/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>17930005
Anything still affordable aside from deep OTM SPY + TSLA puts?

Anyone got a recording of Ackerman going insane talking about the end times?

NO SLEEP UNTIL LIMIT DOWN

>>17930026
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/bill-ackman-pleads-to-trump-to-increase-closures-to-save-the-economy-shut-it-down-now.html

>>17930026
http://sys.4channel.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2020%2F03%2F18%2Fbill-ackman-pleads-to-trump-to-increase-closures-to-save-the-economy-shut-it-down-now.html
Shut
It
Down

>>17930037
Thanks, this shit was gold

>>17930026
>>17930026
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/watch-the-full-interview-with-bill-ackman-on-the-coranvirus-threat-to-economy-shut-it-down-now.html

>>17930026
I listened to Cramer "reassuring" everyone that this isn't the collapse of civilization.
What a world.

>keep having to wage away while this complete and utter chaos is going on
>this whole time I could have been making trades, making bank and learning how some of this shit works
Fuck this, mang, I'm going part time.

>>17930023
>OTM SPY + TSLA puts?
Do you need anything else besides that? With the way things keep dropping you are quickly ITM or near to it.

>>17930027
> Sleeping after limit down but before premarket at 4am to see opening price of underlying assets of puts
How do this?

>>17930037
Riots and looting soon

ELON I TOLD YOU TO GET STARTED ON THOSE VENTILATORS
WHERE ARE THEY?

>>17930050
>>17930048
>>17930037
I watched it live, and it was glorious. Scott was crying too, that's something I never expected to see.

>>17930057
>Cramer
>reassuring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOVXh4xM-Ww

>>17930059
this is the best time to be working hard, making fat wages, and buying stocks

>>17930037
I trust Ackman more than all his detractors so far. Any good arguments against him anywhere?

>>17930087
except everything is closing down lmao

>>17930059
Our time will come wagie.
I'm tempted to just pull out 200 bucks and risk it all and short puts on the TQQQ.

Or

I can play it safe and wait till my paycheck comes in.

>>17930101

No, but you're definitely not anywhere near as smart as him.

>>17930087
> Not being a salaried employee with no work from home capabilities
NGMI. My vacation starts tomorrow with full pay, not to mention my puts.

How many congressmen are gonna get tested positive? Taking bets.

>>17930058
I can barely afford 150 SPY premiums and was looking at TSLA 100
like deep out haha

>>17930107
>200 bucks
how fucking poor are you? I gambled 500 without hesitation in 2008 when I was a broke college student

>>17930122
> he doesn't work at a computer
you're some kind of retard then. good luck with your bets :)

>>17930132
Based off the rate of infections in the French and Iranian legislatures, I'm gonna say between 33 and 44.

>>17930101
if anything he is being optimistic about it....

>>17930132
with any luck it will be all of them who have been there since 2008

any updates on Trumpbux?

>>17930136
Check out options expiring closer to current date. Usually cheaper, but with this much volatility premiums are at all time high anyway.

>>17930083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6W_FcUpOig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc3XptLacMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBWnGUimRBw

Which New York do you want bro

More Congress boomers getting infected = stonks fall more? Is there a connection here?

Anyone have that doom ackman oc from earlier?

CERU my nigga

is spy $200 5/1 based or retarded?

Is it worth buying calls in the morning or should I just wait till Friday?

>>17930145
Real broke nigga.
Under 25k a year broke.

>>17930185
I have a 185 spy for 5/01 lmao

>>17930122
if you want to brag about your sick bets, post total returns and not last price. oh wait...

>>17930185

We'll be in way worse shape by May 1. What that means for the market, I can't say. For all of the talk about not closing the markets, they very well may be by then just to prevent everything from quite literally going to 0.

>>17930195
I feel ya man, same

>>17930186
Lol, don't buy calls right now.

>>17930181
muh nigga CERU

>>17930186
>>17930217
I mean puts im retarded and overtired.

Who else playing it safe tomorrow?
I've set all my options to sell automatically and I have another 760 in cash since a lot of my other options orders didn't go through. Considered buying some puts in GM but I decided against having all my chips down.

>>17930208
If the markets don't close, is ~13k dow in May a logical prediction?

No limits down tonight, I guess

>>17930082
>better times
Santelli was kino back then to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ph7T1Sz9g&list=PL23B6653DCAB9D1F4&index=2&t=0s

Should I just give up and liquidate my longs in my IRA?

Maybe my svxy in my meme account? And go full short?

I can’t believe this but I think we’re still crashing. Not sure how much more profit there still is to be made off it though.

