want to do so you basically spend most of your time doing unproductive shit like watching porn/anime/youtube and browsing reddit.

>>14877237
Coding isn’t as hard as you think it is unless you’re doing something fundamental to the company (that’s like 5% of dev jobs)

>>14877215
>I don't even need a lot of money, I'm just trying to learn
That's bullshit. You could become a decent programmer in 3 months if you build your own project on your own 80 hours a week. That's 1000 hours in 3 months.

>>14877272
it's pretty funny that coping non-programmers call us "code monkeys", when programming is actually one of the least repetitive job you can do. Every day you're googling, learning new tech and getting better. You literally spend 100% of your time using your brain to solve problems. It's one of the least monkeyish wagecuck one can have.

>>14877215
do it anon, you have your mind made up already and didnt even make an argument to >>14877098 you just called me an autist and said it isn't hard. let's see how it goes. and yeah, hours of courses will probably help you, and id argue it's mandatory. you've now said you're willing to take courses online and at your uni. that's very different from
>fake coding knowledge, copy some poor niggas github shit, land a intern job, and start learning from there
you're now admitting you need a knowledge base to even begin discussing the functions of the job you intend to land.

>how do I land a job without being a programmer? willing to learn to code online and take uni courses in the meantime
is very different from what you suggested and you're moving the goalposts.

I haven’t seen a single person here mention leetcode.com. This website contains over a thousand interview practice problems. Literally all you have to do to get a job at a big tech company is do over a hundred of these problems and understand the solutions. Source: I work at google. I don’t care if you believe me or not. But I also have a traditional computer science background. So it may help to start by learning basic Python programming, self learning data structures and algorithms or take some community college class, then grinding leetcode (or the book Crackinng the Coding Interview).

>>14877324
What's a good project to learn on then? I'm a NEET right now.

Pretty difficult to pull off.
If you want to make money off the lack of 'IT/Computer' knowledge of others. Go to boomer businesses and offer them 'programming' a website by selling them your drag and drop Wordpress/Shopify templates

>>14877280
that makes sense
>>14877316
I'm a full time dev with 10 years of experience, I know exactly how hard coding is.

Coding badly is extremely easy. Coding well is extremely hard and requires thousands of hours of expertise. There's no way I would let some spagetti code from a noob into my 100k lines codebase.

If you're building some baby app from scratch that's 2-3000 lines of code, then sure, a beginner can do it.

>>14877347
Oh and If I didn’t emphasize it enough, use Python language the whole way. It is the easiest to pick up, read, and do interviews with. I got offers from Google, Amazon, and some startup using only Python during whiteboard sessions.

>>14877098
>t. absolute retard
Your whole idea reeks of your two digit IQ. Not all coding is making websites. Even web dev sounds like it would be too difficult for you. You can copy and paste but you'll get exposed during the technical interview when you have to whiteboard an algorithm on the spot

>>14877358
That's up to you. Find something that motivates you. The very first app I made 10 years ago was a plenty of fish bot because I was trying to get laid.

Start with something simple and work your way up. My first few programs were just automating shit that were 100 lines of codes and it took me hours and hours to get it to work.

>>14877358
youre literally just saying "how do I learn to code?" now. eventually you're not faking it anymore.

honestly for simple data structures and functions I started with Unity scripting tutorials when I was a neet. it's not as simple as python but starting with c# syntax isn't an awful way to go. it introduces arguments and visualizes outputs of functions pretty intuitively, but you don't learn really anything about data structures like libraries and manipulating lists and such. there are also a fair number of tutorials regarding persistence and objects. codeacademy is another way to start. relatively quickly you can start punching in some simple code to see if it does what you want it to do, why it doesn't, and what you need to change or are missing.

>>14877411
Literally you right now.

>>14877416
I've been trying to learn on rosalind, but I'm not actually learning anything because it's basically just a bunch of math problems.

The autists ITT are right, but Jesus they sure have some frail egos and false senses of superiority about it. KEK they are proud wage cucks who work extra hard for Mr. Shekelstein while some chad salesmen bangs their onetitus’s they’re too afraid to talk to because they have autism. COPE.

>>14877098
this is unironically true. I've learned a bit online and taken some college classes on coding and all the stuff >>14876973 listed is covered with a few hours of learning. I still don't know how to make anything outside of command-line/basic python gui shit which is frustrating.

