/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17903676
Lol, no they didn't

>>17903676
here we go

bleech again?

>>17903676
Delete this
I want my fucking Trump bucks

>>17903676
>crisis is caused by memerona
>cure equals green
fucking plebs when will you learn

Even if they completely eradicated the virus in the next few days, the market would not make a complete recovery.
The virus was the catalyst, not the cause of this downturn.

>Clinical investigation found that high concentration of cytokines were detected in the plasma of critically ill patients infected with SARS-CoV-2, suggesting that cytokine storm was associated with disease severity12. Other than its direct antiviral activity, HCQ is a safe and successful anti-inflammatory agent that has been used extensively in autoimmune diseases and can significantly decrease the production of cytokines and, in particular, pro-inflammatory factors. Therefore, in COVID-19 patients, HCQ may also contribute to attenuating the inflammatory response. In conclusion, our results show that HCQ can efficiently inhibit SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro. In combination with its anti-inflammatory function, we predict that the drug has a good potential to combat the disease.

>>17903676
>bow to the de facto medium of exchange of the 2020s

>>17903714
this current downturn isnt something deeper than panic. as soon as the media has to stop shilling panic the markets will go back to where they were

in vitro*
same can be said about sulfuric acid

>>17903676
>in vitro
>china

Lol no

>>17903676
You're a fucking retard

>>17903676
> in vitro
Covi-19 hide in the nervous system just like herpes
if you catch this shit you will never get rid of it

>>17903676
>cure
>virus

Pick one.

>in vitro
My cum destroys corona in vitro. Don't mean me if I give your coofing sister some buttfux that she cured. We avoid nsaids because it makes shit worse. This is the same shit but with more side effects.

>>17903812
why are nSAIDs bad for corona patients?
I love my ibu

>>17903676
they haven't found shit

>>17903676
This has been known for some time. Chine is using it as part of their treatment protocol and people are still going to die and places like Wuhan are still dead and on lock down.
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/bF2YhJKiOfe1yimBc4XwOA
> 可试用硫酸羟氯喹或磷酸氯喹、阿比多尔口服,干扰素雾化吸入,首选干扰素κ,也可以应用国家方案推荐的干扰素α。 You can try hydroxychloroquine sulfate or chloroquine phosphate, or Abidol for oral administration, interferon nebulization and inhalation, interferon κ is preferred, and interferon α recommended by the national scheme can also be applied. 不建议同时使用3种或以上抗病毒药物。 It is not recommended to use 3 or more antivirals at the same time. 在病毒核酸转阴后应及时停用。 The viral nucleic acid should be stopped in time after it becomes negative. 所有抗病毒治疗药物的疗效还有待于进一步的临床研究来评估。 The efficacy of all antiviral drugs remains to be evaluated in further clinical studies.
>对于重型和危重型病毒核酸阳性患者,可试用康复者恢复期血浆。 For patients with severe and critical viral nucleic acid positives, recovery patients can be tested for recovery plasma. 详细操作及不良反应管理参照国家卫生健康委颁布的《新冠肺炎康复者恢复期血浆临床治疗方案》(试行第一版)。 For detailed operation and management of adverse reactions, please refer to the "Clinical Treatment Program for Recovery of New Coronary Pneumonia Patients During Recovery Period" (trial version 1). 起病14 d内予以输注可能疗效更好,在病程后期如持续检出病毒核酸,也可试用康复者恢复期血浆治疗。 Infusion within 14 days of the onset may be more effective. If the viral nucleic acid is continuously detected at the later stage of the disease, the recovery period of plasma treatment can also be tried.

>>17903835
The problem is people are being released from the hospitals after they test negative and are either being reinfected or the infection never ended, despite treatment, and they end up back in the hospital and soon dead.

>>17903676
Fucking Chinese lies
YOU CAN'T CURE VIRUSES

Goddamn. Everyday with these fucking Chinks, I swear

>>17903676
>in vitro

>>17903676
There never will be a cure, it’s a flu, and for that reason you simply can’t cure it what you can do is vaccinate, and as of now there is no vaccine, and even if there was so you have any understanding of the scale of resources required to make one in massive numbers? Even in normal times it takes over six months

>>17903767
> Now, you listen to me! I want trading reopened right now. Get those brokers back in here! Turn those machines back on!

>>17903767
pretty much this desu.
sure wallstreet and finance in large part is a huge but delicate scam ponzi scheme, but as long as all the moving parts keep moving, we should be fine.
it's still a fucked system and should be changed, but its "ok, as in it won't be the end of the world" as long as it continues to operate

panictards itt SEETHING

Look up chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine right now; tons of independent researchers are all coming to the same conclusions.
And that's on top of the dozens of other solutions that are being found all over the world.
And that's without even mentioning the dozens of vaccines that are coming out by fall.