>>17930214
I bought some stocks in American Airlines, Ford, Bank of America and I Am gonna do DCA investment over time in them, but, man if I put 179 on puts on TQQQ I could make 2grand.

But if it randomly swings up then I am super fucked and will not make it out of this.....Fuck it, i'll just play it safe for now.

>>17930186
i bought some today, SPY is going up tomorrow

>>17930251
what appeals to you most?
what will be better in the long run for you?

>>17930101
I don’t know where he got that thing about the virus surviving 9 days on surfaces from.

>>17930246
>how about we all stop paying mortgage, it's a moral hazard
lmfao Todd Howard

>>17930082
>better times
Santelli is based boomer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-ford-gm-could-build-ventilators/?bcmt=1

>General Motors and Ford said on Wednesday they were in talks with White House officials about how they could support production of medical equipment like ventilators that may be needed to combat the coronavirus outbreak.

>GM Chief Executive Mary Barra spoke to White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow about the issue after the Detroit automaker announced it will suspend North American production through March 30. Kudlow told Fox News on Wednesday that he had spoken to one automaker looking at producing ventilators.

>>17930251
You bought this early? I get it but dang' we'll still drop some,
as for TQQ, goodluck mate, wishing you the best
we'll break out of poverty somehow

>>17930220
i haven't been on /smg/ in a few years and thats the only thing i remember

>>17930265
It seems like he's referring to past coronaviruses because the jury is still out on covid-19

>>17930264
Investing and waiting it out.
I'll get into leveraged investing when I have more room to move around. I just see the $$$ and...yeah, lol.

>>17930234
Im playing it safe but more because i clsoed my puts and expected to rebuy on Thursday green day. Now im either sitting out or going to buy anyway and get a longer expiration date.

>>17930239
Today was supposed to be a bounce day. -3 is pretty bad.

>>17930286
Damn seriously? I can't believe we're dropping this low, man. People are about to feel this bad, dude. I got friends getting laid off and people struggling real bad now.

I mean, shit, I bought Bank of America for 20 fucking bucks. You too man, good luck out there.

>>17930185
4/27

>>17930246
>that started the tea party movement
If true, not worth it

>>17930285
China did this a lot. Got a weapons manufacturer to start making protective goggles.

LVMH in France is converting perfume factories to making hand sanitizer.

>>17930304
i wish i could go back and buy more AMD at $2, and more importantly not sell most of mine when it hit $16 a share

and get MGT back in the day

and so much more......

So if I buy a put, and someone buys it, I'm fucked? What if I don't have the money in my account?
Sorry, stock illiterate zoomer trying to make some money here

We need to clarify that you shouldn’t just come in here and ask a question that doesn’t even make sense, you should lurk and read and read the stick and google shit and
CHECK INVESTOPEDIA
START WITH THE GREEKS

How much REFR do I need to make it?

>>17930380
REFR is a stock for the roaring 2030s, when people have money again and are buying fancy cars
we're in survival mode now
buy KHC

Is it too late to open a RH account and start profiting from this madness.

>>17930356
>i wish i could go back and buy more AMD at $2, and more importantly not sell most of mine when it hit $16 a share
waait... you bought AMD @ $2? gawt damn

>that screencap
damn that Anonymous /biz/ poster knew

>>17930363

If you sell a put. For every buyer, there's a seller. The put seller is effectively the supplier of those 100 shares to the buyer if the share is in the money by expiration.

>>17930398
>KHC
was recommended it from a freind, but it's still on a downward trajectory, do you mean get the stock or LEAPS in calls for it?

>>17930375
we do, i lazy and bout to bed tho, so whoever bakes next bread do it

and make sure no more youtube shit in OP, we dont do that here (no discord for p&d and honeypots either)

SoUtH kOrEa BeAt ThE vIrUs
>kospi down 8%, down 30% from recent high

>>17930082
that guy is such a retard

>>17930412
False. There is not always someone willing to take your contracts. For example today I had one set of options go to 0 because there was no demand for it. Your sentence structure was really hard to comprehend but I did the best I could.

>>17930427
kek
they also benefit from lower gas prices

>>17930185
>>17930199
>>17930208
>>17930328

Again - what's a *reasonable* premium price for shit like this? The pricing and greeks look goddamn nuts half the time.

>>17930037
Holy fuck what a sperg. How did this retard become a billionaire?

