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And here's Arthur Brock (a founder of Holo/Holochain) acknowledging the acceptance and use of the name. This is not grounds for a trademark dispute because Anders literally gave the name away. If Anders was using the name commercially prior to giving away the idea then he MIGHT have a case to enforce and injunction to cease and desist using the Holochain name but there's obviously no evidence of Anders using the name at all so therefor the case will be dismissed on the 19th of December and Anders will have nothing but shame and a negative bank balance which will see his solicitor's bank balance increase.
https://medium.com/p/32c16010204a/responses/show

HOLO BAD SELL GOOD

>>16528295
Words of a pajeet like yourself will always be disregarded by everybody. So thanks for that mister pajeet.

>>16528281
Lmao what a fuckin retard. He must be super for cash for good gender reassignment surgery but this lawsuit is dumb as fuck imagine eating all this time for something so sto stupid. He then went on to work for Holo for as little while they used holochain and he promoted the ico yet had no issues then so why now

>>16528322
because he's an idiot eating sour grapes. I think he was fired by Arthur.

>>16528251
>>16528281
So Anders did come up with the name. Brock even acknowledged it directly.
Guess Anders has this lawsuit in the bag.

>>16528373
lol. you're an idiot. You don't know anything about intellectual property law do you?

>>16528482
What?
It proves he came up with the name.

Imagine a lawsuit over a fucking name being the make it or brake it moment for your investment

buy bitcoin before it's too late altcucks

>>16528516
so what?? He has no legal rights to it. Arthur Brock went and trademarked it when Anders gave it away as a gift. The kid has no case whatsoever and you're just as stupid as he is for thinking the courts will see a gifted name as grounds for a legal battle. He's not getting anything except laughed out of court.

>>16528322
>He then went on to work for Holo for as little while they used holochain and he promoted the ico yet had no issues then so why now

>>16528887
>so what?? He has no legal rights to it.
Why not?

>Anders gave it away as a gift.
Source?

>>16528929
i posted the source at the top of the thread you silly cunt.

what's even funnier about this loose weak claim is that nobody even asked him for a name suggestion but he gave away 3.

>>16528959
That doesn't imply he's giving anything away.

>>16529154
man you're so stupid. Yeh OK. He owns the word and he's gonna win the case and be made a billionaire. Now go study trademark and copyright law then come back and talk to me. You know nothing.

>>16529232
Tell me how he's "giving away" the name under trademark or copyright law.

>>16529232
was he hired by the organisation?? did he work for them at all when he came up with the name???

I'll put it another way. If i give you a flower and you take it, then i run around telling everybody about the beautiful flower I gave you, then you go sell that flower for $1000. Do i have any rights to any of the $1000?

>>16529240
>>16529261
Sounds like you're trying really hard to convince yourself.

and that's not even a good analogy because a flower itself has value on it's own. The word holochain didn't have any value when that kid came up with the name. The project gave the word value just if it had any other name, that name would hold the value now because of the good will that has been generated by the product itself. The word had no value when he said it so that's how much he'll get from this feeble effort to try and extract value from it after the fact.

>>16529274
sounds like you have no clue how IP law and reasoning works.

>>16529289
Answer >>16529236

Just because you divulge your invention to people doesn't mean you're waiving the rights to it.
If that were true, we would never learn of a single copyrighted song, book, movie, ...

>>16529282
and that's the whole reason Arthur trademarked it. To protect the good will that was being attached to the word so little fucktards like himself couldn't try and pass off the good will of the product and reputation of the organisation as his own. This is why trademarks are registered.

>>16529299
copyright on creative works are completely different to trademarks. If you give away your ideas to somebody, that's your own fault. Ideas are not property. Creative works are copyrighted automatically upon their recording in any form. Patents for inventions are a whole other ball game which are a lot more difficult to obtain but if you do divulge your invention to somebody before obtaining a patent you basically have no rights to it in the eyes of the law. That's the whole purpose of the USPTO, (United States Patent and Trademark Office) to protect your ideas.

You still haven't answered my question. Was Anders either an employee or contractor for the organisation when he gave them the name?

>>16528251
lol this is pretty damning, RIP anders.

>>16529335
>ideas are not property.
lmao, they LITERALLY are.
That's why it's called "intellectual PROPERTY rights"
Which includes copyrights, patents, ...

No wonder you keep trying to convince yourself; you're in full-on panic mode.

Hey Justo here. I'm anders lawyer and I can agree this purple haired joke has no case. I love his money though so I'd like this case to drag out till he's out on the streets.

>>16529351
whatever doofus. you're obviously a retard. Go back him in court and give him a hug when he loses. I'm not trying to convince myself of anything. The stupid bitch doesn't have a case and his solicitor is milking his stupidity. Is he really a tranny or are people just being assholes?

>>16529383
This

>>16529385
w-what if he wins
>courts don't often make rational choices
>crypto might be too complicated for them to understand

>>16529385
>starts a thread about trademarks without knowing what intellectual property rights are
>calls other people retarded

L M A O
M
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>>16529289
>tells other people they have no clue how IP law works
>doesn't know IP stands for "Intellectual PROPERTY"

Fuck my man, how did your life get to this point?

