/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18000845
italy was going to go belly up this was the last nail in the coffin. so maybe. it would be the smart thing to do from those gypsies.

>>18000883
also since italy going belly up woul dmean the end of the eurozone they will try to bail it out. but it will be unsuccessful because germans will feel they have their only problems and no one else can do it realistically. it will make greece look like a walk in a park.

>>18000845
>>18000883
>>18000903
Hey schizos, half the eurozone will be bankrupt at the end of this. Italy is just being honest.

>tfw we live in the greatest exit scam in the history of mankind

>>18000845
Yes of course. The military is carrying around empty coffins. The crematories are just burning old furniture to pretend they're full. The obituary pages are full of computer-generated people and crisis actors. Milan and Venice are shut down. All so they can score a bailout.

>>18001095
no it's literally the powderkeg that will blow this up. result of them electing populist imbeciles instead when they needed to sort their shit out. we knew for years this will end badly. nobody expected it to be this bad tho.

>>18000845
Italians are the rats of Europe together with Spain.
They don't wash their hands after visiting the toilet or when cooking.
Disgusting people the Italians and Spaniards on the same Untermensch level as Arabs, Turks and Gypsies.

>>18001154
take it easy rabbi

>>18001146
>4+ years of leftist government
>suddenly 2 years of joint ruling between a leftist centrist party and a populist right wing party
>now a year or more of leftist government
>"REEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING NAZI POPULISTS"
Seethe more commie, there will be a whole lot more nationalism after this shit blows over, people are seeing how great "European cooperation" is.

>>18001186
>European cooperation
Lel more like forced cuckoldry for those Angela Kikel bucks

do these people understand what the term bailout means? it's not free money

>inb4 hurr its never paid back
actually it is.

>>18001186
coronachan will bring down the facade.
>be modern instagram fag
>spend last 20 years preaching multiculturism
>chink virus hits
>ohfuggg.webm
>instantly stop eating any ethnic foods and wrap self in plastic around brownies

>>18001115

>>18001119
The coffins and obituaries are filled with dead people who were dying anyway because Italy fucking sucks. That’s the claim you stupid retard.

>>18001186
you don't remember but i do their solution for their debt problem was letting it go and go deeper in debt. that's the populist way. don't be retarded there are no free meals. this will end them for good most likely. i wouldn't count on germany to bail them out now.

>>18000845
>it’s all an international conspiracy and not what is happening right in front of you
No.

>all these tweets to defend a orange buffon

whats the profit for him??

>>18001244
>for their debt problem was letting it go and go deeper in debt

If you don't create debt you don't grow, Japan has been stuck in a debt spiral for decades, the solution is to forfeit debts and tell the EU to go fuck itself.

>>18001119
It’s crazy that they believe a global conspiracy that every government in the world is participating in is more likely then reality

>>18001235
>people who were dying anyway because Italy fucking sucks
Hey fatass, ever wonder why Italy has one of the oldest populations in the world?

>>18001251
it was retarded in the situation everybody knew the recession was coming sings were all over the walls. there are no reasonable excuses for their behavior. and for those that elected the imbeciles.

>>18001119
Why would you need coffins and crematories suddenly so many when your average death rate is only up 20%? Thousand people die in Italy whether flu or not

>>18001247
He's getting some donations and advertising products on his podcast or whatever.

>>18001251
>the solution is to forfeit debts and tell the EU to go fuck itself
this would end them faster. that's for sure. you prefer fast suicide instead of prolonged agony. i get it.

>>18001255
Schizophrenia works like that

>>18001269
The only thing leftists are responsible of (other than being society destroyers in normal times) is that they hugged chinese for social justice points, their response to the crisis wasn't slower than the response from other nations.

>>18001257
Because any young person with the means to do so leaves?

>>18001294
it's not really about left and right. populists ruin every country they touch.

>>18001279
>this would end them faster.
Germany and France are on the brink of collapse. Deutsche is preparing to file bankruptcy.
Italy will unironically the only one to survive this mess, because they imposed martial law early on, while everyone else just hopes not too many people will die.

>>18001272
roughly 630k people die in Italy each year, which seems like a lot but it's only about 1700 a day.
Covid is now killing more than 700 a day, practically a 50% increase. It's already a pretty busy season because of the regular flu and stuff, so crematories aren't used to dealing with that sort of throughput for example.
Military is transporting coffins because many funerary businesses are closed.