>>17930417
Link to Ackerman's AAAAAAAAAAAA seems appropriate

>>17930363
literally dont trade options unless you understand exactly what you are trading
if you WRITE a put you are basically selling a contract to sell 100 shares of a stock, and that contract is worth some dosh. you are betting the market will stay flat or go up if you write the put. if you buy the put you are betting it will go down.

for example, billy writes a put for fagcorp that expires in a month for $80.this contract says billy has to buy 100 shares of fagcorp for 80 bucks. fagcorp is currently trading for $90 a share, so billy collects a small premium when he sells this contact to some dumbass called roberta. right now this contract is intrinsically worthless because who would exercise this contract? nobody.
but lets say the market craters because some chink in an elevator coughed on you. now fagcorp is trading for $50. woops. sorry billy. youre still on the hook to buy those 100 shares, and whoever holds that contract can sell it for a LOT more than billy did. so it gets passed around like a grape flavored blunt in the hood until its strike date. then billy gets fucked in the ass and roberta makes out like a bandit. understand? sorry if unclear ive had too much too drink

>>17930461
>if you WRITE a put you are basically selling a contract to sell 100 shares of a stock
wrong

>>17930445

Let me clarify: if you write a put option. In other words, if you are the initial seller of the contract, you are obligated to supply 100 shares of the underlying security of the put's strike price is met by expiration. I cannot put it more simply.

You buying a put and having it expire worthless, or otherwise drop to 0.01, is not what I'm describing.

>>17930478
yeah i fucked that up but you still get it right

I really hope we open green otherwise I've made a huge mistake.

>>17930037
>get the national guard to make sure people stay in their homes for 30 days
not a bad idea at all

Will the USD reach parity with the (((euro))) or Bongbux first?

>>17930492
what did u do??

>>17930461
>if you WRITE a put you are basically selling a contract to sell 100 shares of a stock
na.. you're thinking of calls... writing a put is the agreement to buy at a certain price

>>17930410
no I bought AMD at $4.20, after watching it from under $2 ($1.80 or $1.60, I forget)

I miss /biz-classic/

>>17930458
perhaps, bad precedent blah blah slippery slope blah blah tho

>>17930493
give it a week or two and we probably will like france has past day or so (well just extra police i think?)

or italy past week or two too

>>17930492
oh no

5k, 50% of my stack in deep OTM spy calls with 3/20 exp

>>17930492
>opening green
>when futures are hitting low limit

>>17930513
whats the strike price

>>17930513

Why did you do that? When did you buy them?

>>17930492
>futures start at 228
>roar up to 246
>are now back at 232
anon, futures don't justify next day's price, but I....

>>17930492
OH NO NO NO NO NO

>>17930441
Isn't KO still doing much better and paying much much better divvies than the rest of the market? And PEP? I know KO just did their "bad news bros" guidance, but was it actually that bad?

Is PEP about to do the same thing?

>>17930492
OH NONONONO BULLBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>>17930498
Bong and then EUR

But if DB needs a bailout, then EUR

If HSBC needs a bailout, then definitely Bong

>>17930427
Ha!

>>17930263
O rlly?

>>17930513
hmmm
the bold DOMSCUMM
you will make it

>>17930492
>He bought?

OK i need sleep, i leave with some more math because holy shit some of yall need somewhere to aim besides learn to anti-integrate

>Game Theory

>>17930529
282
>>17930530
yesterday when we were like 5% down. they were down 35% on close

>>17930492
Literally trying to predict what is going to happen in this environment is impossible. Evey-thing is too volatile. Though I feel like the current upswing on the futures will fall back down.

>>17930555
this is so above my comprehension it's useless to even look at.

>>17930558
i mean today (wednesday)

>>17930555
>leaves a bifurication graph
>doesn't include the formula
ask me how i know you're a pop-culture /sci/entist

>>17930543
Concur. The complete collapse of Italy could push yuro toward parity as wel.

>>17930558
>282

>>17930558
Kill it

>>17930539
they were down 31% off the high this morning

>>17930558
>282

>>17930492
I feel dumb as fuck for picking an all time high to start getting into this. But I'm also taking this as a low risk learning opportunity.

>>17930586
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
...buyable?

>>17930558
>282

El-Erian this past morning on squawk:
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/03/18/allianzs-el-erian-on-coronavirus-driven-sell-off-market-volatility-has-a-downward-trend.html

Ackman AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/bill-ackman-pleads-to-trump-to-increase-closures-to-save-the-economy-shut-it-down-now.html

Close it all down.

>>17930558
>282
This is your mind on BULL

>>17930635
SHUT DOWN THE PLANET.

What would happen if Trump killed himself?

>>17930637
SpyChan is just resting!
the spirit of MOOOOO is alive and well, I am having some milk to enjoy the wait~

>>17930654
depends on how he does it, really
huge variance depending on the method to his madness

>>17930654
Dow 35k overnight

>>17930654
Golden Bullrun.

