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Thought you could make bank in Germany with leveraged trading?
Well turns out that the refugees are in more need of your money then yourself!

According to a new law that was already passed the following is now active:


>At the moment it is common at the end of the year to offset wins and losses in order to pay a 25% tax on the wins or zero tax when the losses were larger than the wins.

>Now it will only be possible to offset max 10.000 EUR of losses.

Example:

Until now:

A trader has earned 1.200.000 EUR in a year of trading and accumulated 1.000.000 EUR of losses.

That means he has to pay (1.200.000-1.000.000)*0.25=50.000 EUR tax

His income will be 200.000-50.000=150.000 EUR

After the law (right now):

Tax to pay (1.200.000-10.000)*0.25=297.500 EUR

Income 200.000-297.500=-97.500 EUR

Yep, that's right that's NEGATIVE MINUS 97500 EUR which the trader has to give to the state.


Thanks Merkel voters!

>> No.16933411

source: https://www.welt.de/finanzen/article205127736/Einkommensteuergesetz-Aenderung-mit-absurden-Folgen-fuer-Sparer.html

>> No.16933412

>>16933406
This is what happens when you allow hitler to lose

>> No.16933418

>>16933406
Most retards lose money leverage trading anyway, better it go to the state than (((them)))

>> No.16933423

>>16933406
Someone should neck her.

She's not even a proud German. She can't stand sight of the flag.

>> No.16933427

>>16933418

In the past you could make money if your wins were larger than your losses, now you can't

>> No.16933438

>>16933406
just dont trade options and shit then you faggot whats the big deal
much more pissed that they lowered the gold limits to 2k euro soon you wont even be able to buy a single ounce without showing ID: oh well Im emmigrating to the US anyway, fuck German cucks let it all go to hell.

>> No.16933442
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>>16933418
Yes! Give to the state!

>> No.16933443

>>16933406
if you trade those large sums just move to another country

>> No.16933452

>>16933411
fucking paid article
can some krautfren copypaste?

>> No.16933458

>>16933406
Europe is so sad. I was just reading another thread by a Bulgarian guy who wants to come to America. It blows my mind that any European would want to stay in Europe instead of coming here. You guys are basically slaves to your governments, and your governments' priority is no longer improving the lives of their citizens.

>> No.16933478

>>16933423
I’m not a fan of the Weimar cuck tricolor either desu.

>> No.16933482

>>16933406
where does leverage come into the picture. It seems to me this applies to all trades, not just leveraged. What a fucking shithole. This is pouring cold water on the economy. Germany will collapse withing 10-20 years

>> No.16933490

>>16933406
>live in occupied nation
>the occupational force financial policies are designed to protect their owners
>wonders why they're getting fucked

>> No.16933492

>>16933406
Two options:
1. Leave
2. Don't pay

>> No.16933494 [DELETED] 

>>16933458
>imports millions of spics and niggers
>oppresses the fuck put of whites and promotes their deaths
>omg why don't euros move here?

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>>16933482
Europe is much better off than the US, we are approaching your levels though in the next two decades

>> No.16933522

>>16933494
>>imports millions of spics and niggers
>>oppresses the fuck put of whites and promotes their deaths
You're talking about Europe, right?

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>>16933406
Sag a mal.
>Wasn schmarrn they decide again

>> No.16933535

>>16933452

https://www.godmode-trader.de/artikel/steueraenderung-drei-trader-ziehen-bilanz,8033150

>> No.16933543

>>16933458
>Bulgarian guy who wants to come to America
Yea but the moving to america meme is just that a meme from the king of meme nations. You guyes propaganda dept.has done a great job on the RoW, even its own citizens
>You guys are basically slaves to your governments, and your governments' priority is no longer improving the lives of their citizens.
My point about propaganda proven by this tard statement right here.
>It blows my mind that any European would want to stay in Europe instead of coming here
Willing to bet you've never left your state

>> No.16933544

degenerate gamblers BTFO
nothing wrong with this desu

>> No.16933548

>>16933406

>KO-Zertifikate, Optionsscheine, Optionen und Futures

It's idiotic, but stonks and the like unaffected for now.

>> No.16933552

>>16933412
Hitler hated traders and other money movers with a passion. He would have said get a real state approved job or go to the camps.