>>18001309
>Italy will unironically the only one to survive this mess
oh boy... you couldn't be more wrong. we will see soon enough i think. they basically halted their economy now. soon they will rely on foreign aid to stay alive. but as this shit gets worse that will be gone fast.

>>18001279
Its suicide and rebirth instead of eternal slavery.

>>18001309
Italy will not survive this without an economic disaster but neither will most of the EU or the world, we still don't know for how many months countries will need to hunker down.

>>18001255
>all governments of the world agree: taking your rights is important
why be worried? lets just all agree with 0 pushback...i mean whats the worst that can happen?

>>18001300
Why isn't Poland or Mexico old as fuck then?

>>18001306
Oh fuck off internationalist

>>18001317
Yes, during bad flu seasons the death count each winter increases 20-30% for a month or two. Nothing extraordinary.

>>18001322
>they basically halted their economy now.
Same with Germany and France. Everything except the drug stores and and food is completely shut down. All the VW AG factories are halted since the last week.

Except Germany and France are only recently started taking this seriously and imposing curfews. After the had tens of thousands of infection. In 2 weeks both countries will have piling up in the streets and will all the inner tensions there will probably be riots.

>>18001317
>Military is transporting coffins because many funerary businesses are closed.

They aren't, nice job in exposing yourself schizo.

>>18001324
there will be no rebirth for a country that defaults on debt this has been proven plenty. nobody will deliver them anything without paying first nobody will loan them or credit them. no i don't think they can possible pull this off this is the typical populist nonsense that got them in this shit to begin with.

>>18001367
this is the only way, but the situation italy is in is way worse than other countries both infection wise both economy wise and debt wise. countries that don't shut down for a few weeks now will produce mountains of corpses.

>>18001378
Its not like many countries will have a choice unless the whole debt system gets revised.

>>18001146
>result of them electing populist imbeciles
in which reality do you live? it's literally 10 years we are being governed by pro-eu parties and they fucking destroyed italy
they keep cutting public spending and tanking public hospitals, schools, infrastructures and privatizing all national companies because muh competition, while germany is literally stopping foreign money to buy german manifacturing companies for cheap and is telling everyone to fuck off with the free market, seizing masks and hospital equipment and closing borders
muh solidarity doesn't exists
open your fucking eyes, eurozone will collapse cause ecb is not acting like a central bank, and eu will be wiped out
this was a good moment to push for eurobonds, but they want now a temporary coronabond or enslave italy with ESM which is even worse

running a half million page for italexit as we speak, i will spend my entire life bringing italy out of this non-sense
i will be the italian farage
and you can go fuck off with you leftist neoliberal party

>>18001246
That's not at all what he was implying you disingenuous retard.

>>18001365
No it doesn’t

>>18001333
Dude, have you ever been to Italy? It’s for old retired people who like vineyards. Rome is a complete shithole whose subway system looks like NYC’s in the 80’s. What can a young person do there? Sell selfie sticks in front of the colosseum? Steal from tourists?

Back to the original point, even Italians are saying the deaths attributed to the virus are inflated: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

>>18001406
No I think that is indeed what OP is getting at

>>18001405
>they keep cutting public spending and tanking public hospitals, schools, infrastructures and privatizing all national companies
wtf I love the EU now

>>18000845
(((bill mitchell)), A supporter of fractional reserve banking. You deserve to be executed and hanged for treason if you support central banks.

>Gee why is Italy marking their elderly patients who had COVID-19 and died as COVID-19 deaths?

(That's how we count flu deaths in the US too m8)

>>18001405
Based and redpilled

>>18001421
Yeah the spike in deaths is surely inflated, all those people that died would have died anyways, Corona or not!
https://mobile.twitter.com/davcarretta/status/1238791068071661568

>>18001306
>noooooooooooooo it's salveenee's fault
then lagarde open her fucking mouth and let spread skyrocket
>b-but it's salveenee's faaaaault, it's not in the ecb mandate
meanwhile the rest of the world uses their central banks for helicopter money to avoid small businesses and self-employed printing money out of thin air
WE NEED LIRA

>>18001235
Fucking bullshit, these people would not have died if they wouldn't have had the virus

>>18001405
do it anon
keep us posted

>>18001430
Then I'm afraid you are an imbecile.

