/biz/ - Business & Finance

I've been feeling pretty flaccid the past few days, fellas.

>>16313167

>>16313181
same

A lot of money flowing through cityonchain this week.

>>16313181
>>16313228
"Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."

>>16313254
How do other cities get created?

>>16313262
They had an initial list of cities which they sold for $1 each. Most were picked up in the first day and the owners set the new prices.

More cities may be added later but no specific details on that have been announced yet

>>16313254
I really don't understand the value proposition of CoC. People buying up Paymails are also dumb. Not because Paymail isn't cool, but because it's open source and no business is going to buy your fucking Paymail address.

>>16313274
Thanks. I suppose I'll stick to buying moneybutton domains

>>16313287
It's a location based information exchange platform. Classifieds, event listings, message boards, OTA, etc.

Imagine combining craigslist, meetup, tripadvisor, all the facebook groups for your city your local city subreddit, etc. People pay to submit content and the revenue goes to you as the city owner. And everyone uses it because it has the most high quality information (paying to submit information deters spam and fraud)

>>16313360
Sounds stupid as fuck. The only people who would pay to say anything would be people that benefit from such ads. Literally just recreating the ad based bullshit craig says he wants to get away from.

>>16313360
I just think it's trying to plug into a user base that doesn't exist and I don't think a smorgasbord of services is going to out compete specialists. I also don't think front end services like this are going to be the catalyst for adoption either. I think it'll be back end business solutions that drive it. Bitcoin needs to solve problems by using its network and the people or organizations using it can't be worried about price. They just need to know that it costs x amount of BSV to use a service on the network and price of the coin itself would be an afterthought.

>>16313360

Cityonchain is interesting because it is attempting to map the real world onto BSV

Eventually someone will figure out a cool application for this

I have 100 paymail domains

>>16305226

>>16313287
They think they are investors into this whereby in reality they are the actual end-consumers. There’s no actual demand for this bullshit. Your guess is correct anon.

>>16313287
>but because it's open source and no business is going to buy your fucking Paymail address
Businesses or major brands might not, but individuals and normans who don't want to have to pay for and set up their own paymail will use moneybutton paymails. So bagholding paymail accounts probably wont generate a ton of money but they'll still be sellable IMO.

>>16315094
i get free paymail with simply cash kek

>>16313254
It's picked up again after that interview with Ivy Dang came out on coingeek's youtube. I sold another one yesterday, down to 162 now :'(
>>16313262
Theyre compiling a list of other cities to be added but no idea when. Theyre currently focusing on the mobile version of the site and building the Classified Info section which IMO is one of the most important features.
>>16313396
Never gonna make it
>>16313405
Specialists like cregslist are full of spam and fraud, CoC will practically eliminate this.
>>16314053
Right. There's a lot of potential.

>>16315175
That's pretty based. I never understood the point of coc either, but now it makes a bit more sense.

Is BitCoin goin up or down? I'm afraid to open the charts

>>16315226
oh sorry, I didn't mean to put sage as my username. Just forgot to remove it from yesterday

>>16315175
BitCoin future is in iot to carry raspberry pie data

Guys can we talk about this??

Who did he meet with, and what did they discuss? Republican, Democrat or Bi-partisan interest, any guesses?

>>16315569
Probably just met with lobbyists to try bribe some shit through

there was a convo in the last BSVG last night about spam transactions. unfortunately I was banned and couldnt participate. so you faggots can keep playing dumb but the fact is 99% of tx on BSV are not payment transactions they are just storing data and retarded shit on the blockchain this is the definition of spam BSV should be for PAYMENTS not for hosting your retarded weather data, the actual usage for payments is miniscule as you can see on bitblocks you faggots. this is literally a ponzi to blow up a bloated blockchain and emulate real usage when all you do is spam it with useless data.

