/biz/ - Business & Finance

Based and blupilled to think the top elites aren't going to kill off the worthless goyim and leave only sex slaves and sacrifices once machines take over.

Look if i wanna take 10h to cook lunch to someone so he takes 3h to eat it and pays me while i fuck his wife in the bathroom... whats the added value to the economy?

Then imagine your gf friends want to cook for you and then they both blow you in the kitchen

>>15772522
there will be a new renaissance period.

>>15772536
or this.

>>15772522
>humans are free to do only interesting jobs/acitivites with their lives
Why would having robots enable that? You dont make or repair or reprogram the robots, why would the robot's owner give you what his robot made? Robots doing the menial jobs doesn't mean you get everything, it means you get nothing. The powers that be will make sure you're not around anymore and they'll convince you to want it.

>don't have kids
>drink this sperm killing drink
>fight for Israel
>whoops genetically targeted disease got loose lol my bad

>>15772522
Robots already do all the shitty jobs, it's called goyim. People with brains graduate to neets, at least

>>15772713
>Why would having robots enable that? You dont make or repair or reprogram the robots, why would the robot's owner give you what his robot made? Robots doing the menial jobs doesn't mean you get everything, it means you get nothing.

That's the point, under our current best system everyone would starve (including you and me) except the few who own robots. So what is a workable economic solution that stops this happening? Is our ultimate aim as a society to cause everyone to die off except the elites?

You faggots really think its that easy? You know what happens then is I get a bunch of normies, turn them into neoluddites, and make sure everyone who doesnt swear their servitude is forced to do menial repetitive tasks that a robot could do, then I commit war.

You need a white ethnostate for this to ever be possible.

You need to soften national boarders for sure. Maybe some kind of temporary socialist government in the interim to move from the currency based economy to the resource based economy.

Resource based enconomy is the only way forward, but I don't like the growing pains of all the scummy socialist globohomo shit that would happen inbetween, it makes it so unpalatable that even though this is the only way for the whole planet to not die, it still seems unworth it.

>>15772803
>the few who own robots
Well there you go. Buy a robot.

Or rather, buy a share of the company that owns/operates the robots, and relax on the dividends for the rest of your life. Pass the shares on to your progeny. The obsolescence of human labor is inevitable. Ownership of capital is the only out.

P.S. you'll also be stuck paying UBI for all the lowlife scum that didn't invest. Hopefully you're smart enough to sterilize them so you can live in peace.

>>15772522
A return to a form of feudalism

>>15773256
>Well there you go. Buy a robot.
>Or rather, buy a share of the company that owns/operates the robots, and relax on the dividends for the rest of your life.

And having eliminated 99% of unproductive humanity and control of society now belongs to the one who owns the most efficient robot, you'll just be gobbled up by a bigger fish. You're saying the only way to thrive in our system is to be the last man standing basically.

>>15773205 This guy is getting at the problem.

>>15772522
Shill communism and hope that enough people will pick it up to start a revolution to kill off the people that are responsible for creating machines that would take away our jobs and create a law where no robots will ever be created for automating jobs.

>>15773491
Then we're stuck back doing shitty jobs most of us really don't want to be doing because we banned all the robots from doing it.

The goal is to try and get a system where robots do all the jobs and humanity is free to thrive rather than be made unemployed and starve until it happens to all of us but a few gigaelites.

Why dont leftypol faggots kill themselves already?

>>15773491
>Create a revolution to take the world's resources in your own hands, and rather than give it to the masses to liberate everyone from scarcity and labor, destroy it instead and ensure that everyone is equally enslaved into a world of endless stagnation, shortage, and slavery
Leftists, everyone

>>15773205
Do what this nig says, add ai.
>ai allocates resources
>picks what industries countries specialise
>controls our political environment
>kids get taught better this is a must
Most evil 'inherent' in people is learned and can sometimes unlearned

>>15772522
I honestly cannot see how this would work. I've thought about it a lot, but can't think of any positive outcome for the population.
If automation eliminates all demand for unskilled laborers, then what will happen? The only thing I can think of is an "automation tax" which will charge a fraction wage for each automated service you offer, so for instance, if you own a mcdonalds, and you have 4 automated staff in the kitchen, the tax would be something like 1/4th or 1/2 of the minimum wage. These taxes would then go into things like supplementary security funds which would be given to people as a baseline income to sustain themselves. Anyone unemployed would be entitled to this.

But this would also create problems if there wasn't enough money to pay to people.

>>15772522
Basically Mars.

We won’t ever terraform Mars, let’s get that clear. Mars is good because it’s not Earth, you can pollute as much as you want there. Dump waste into pits, crash asteroids into it, run everything off nuclear power and if the reactor blows up, bury it and build another one a couple miles away. Slowly start transferring all of our industrial processes off to the red planet. Mars, after a few decades, becomes a factory planet populated by robot workers with minimal human supervision.