>>18001244
>muh debt
Literally every fucking country has massive debt, the whole system is made to keep countries in debt enslavement to punish them if they step out of line.

Until this system collapses there is nothing to do but accelerate, sadly corona doesn't have the power to bring it all down.

>>18001482
Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health:
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus. On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three.”

>>18001154
Go kill yourself kike

>>18001405
Based

>>18001505
>sadly corona doesn't have the power to bring it all down.

I think she can, not even world wars had this kind of impact

>>18001512
CORONA STILL IS THE MAJOR CAUSE OF DEATH, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE CORONA THEY WOULD HAVE LIVED AND NOT DIED DURING THAT DAY.
Is that clear?

>>18001463
“Based and redpilled” Sorry dude, I didn’t know you were a fag. You should go live in Italy. You deserve it.

And yes, a lot of them would have died anyway, just later.

cant tell if this guy is shitposting or for real most of the time.

>>18001553
>And yes, a lot of them would have died anyway, just later.

We all die "later" dumbass

>>18001447
t.retard
>muh free market is good
no it's not, a nation should be able to sustain without external help, production should focus on country needs and internal demand should be the highest priority
big utility company should be nationalized and should have ZERO PERCENT private participation to avoid foreign speculation on essential services
schooling system, university, r&d should be top priority, cause it's critical for the country future
i want to pay taxes for hospitals, schools, and for non-short-term-profitable tech studies
i don't want to pay taxes just to repay an old debt made in lire and converted to a fucking foreign currency which is managed by some criminal french roastie, this is just non-sense

>>18001531
Understood, Italy has a population that can not withstand a virus other countries populations can. Maybe of them are on the verge of death already and this cold will finish them of. Thus, Italy sucks.

>>18001405
well i know who will be in the news soon yelling that merkel is responsible for the corona outbreak lmao

>>18001584
>no it's not, a nation should be able to sustain without external help, production should focus on country needs and internal demand should be the highest priority
Lovely. I wish you lived in my country to see how that idea turns out in real life.

>>18001531
No, it simply does not appear to be major cause of death. In cruise ship 700 were infected, 2/3 were over 70 years old and 2-3 people died, which is 0.3% death rate, which in normal population of 45 average is turns out to be exactly same as seasonal flu death rate

>>18001588
italy is a beautiful country, we just need to get rid of europeists first

>>18001567
We don’t all have premorbidity retard.

>>18000845
It's exactly like the Holocaust hoax. Someone dies of typhus, starvation? Just add them to the list of "Holocaust victims"

>>18001405
HAVE SEX

>>18001603
First:all those people in the cruise ship had ICU units ready for them, if we listened to you schizos most people would not have ICU units available when the time comes
Second:you are wrong about the death rate of the flu
Third:9 people died on that ship out of 700 people that got the virus

>have a co-morbidity with a health outlook of 10 years
>get COVID-19 and die now
>shouldn't count
Are you dipshits acting like counting people that with asthma and diabetes that succumb early due to COVID-19 is a scam? AIDS is actually a minor illness, most of them die due to viral infections.

Low IQ people shouldn't be allowed to post.

>>18001618
based and (in some countries) criminally redpilled

>>18001600
>outsource 70% of your country needs abroad cause it's cheaper
get fucked when you really need it
don't get me wrong, i'm really against communism, i think 75% of the economy should be private, asymmetries in salaries should exists to have incentives to do better, we are not equal, and who work hard deserve to have more, but internal demand is necessary for a country

>>18001216
>See all the brown hoards stick together
> Kick whitey when he is down all the time

>>18001609
Yeah, maybe. Even Rome might be nice if you get rid of the shitheads and clean up the graffiti. I can’t argue that parts of Italy are beautiful.

>>18001154
JIDF at it again

>>18000883
Italy has been an economic and cultural leader of innovation for thousands of years within europe, you kike. Hardly comparable to gypos.

>>18001565
He's been melting down for the last few weeks

>>18001651
>NEARLY EVERY FUCKING THING must be state run
>"I don't support communism"
You do. But instead of the "proletariat", it's the "nation" what matters most to you.