>>17930617
>Ackman AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:
JUST’d

>>17930654
What do you think?

>>17930637
Lulz

>>17930604
probably
just post stock wojak

Two positives things happening:
People and companies will realize working from home is actually feasible for many workers and the industry may shift away from large expensive office spaces and long commutes in favor of teleconferencing.
Greater push for automation. Since people are going to lose their jobs now, time to fire up the machines. Expect a boom of new and old companies moving into automation.

>>17930695
This won't last long enough for either of those things to happen, even at the longest estimates of EOY.

>>17930695
>greater social isolation
double edged sword
the only time I see other people is at my job already

>>17930695
So post-agrarian, post-industrial, post-bureaucratic society?

uhhhh guys?

>>17930635
HELL IS COMING
TURN TESLA FACTORIES INTO VENTILATOR FACTORIES

>>17930689
Don't have any
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Are there any pink wojak edits of Ackman after today? Guy was literally "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" personified

I've been looking at buying puts for SPY and the premiums look like they are expensive as fuck. How is it even possible to make money off of this, it looks like the price required to be in the money is almost impossible to hit. Even puts at 200 2 weeks out are going for $520.

>>17930735
>you pay them to hold onto your money
wew

>>17930753
do you think he had shorts on before that, or would the SEC fuck with him over that?

>>17930735
Why wouldn't someone just stick their shit under a mattress

>>17930783
You would need a big mattress for the California pensions

>>17930783
there are amounts of money that wouldn't fit under a mattress

>>17930776
I don't know. Isn't there some way to see hedge fund holdinigs?

All I know about Ackman and shorts is he got obliterated on that Herbalife thing

>>17930783
you can get robbed, your house can burn down, and your money isn't earning anything

>>17930783
You ever watch The Sopranos?

>>17930797
But in this case you are giving your money to a robber whose house is on fire. Just stick it in your attic.

>futures

PARTY ROCKERS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT

R8, H8, but most of all appreci8

>>17930005
Picked up 1000 JNUG at $6, how fucked I'm ?

NOT SO FAST BEARS

>>17930714
Why would a corporation bay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to rent a building for their workers when they could just stay home? This is a wake up call for companies. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if companies are trying to cancel rent right now to help stop the bleed and just have people work at home "indefinitely."
As for automation, it will take a while but the benefits are obvious. 24/7 operation, less workers, reliable. You're removing so many factors that this incident really makes the idea stick in ones head.
Another interesting idea is 3-D Printers in hospitals, imagine being able to nearly instantly print out special, sterile parts instead of having a warehouse and hoping you can find the right one or that you didn't run out. Even for just temporary repairs, the economics and life saving potential is big.
These are the things you should research for after this event. People are going to be moving out of China, governments are going to support that, especially bringing manufacturing home, which automation will greatly help in doing. You might see those empty office buildings suddenly alive with floors of new automated machines.

>>17930831
>Fellow call holder

I honestly have no clue what to expect from tomorrow. Futures are wild.

>>17930819
>>17930840
>Being only -2% instead of -5% is the new bullish

>>17930858
>only -2%
extremely bullish

>>17930858
Also, every single day we have been red on the futures they have opened much, much reder than the futures predicted.

>>17930831
lol we got the same gamestop puts

>>17930858
Yes. I just ordered my new shirt

>>17930831
>AAL call 21 Friday
>GME put 2 in a month
>LCI at all
>XOM call 55 in a month
>BA call 300 in a month
>CX at all
The only thing you will be able to afford is a bridge with a long drop.

>>17930809
There's an invisible thief you're forgetting about...

Good night, here's to DOW 15k!

>>17930776
>would the SEC fuck with him over that?
Hmmm.... good question. I think probably he'd be in the clear even if he did have a series of short positions going. His fud was not specific to any company or even sector. Yellow biz media gets away with a lot worse regularly.

if only you listened

Tomorrow is money printer/stimulus vs jobs report fud

Who wins?

Uh oh bear bros

>>17930819
Indices coming off the low but i'm more interested in what oil is going. It initially tracked with index futures for a few hours as it tends to do in absence of any particular oil specific news. Then things started to break apart from index correlation. Crude now sitting at a healthy green at the $23.55 mark, around +4% from close.

>FUTURES AREN'T LIMIT DOWN ALL NIGHT
NOOOOOOOOO BEAR BROOOOOOOOS

>>17930973
Starting to feel good I didn't invest that 200 dollars on TQQQ puts.

>>17930935
Do you know that or are assuming it?
What subtle tricks do they get away with?