>>14876862
bruh i did 2 internships back to back at a big name tech firm, i didnt know fkn shit about real coding even tho im in compsci so i just studied interview questions beforehand just in case. im p good at talking to ppl so i kinda just finessed my way thru the interview and got the job. I worked with a bunch of other dweeb ass interns, fuarking typical compsci kids but got them to do most of the work for me lmao. Id spend most days just browsing reddit/4chan/ and flipping shitcoins. The managers would asign work but that shit takes like 20 mins of googling to solve so i would stretch out the work as long as possible not to do shit. oh and pay was 28 and hour.

>>14877473
>the autists are right, but they're coping
really makes me think, my dude

>>14876862
you'll fool nobody with today's competition

>>14877378
Your perception of difficulty is skewed because you probably only work/think about things that are difficult (compared to what a Junior dev could do)
Ideally you’d have some sort of a mentor figure instead of fucking code review.
I’ve met google employees who’s code is filled with millions of if-else statements and bad formatting and yet they’re still not fired.

>>14877507
Based, my brother did the same and finessed himself into an $80k/yr job right out of uni and is now working at another company remotely.

Hi guys, please start at leetcode.com level “easy” questions. When you can comfortably solve most medium questions in under half an hour you can get any software job you want

>>14877463
Pluralsight
Code academy
Good documentation
Personal project recommendations (look for some and try to emulate what they did without looking at their code)

Have working knowledge of at least a few coding languages then put a bunch of others you don't actually know, along with other tech programs you can lie about being proficient with. Also buy some burner phones from dollar store and use those numbers as fake references, give yourself glowing reviews.

>>14877514
shitty boomers are grandfathered into good positions that young people deserve, the will be a culling when economic conditions restrict

>>14876862
just start learning for real, programming is a pretty comfy job

>>14877463
>g-g-g-uys how can i fake coding for a job
>wait no no no i want to actually learn
>spoonfeed me how to learn since i can't do a simple google search
You're unironically never going to make it and it's amusing you think that it's even a possibility for you

>>14877493
>everything i listed is covered in a few hours of learning
and that's the point of when I said it was rudimentary shit he doesnt even understand and can't hope to land a job without it. he's since backtracked on copying someone else's GitHub and starting learning on the job and is now willing to do hours of learning. hence, moving the goalposts

>>14877463
fuck math. I suck at math and I never use it. Only maybe 1% of programmers actually work in fields that need math. They make the most money though.

pick something easy that interest you and build it. If you dont know how, google it, go on forums, chatrooms, whatever. Ask "how can I build x". Most of the time everything has been done before and it's actually easy to use someone's code and change it slightly.

The easy stuff I started with was spam bots because that's what I was interested in. Games are easy to make. Websites are easy to make. Data Science and machine learning is pretty easy too if you find the right tutorial.

You should never give up because some tutorial is too hard or too boring. There's infinite easy AND interesting shit you can do with programming, you just gotta keep searching till you find it.

>>14877511
Lol do you disagree? Yea OP can’t fake his way into a coding job. That doesn’t change the fact programmers are 95% perma-virgin Brony types that cling onto their intellectualism as a cope for their social retardation. It’s always a dick measuring contest of brains with those nerds despite that they are pudgy spy boys who are the types to spend their decent salaries tipping cam girls. Any programmer who’s not a sperg gets called a “Brogrammer” because the dude is capable of maybe getting laid and it infuriates the seething betas.

>>14877324
>it's pretty funny that coping non-programmers call us "code monkeys", when programming is actually one of the least repetitive job you can do. Every day you're googling, learning new tech and getting better. You literally spend 100% of your time using your brain to solve problems. It's one of the least monkeyish wagecuck one can have.
Comeon dude you know that's not what the majority of "programing" jobs are

>>14877473
yeah some truth to it.
top tier compsci autists end up as glorified code monkeys at FAANG ie data scientist making 100k+. how many of them turn to CEOs with fuck you money? 4-8% ? and even CEOs are a glorified concept by normie media, all fucking tech CEOs are betas devoting their life to their company. working in their freetime, weekends staying shutins..