>>18001671
you are right, we need to get rid of europeists and multiculturalists who wants illegal jobless immigrants on our soil
i'm not necessarily against immigration, but for sure i'm against uncontrolled one, nobody should be able to enter without having documents, a job and economical possibility to survive by his own

>>18001722
>NEARLY EVERY FUCKING THING must be state run
no you fucking kike
i said ESSENTIAL SERVICES
the rest should be private, cause that's where is the real engine of the economy

>>18001722
>it's the "nation" what matters most to you.
the nation is all of us, if you didn't notice

>>18001646
Alright alright, it’s not a scam. But, I would like to see a separate death column for regular healthy people. That would be nice.

>>18001749
>the real engine of the economy is the private sector
>so let's hand over the 'essential services' to... Not the private sector

oh boy we got the italian jeb bush here

>>18001365
You seem to miss that most of these deaths are occurring in a small part of Italy, not the entire country.

>>18001761
what is the point of privatizing infrastructures for example?
in italy public highways (built with taxpayers money) are now managed by privates, and they are not using profits for maintenance but for financial operation all over the world
we have bridges collapsing, dead people and the highways are becoming more and more expensive for zero reasons
YES, THEY SHOULD BE PUBLIC, WE EVEN BUILT THEM
same for UK transporations and hospitals, they wanted to privatize, they said it worked out very badly and now they are going to push for nationalization again

>>18001796

There is no problem in having essential infrastructure privatised. The problem is when you have an imperialist power like the ECB that prints money out of thin air to finance foreign purchases of said infrastructure. It's not a consequence of the free market that it has turned to shit, it's crony capitalism and fiat currency that you need to blame.

>>18001421
>What can a young person do there? Sell selfie sticks in front of the colosseum? Steal from tourists?
Funny how millions of young people from Eastern Europe or Africa come to Italy to do just that. In fact I'm pretty sure Italy has a net migratory balance (to address the retard who claimed italy was old because all the young people left earlier)

>>18001464
Lira? I remember lira, it had those zimbabwe-tier banknotes didn't it?

>>18001832
ah yes, that was it

>>18001754
I agree, and your government is not your nation.
There wasn't even an Italy before the 1800s, you were faring far better as several separate kingdoms. It is easier to maintain local culture and identities without a centralizing government - and the EU is even worse than that, as it is a centralizing super-government.
I dislike the EU precisely because it is socialistic, just like the "state-run essential sectors" idea. And by the way - privatizing state-run companies to eurocrats and (((people with connections))), like european governments do, is not actual privatization.

>>18001811
pretty much true

>>18000845
Bills losing it

>>18001811
>There is no problem
well we have one, i just give you an example with infrastructures
same for hospitals
who is managing the emergency? the public ones, the ones that got 30 billion euro of cuts during the last 10 years, the ones that are now understaffed and underpaid because muh privatization
where are all the privates? they took days off...

>>18001832
did you see zimbabwean stock market lately?

>>18001722
Jesus Christ you Anglo individualist are such gigantic faggots.

>>18001862
Before anglos destroyed nation states in the post war order the government was indeed the nation

>>18001875
>hurr durr what is overhead
>hospitals have no running costs xD
alright that is my last snarky comment.

>>18001902
It was Mises, a literal Austrian, who first observed this similarity between fascism and socialism. As for me, I am not from the anglosphere.
So no anglo-isms involved here. Try again.

>>18001815
Is that true? Are millions of young people coming to Italy to sell selfie sticks and steal from tourists? I was just fucking around cause you seem like a silly asshole.

>>18001859
(Pic related)
aaaaah, the good old days when you could just print yourself out of a criss.
the lira, now that was real money. *siiiip*

>>18001931
They also pick tomatoes and sell drugs I believe.

>>18001815
>I'm pretty sure Italy has a net migratory balance (to address the retard who claimed italy was old because all the young people left earlier)
niggers in
high skilled young people out

>>18001949
overlap it with GDP percentage increase in USD
and then come back

>>18001953
Yeah okay.
The point was that Italy is not old because of emigration.

>>18001961
here you go you lazy fuck

>>18001949
>noooooooooo inflation baaaaad
and gdp and purchasing power was going up, cause your salary was increasing more than the inflation
how is that a problem?
now we have stable euro, purchasing power went to shit and salaries are decreasing, gdp in USD is shrinking
what's better? you tell me...

>>18001350
i'm a rationalist btw there are two mainstream political platforms today establishment and populists. i don't fully agree with any political platform.