>2262 to 2459
>2459 to 2276
>2276 to 2377 and rising

Fucking clown market

>>17930978
You bought at 20?
Someone did and are making a killing.
I feel dumb for taking my eye off of natty too.

No longer feeling suicidal over my SPY calls

>>17931019
we're going back to 3000
get your hat ready
this market is so strong right now

>futures climbing back
Thank fucking god. I need my cheap puts tomorrow. If the markets are green my GE calls will probably triple in price too (they were already double at close yesterday). I don't know how but I've managed to make almost all the right plays but always sell too early or not buy enough.

>>17931029
Post winnings if this works out for you.

>>17931049
I'm hoping for a big pomp so I can sell my calls and load up on puts

>>17931049
everything is going green tomorrow get ready

Look at that, i found a webm of /smg/

I'm looking to get into stonks after finally reaching 20k stinky linkies. Thinking of buying amd, msft, and tesla. Am I retarded? Got 5k to blow.

Also, since a shit ton of options are going to get exercised tomorrow, shouldn't we expect Friday to open red but then get pumped to green as people buy to fulfill their puts?

Lol, jesus. I wont be impressed until this is above 0 bulls.

>>17931008
>What subtle tricks do they get away with?
Oh it's not even subtle. Hit pieces from short ""analysts"" giving obscenely low price targets backed by an article of conjecture and half truths. The "I/we are short..." disclaimer containing variety.

>>17931026
I entered initial position in two stages yesterday, once at $22 and again at somewhere around $20.50. This is an unleveraged position though as I need to be able to hold it for a potentially extended period of time and opted for stability over max gains.

GOLDEN BULL IS BACK

>>17931061
He okay?

>>17931061
hope that guy had a hunting knife strapped to his leg

You would be making money right now if you shorted when I suggested to. Is the faggot that told me to mail my money to Goldman sachs ever going to apologize? I don't think so personally, I think he's a faggot that will be saying "but no one could've ever predicted this"

Futures looking grim.

>>17931114
There used to be bears the size of buses that terrorized humanity in Siberia. I get now days we've nearly trivialized nature, but we literally couldn't beat them. You hear about how terrifying elephants were in ancient warfare, imagine fighting one of those things.

>>17931114
just looked it up, he survived, unharmed, the bear pretty much just shoved him to the ground and ran away

>>17931123
He's not wrong, you got lucky af.

>>17931147
they both came away from the encounter looking a little tsun. very cute.
>it's not like I wanted to eat you or anything! b-baka!

>>17931125
Futures look like the market: Clown.

>>17931147
Black bear. They're not very aggressive. It's the grizzlies that kill people.

Does anyone know what royal dutch shell stock to buy? There's like 10 different options and I dont understand why there's so many?

When's the time to start buying Boeing?

When will the inflation from all the bailouts, QE and welfare start? How bad will it get?
Where do I move my money to avoid it?

I feel like bulls rely more on faith than actual reason or a grounded understanding of economics.

-50% FML

>>17931205
I would buy now, or, soon. In my opnion we are approaching the bottom until the bulltrap.

>>17930508
>>17930493
>just allow a little extra government surveillance, just until this “war on terror” thing dies down

I do not look forward to what emergency measures remain in place when this is all over with.

>>17930978
>i'm more interested in what oil is going.
Big brain thinking

>>17931165
Options traders stopped capping gains by then. There were literally scenarios playing out that only happen in blow off tops historically. Here's more posts of me calling this.

This crash wouldn't be even 1/10th as bad if equities were fairly valued. Pure stock market bubbles are the single most destructive market force in the long run, throughout history, period.

>>17931208
property

Russia opens, looks like it'll be a green day for Europe

>>17931210
Why do her ears look like Pepperidge Farms Milano cookies

aaaaaaand oil ranging back down. That was a happy smol pump there but much more work to do. I've got a limit order in at $17.50 just in case.

>>17931237
Waaat
Don’t you think the bubble will finally deflate when boomers are terrified and want to get out of the cities and densely populated areas soon?

Shit though we need to prevent wealthy foreigners from moving in and buying more residential property.

>>17931231
always

>>17931242
Cause anime in the 90's was hand drawn.

>>17931205
$50 ill throw down some.

>>17931210
they also always end up being correct for centuries

>>17931242
>>17931269
Also ryuoko was an alium girl from the stars who was often depicted as having a playful catlike personality. Or something.

>>17931269
A more civilized age

>>17931253
Which ETF / ETN?

>>17931279
People as a whole generally have a faith that tomorrow will be better than today.

>>17931279
See this is exactly what I am talking about.
Some one needs to update this graph, too.

>>17931279
Even a working clock can always be wrong.