>>17904067
All the moving parts came to a grinding halt

>>17904094
You don't know how viruses work do you

>>17904172
What makes you say that?

>>17904094
>vaccines
SARS-CoV had ADE
SARS-CoV-2 very likely has ADE
That makes a vaccine all but useless
Furthermore you do realize people were being released from Chinese hospitals with negative tests for the virus either to be reinfected or it never really being eliminated and returning to the hospital to die later.
You can read the full treatment protocol here
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/bF2YhJKiOfe1yimBc4XwOA
If you think the market is just going to bounce back and you can buy the dip you are mistaken.
The economic machine has nearly frozen and is bleeding to death

>>17904183
>ADE
This is found in regular flu as well.

>reinfected
Vacillating between positive and negative is normal at the end of a viral infection.

>>17904183
>The economic machine has nearly frozen and is bleeding to death
Because people are being told to stay home.
Not because all of these people are too sick to go outside.

As soon as they are given the green light, everything starts back up again.

One major benefit to this whole situation is that the virus is an external boogeyman, rather than a systemic failure like in 2008.
We're getting a clean reset, and sentiment is entirely tied to how much of a threat the virus is perceived to be, and nothing else.

>>17904351
>As soon as they are given the green light, everything starts back up again.
Are you 12? Bills don’t stop coming just because the economy has stopped. Hundreds of thousands of small companies are going to go bankrupt in the next few weeks, hundreds of blue chip companies will suffer huge losses if they don’t go bankrupt themselves, entire sectors will go bankrupt today. After people go back out lots of them won’t have jobs to go back to

>>17904271
>found in regular flu as well
because that has no bad effects, right
>ADE helps account for the fact that the 2008-9 flu shot doubled the risk of illness from the 2009 H1N1 pandemic flu (Skowronski, PLoS Medicine 2010); the increased H1N1 illness risk in US children associated with the 2015-16 nasal flu vaccine (Jackson, NEJM 2017) ; and the 68% increase in H3N2 illness risk among UK elderly after the 2016-17 flu shot (Pub Health England 8/31/17).
>Influenza deaths do occur in vaccinated individuals, and some are likely the result of antibodies that enhance infections instead of neutralizing them. This is particularly worrisome as we wait for the next pandemic, possibly from the H7N9 virus that has emerged in Chin
https://www.bmj.com/content/359/bmj.j5759/rr

>>17903676
>they found a cure
>in vitro

>>17904351
boy do i have news for you.

you do realise that systemic failure is right ahead?

>>17904351
>Not because all of these people are too sick to go outside.
Are you forgetting that with the current CFR this will kill enough people to collapse a nations healthcare system? You are already seeing it in places like Italy that did not take very early and very aggressive action like Korea.
Fuck countries like the UK and US are barely testing and allowing it to grow out of control.
The damage is already done the healthcare system will break and ancillary deaths will result.
Even manufacturing in China is no where near the needed output and India has banned the export of certain drugs to all countries but Israel.
Think about the whole system for a moment and realize what has happened. The damage has already happened and people are just waiting for the ripples

>>17904351
Nigga it's all failing, only instead of big banks it's main street America. What is this reset going to look like when half of restaurants in America fold over the next 2 weeks?

>>17904460
>in vitro
yes but this is an already approved drug thats been used for decades, therefore they already have real models for how it works. stop fudding good news

>>17903676
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We got 600 members and are growing, get in here bros
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>>17904533
It was news that was known months ago in China and it was not enough to save the Chinese. Read the fucking treatment protocols its not just give them this one drug and everything is good the patient is fine and walks away healthy.

>>17904522
Lol

>>17903676
>thinking curing the virus will cure a failing economy

>>17904447
>because that has no bad effects, right
Some, sure.
Flu vaccines still help in many ways.

>>17904445
I said people will simply go back to work.
I did not say people won't be adversely affected.

>>17904493
Sure it is anon, sure it is.

>>17904522
>Nigga it's all failing
You should panic.

>>17904516
>Are you forgetting that with the current CFR this will kill enough people to collapse a nations healthcare system?
L M A O
The added Covid infections/hospitalizations/deaths for this year don't even come close to accounting for variations in annual infections/hospitalizations/deaths from the regular flu.
In 2016/2017 there were 25,000 deaths from regular flu in Italy alone for instance.

>>17904573
>th-the economy is failing because it's shit, not because of the virus

Where do you absolute trenchbrains keep coming from?
Is there a clueless NEET breeding ground somewhere that just had a plentiful harvest this winter?

>>17903799
Nice my herpes was getting lonely in there now he will have a friend

>>17904580
He’s 12

>>17903676
Don't you just get re-infected? And this time with a weaker immune system?