>>16315569
Well jimmy is the head of the Bitcoin Association and part of what they do is consulting stuff. Jimmy is a lawyer so my guess is he is helping the government to understand bitcoin and how it should/could be regulated under existing law. He has stated publicly before that he has helped many governments around the world to review/help create a legislative framework. I suspect this is the same thing

>>16315598
>wall of text
>I decide what people can and can't send on bitcoin
>wall of text
cool story bro. Start your own thread

>>16315598
i think they want to prove that big blocks are not insecure like BTC and some BCH'ers told us, so whats the best proof? show it ! and they show us everyday that a network can handle this kind of blocks without struggle or money at risk. adoption for payments will come but only if CSW stops with the law above code bullshit.
CODE IS WORLDWIDE EQUAL
- LAW IS NATIONAL

if he keeps pushing this stupid CIA LAW ABOVE ALL crap the chain will be a ghosttown

>>16315619
like literally look at the screencap if youre too retarded to read three lines of text. the majority of tx on BSV are not payment tx and then you faggots have the nerve to brag about your big blockchain and high tx count when its all just useless data. you are the ones who love to quote the whitepaper and as far as I recall its defined as "peer 2 peer electronic cash" not as "filecoin where you can dump all your useless shit"

>>16315607
So you think he met with regulators and gov agencies rather than politicians? That would make sense.

>>16315653
>So you think he met with regulators and gov agencies rather than politicians? That would make sense.
I would think both as they are both involved in making new laws. And it is not so much about making new laws, but understanding how existing law applies to bitcoin. There is a lot of misconceptions about bitcoin, also among government officials.

I actually believe Craig is working with Federal law enforcement behind the scenes to help them take down the crypto scams. That is why he always seem in the loop about what is going down.

This video for example, he talks like as if he literally works for the criminal division of the FBI or Interpol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMB1K4w-wRk

>>16315676
>I actually believe Craig is working with Federal law enforcement behind the scenes to help them take down the crypto scams. That is why he always seem in the loop about what is going down.
Yeah, he probably does. He has also written blogposts about his past (before bitcoin) as an IT forensic expert working for all sorts of agencies. I would think he also was a big part of the silk road take down

>>16315626
>CODE IS WORLDWIDE EQUAL
>- LAW IS NATIONAL
worse:
laws and regulation are local blockchain burdens are global. totally different shit is illegal in each country. but brainlet self certified lawyers are too stupid to get this. in some countries a content is perfectly legal or unregulated grey area and in an other it's a crime that will get you instantly vanned.

>>16315676
Brock Pierce founded Tether, was caught up in a Hollywood pedophile ring scandal, known to rub shoulders with convicted pedophile Jeffery Epstein, active member of the Clinton Global Initiative, and received millions of dollars of investments from Goldman Sachs.

>>16315708
>On that date, as emails were flying between Epstein’s lawyers and federal prosecutors, Bruce E. Reinhart, now a federal magistrate, opened a limited liability company in Florida that established what would become his new criminal defense practice.

>The stated address, according to Florida state corporate records: 250 South Australian Ave., Suite 1400. It was the same location, and identical suite number, as that of Epstein’s lead attorney, Jack Goldberger.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article232595847.html

>>16315598

>>16315687
> I would think he also was a big part of the silk road take down

Right. And didn't it come out in the court documents that he also helped put Paul Leroux behind bars? There is so much going on with Craig that we don't know, the guy is an absolute legend.

>>16315708
It all comes together nicely. The judge telling Craig he had to pay Ira Kleiman half of the satoshi coin is the same judge that let Epstein off the hook if I remember correctly. And now tether is funding Peter McCoremack in this court fight against Craig

>>16315722
And there it is. Thank you

>>16315699
checked this entire idea of storing data on a global public ledger is just completely retarded. it opens up an entire can of legal nightmares that has never been adressed by BSVers. Craig was mumbling about blockchain pruning and double hash mining but even if you prune the blockchain for public consumption the content will still be hosted in some data centre that falls under legal jurisdiction. turning bitcoin into filecoin was a colossal fuckup and it will catch up with BSV eventually.

>>16315729
>And didn't it come out in the court documents that he also helped put Paul Leroux behind bars?
YES! Exactly right. In the documents they had redacted Paul's name (for craig's safety I think), but one place they had overlooked and not redacted the name

>>16315728
nice cherrypicking but everytime I open that website payments are way less than 10% of real usage. majority of the tx volume and blocksize comes from data spam and thats a fact. the current average blocksize would be impressive if it was all made up from actual payments but spamming the chain with weatherdata and then bragging about the tx volume is just retarded.