>>18001966
italy is old cause economy is going to shit so family cannot afford kids, and all young people from in their 20/30 go abroad

>>18001402
lol you have no idea what is coming. there will be no revolution there will be no rebuild. slow decay for a decade is the most likely outcome for a the world at large and sudden implosion for the unfortunate and retarded.

>>18001405
>solidarity doesn't exists
that's my point.
>i will spend my entire life bringing italy out of this non-sense
rofl just help the medical staff as much as you can that's the best you can do.

>>18001505
>Literally every fucking country has massive debt
some more than the other. but only retards imagine there is a limit to the amount of debt a country can owe.

>>18001997
i forgot, and now we have unsustainable debt cause it was converted to a foreign currency, and since the cost of money is higher cause bonds are sold at market price (while banks get free money at negative interest rates)
but it's everything ok for eu brainlets

>>18001966
“Italy, with 23% of its population being 65 years of age or older. The country’s elderly population is known to have remained at around 20% in the period between 2005 and 2010, but has steadily been on the rise in the few years since. Most interestingly, and in line with these figures, the younger population of people aged between 0 and 14 has not exhibited growth since 1999, and remained at a mere 14% until recently”

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-largest-aging-population-in-the-world.html

>>18002039
this, actually public debt = private credit
people thinking reducing debt is a good idea should be killed on spot

>>18001997
>and gdp and purchasing power was going up, cause your salary was increasing more than the inflation
I literally just posted the GDP growth chart above your post, you can see that for that period GDP growth was never higher than inflation (1988 came pretty close I think, but it was a year with uncharacteristically low inflation) There are years with near 0% growth and >10% inflation.
As for wage growth, it's quite low these days, but then again inflation is also quite low these days (it's been between 1.5% and -0.5% in the past 5 years, vs 2% and -0.2% for wages.)

>>18002010
>family cannot afford kids
Oh please, how does Africa afford it?

>>18002100
>inflation is also quite low these days
it depends how you compute it, housing prices skyrocketed in the last years (not in italy at least because after Monti's idea to save MPS they collapsed)
today markets are flooded with free liquidity
buying a house in the 70 was way way way way way easier than buying an house today

>>18002126
By having a population so morally bankrupt they don’t consider whether or not their offspring will starve to death.

>>18002089
debt is manageable with inflation. but once the debt reaches 90% of the gdp it becomes unsustainable and self destructive.

>>18002134
House prices are too damn high everywhere and it's inflated in north italy in particular because of rich fucks from all over the world coming to buy lakeside villas and such. Plus you border Switzerland and such.
But in fact it seems to have fallen since 2010.

>>18002066
yes the euro zone was a trap it only truly benefited germany and in a small way france. everyone else got the shit end of the stick.

>>18002197
that said being a member of eu was a net positive on gdp growth for most countries.

>>18002142
Yeah, I guess Italians must have had a lot more to eat when they were emigrating everywhere (including to fucking Brazil) and breeding like rats.

>>18000845
watching this boomer meltdown is quickly going from funny to sad

>>18002196
poor shitalians, it must be so hard to afford a house now, you should emigrate anywhere else

>>18002297
(those are 10 year house price changes btw, from https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Europe/Italy/price-change-10-years))

>>18002297
lot of people being dead and a depression should put a downward pressure on real estate could reset the entire thing to very affordable.

>>18000845
Bill Mitchell doesn't know shit. he just applies motivation like a conspiracy theorist.

>>18002319
Indeed, I'm thinking of buying back something to rent out once the dust settles a bit.

>>18001793
a small part of the country where they brought in a bunch of chinks for cheap labor if i recall, right?

>>18001154

>>18000845
Bill mitchell is going to die from CORONA

>>18000845
Who the fuck even is Bill Mitchell and why does anyone listen to what he says?

>>18002319
it's kind of interesting how millenials have been fucked all our lives, and now a fucking plague comes along and apparently that's what we needed to reset things so we don't get fucked anymore.

hell, we may be on the road to being the new boomers, where we get a nice EZ cozy lifestyle with cheap stonks and housing and good jobs etc and we can pass the buck to the zoomers. what a time to be alive, this is just a forest fire clearing out the old dead trees. look into how forest fires are a good thing for forests, the metaphor is perfect for what we're going through.

>>18001930
If you read Hegel you understand that socialism is just a political expression of Prussian nationalism. It’s not somehow a shocking statement that that nation states would conceptualize the government as existing only as an expression of the nation.