If you want a laugh, go read Yahoo Finance comments. I prefer ACB

>>17931258
You cant have inflation in currency and deflation in property

>>17931314
Why not?
Seems like you can have deflation in currency and inflation in property

What bulls don't get is that "Golden bullruns" don't just happen. When markets crash they go through deleveraging cycles and deflation.
2008 was unique, no one realizes the only reason that the v pattern happened was because the government came through with a bailout. Otherwise, any bear market will have life cycles just like any bull market.

>>17931019
That's called a crab market
you're the clown

>>17931044
based

>>17931123
You should be buying the dip all the way to the bottom. Have you not been grabbing shares of the good shit that momentarily gaps down? Regeneron randomly went to $420 last week, now it's back at $500. I was tempted but my DCA is ~370 so... I dunno.

tod a bunch of cash, some leveraged shorts, and some companies I'm adding to on the way down. I'm not going to time the bottom right, may even get burned by my shorts eventually. Calling a top or a bottom is more luck than anything, which is why no one ever really does it more than once.

>>17931093
I don't really see that as yellow or getting away with anything. Steve Weiss says he's buying more Skyworks Solution and then the chart ticks up briefly or trends up for the rest of the day. It's all pretty straightforward and anyone who buys based on a lazy shilling like happens on cnbc should know that if it goes wrong they only have themselves to blame.

I do.

>>17931356
We can still get a V if elite neet hax0rs are mailed $1million checks by Mnuchin and we re-inflate SPY

TrumpBux2020

>>17931350
>seems like
so you are just talking about your feelings? how has the dollar deflated yet the property prices rise? explain

>>17931314
Yes you can since property is highly leveraged just by nature of mortgages you can have cascade defaults before money supply can work its way back into the estates renter.

A 2008 style crash is basically what we are getting with this recent dump right? This is going to be negative quarters of growth and massive unemployment?

>12 days

According to local newspaper, pic attached being circulated on mainland China internet yesterday Asian trading hours is probably the cause of the big drop in some Asian markets yesterday afternoon which probably also contributed to the drop of European and American market yesterday

>>17931388
mortgages !== property

futures recovering

>>17931404
Bridgewater is a fraud apparently

Big IF true

>>17931373
No we can't. That will just accelerate the bulltrap. Learn economics you dumb fucking boomer.

>>17931371
I didn't call an exact top, but even what you would've payed to cover that short in mid december you would still be up right now.

I'm not buying the dip because I actually called near the top understanding the emminent liquidity problems the system was facing and how the fed is not reacting where needed to get liquidity into the system with fucking repo and QE.

If they don't change how they are doing this then expect the market to drop another 30% off ATH before we even think about buying back in.

>>17931292
>not DCA into the 35% drop
American stock market will be hitting new highs long after youre dead

>>17931404
I think you wrote that image and screen capped it. The structure and consistent misuse of words leads me to believe this.

>>17931382
Dollar is deflating and property values haven't changed, no? Could change next month, but I don't see how either are self-evident truths.

>>17931435
that guy is a retard troll
he literally posts pictures of his shit
do not give him the attention he craves

>>17931404
WEWWWW care to break any of this down for me?

Also would be interesting if Dalio was exposed as a fraud between releases of volumes 1 and 2 of his autobiography thing.

The ventilators, Elon.
Where are my ventilators?

>>17931435
Yes, we can
>#TrumpBux2020

>>17931447
If inflation is 10% does it matter if stocks rise 6%?

Sure the stock portfolio protects more value than cash in a bank safe but -

If inflation is 20%+ your 6% stocks won’t save you

>>17931465
do you even look at shit or just talk out your ass? housing prices have been going down.

>>17931423
I mean if you aren't leveraging up your property you're either Amish or retarded. It collapses the price of all properties regardless just because everyone else IS leveraged up, especially corporations, so I'm not sure the point you're getting at.

>>17931279
Bulls always win over bears in the long term because if they didn't capitalism itself would collapse. It's only rational to be a bear in the short term, as you still need the system itself to succeed. There's a small minority of bears rooting for the entire thing to crash, but they're so fucking stupid they don't understand that all they'll be left with is monopoly money when all is said and done.

>>17931497
>not buying gold from your bear gains

>>17931493
>If you don't take on unnecessary debt you're retarded.
Amazing. I'm glad you're in the market since you're a giant fish.

GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL GOLDEN BULL

>>17931497
>they don't understand that all they'll be left with is monopoly money when all is said and done.
Maybe the Amish are the future, not stuck in the past! NWO feudalism . . .