>>16315722
Right, I know about the Reinhart/Epstein connection, it's shady as fuck.

Did anyone else see the thread the other day about a supposed Satoshi book? Pic related.

I tried to find more info about it, it sounded interesting as fuck. Anyone have more leads on this? It seems to relate to the whole Qanon connection as well, but with a more esoteric angle.

>>16315746
also unnecessary if you only want immutability.
you could just store magnet uris for content on the blockchain.

bsv is run by criminal queers

>>16315765
also you can't distinguish real payments from miners (coingeek, svpool, etc...) fucking around between their own wallets to spoof volume for free.

>>16315779
hmm, I just brushed that post off as larp, but on a second look it is interesting. Craig has said he will publish several books next year so who knows. I might be an anon who got hold of the cover and just larping with it

>>16315765
I literally screen capped it and uploaded it you moron. Watched it go from 1 > 99% within 30 seconds.

>>16315765

>>16315900
keep watching anon it pops up to 99% for short moments but always goes back down under 10% msot of the tx have come from preev and weathersv for weeks and months on end.

>>16315864
yes it's all true the illuminati ninjas elected trump who will surely bestow the mantle of satoy on creg in a grand ceremony where he is revealed as the second cooming

>>16315864
I don't know, those bulletpoints have so much overlap with Q it's ridiculous. Sounds very plausible especially in light of Craig stating he's writing his Magnum Opus next year.

For some reason that single post, LARP or not, excited me a lot. I wish the anon would come back and elaborate.

I really don't think we know who Craig REALLY is. He is an almost unbelievable character just from what's in the public alone, let alone all the stuff we don't know.

Anyone remember Ryan who had his religious experience and felt compelled to actually ask Craig if he was Jesus reincarnated??? This is highly unusual, I mean Ryan is an intelligent man driven by logic. He has a physics degree etc. and only very very few people can have that effect. Personally I have also felt drawn to him ever since I discovered him in 2015, yet I have never met the guy in person.

I truly believe there is something special about Craig that we don't fully understand yet.

>>16316036
>I don't know, those bulletpoints have so much overlap with Q it's ridiculous
Yes, and then you have pic related

>I truly believe there is something special about Craig that we don't fully understand yet.
He is insanely intelligent and combined with his insane focus and insane work capacity you have the recipe of something out of this world. A man like this is born maybe once every 1000 years. He is something special and he work for the good side. He hates criminal scum and his revenge and blood thirst is high, and he seems to love the process of plotting, scheming and laying plans that will take decades to fulfill. He likes his revenge served cold, not warm. He is an extremely dangerous man.

>>16316036
>He is an almost unbelievable character
no he is a completely unbelievable character

>>16316518
Thanks AB. I was actually looking for this as it is relevant for what's currently discussed in this bsvg. Hope you post the rest

>>16316533
Don't you have an artificial hole to expand somewhere, trannyboy?

>>16316556
>Don't you have an artificial hole to expand somewhere, trannyboy?
BASED!

>>16315892
where is this screenshot from?

>>16315629
what abt ethereum

>>16314071
Buy stockholm for 3000

>>16316518
>avaloq
OH NO NO NOOOOO now I see why the lead shareholder is selling off his 45%

>>16316556
only if i can dig it into your retarded cashie skull

>>16316036
>I have read and remember 15500 books thus far
this lad is an absolute genius holy fuck

>>16315765
MOMMMMY!!! THE BLOCKCHAIN IS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE FOR PAYMENTS!!!!
>meanwhile in corecamp
please use your credit card for all payments

>>16317322
>this lad is an absolute genius holy fuck
he is
He is. He even listens to audio books at 3x speed. Sometimes I wish I was artistic like him. Maybe I need to take more vacations

>>16317400
>muh corecamp
nice strawman but where did I say core is good? they are just as retarded as BSV. why not just use big blocks for what bitcoin was intended for? p2p decentralized cash not store-all-your-useless-shit-onchain

>>16317417
open your mind to the possibilities fren. bch ideology is compatible with bsv, bsv just wants to take things a step further.

Giving this based general a bump

>>16316129

Based

Roger with the Hail Mary play.

>>16313360
there is a telegram group anon, write this explanation there, so the devs might get new ideas.
>holding 95 cities

>>16318226
Shite wheres bsv ecosystem fund???