>>17904608
>p-people won't go back to work!
ok anon

>>17904618
It's extremely normal to swing between negative and positive at the tail end of a viral infection.

>>17903767
M8
The entire system is a scam
It's bound to come crumbling down one day

>>17904580
>Flu vaccines still help in many ways.
>68% increase in H3N2 illness risk among UK elderly after the 2016-17 flu shot
That is not help that is a death sentence
> 25,000 deaths from regular flu in Italy alone for instance.
Yes already built in to projections. The hospitals have resources for those people. The hospitals do not have resources for the new deaths. Do you not understand everything is Just in Time. There are X beds and with SARS-Cov-2 you need X+Y beds.
Not enough equipment to go around, not enough drugs, not enough doctors. You will have another lombardy or wuhan.
I can't believe you are this stupid as to not understand how complex systems work and the current problems that are being faced.

>>17904533
Nigga, there exist more than 10.000 cures against cancer - in vitro.
In vitro does just mean a cell culture in a petri dish, in the vast majority of all cases the effect of a drug in vitro cannot be replicated in vitro, and even then most effects in vitro mice experiments can't be replicated in humans.

>>17904638
>That is not help that is a death sentence
Now compare to how many lives have been saved with flu vaccines.
Some medicine adversely affects other shit. This is very normal.

>Yes already built in to projections.
>The hospitals have resources for those people.
Not according to you panictards.
In Italy for instance, FAR fewer people are hospitalized right now due to flu/corona combined compared to the flu alone in 2016/2017 for instance.

>>17903824
the inflammatory response is a natural, nonspecific immune system function, anything that inhibits it is generally bad for infections. normally your immune system is strong enough to not have to worry about it, but with this novel virus, where we barely have any specific immunity to it, the inflammatory response is very important for developing a proper immune response.
tl;dr it makes your immune system less effective

>>17903676
>it's another "dude, we found the cure, it's riiiiiight around the corner, dude just trust us and give us your money" episode

Inhibitation =/= cure

>>17904654
apparently it's already showing early signs of efficacy in humans
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-researcher-in-Marseille-posts-successful-Covid-19-coronavirus-drug-trial-results

>>17904654
>Nigga, there exist more than 10.000 cures against cancer - in vitro.
... which is partly why more and more progress is being made against cancer.

>>17904730
>>17904724
seething

>>17904687
>lives saved by flu vaccines
use logic for a second if because of ADE it increases chances and death in the populations that need the vaccine the most no lives are being saved. Young people can fight it off just fine without a vaccine.
>FAR fewer people are hospitalized right now due to flu/corona combined compared to the flu alone in 2016/2017 for instance.
You are comparing a whole year to what amounts to a few weeks. Furthermore like I explained you need to treat Corona cases in addition to the flu cases.
Think of it like this the hospitals are a 5 liter bucket. With all the current patents the bucket is filled 4.5 liters full. Coronavirus is now another 1.5 liters of water to add to the bucket.
What happens? The bucket overflows. That is what is happening now

>>17903849
That's a jump

The people who recover, will carry it for a long time or forever so just because they test positive after the fever breaking, that doesn't mean they go back to critical condition

>>17904599
Exactly
People wanting things creates the items' value.

Banks could fail and people would still buy groceries and utilities. We won't ever hit the apocalypse unless someone nukes DC, Area51 and all the military bases.

Remember that everyone on Earth would die if they did that

>>17904773
Good the fever is gone now fix the scar tissue in the lungs, or possible damage to testicles, or damage to the brain because its been found in cerebral spinal fluid and attacks the ACE2 found in the brain.
Just look up the data of those who "recovered" from the original SARS many had lifelong health problems

>>17903914
this desu

>>17903676
You are a special kind of retarded, anon

>>17903676
Viruses can't be cured as they mutate all the time also

>inhibiting drug.

lol nope just a treatment not a cure. SELL EVERYTHING.

>>17903676
Alex Jones found the cure. The problem is, it's sold out on his website.

>>17904768
>if because of ADE it increases chances and death in the populations that need the vaccine the most no lives are being saved
Far more lives are being saved thanks to flu vaccines than are being lost due to flu vaccines.

Pretty much ALL medication has side effects, sometimes lethal under the right conditions.

>You are comparing a whole year to what amounts to a few weeks.
What?
We're at the tail end of this year's flu season you derp.

2016-2017 was an extremely deadly flu season with 24k deaths.
The preceding seasons had the following flu deaths:

-2013/2014: 7,027 deaths
-2014/2015: 20,259 deaths
-2015/2016: 15,801 deaths

If we take the second worst flu death toll (20k) for this year, you would have to double the current corona deaths in Italy to make up for the yearly variation.