The best part is, nobody on earth wants to know how the sausage is made and as long as the environment is getting better and those cool rocket ships with the Amazon symbol on the side keep delivering high tech gadgets, at unusually low cost, the red planet will be just some place you hear about on the news.

Meanwhile, you “terraform” earth and transition all the layabouts into workfare projects that are centered around agriculture and what amounts to really advanced landscaping. eventually most people will just be well payed part time gardeners without even noticing the robot revolution.

>>15773662
You could vary the tax rate to ensure there's always enough money to pay people? After all, businesses could afford to fully subsidise workers directly in the past (wages), so why couldn't they fully subsidise robots, except the robots' subsidy is then taxed and given to people via the state?

If the model is executed successfully hopefully enough free people add to the economy of their own free that the baseline is always kept that people have enough money for their cost of living, until the robot tech gets so good that even this literally isn't needed. I'm just toying with ideas.

>>15772678
ME WANT

>>15772803
Transition everyone to be self sustainable. That is the most fault tolerant solution in any scenario.

>>15772522

>>15772522
>2019
>not reading Post Scarcity Anarchism by Murray Bookchin

Luxury space hedonistic communism

>>15772522
>lump of labor fallacy

>>15772522
>How do you successfully transfer an economy to one where robots do all the shit jobs and humans are free to do only interesting jobs/acitivites with their lives?

Create FAI

>>15772522
tax on land plus UBI

>>15772522
That's easy.

What you do is import another civilisation, instigate hostilities and sit back as they mutually destroy eachother.

Then you reap the benefits of automation without having all those additional useless eaters interfering with your planet.

>>15774632
That fallacy only applies if you are a person saying that adding more "worker" robots automatically reduces available labour for humans. The opening post doesn't do that. It only implies that a reduction in available labour is one possibility from automation in the right circumstances (in this case given enough time and enough robotic advancement), which is perfectly true.

>>15772522
https://youtu.be/ZTwObRUxQhE

Find yourself at the top of the heap and sterilize everyone else. Even if automation is everything it's cracked up to be there's no getting around having to enact some sort of limit to keep the population from growing to resource/robot capacity, and by extension individuals ceding their autonomy to whatever system is in place. People meme about hating kids and not wanting to have them but I think if the government came out tomorrow and announced that everyone is getting mandatory sterilizations to keep the population from growing while the current people will simply continue to be fed until they die naturally many would suddenly have a very different perspective on the issue. If the current anti-reproduction marketing continues to be effective it may not need to be that overt, but perhaps it won't be enough. It should be interesting in the coming years.

>>15773692
This is the most well thought out plan I've ever heard on biz

>>15772522
Tax the robots and redistribute the earnings

vote yang

>>15773692
not bad.

meanwhile i believe that if we're gonna survive the years of deflation that is bound to occur (robots should be able to make everything cheaper, if not-- then how the hell would it replace human labor to begin with) and the crushing unemployment-- we'll need to consume more cultural goods, specifically digital goods to pick up the slack. I mean since everyone gets bored right away, why not take advantage of the human race's ennui to make more and more stupid entertainment and "art" for people to enjoy? Think about it, video games for rich people, middle class people, and poor people (i mean if you look at mobile games vs. console vs. pc games) and that's just for video games. And more porn. Definitely a lot more porn, and a million belle delphine's that'll save the economy until we get to star trek utopia

Will we finally stop importing immigrants to do the shitty jobs?

>>15772522
Communism

blackpill: 99% of the world population is useless. most jobs as it is are either pretend jobs, or performed at a fraction of the efficiency it could be
a mostly automated economy would simply result in more fake jobs. in most first world countries, you can very easily get on neetbux or other government help and only pursue interesting activities. but most people watch porn and netflix, and wagecuck so they can spend more on useless shit

>most men's only value is their ability to provide economically
>haha what if we just get rid of that entirely

What could go wrong?

>>15772522
Automation is a meme.
Daily reminder that the average amerimutt today literally spends MORE time at work than a medieval peasant.

The elite will ALWAYS find something to keep the pleb on a leash, for that they need the carrot (entertainment) and the stick (wageslaving).
The explosion of bullshit jobs in HR and management is not a coincidence, it's the beginning of the trend.

Letting people too much time and too much independance is the recipe for them to challenge the current order, while a wageslave coming out of his soul crushing 8 hours office droning is too much out of energy to do anything but consume his mindless entertainment.

>>15777000
>star trek utopia
Absolute delusion

>>15772536
You truly overestimate the elite.

>>15774942
People already don't have children, only sandniggers and niggers reproduce like rabbits and they're only allowed in because of (((their))) atavism to subvert

Well at that point, reproduction limits need to be in place. We don't need more niggers

>>15773205
>resource based economy
So feudalism? What if you're born a serf who doesn't own property? Any society without opportunity for upward movement doesn't deserve to exist.

>>15777484
or they have children