Been coding android apps, building websites, custom plugins for wordpress, fucking smart contracts since last year, virtual reality games, etc. And yet I can't get a job. My only option is to freelance which is frustrating as fuck sometimes. And yet, when i go to a job interview they show me the door. Telling me they don't "feel my vibe" or other shit like that. So fuck you op for even thinking about it

>>14877590
Hi I agree with your sentiment but starting salary at most FAANGs when you take into account bonus and equity is around $200k. After about 6-7 years of experience you get to around $350-400k

>>14876862
apply as hispanic to a mid to large tier company and you’ll get an interview for an internship from some racist affirmative action employer

>>14877573
it actually is but the cope from brainlets ITT is hitting new levels. even a front end react or angular dev will make hundreds of google searches a week. thinking every problem in programming is identical is equivalent to saying every case a lawyer gets or every patient a doctor treats is identical

>inb4 wagie cope
t. started my own software company and will never wage for anybody in my life

>>14876862
*blocks your path*

>>14877569
>they're right, you can't fake it
>that doesn't stop them from being evidently socially fucked though
I see what you mean, honestly I hardly even know any programmers so I don't know shit about the subculture, i have like 6 women on lock if I wanted to get laid though, so maybe I'm just not seething

>>14877573
I have trouble imagining how programming can not be like that. If I'm at a job where I have to do the same thing multiple times I'll just write a framework once and reuse it. There's no monkeying. If I need something 1000 times, I write it once, and reuse it 1000 times.

I'm not indian and I'm not retarded so maybe that's why. I'd just quit if the job was shit and someone else would hire me instantly.

>>14877634
I put myself down as Amerindian for extra basedboi points.

>>14877550
The kind of shit I'm interested in is way beyond my level. Protein physics for example.

>>14877538
Listen sperg, I even said in my OP I just wanted to weasel my way into an internship so I could learn. This is why comp sci fags have such a bad rep.

>>14876862
Fuck off normie. I worked hard for my CS degree from an elite school.

I like to haze the fuck out of normie jock faggots like you trying to get into tech because it makes money even though 15 years ago when tech was bust you weren't interested in it at all. DIE.

>>14877659
Kek

>>14877684

What's my networth have to be to get a chubby white weeb egirl gf?

>>14876862
Most good internships will give you some type of coding quiz during the interview process and require you to be enrolled in college to get in. You should just sign up at your local community college and take a few coding classes to get the basics your first semester then start applying for internships.

>>14877324
>You could become a decent programmer in 3 months if you build your own project on your own 80 hours a week.
Yeah and you could become a decent chemist if you spend 80 hours a week for three months trying to get to a compound. Putting in 80 hours is hard even when you know your stuff, when you're an absolute beginner its not gonna happen.

>>14876862
In my experience nobody looks at github, I have an active account on my resume with multiple projects that actually have users and stars and I've never been asked about it. Maybe they count it as a bonus when screening the resumes but in an actual interview they'll be more interested in seeing your solution to whatever test problems they bring. Think of it like this, why look at every candidate's custom projects when you can just give all of them the same problem with no extra preparation time on your part?

>>14877098
Please invert a red-black tree in the language of your choice and give me the asymptotic complexity of your code. Please prove the asymptotic complexity, as well.

No googling allowed, you will be completing this assessment on a whiteboard with no outside resources.

>>14876884
he could fool an HR roastie
but these things usually involve a hands on interview where you gotta actually code

>>14876862
or you know
you could just
learn2code

>>14877734
This is so ivory tower even google wouldn't ask it

>>14877684
Based incel computer nerd rage

>>14877734
>>14877770

Hi, I have been in over 20 onsite interviews, never been asked anything remotely that hard. Maybe they will ask you to reverse a normal binary tree.

>>14877684
Based incel computer nerd rage

>>14877677
>The kind of shit I'm interested in is way beyond my level. Protein physics for example.
Well you have to break down problems into smaller parts.

I dont know what protein physics is. Is it like graphics? If so, why not start with water physics or bouncing balls physics? I'm sure there's 1 million tutorials that take you form 0 to 100 in a million other physics topics. Then you can move on to more difficult physics.

>>14877724
>Yeah and you could become a decent chemist if you spend 80 hours a week for three months trying to get to a compound. Putting in 80 hours is hard even when you know your stuff, when you're an absolute beginner its not gonna happen.

Well if you're not able to do something 80 hours a week for 3 months, you're probably too low IQ to have any success with programming. I could literally code 10hours a day for years in a row if my body would physically allow it.