>>16317417
>why not just use big blocks for what bitcoin was intended for?
simple three reasons: 1) it doesn't actually scale in a trustless permissionless and secure manner despite what cashies think. 2) spam and dos protection. 3) fees need to take over subsidy and for that a fee market is necessary.

>>16317483
no bsv just want full retard in every which way.

>>16318347

We don't need one

>>16318437
Everyone will build for free, i see, thanks anon. Can´t wait for 10 TB blocks, gonna build a server farm in my garden to have my own node. will be nice to look at all that data.

>>16318352
>3) fees need to take over subsidy and for that a fee market is necessary.

lol no. Large transaction volume is necessary. You had 10 years to learn how Bitcoin works and you failed. Now the adults take over.

Anyone seen this?

>>16318826

No, they'll just make a lot more money on BSV

>>16313167

>1 BCH = 0.03 BTC

>1 BSV = 0.44 BCH

>1 BSV = 0.013 BTC

SHITCOINS
That is all you need to know.

satoshisvision.com

>>16319607
they didn't even let him in as visitor lol

>>16319099
F U C K I N G B A S E D

>>16319099
>Large transaction volume is necessary.
never gonna get so large in time

>>16319099
i mean i have no argument against that pic, i just don't see it work out for sv. a unit of infinite space is infinitely cheap.

>>16319987
>>16319992
Transaction volume on BSV is literally growing exponentially as we speak.

>>16320153
Keep in mind you are looking at a logarithmic scale.

10x, 20x, 30x, 40x, 50x

vs

10x, 100x, 1000x, 10.000x, 100.000x

>>16320153
it's all bullshit subsidy just in different form. also the transacted usd value and the fee rewards for miners per block between the chains is exactly why i'm extremely bearish on sv and it's scaling approach.

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/sentinusd-btc-bsv.html#log
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc-bsv.html#log

>>16320164
it's not looking good m8 at all but to see the picture absolutely clear we need to go through one or two more halving.

>>16315569
>>16315607
>>16315653
Shit's just hype. He has only posed for pictures in public areas. He clearly hasn't met with anyone.

>>16320234
he is no longer announcing announcements just hinting that there would be shit that they could announce to announce.

>>16315629
>like literally

>>16315765
How is Weather SV not payments? I spent five bucks on that shit.

>>16316036
Qoomers get the rope.

>>16318352
>fees need to take over subsidy and for that a fee market is necessary

Imagine believing the world is going to adopt your new money system when only a handful of people are able to transact on it at a time.

If small blocks were actually the way Bitcoin reaches the masses then the tech is a complete dead end. Especially when every system proposed to scale small blocks involves not using the blockchain at all, at which point "using" it in the first place is fucking stupid and a complete waste of everyone's time.

>>16320461
>when only a handful of people are able to transact on it at a time.
that won't be a problem long term. bitcoin will increase the block size limit just only so that the blocks are always remain full.

>>16319992
>a unit of infinite space is infinitely chea
Unbounded doesn't mean infinite. Are you literally denying physics right now? Abundance also doesn't mean free. BSV blocks aren't full or anywhere near full and transactions still have a cost.

>>16320191
>also the transacted usd value and the fee rewards for miners per block between the chains is exactly why i'm extremely bearish on sv and it's scaling approach.

Yeah I would be too if I expected the next year and every year after to look exactly like it does now. You're expecting no growth, except in price.

>>16320464
Great, I can't wait for great leader to decide for everyone when its time to rise the blocksize. We can't have miners deciding on their own what blocksize they want. That would create a free market and that's just bad.

>>16320516
>You're expecting no growth
i think most of the tx volume right now is bullshit and yes i don't see any reason why any real adoption would go their way. so it's bearish as fuck. they would need to get about a 1000 times more tx per block to to get on bitcoins level till the next halving after it the goalpost moves again.
simply not realistic. nor would the network function well if they tried to push it.

>>16320540
>We can't have miners deciding on their own what blocksize they want.
no sadly it's not possible
>That would create a free market and that's just bad.
it would create an inverse fee market you will see how that ends up for sv.