>>16529403
You clearly don't know that your talking a bout. Best to be quiet while the grown ups talk. I know what in saying. I'm Justo, the shamans lawyer.

>>16529395
crypto has nothing to do with it. It's a trademark claim.
and courts make rational decisions most of the time which is unfortunate for this kid because it's obvious what he's trying to do. Judges aren't fools like Anders. If Anders was smart he'd still be in the project or would have used the word Holochain for his own project.

>>16529426
And you sir are the funniest lawyer ever. When you get your final payment after Anders loses, can we use it buy some coke and hookers so we can snort it off their asses?

>>16529425
ANNND you still haven't answered any of my questions... I guess that's because you don't want me to crush you with more reasons he's going to lose from the answers you give.

>>16529461
>ANNND you still haven't answered any of my questions
I'm not answering any questions from a guy who didn't know the absolute most basic thing about the topic of the thread he just made himself.

You made a thread about trademarks and then said "ideas aren't property". Live with that.

>>16529425
>doesn't have intellectual capacity to understand what intellectual property actually is and how the laws around it work even when it's explained to him. Dipshit.

>>16529487
>doesn't have intellectual capacity to understand what intellectual property actually is
... says the guy who just claimed "ideas aren't property"

>>16529480
ideas are NOT property you stupid cunt. They are ideas. Intellect is not property either. This is why you don't understand IP law. I gave plenty of my friends business IDEAS in the past and they went off and made shit tonnes of money by putting them into action. I don't have any rights to any of the money they made because they did the work. Now go milk your mother you itchy little brainlet.

>>16529489
It's not your idea till you patent it, since he did not, it is not yours. My client has been idle until his former employer fired him. Now he wants to be a little bitch and cry in court. He has lost the right to the name when he offered it up as a suggestion. There is no case here but I thank Mr Aamodt for feeding my familia. Really helps my wife and out 10 ninos.

>>16529480
you don't answer the questions because you have no answers because you're a moron.

>>16529518
>>16529523
>>16529534
Intellectual property (IP) refers to creations of the mind, such as inventions; literary and artistic works; designs; and symbols, names and images used in commerce.
https://www.wipo.int/about-ip/en/

>>16529523
>It's not your idea till you patent it,
No that's not right either. It's your idea and you can patent it then maybe you will be protected by the law if somebody copies it and makes money from your invention. But that's an invention which is an orchestration of concepts and materials to invent something new to serve a purpose. This word claim bullshit is just that, bullshit.
>He has lost the right to the name when he offered it up as a suggestion.
He never had rights to it to begin with.

>>16529545
oh fuck yeh.. go do 5 minutes worth of amateur research without any understanding of what you read and try and use it to win an argument against somebody who effortlessly debunks all the stupid shit you throw at them. Keep trying you fool.

>>16529573
Whatever you say, mister "ideas aren't property".

>>16529545
>names and images used in commerce
There it is right there. names and images USED IN COMMERCE. The little fag never used the name or image in commerce which is where his whole case falls apart.

>>16529590
>Holochain isn't an commercial enterprise
You just keep dropping IQ points by the minute.

I'm done here. I'm not arguing with an idiot. I only kept going here for the benefit of others who will read it and understand the reasoning behind why any judge will throw this pile of shit out of court. Good luck in life anon brainlet.

ITT a bunch of holotrooper faggots arguing over a lawsuit started by a literal faggot.

>>16529610
>I'm not arguing with an idiot.
No you're not.
I am though.

>>16529628
In storm. Hola

>>16529642
I'm angel lol wassup bro

>>16529685
the gangs all here

>>16529685
angel this is your mother it's time for bed

>>16528251
THEY STOLE THE NAME
FROM A KID
HOLOTHIEFS = NOSHAMERS

Bump

cmon holo lets kick some ass

Typical sjw Seattle libtard trying to take money that's not his from those more successful. I hope this stupid lawsuit sucks this fucker dry

>>16529579
I am a trial attorney who has studied intellectual property law extensively. Your argument completely misses how IP works.

For example, what intellectual property law is your idea/an idea protected under?

An idea alone is not trademarkable, it's not patentable, and it is definitely not copyrightable. You can obtain property protection of your idea via contract, such as an NDA. However, there was no NDA or contract regarding the idea here.

>>16531360
Keep trying, Mr. "ideas aren't property".

Premined shitcoin

This was what he talked about in court. Imagine thinking that this guy is going to win.

>>16531611
First, I am not OP. I am another person trying to explain to you basic principles of property law/IP law.

Second, I am an active trial attorney in California. I studied these issues in law school, passed the bar, these issues come up in my practice, and I continue to study these issues through California continuing legal education requirements.

You haven't even provided any reasoning for your position or support/legal authority.

>>16532000
He’s a dumb nigger. Checked.

>>16532016
Google "are ideas property" and we will see who is stupid.

I'll save you the time: https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/11/17/protecting-idea-can-ideas-be-patented/id=103389/