>be me
>be 6 watching uncle type basic into a TI computer
>want to code
>be 13. Spend allowance on Borland C++ compiler.
>write code
>more code
>go to college, take coding courses
>write much code.
>why is this so hard?
>instructors say I have an odd coding style
>can't read someone else's code and figure out what it does.
>can only make autistic apps nobody wants
>be 35 years old. Still suck at coding.
>realize I need to give this up as a waste of time.

There were always 1 or 2 guys in class that just picked up the concepts instantly and got fluent. Everyone else is a poser like me.

>>14877801
>>can't read someone else's code and figure out what it does.
Really?
You don't have to "get it" immediately, even short segments can take a while to understand

>>14877795
Yeah, let's say I am trying to figuring out what molecule would fit in a certain protein shape/enzyme. I would need to model the physics of the interaction. This is basically called biophysics.

>>14877801
bad programmers write unreadable code. Writing clean code is what makes you a good programmer worth hiring. Maybe you're just reading bad code. Or maybe you're just too dumb.

>>14877878
there's millions of physics tutorials for complete beginners. Do a few of them and you'll probably be able to do your protein physics (assuming you're not talking about inventing the formulas yourself, that's not programming, that's physics)

>>14877930
with all due respect, I think it's much more complicated than that and I'm not even that guy

>>14877654
LMAO business owners are the apex wage cucks. You report directly to the ZOG and your customers and the tax man are the boss where if you break the rules you don’t get fired you go to jail. Also have fun with regular 50-60 hour weeks and covering for people if they quit or walk off. Get over yourself dude right me a line of code that will repeat RAGIE WAGIE STOMPS HIS FEET RAGIE WAGIE COPES THAT HE ISN’T A WEALTHY CRYPTO NEET

>>14876862
Learn Racket/LISP and then learn C++ and some design patterns. It's not hard. Having the math background would be hardest part but you don't really need that unless you're interviewing at Facebook or some hedgefund that only wants to hire Math Olympiad contestants

>>14878005
if the formulas are well known, implementing them is as simple as that. You copy and paste the formulas into code. If not, then it's not even really programming, it's physics.

>>14876862
You don't sound smart, if you're great at socializing and you're smart you can fool anyone. That's what con men do (ex: trump)

>>14878037
Biochemistry major (still in uni) so yes, I have the math background of 1 year of Calculus and ordinary diff EQ + 1 year of calc-based physics.

>>14878061
Which is more math than a comp sci major and I still haven't even gotten to physical chemistry yet.

>>14876862
Just start learning instead of shitposting you fucking lazy nigger.

>>14878072
>more math than a comp sci major
It isn't, at least at the school I went to. CS majors had to take all that + discrete math + combinatorics + stats + a bunch of math electives and theoretical CS courses.

Coding is so boring why the heck would you want to be a programmer?

>>14878061
learn some discrete math and linear algebra and you should have the needed math background

>>14878102
Yeah, depends on the uni of course. (Same goes for biochem at other unis where they don't even need calc, physics, or physical chemistry).

At my uni comp sci is just intro to discrete structures and 1 year of calc. (They start at precalc).

>>14876862
You won't get on at a tech company, they having programming tests as part of the interview.

Go apply at some boomer place like Home Depot corporate, you can probably pull it off.

>>14877358
Do CS50x for web development on edX, then get the fullstack FreeCodeCamp certification. You can absolutely get a job in about a year if you do this. It'll be a babby junior webdev dev job but it'll sill be $40k more a year than you're making right now.

>>14878113
it's one of the least boring wagekek you can have

>>14878157
I severely doubt that

>>14878157
It's prolly not that boring if as this nigga says is true (Trying to find the answer, shooting with shit with the roasties in HR, and donating to roastie patreons all day).

All while wearing a checkered button-up with a skinnyfat body where your belly gently protrudes.

>>14876862
I want to seed this female.

>>14878033
>arguing against owning a business on BUSINESS AND FINANCE
The absolute state of this board. I was able to start that software company because of ETH in 2016 you nufaggot. Once you make it being a NEET isn't as appealing. Building whatever you want for yourself can be quite rewarding. Of course you'll never find this out because your future is forever LARPing as a wealthy crypto NEET

>>14878049
trump doesn't even seem smart desu he's just practiced. he rehashes the same arguments and lines and uses a lot of distractive techniques to make himself seem more credible to stupid people by obfuscating his messages. his voterbase in 2016 was comprised of ignorant and fearful party line voters, the devoted alt right, and protest votes because of the conspiracy by the DNC and the Clinton campaign against Bernie, where trump was the only remaining antiestablishment candidate. I don't think he's a genius.