>>16320602
>no sadly it's not possible
lol, why not? Miners are already doing this on BitCoin

>>16320617
exactly and it will fucking suck maybe you will see it more clearly in 2020 may

>>16320594
You wrote all of this just to tell me you don't expect any growth except for price. BTC is an absolute dead end.

>>16320602
>not possible
wrong
>an inverse fee market
It's just low fees, man. It's how the system is designed to work, otherwise it doesn't work at all and should be abandoned.

>>16320630
>exactly and it will fucking suck
So what you said was wrong and now you are moving the goal post. You said it was impossible

>>16320636
>BTC is an absolute dead end.
on the contrary it's the only fork i expect to actually survive.
>It's just low fees, man
very bearish
>otherwise it doesn't work at all and should be abandoned
wrong, the system works better if there is competition for the block space. provides a more healthy adoption attitude where actual value gets transacted on the chain.

>>16320651
>inb4 he wasn't actually saying it was impossible

>>16320651
no what i said is correct. impossible for miners to do it right. maybe i should have been more specific. they can but their incentives are all wrong. and bitcoin is all about providing the proper incentives for the health security and stability of the system.
miners either can't regulate the blocksize or can only regulate it on the majority hash chain by carteling up.

>>16320661
well here is the deal, it's impossible under the traditional mining theory. it's possible if they form a cartel involving more than 51% hash. it's impossible for sv possible for btc but we don't ever want the miners to cartel up. we want them in cutthroat competition. but whatever i know you guys don't mind complete centralization.

>>16320656
>the only fork i expect to actually survive
Survive for why? Nobody is going to adopt a system that breaks down when more than a handful of people use it at a time.

>very bearish
again your high time preference is showing. Low fees are only bearish if you expect everything to remain static and no adoption or growth except in price.

>competition for the block space
I need to pay for my kid's food. I don't have time or money to compete just to get a transaction though. That's completely ridiculous and delusional, to think people would adopt this.

>>16320670
>bitcoin is all about providing the proper incentives
>USERS HAVE TO COMPETE TO USE THE SYSTEM

>>16320700
Stop cope posting, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

Did anyone save the original crypto brownpill audio with sitar background music? Vocaroo link is now dead.

>>16320806
Sadly no. I have been looking for it a long time. I can't even find the one without the sitar. It was removed from youtube

>>16320670
>no what i said is correct. impossible for miners to do it right
That is not what you said. You said it is impossible

>>16320720
>breaks down
rofl
>Low fees are only bearish if you expect everything to remain static and no adoption or growth except in price.
i explained to you tx count which is inflated as shit and not showing real adoption would need to be increased by a few magnitudes and still wouldn't be able to keep up with btc.
bearish af
>Stop cope posting
sv cucks are the ones coping in the face or insurmountable odds. you are also trying too hard. just because i did not express myself properly in one post doesn't mean i'm not completely right.

>>16320842
yes and then i corrected it and explained what i meant about impossible. pretty clearly i might add.

>>16320863
You haven't expressed yourself properly in multiple posts apparently.

You can argue all you like about "muh spam" that costs money, but that doesn't take away from the fact that BTC is a shitcoin that doesn't scale and has no real future in being disruptive tech.

If you want to make the argument that BTC's use case is speculation then I'll agree, but it's certainty not money. I don't have to compete with others when I hand someone a twenty dollar bill. Nobody will adopt a "cash system" that puts them out of more time and money than alternatives.

>SV is up against insurmountable odds
So is BTC. At least BSV has the tools to defy those odds.

>>16320831
All those shitposts lost... like tears in the rain.

>>16320410
Kike.

>>16320870
>yes and then i corrected it and explained what i meant about impossible
No, you said what you said was correct. Then you moved the goal post right after hoping I wouldn't notice. You are very dishonest

>>16320670
>what i said is correct
>impossible for miners to do it right

>>16320968
WOW satoshi got HOT!!!

>>16321007
>No, you said what you said was correct.
it is correct.
>Then you moved the goal post right after hoping I wouldn't notice.
nope i explained why it's correct.
>You are very dishonest
bullshit you are just a sore loser

>>16320915
>At least BSV has the tools to defy those odds
no it definitely doesn't have them. most importantly it doesn't have the hash to secure itself from threats. and it tossed it's only shield the block limit also.