>>18002459
Dr. Mengels I'm NSDAP

>>18002172
This is just not true
Look at Japan
There is no threshold, and 90 or 130% or even 400% is totally sustainable if cost of money (bonds) is not affected by speculation and stays low.
All central banks are controlling bond interests but ECB, which is basically protecting foreign speculators instead of nations.
Eurozone countries have different cost of money and they cannot adjust monetary policy to accommodate urgent needs.
When you have a tools which is not flexible, nothing will work.
Then if you have monetary sovereignty debt sustainability is not a problem at all since you can inflate and debt will loose value together with the currency.

>>18002746
And of course with a 2 trillion advanced economy there is no risk of hyperinflation

Italy losing to Gookland so now its a conspiracy. Pathetic coping right there Whitoids.

>>18002234
Leftards are so stupid lmao

>>18000845
People have been saying this on pol for like a month. You only care when a jew says it you cuckold faggot

>>18001309
>Deutsche is preparing to file bankruptcy

source

>>18001154
guess the ethnicity of this poster

>>18002854
>pol
Stopped reading there

>>18001309
>Like 60% debt rate
>on the brink of collapse

lol

>>18001930
>Australians are not Anglos
Sorry Nigel, but you can't blame that one on the noongas

>>18001235
>t.gunownerinvirginia.png

>>18003077
search DB on tradingview

>>18003227

nordcuck ofc

>>18000845
Why is Bill so based, broskis?

>>18001709
Why is the EU taking turns tag team raping UK and Italy and pretending like they are the problem?

>>18002522
it won't be pretty for the next few years imo. unemployment falling stocks bankruptcies bailouts piling up debt. i just don't see it all rosy.
>>18002746
>Look at Japan
yes they just can't do away with their generational debt. above 90% debt per gdp basically your economic growth is stunted as your potential domestic produce growth from surplus goes into paying back debt.
there is no way out.

>>18003889
America will bail out Japan to nerf China before we let them go into full disrepair.

>>18001405
>i will be the italian farage
Good luck, and God bless you freedom fighter. I look forward to the EU breaking in my lifetime.

>>18000845
it's actually a cover for the cure to the refugee question
politicians together with the mafia are putting them straight into bodybags as they come off the "rescue ships"

>>18001755
this desu

>>18003956
Based nationalist crime syndicate

>>18000845
Listen to me
Dio cane
Quella troia di tua mamma

THE REAL HOLOCAUST IS COMING
Yavè kelev
Zionim bnei zonot

Come here jews
Come
The holocaust follows

>>18003889
BoJ can just delete most of that debt with a click
>>18003930
Thx, I guess I will not be alone
http://temi.repubblica.it/micromega-online/ue-e-bce-non-e-cosi-che-si-supera-la-crisi-appello-di-67-economisti/

>>18004195
I am not a little retard with a mouth for a nose.

>>18001146
>populist imbeciles
Ahhh yes because neoliberal egalitarianism has nothing to do with this and everything is those dastardly nationalists fault right? Fuck off nigger nationalism has only been a reaction to the failures of the post national worldview

>>18001317
Kek. 1700 would die anyway. Now 1700 day, of which 700 have the Chinese virus. They die with it, not of it.

>>18004325
Take your meds schizo

>hmmm
>Is an entire state and more or less all of its people perpetuating a massive, in-depth fraud on the off chance that it increases their odds of getting financially bailed out?
>Or is there a global pandemic going on like all of the legitimate authorities are suggesting?

I'm glad most tin foil hatters are also anti-vax. My only regret is that you'll take a bunch of sane people with you on your way out.

>>18000883
Don't call Italians gypsies you uncultured swine.

>>18000845
Who do they think will bail them out? Every other country is either broke already or headed that way.

>>18001376
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8129959/Military-trucks-transport-Italian-coronavirus-victims-coffins-cremated.html
https://www.foxnews.com/world/italy-military-coronavirus-dead-bodies-bergamo-cremated-funerals
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-italy-videos-show-military-fleet-transporting-coffins-of-coronavirus-victims-out-of-overwhelmed-town
https://www.cbc.ca/news/italian-soldiers-haul-coffins-of-coronavirus-dead-out-of-overwhelmed-town-1.5502668

>>18003792
literally nothing