>> No.16933554

>>16933544
>>16933548
Usurers btfo

>> No.16933556

>>16933504
trust me, you are far far away from europe levels. You have a problem with socialism creeping in, but it seems that is about to turn. Europe is already full blow socialist and has been for a long time. It WILL collapse because who wants to work if they don't have to? Who wants to work when their money goes to supporting those who don't work? The mass immigration is throwing jet fuel on all this.

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>>16933438
Come home German man. The Midwest calls to you.

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>>16933543
>Willing to bet you've never left your state
I wasn't even born here. I'm just got American citizenship last December.

>muh propaganda department
It all boils down to this:
>average wage in the US vs. Germany
>taxes, US vs. Germany
>Illegal immigration declining in the US, while Germany welcomes millions of refugees
It's not propaganda, it's a matter of numbers.

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>>16933406
>come home, white man

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>>16933578
This is the future of Deutschland

>> No.16933594

>>16933556
Get ready for Hitler 2.0 boys. It will happen in the next 10-20 years.

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>>16933594
>Hitler 2

>> No.16933629

>>16933576
>I wasn't even born here. I'm just got American citizenship last December.
KEK, i turned that shite citizenship/passport down, its the worst passport in the world! offers the least amount of freedom unironically.
Are you >>16933458 ? Its doesn't look like it.

How long have you been there?
Where did you come from? Germany?

For Germany see
>>16933490

I pay way less in tax in the UK than I did in in the states, especially once you include all manner of insurance you have to pay. No clue about Germany never lived/worked there.

>> No.16933864

Anyone know how aussies hold up to the US in terms of trading and guns. If i have to leave this shithole i don't want to go to the yankees

>> No.16933899

>>16933629

Well, Europe is a dystopian hellhole, but not even remotely the dystopian hellhole the US is.

The only logical thing to do is to head for the tropics.

>> No.16933931

>>16933899

You mean South America?

>> No.16933933

>>16933418
Someone better tell him...

>> No.16934128

>>16933864
No fundamental right to guns down here. capital gains taxed as personal income unless business or sth.

>> No.16934176

>>16933438

>just don't trade options or leveraged instruments

HAHA its like you want to lose

>> No.16934281

>>16933412
you're aware hitler was a national socialist?

>> No.16934292

>>16933406
So what's the point of taking on risk to earn a profit at that point if it's just going to go to the state?

>> No.16934371

>>16934292
Some people are getting impatient with those debts. You have to find money somewhere by any means necessary.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1556784566-analysis-how-have-billions-in-german-reparations-for-the-holocaust-gone-unpaid

>> No.16934387

>>16933552
based

>> No.16934402

>>16933458
I wish I could live in Europe.

T. American

>> No.16934417

>>16933552

He himself was financed the foreign capitalists from the USA

>> No.16934426

>>16933406
Lol imagine having a fat women as your leader

Pathetic

>> No.16934459

>blaming this on refugees

4chan will never disappoint

>> No.16934546
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16934546

>>16933458
Europe is great. Can't talk about any European state but as far as we are talking Germany:
>Good and stable economy
>One of lowest crime rate in the world
>Healthy food and water protected by laws
>Best beer
>Good health insurance
>Good job safety
>32 paid day-offs and usually 35h working week
>good infrastructure, perfect roads

>> No.16934557

>>16934546
Pretty much everywhere in the West is great you just pick your poison. I like to trade though so fuck Germany

>> No.16934562

>>16934546
Also nothing beats taking seat in my BMW Z4 and cruise to Italy in 4 hours to have some delicious authentic pizza, coffee and a nice short nap at the lake next to some Italian chicks. Best comfy life. Wouldn't trade it away for living in the US.

>> No.16934567

>>16933458
there is no country in this world i would rather live in then the netherlands. perhaps maybe norway.

but the dutch bicycle roads and train sytem is amazing because it is such a small country.

>> No.16934667

>>16934546
Pics like that create a false impression. Sure, Munich and most European cities have some great historic old-towns, but thats basically all they have to offer.
Most big cities are very dirty. Trash, cheap buildings and ugly "graffiti" everywhere. Also full with shitskins, many public schools are less than 50% white. Plus german women are disgusting, not as bad as british tho

>> No.16934685

>>16934562
>BMW
HA! What trash choice by typical eurotrash

>> No.16934709

>>16934667
Not sure what you are on about. Munich is one of the cleanest cities I've been to. Only Tokyo seems cleaner to me. Luckily, not too much graffiti here as well. If you are afraid of Turks just move to the near countryside and it's mostly German.