>>16320602
>inverse fee market
oh boy this is rich. Ive seen a lot of gobbledeegook from corecucks but this one really takes the cake
"hey anon do you realize that wal mart actually is a shit company. they are selling goods at a REVERSE PREMIUM. can you imagine? lmao like any day a stalmart could come in and just sell stuff at a higher price andt hey would be out of business."

>>16320806

I have it on my desktop

>>16320915
>Nobody will adopt a "cash system" that puts them out of more time and money than alternatives.
well if it's the only trustless permissionless and secure cash system they will.
there are plenty alts (thousands upon thousands to be exact) that transact cheaper than btc yet btc is still valued highest and the most coveted asset and most prestigious way to transact.

if you seriously think that offering cheaper transactions than btc is a way to break btc dominance i got news for you: time to wake the fuck up.

if you think you can co-opt bitcoin by these silly shitforks also got news for you. not gonna happen. not in a billion years.

>>16321398
see>>16320661
You're full of shit kys. You got called out and not only backpedaled but denied and I said that you would before you did. It's almost like its expected.

>>16321433
Again, high time preference. You're assuming the world is static and if it was I would agree with you. However it's not. Things change and you're failing to plan for the future. Also miners clearly aren't interested in attacking SV, they have only grown in support of it by mining it.

How is block limit suppose to keep it more secure? I can't wait for you to backpedal this one too.

>>16321495
>You got called out and not only backpedaled but denied and I said that you would before you did.
no. it's impossible. where i was actually wrong is when i agreed with you when you said sv miners manage the block size. they don't and can't. ie they manage it by not managing it. so fuck off!

>>16320164

That's exactly what he said. Linear growth on a logarithmic scale means exponential growth.

>>16321493
Look at the dominance chart, pleb. Pretty much the exact moment BTC hit a scaling cap alts took off. Literally the only reason alts have ANY relevance at all is because BTC was kneecapped in both scale and utility.

Just because it's still chugging along in the early stages doesn't mean it will going forward and really there's no reason for it to. It doesn't provide any use case other than hodling and speculation. Business CANNOT use this shit. Whether it be for payments, applications, or back end systems. It simply doesn't work as a cash system that is described in the whitepaper.

It's going to be a lot of savvy people and businesses that drive this tech forward, not faggy hodlers.

>>16321523
The absolute state of this shitposter.

>>16321603
Take another glance - I was replying to myself to clarify, friend.

>>16321665
This guy gets it.

>>16321665
> Pretty much the exact moment BTC hit a scaling cap alts took off. Literally the only reason alts have ANY relevance at all is because BTC was kneecapped in both scale and utility.

Yep. Pic related.

>>16321885
And another.

>>16321793
no he doesn't but he will next year

>>16321885
i would argue that the market cap of alts is a mirage much more than bitcoins. also there are tens of thousands of alts. if you look at the valuation of the top coins in btc you will see that btc never really lost any dominance in the long term (short term it did had a shakedown sure) it's just the number of shitcoins literally exploded.

>>16321942
>mental gymnastics the post

>>16321965
whatever you want to call it, i don't actually see bitcoins position weakened by what i see on coinmarketcap. it was part "alt season" frenzy part desperate search for alternatives giving launch to a billion scams 99.99% of them turning to dust. i mean for fucks sake, the top 10 coins have 3 btc fork and tether which is basically not even a real crypto. monero is not even in the top 10 which is weird as fuck... because if bitcoin has a serious contender it's monero.

>>16322138
>desperate search for alternatives
Which pretty much exclusively occurred because of BTC being limited. The three Bitcoin forks being in the top 10 is indicative of the market realizing the rest of them are absolute scams with nothing to offer. As for Monero, it's the only alternative to Bitcoin. Everything else is pointless.

>>16322183
>Which pretty much exclusively occurred because of BTC being limited.
it was over-hyped the market sorted out itself pretty fast imo. a few brainlets insist on everything is lost. i realized a few things bitcoin doesn't even need to scale to do it's thing. interestingly scaling is optional for extremely bullish price action. the other part is blockstream devs arguments make a lot of fucking sense in face of new trend evidence.

so yeah bullish on bitcoin bearish on shitforks. i will adjust my attitude if new trends or evidence show up.