>>14878196
>checkered button-up with a skinnyfat body where your belly gently protrudes.
is this a shot at sergey?

>>14878165
you are severely incorrect then. Most wagekek are walmart tier jobs

>>14878196
There's no shooting the shit with roasties and shitposting. You just code all day. And that is more fun and stimulating than 99% of wagekeks. It also pays more.

>>14878196
It is pretty satisfying desu. Building a project to spec, debugging edge cases. Getting a function to pass 100% of your unit tests feels really good and satisfying, like solving a hard puzzle in a video game.

>work 4 years as .NET developer at biggest energy company of my country
>can barely code

lel

>>14878209
>Building whatever you want for yourself can be quite rewarding
I've been fond of this mindset, that owning a business and providing a product or service is productively using your time to build/create something out of nothing. if you're a neet, don't you like the idea of using your brainpower to meme your ideas into being? otherwise, if you're not trying to influence your reality, what's the point of life? self employment is the true red pill.

>>14877173
but aren't internships meant for beginners?

>>14878312
internships are meant for students.

>>14878312
You need 5 years experience and a masters to get an internship these days.

>>14878200
Same, I wish we could see her hips and thighs.

>>14878341
I bet her hips/thighs are thick.

>>14878356
AAAAAAAAÀAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCKING KILL ME

>>14876862
Get a job you black as the night nigger.

>>14877347
>>14877385

Hello folks, just wanted to bump my earlier posts. You guys are doing a lot of arguing, just wanted to draw your attention to the blueprint I have laid out for how to become a techy wagecuck that at least has a decent salary (cannot fix social stunting).

I have met people who have followed this path and landed big boy tech jobs easy. I spent the last semester of grad school only doing leetcode and got multiple offers. Leetcode is the answer, leetcode is all that matters, leetcode is life

>>14878959
My icebreaker at google orientation was “how many leetcode problems did you do?” And 90% of the time got an answer that was greater than 50.

>>14878992
>>14878959
Well yeah you can grind leetcode a fuckton but unless you understand CS you wont get much out of it: what happens when you get asked a problem you haven't seen before

Senior Java developer here. Google 'Helsinki MOOC java'. Spend two weeks doing this. After this, make a console based Tic Tac Toe from scratch to exercise your problem solving skills. Then learn Spring/rest API's and you'll have the corporate world at your feet.

>>14879088
That’s why I also recommend self learning data structures and algos before leetcode, or use “cracking the coding interview” which goes over a lot of basics. Part of grinding leetcode is not just memorizing the answers, it is absorbing the patterns that you see so you can apply them to other questions. 40% of my interview questions have consisted of DFS or sliding window substring problems.

Can you actually earn a good salary with programming knowledge? I mean, is it worth learn just for career prospects if you don't exactly love it?

>>14879134
Yes. My total compensation is north of 200k and I just finished school. Sorry if this is a humble brag. Just trying to motivate you to hit leetcode.

>>14878341
Not as thicc as you imagine
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmrCbNIhYnW/?hl=en

CS/Math double major student here. I feel bad for all the brainlets in here wanting to become programmers. I’m going to eat you faggots alive. There’s more to programming than just “writing code” that’s the easier part of the whole fucking process

>>14876862
They make you solve programming puzzles in job interviews. They want to see that you know about complex algorithms and how to solve problems.

>>14879162
So what's your contribution at your job to make you worth over 200k?

>>14879250
She has some meat on her thighs and you tell she has a soft and squishy tummy. She's a hearty girl and that's a good thing.

>>14879462
Not much. Internal systems are very complicated. Expected ramp up time is half a year. My team works on one of the streaming services here

>>14879250
That is actually the perfect amount of thiccness. HOLY FUCK IM SO HORNY AND LONELY

>>14879462
But also remember I am in a super high cost of living area where cheap rent for a studio apartment is $2k+ monthly, so you are not exactly living how you would be on that salary in the midwest

>>14879533
I don't know how job markets are in the USA, but in Europe even senior developers living in Switzerland wouldn't be making that kind of money.