>Plus german women are disgusting, not as bad as british tho
You sound like an incel

>>16934685
It's a good car that runs fast and reliable. 60k km now without any issues. What do you drive?

>> No.16934726

>>16934709
Of course its clean if you only stay near the tourist attractions faggot. Take a train to "Leuchtenbergring" next time you are there

>> No.16934744

>>16934726
Oh yeah, can you see that piles of trash in the streets?

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1388883,11.6170964,3a,75y,184.43h,87.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syubVa3-TE5Y-oqj-vCiw2g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

>> No.16934768

>>16933423

Dorothea "merkel" kasner is an ashkenazim jew, you could just look this up in the past.

>> No.16934772

>>16934744
As I said, go there in person next time you are in Munich and stay there for a while. You will see what I mean

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>>16934417
I think you're thinking of the Soviets, m8.

>> No.16934781

Parts of europe are pretty great, parts of the us are pretty great, but overall its better to be rich in the us than in europe while its better to be middle class or poor in europe than the us

>> No.16934894

>>16934781
Id rather be poor in the US and live in a trailer in the woods than in a government funded commie apartment in europe

>> No.16934913

>>16934894
Based also what's your favorite crypto?Want to know what coin will a freedom lover like.

>> No.16934957

>>16934913
BSV and BCH

I already bought my trailer anon. Gonna power my NEET battlestation with solar when I get out of this east coast shithole

>> No.16935016

>>16933458
Europe is pure shit, but it's better than getting shot on the street by a random nigger.

>> No.16935067

>>16933406
Thia will hurt anyone involved in financial (including crypto) markets. Not just leveraged traders. Losses can be used to cancel out Gains. It's not just leveraged traders making gains and losses.

>> No.16935119

>>16933458
the willingness to be cucked without saying anything or moving away is proof of how great it is here regardless of our commie leaders. Based euro bizbois make it work despite some political imperfections and enjoy the last bastion of western civilization, while the US is a shithole corporatist dystopia. I say this with extensive experience from traveling in most US states and European countries, and living in many.

>> No.16935685

>>16935119
Sören, lying is a sin.

>> No.16935716

>>16934417
Hitler was a hypocrite

>> No.16935722

>>16933458
>Bulgaria
Bruh

>> No.16935742

>>16935119
You don't seem to grasp the rapid pace of which European quality of life is worsening. We're not just laughing at you for where you are, we're mourning you for where you're going. FIVE years ago there was none of this in Europe.

>> No.16935852

>>16933458
europe has fallen hard over the last 50 years but it has always been and still is about 10 times better than america. I don't say this with malice I've lived in both. EU gov is very bureaucratic and incompetent, everything is decided by 12 committees. this saves you and gives you some lead time to adapt to draconian measures they enact. US gov has treated its people as disposable slaves since 1913. your standard of living has been eroded gradually over time so you didn't notice. college and healthcare are at least obtainable in europe. in the US they are straight scams that ruin people. it's topsy turvy world, a mason's wet dream.

>> No.16935887

>>16935742
>You don't seem to grasp the rapid pace of which American quality of life is worsening. We're not just laughing at you for where you are, we're mourning you for where you're going. FIVE years ago there was none of this in America.

>> No.16935965

America is bad if you just want to be a low wage worker.
If you got a degree its better than europe.
>but muh healthcare
Your employer will pay for your healthcare. Which has been rated the best in the world btw.
>but da non whites
Theres a bunch of non whites in europe too.
>but da student loans
its not a problem if you already went to college and can get an h1b1 visa

>> No.16936016

>>16935965
>Your employer will pay for your healthcare
uh this isnt 1967 boomer. More and more employers are priced out.

>> No.16936062

>>16934546

That sounds great of you want to be a cog in the machine. We are talking about conditions for those who want to start their own business or want to make it on their own. Europe sucks in that regard. It's why they killed all their startup industry scene 10 years ago

>> No.16936258

>>16933535
>>16933406
Möchte Deutschland im geheimen die USA wirtschaft vernichten? Ich kann mir sonst nicht erklären warum man so etwas einführen würde.

>> No.16937085

>>16935965
>Which has been rated the best in the world btw.
it's not. USA is the shittiest of western countries when it comes to healthcare