>>16322275
ps: please don't post quotes from luke the spastic idiot i don't deserve that punishment!

>>16322275
>bitcoin doesn't even need to scale to do it's thing
>global cash system works best when only three people a second can do a transaction out of the billions who inhabit the planet
>blockstream devs arguments make a lot of fucking sense

Top wew lad.

>>16322324
no i meant bitcoin doesn't need to be a cash system to be extremely successful. that would be a big plus but also optional. if it's a global trustless permisionless and secure settlement layer under several layers built on top of it it's still worthwhile.

blockstream devs explained perfectly well why unbound blocks are a bad idea. used to think they pulled things out of their ass but i think they actually put a lot of work into exploring scenarios. doesn't mean bitcoin can't fail it's just their arguments are so far supported by trends.

>>16322360
lmao imagine being this retarded.

>>16322475
you still got half a year to buy the real bitcoin. you have been warned.

>>16322360
>bitcoin doesn't need to be a cash system to be extremely successful
It actually does, it's not optional. It either works or it never gets adopted. It's pretty simple, this shit is do or die. If you think what we've seen so far with BTC is a success then your bar is basically on the fucking ground, which isn't surprising because you listen to devs that are owned by contemporary banking interests.

>>16322522
>It either works or it never gets adopted.
see here is the thing there are plenty of retarded examples where pure scarcity and uniqueness skyrockets the price. so evidently that sentence is not true.
>BTC is a success
to me it looks like fucking success when you do 1000% at the very least on just about any multi year period.
>you listen to devs that are owned by contemporary banking interests
you should listen too instead of these knee jerk gut reactions. listen and think. there is much sense in what they are saying. the conflict of interest part is somewhat true. they are not monetarily invested in bitcoin scaling onchain but their business model depends on it staying alive strong and healthy.

>>16322360
>unironically listening to communists

>>16322568
>price go up is successful

>>16322568
Digital scarcity isn't unique to BTC and that alone doesn't drive adoption. In fact I don't think BTC has anything going for it to drive adoption at this point.

>BTC is a success because speculators
It's not used for anything other than hodling. At least before there were businesses entering the market and people were speculating on some cool future internet money. Now people ONLY speculate on the store of value meme, because they don't understand economics and think hodling is wealth creation.

>they are not monetarily invested in bitcoin scaling onchain
They're hardly even invested in scaling offchain. All their solutions are a fucking joke that don't work or even make sense and entirely defeat the point of using a blockchain in the first place. When they're not working on science projects that nobody asked for they're shilling credit cards for their owners.

Get fucked

>>16322701
>Digital scarcity isn't unique to BTC
there is no other bitcoin it's pretty unique
i know this is hard to comprehend to cashies but it's true. no one can recreate the unique history of bitcoin. not even it's forks.
>It's not used for anything other than hodling.
dude... i never needed bitcoin to buy a fucking coffee or even a bike. i need bitcoin for entirely different purposes. and it does the job like no other. speculation is necessary for it to function as a store of value. what i need bitcoin for is to have an unconfiscateble escape vehicle for my wealth when the time comes for my retarded government to finally openly turn on it's citizens or in case it does so covertly to battle inflation. that's the primary use case of bitcoin. you have total control over your own wealth.
>All their solutions are a fucking joke that don't work or even make sense and entirely defeat the point of using a blockchain in the first place.
yeah i bet you would think so, but of course you are wrong. time will tell for sure. i'm going to have this conversation with you sv cucks in 1 or 2 years.

>>16322605
that's how free market valuation works. it signals success by price going up.

>>16320464
If blockstream does that they may as well just say LN failed.

>>16323181
ln at visa level throughput and monthly settlements would require 100mb blocks.

>>16323098
All three forks have the same history before Aug 17'.

I realize you've never used crypto for anything other hodling. That much was painfully obviously from the start. Besides the attributes you detailed on BTC are true on bch or BSV.

>you are wrong
How?
>time will tell
Cop out
>i'm going to have this conversation with you sv cucks in 1 or 2 years
I doubt it.

>>16323111
In ten years when business are using SV to facilitate supply chain demands, will you call it a success because it's of it's widespread use or because it's 200k a coin?