>>17904830
>yeah bro, and also it's like totally airborne aids and shit, like whoa
>did you see that video bro where they like weld people into their apartments in China bro? Whoa
>and did you see that video where like people just drop dead in the streets in China bro? Shit's crazy bro, like totally

>>17904938
>Viruses can't be cured
So I still have the flu from 15 years ago?

>>17903799
Where is this info coming from?

>>17905635
his ass

>>17905635
It doesn't hide in the nervous system.
All viruses hide inside the DNA. The cell type may or may not be neuron specific. Dunno

>>17904743
Literally go keto and avoid sugar and carbs and you'll be guaranteed cancer free.

Source Thomas Seyfried

>>17905635
>where is this info coming from?
The fucking research
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25728
>Since SARS‐CoV2 may conceal itself in the neurons from the immune recognition, complete clearance of the virus may not be guaranteed even the patients have recovered from the acute infection. In support of this, there is evidence that SARS‐CoV‐2 is still detectable in some patients during the convalescent period.43 Therefore, given the probable neuroinvasion the risk of SARS‐CoV‐2 infection may be currently underestimated.

>>17903676
>In vitro
That doesn't count fagget

>>17903676
virus hoax starter pack
https://youtu.be/zFN5LUaqxOA
http://www.whale.to/a/lanka5.html
http://www.medicinacomplementar.com.br/biblioteca/pdfs/Biomolecular/mb-0464.pdf

>>17903676
You can also get the same thing from literally eating onions and related vegetables. Bioavailable Quercetin does the exact same thing as Chloroquine, in a slightly less powerful fashion. The point is increasing Zinc ions in cells that disrupts the virus replication process. So eat your veggies. Apples and onions.

>>17906194
No.
If you increaseonly zinc then your cells zinc actually also increases but not as much as if you would to take this drug.

The reason is because it's a door opener for the zinc to the cell. So just by taking this drug and eating a normal diet you are benefitting more than pumping in zinc.

>>17903714
This.

>>17906423
That what I said, exactly.

Cinchona bark powder. Make your own corona tonics.

Cinchona bark powder. It’s where quinine comes from. You’re welcome.

>in vitro

lol it's so hard to kill a virus in vitro

What's wrong with all these happooners? Do they really want the economy to crash?

based french médecins
https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view

>>17906605
Most of this board is NEETS, bro.

>>17906605
Yes, because they're young and edgy and don't really own anything they had to work for.

>>17903714

This is such a brainlet post.

>>17903676
>get infected
>take HCQ
>prevent the virus from taking hold in your body
>get reinfected next week because your body never got a chance to build antibodies

This is why vaccines are the only practical option

>>17907133
it keeps u alive until there is a vaccine

>>17905943
>may
>may
>may
>may
Okay time to go back to pol.

>>17905943
>perhaps, might, may possiby even!
fuck you and your speculation, literally just a flu

>>17903676
my uncle is 66 years old and is in critical condition in medically induced coma, taking HCQ.

His condition was stable for a few days, but today they found a bacterial infection in his lungs spread from the hospital (good job idiots) and he doesn't have a good shot at surviving.

Stressing out like crazy. This drug does not seem highly effective. I hope he lives. If he makes it a few more days, his odds will get better. The cytokine storm hits day 9-13 somewhere, today is day 9 since symptoms started.

>>17909512
country ?
good luck anon

>>17909786
Belgium. Thanks. He's one of the chillest most awesome dudes. I hope he lives. If not, his last memory on the planet before sleep will be a cold, harsh, lonely setting and people with masks around him.

>>17904830
>Good the fever is gone now fix the scar tissue in the lungs, or possible damage to testicles, or damage to the brain because its been found in cerebral spinal fluid and attacks the ACE2 found in the brain
Stop spamming this shit with no source
And no, "just look it up yourself" isnt a source. Searching for how the virus shrinks your balls and lowers your IQ 20 points comes up with jack shit.

>>17903767

This... Everyone is waiting for the normie news to give the ok. So fucking dumb.

>>17910673
>lunge damage
That is already common knowledge
>testicular damage
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1.full.pdf
>brain
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/10/2/03-0638_article
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acschemneuro.0c00122
The sources all exist and its all being researched. Open your fucking eyes and stop pretending its nothing

>>17903676
>in vitro
Okay everybody line the fuck up so we can hook you up to the Soros9000 for your never-ending IV drip.

>>17911094
virus hoax starter pack
https://youtu.be/zFN5LUaqxOA
http://www.whale.to/a/lanka5.html
http://www.medicinacomplementar.com.br/biblioteca/pdfs/Biomolecular/mb-0464.pdf