>>14879574
This is not anywhere in the US, this is Bay Area, big tech companies pay probably the most in this locale and thus our home prices are among the highest in the world. Ask a single guy with 150k salary here if he is considering buying a house soon and he will laugh and think you are making fun of him. Median house price in Palo alto is $3M.

>>14876862
bad idea. Although it depends on your intelligence/inherent ability to grasp coding. I personally graduated a coding bootcamp (barely eeked by) and realized it wasnt for me. Coding is not as straightforward and simple as you think, you have to keep track of a lot of spinning plates in the air, its not simple 1+1. Going into the coding bootcamp I had the misperception that coding was just a matter of applying yourself and rote memorization but it actually requires a lot more than that. Coding is definitely not for everyone and the only person who could get a job pretending that they know how to code would probably have started learning to code already years ago

>>14880620
>you have to keep track of a lot of spinning plates in the air,
>has also be able to follow logic

So why do so many programmers whine they can't do math?

>>14876862
That could work if all you do is Quality Assurance. You'd be fucked within three days as a Software Developer

Go ahead and start your career of 50 years in QA testing, if this is your attitude, you pathetic weasel. Go ahead.

Well, if you want to learn the basics, this is a start...

https://coinbase.com
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/invite/8b3jmgd4

https://coinbase.com
/earn/xlm
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>>14880664
usually when these kind of people say they cant do math they dont literally mean they can't do math, they just mean that they're not a math whiz. they're still usually decent with numbers

I on the other hand am absolutely abysmal with math, and this inability to keep track of multiple abstractions in mind mind carries over to programming as well, keeping me from being able to do that

>>14877734
mira como te invierto mi arbol roji-negro en español

>>14877463
Even if you made I through the interview how would you keep your job? I am not arguing that programming is easy or not but telling you that you have to at least know what your doing

>>14879117
Do you need a fresh google profile for this?

They'll phone interview you first, find your full of shit, and that's it.

>>14876862
It will be literally impossible for you to fake coding skills enough to get a job, or even an internship.

Even if you somehow manage to to fool HR or recruiters, bungle your way through a phone interview, charm your way through an in-person interview:....

A: There's almost ALWAYS a code challenge of some kind as part of the interview process. You'd easily fail it if you don't know shit.

B: Programmers are literally not retarded and we can EASILY tell when someone doesn't know shit. You'd get canned in a week.

>>14877734
i have a degree in cs and i cant do that lol red black trees and most of my cs knowledge is useless for actual projects. just write a website or an app

You fucking pajeet

Honestly, be a "web designer" for small businesses and fuck around with nulled themes in wordpress, easiest money ever. Ask 400$ for a website you finish in a day. If you want to build up near passive income you can offer service contracts and resell hosting.

>>14877324
CE and EE folks call CS codemonkeys for just implementing existing algorithms they got from stackoverflow instead of actually using your brain doing low level programming

Truth to the matter is, if you can't even write your own compiler, you're probably just writing the same code millions of other people have written years ago and are as useful to the company as a quick google search.

If you want to be taken seriously, take the effort to learn about hardware and low level languages. Also the only way to avoid being replaced by a streetshitter

>>14877347
Noted thanks anon

>>14876862
>>14879250
the perfect phenotype

>>14876862

Pretty much impossible. The number of things you need to know is insane. You will fuck up on the jargon immediately. At least read up on the basics of inputstreams, outputstreams and file locks or something, you're going to get hurt otherwise.

>>14878312

Haha no, you're expected to have programming experience. What you learn during an internship is how the specific software the company makes works. Programming is just translating processes into something a computer can process. Defining what a program should and should not do is where it gets tricky.

>>14879574

In the EU, the top programmers make maybe 4k after taxes so only 48k eur annually

They'd probably figure you out relatively quickly if they interviewed you. You also have to br able to explain programming theory and reasons for technical decisions you made during any projects you built

>>14886953
At least in germany CS is like 50% math degree and we programmed in a 5 day course

>>14876862
Its easy to fake when dealing with HR and Project managers. You'll get outed if they bring in one of your potential coworkers during the interview and they realize you don't know shit about programming. Depending on the coworker's level of apathy toward the project and their own job security, they might let you slide just so that they can have some extra hands around to do the bitch work.

>>14877098
And then you get asked to program a simple recursive function and you're thrown out the door in two minutes because you can only read code and aren't able to apply programming concepts.

>>14876862
Another garbage.
Throw yourself out are you kind.