>>16323216
>Besides the attributes you detailed on BTC are true on bch or BSV.
hell no, if nothing else the security is gone, but i sincerely believe the other two properties are also in jeopardy on a non majority fork due to lack of security and ease of overtake.
>Cop out
do you seriously expect me to get into a lengthy debate at 01:25 right before i go to bed? if the thread is alive tomorrow you will get yours you can be sure of that and if not then in the next thread. i got boatloads arguments stored up.

in short the scaling philosophy of btc absolutely makes sense and in no way limiting for the future crypto ecosystems throughput capacity.

>>16323270
if sv will still be around in 2 years i will call it an unexpected great success. until that it's time to go back being a double digit shitcoin.

>>16323277
>hash is static
How many times do I have to explain that things do not remain the same especially when the fundamentals of BTC are completely broken?

>got boatloads arguments stored up
Sure you do.

>in short the scaling philosophy of btc absolutely makes sense
Taking transactions offchain isn't a scaling solution, it's an entirely different system. Doesn't work anyway. Maybe in another 16 months amirite?

>>16323288
SV will be dominate hash in two years. BTC might exist.

>>16323370
>How many times do I have to explain that things do not remain the same
no they will get worse for shitcoins like sv you are correct.
>Taking transactions offchain isn't a scaling solution, it's an entirely different system
it is a scaling solution for the ecosystem. bitcoin is a trustmachine if it does 7 tx/s or if it does 7000 tx/s it's the same security. totally different burden. if bitcoin does 7 tx/s and 7 anchored pegged sidechains do 7000 tx/s each you have the same security with exponentially bigger tx capacity and less global burden.
>SV will be dominate hash in two years.
nah i don't think it will dominate bch let alone anything bigger.

>>16323414
Side chains are a retarded meme and they're insecure. Also opens up the door for inflation.
>LBTC is just as good as BTC

LN is their best bet and it doesn't work.

Should have just listened to Stoj and scaled to big dick energy blocks, but as already discussed BS devs don't have a real incentive to make Bitcoin work.

>inb4 stoj put in the 1mb limit before Bitcoin had any monetary value to reduce spam

>>16323531
>Side chains are a retarded meme and they're insecure. Also opens up the door for inflation.
factually wrong side chains will also be secured by btc hash and assets released based on btc locked into smart contracts. two way peg guarantees that even with weakened trustlessness there is no incentive to attack the side chain as there is a way out to the trustless mainchain.

>>16323628
Why the fuck would a miner secure and validate a sidechain?

>>16323628
Also what about all the laptop nodes you faggots are always reeeeing about? They now have to store a boatload more data.

Or are we just going to handwave all of these things?

BSV can do everything a sidechain can

Unironically arguing with paid blockstream kikes.

Just ignore them, there is no changing the mind of a shill, you are wasting mental energy you could use for something productive.

>>16323924
It's easier to speak truth than come up with the retarded explanations they do.

>>16324057
That is true, but it's literally their dayjob to sit and come up with disinfo and false narratives. Not much to gain, better to mock them and call them out as the trannies and seetheposters they are.

Like Greg who sometimes forgets he is not supposed to reveal himself, kek. Pic related.

>>16324121
Fair enough. I'm just can't contain my autism.

>>16313167
Glad you like my memes anon OP. Here take this one too. I give it freely

>>16319607
> believing any sane enterprise or agency will buy into this shitcoin once their team of experts has looked into this deeper and figured:
> bsv is not needed
> bsv is a bad choice tech wise
> oh and say hello to scammer craig and all the bullshit surrounding craig which is impossible to hide at this stage

> imagine being such a inexperienced kid that you equate taking a photo in front of a government building towards the actual conclusion of having someone interested and then invest into this shitcoin.

it's all just make believe propaganda and pics to keep you idiots invested. no tangible results will come out of this if these meetings even exist in the first place and its not all made up like the shit Craig the fag does.

>>16324121
Oof greg thats it

>>16325067
>enterprise or agency will buy into
You don't need to buy in. If a business finds a solution offered on BSV they only need to have enough BSV to execute w/e they're doing. It's not an investment. Keep waiting for your institutional investors though.

21 BSVLINK

where are the rare unique tweets from CSW. Also what do you think of LINK.

>>16313184
Kek