>>17931447
American stock markets might not make it at this point you fucking retard. Are you fucking blind? We are literally creating a financial bubble with in a financial bubble via bailouts?
You think this country is gonna make it through another fucking mutation of some obscure flu virus from china? Expect more of this shit. The US economy (and population for that matter) is totally unable to handle such a situation.
Americans are fucking idiots.
You can't just create a big pocket of air and say "strongest economy in the world" when all it takes is covid-19, can't be seen, and you fucking crumple like a house of cards. You people are fucking retards.

>>17931507
I mean yeah, they should do that if they want to put their money where their mouth is. A lot of them aren't though, because if they did it'd mean they'd have to withdraw their positions.

>>17931488
>housing prices have been going down.
Painfully slowly.

>>17931512
Lmao, go look up cashflow and the time value of money before you ever post here again please retard. Business and investing is about spreads, it's absolutely necessary debt yes.

>>17931530
They’re dropping pretty fast in the metros I’m tracking

Ex: SanFran and the surrounding counties

>>17931497
What you don't understand is that with out the government the market will collapse. With out bailouts the market will fall apart.
Bulls don't care; Capitalists are no concerned with long term profits but typically focus on the short term. They don't equate those factors into their rational.

>>17931523
My dad showed me where the Amish live. I know what's going on and so does the Lord.

>>17931524
lmao stay triggered foreigner

10 minutes eurobros

>>17931548
am scared

>>17931560
It can't be worse than the mutt markets

>>17931535
Wow. I think you're a total dullard and I genuinely hope you lose your house because of all the necessary debt I'm sure you've taken on.

>>17931538
>Capitalists are no concerned with long term profits but typically focus on the short term
+

Bonus cycle, bonus cycle, bonus cycle

Get dat money fresh

Cash me out!

Looks like the Fed is working overtime tonight, efforts to stabilize money market funds?

>>17931488
guess my area is is just operating on a delay
sheesh

>>17931524
>all it takes is covid-19
Is that a joke? When all it takes is a natural disaster that shuts down the global economy?
When "all it takes" is the perfect enemy of a service economy, when the world is already in the midst of a manufacturing recession?

>>17931538
bears* not*
>>17931543
Based and retardpilled

>>17931572
Cool story nigger, luckily I'm beating the market by almost 30% because I'm actually financially literate.

Hey, post a picture of your portfolio, i really want to see the returns on your debt free only Corp portfolio LMAO

Do I make more buying one put contract for 1k or five 200 contracts/10 100 contracts or whatever? Does it even make a difference?

How about a new general where we make money together /post/ strategies instead of cocky red bears or bulls. I realized I could have made tons of money if I didn't shitpost here

>>17931606
I don't think you're literate period.

>>17931610
how much money would you have made...

>>17931610
I mean, these bulls are so stupid they would probably shit that thread up too.
Look at them. They are full stop retards. Anything you said to them they would just shit themselves immediately and proclaim "DADDY TRUMP DUN GONNA SAVE MURICA" They belong on facebook not a chan.

>>17931623
One trick pony? Can't do anything other than make shitty bait?

Here's a protip, a business with zero debt is a fucking failure. If your business plan is good and your long term strategy solid you want to be as leveraged up as you can possibly handle. The problem is when shitty businesses leverage up and go broke for it.

Like seriously, the least you could do is read some basic ass Graham and Dodd before pretending you know what the fuck you are even talking about.

>andrew yang proposes UBI
>"""handout""" for socialists
>trump introduces these """handouts"""
>republicans flip flop and now like the idea
>democrats don't want it to be passed
clown world

>>17931626
at least 400%

>>17931644
You're retarded.

>>17931460
What do you expect from China?
>>17931465
official response in the last section of https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-bridgewater-idUSKBN21539W

>>17931649
that's a lot....
and you say that /smg/ prevented you from making that money?
that's terrible! /smg/ must be a terrible place to do that to you! I can't believe it~

We're bouncing. Told you faggots.

Why's the CAC not moving

So will Friday be green or red?

WE ARE FUCKING BACK

>>17931647
its always been like this, they do this routinely on foreign policy and most issues

How is Bridgewater losing money when they're shorting Europe?

lads, i bought some royal dutch calls yesterday with strike 11 bucks, will i be ok ? expiration 1st may , brent looks like is falling to oblivion , but shale boys will probably go bust and shell will cover that market share

how come some of you track the dow more closely while others track s&p

>>17931728
dow more precise

>>17931728
Cause the dow is more exciting. Also, the companies in the dow are more influential in the economy.

>>17931695
What are you talking about?

>>17931728
they both have a good correlation to the economy one through leading credit the other through industry action.

>>17931610
Let's see. Googles offer to buy Fitbit out for 7.35 cash is still on the table. If you set a limit order around 5.90-ish it has a good chance of filling on a deep red index day. Your risk on the proposition is Google retracts offer or changes their offer price lower.

>>17931694
Red open green close

>>17931728
It's curious. There is little talk about the dow in normal market conditions, S&P more preferred index to watch. Dow mostly gets brought up when things get all screwy like this.

Anyone else loading up SQQQ at open?

Oh no! Bloomberg anchor lady is coughing. They don’t seem like they’re taking as much social distancing as CNBC...

>>17931404
This Huaren forum is VERY interesting to me. But very hard to understand as I’m navigating it with google translate. I think I’m in a forum by chinese people living in North America.

They have a thread about pompeo’s address today, and another where a “cbs chinese reporter” called COVID the “Kung-flu” to her face. And another where chinese people are complaining that they’re eating too much under this “shelter in place” thing!
>Instead of pneumonia, it will become obesity. *emoji*

>>17931802
no today is green

>>17930783
It costs money to store physical cash
In a way, the government owing you money in 3 months is safer than leave the money at banks

Wtf futures are weird today. Started positive, then almost limit down and now almost positive again?

>>17931797
>>17931765
>>17931753
>>17931748
>>17931728
Dow 30 is older and considered more important to manufacturing and industry, and is preferred by many boomers and trump.

S&P 500 is favored as the index to invest in by most, it’s more reflective of the broader economy and rebalances regularly to add better companies and remove ones that the market has turned against.

>>17931205
Just set a limit order to buy at 50% of the last trade. If we all of biz puts a purchase order for shares at $51 maybe we can get BA for good price. /Biz/ can literally be the market I'm convinced.

When a company falls out of an index do all the ETFs tracking it sell all their shares of it? Doesn't that tank the price or do they stretch it out?

Holy shit.
I want the new know-nothings to leave.

>>17931874
That wasn’t directed at you. I’m actually not sure that’s an interesting question.

>>17931876
I'm here to stay faggot. You aren't about to monopolize on this easy ass money. When this bull run takes off I'm gonna get rich on calls and stocks.

>>17931818
>And another where chinese people are complaining that they’re eating too much under this “shelter in place” thing!
I wish that westerners did the same thing that east Asians (orientals) do in regards to shaming people for being fat
alas, alas

>>17931909
bro, bought a call on Royal dutch with expiration 1st may, will we be ok ?

Anyone else feeling bullish for tomorrow? Futures are crabbing around 0 but I think the big stimulus announcement is gonna pump us on thursday. Too early to say but I sold my shorts and picked up some geared etf's close to their bottom today.

>>17931937
Green open red close

>>17931937
trump pump starting at 11am

Dafuq is Deutshe bank doing? Was 5 yuro the bottom for them?

>>17931929
Can't predict the future, man. Just gotta wait and see. If trump bails out the whole country then yeah you will make it....if not, we have at least 10 years of finding the floor and 10 years of recovery. The depression in 1929 took 5 years to find the floor and 5 years, or so, to recover.

>>17931962
>>17931949
These fags are delusional.
If they think trump is magically gonna speak the words of magic to magically magic the economy back up to 30k in under a month they are delusional and skictzopilled

>>17931937
>Royal dutch
i dunno man, S&P vix is up, futures looking stable, stimulus is pulling out all the stops. It's definitely not the end and im still long term bearish but I think well open and close up. The short wild west we had for a fortnight is now priced in, premiums on shorts have skyrocketed, even Mark Cuban has said hes been going long against shorts just for the premiums expecting a correction soon now that volatility has gone down a bit. I think were oversold right now.

>>17931979
no...pls
these criminal scums should default!!!

The only way stocks will go up in the scope of the next few months is if the value of the dollar crashes faster than the value of stocks.

futures green

Kek, in a few days when the DIW is at $14k and BTC Is at $6k, crypto market will be outperforming boomer 401ks in this collapse

>>17931924
I believe there’s more than cultural factors at work there. Obesity research is very discouraging, you’ve heard about the Dutch hunger winter I believe.

But you’re also that guy who thinks fat people are inherently bad people, and have expressed a hatred that borders on obsession based on some of your past remarks so it’s not shocking that you’d harp on that.

>>17931909
I wasn’t talking about you.
Shit man all you do is bait, post incongruent comments, and shittalk, and you’ve got 20 posts of that.

New thread:

>>17932044
>>17932044
>>17932044

>>17931981
What the fuck are you talking about I said red close you nigger

>>17932034
So, what you're saying is, I should dump my trump check into crypto?