/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>18677094
So racism keeps the workers down.

>>18677094
drop link, pls

>>18677094
Of course

>>18677105
there's the kind of racism that is in worker's interest

then there's the kind of racism that is against worker's interests

no matter what you do it's always going to be racism

race matters

>>18677108
https://www.infowars.com/leaked-amazon-whole-foods-docs-workforce-diversity-helps-prevent-unions/

>>18677127
capitalism is really good at elevating certain groups the use them as a bulwark against revolution. it exploits human greed and uses that as a bulwark. if a certain group is about to riot the system will ensure they get a raise or more food stamps etc etc. capitalism has thwarted class revolt by doing this for many years.

>>18677140
That's not the original article link, faggot.

https://archive.is/iUvMV

Why don't leftists ever question the fact that their love of diversity and immigration is shared entirely by multinational corporations, rich cosmopolitans, the media and academia?

They are literally a subhuman slave vanguard of the current system who LARP as rebels.

lol why do you think the jews push diversity so hard in jewllywood

>>18677184
>original article
it's not scientific paper, anon

>>18677094
Why do you think the mainstream media is constantly drumming up bipartisan issues and divisionary tactics to cause a social schism which passively maintains the status quo since, what, like the fucking 60's?

>>18677186
I just don't believe in shooting the messenger while completely letting the people with the literaly decision making power get away with whatever they want.
For me it's weird that libright larp as these big macho men but their "enemies", like trans people and homos, are literally the weakest faggots in society, when the real enemies, their employers, who are CHOOSING to import cheap labor under your noses, are "no problems from me boss do what ever you like boss". Absolute fucking cowards in thought as well as in action.

but it's fucking infowars

>>18677237
Was from bussiness insider I beleive.

>>18677246
yep, here's the archived link: https://archive.fo/1khJw

>>18677094
uh, it's very well known and documented since the 70's here in France, why do ppl act surprised all of a sudden?

>>18677297
Thanks Mike.

>>18677335
who the fuck is 'Mike'?

>>18677094
This leak is because Bezos and Trump are at war with each other. Trump has threatened to cut funding to the USPS if they don't stop charging Amazon below-market shipping rates.

>>18677334
Then how come you dumb mutts are still going for so much diversity and/or not trying to unionize better?

when (((they))) say "diversity is (((our))) strength" (((they're))) being honest.

>>18677438
redpilled

>>18677414
unions are horrible

>>18677438
straight to the point

>>18677094
Synagogue of Satan at it again.
REMINDER many elites are actually demons possessing human bodies.

Elites perform occult rituals to make this possession easier.

>>18677450
thanks, oh enlightened 'murrican

>>18677438
Diversity actually goes against their interests because it makes White people feel angry and less guilty.

The problem is, OP, that you probably aren't seeing all the posts. If you are just viewing [biz] through the /biz/ board, you don't see the green posts, the posts with letters in their ids, or anything numberless. Together, those make up about 40-70 percent of [biz], depending on the day. So conversation will appear disjointed and spastic, because you won't be getting the full picture.


I actually just flipped over to the /biz/ interface to make this post, and it's pretty funny how unintelligible [biz] is like this.

>>18677414
because we are kiked beyond belief, fren. Every billionaires and every politicians are jews, every indistries are jewed at the top, our gubment is only designed to serve Israel.
No french want this constant flood of niggers, only jews.

imagine pulling aside ahmed who barely speaks a lick of english to explain to him why you all need to unionize

>>18677105
plebbit tier cringe

>>18677464
redpilled, trauma based mind control open gates for demons' possessions, most rich kikes like bezos were tortured and anally raped as kids to provoke a dissociative state and help with demonic possession.

>>18677450
>>18677469
Unions can be great in checking the company’s power and giving a living wage and decent working condition. But if they swing too far they can end up ruining the same industry through corruption and graft.

>>18677105
>>18677166
Yeah comrade lets just magically erase human nature and hold hands singing cumbaya with niggers so the socialist revolution can happen. This is why socialists are a cancer. No amount of propaganda will ever make white people want to live around niggers, ever, they always move away at the first opportunity except for faggots, manchildren and childless cat ladies. All your relentless brainwashing for the past 5 decades has not made a dent on it.

>>18677471
>Diversity actually goes against their interests because it makes White people feel angry and less guilty.
Yeah retard all these billionaires are just dumb like that. America went from 90% to 60% in a couple decades and the only thing white people have done is kill themselves with opiods and elect a barely literate reality TV grifter.

>>18677414
France is the third country by number of jews you retard goy filth.
Of course it's getting genocided.

>>18677348
Ooooo you got busted mike, using 4 chan. Im telling your mom.

>>18677127
>there's the kind of racism that is in worker's interest
t. Bezos

>>18677186
Same reason rightists don't question the fact that their hatred of diversity and immigration is shared entirely by multinational corporations, rich cosmopolitans, the media and academia. They are literally a subhuman slave vanguard of the current system who LARP as rebels.

>>18677166
wtf I love capitalism now

>>18677738
which corporation hates immigration and diversity?

>>18677760
Fox News

>>18677738
>rich cosmopolitans and academics hate immigrants

>>18677770
>literally what is an urban republican
why do you think they wouldn't be counted?

>>18677768
Are you serious ?

>>18677794
Have you seriously never met your boss? They don't have octocamo lmao

>>18677780
>it is representative to describe academics wealthy cosmopolitans as "generally anti-immigrant"
this isn't even worth arguing. obviously i'm not saying there's an exact identity which permits no exception.

>>18677738
>the 'no u' response

>racism is widespread on 4chin but that would NEVER happen in an american workplace
>t. person who never held a job
>person who can't read topic title
>explicitly bezos using racism against unionists/communists

>>18677768
The cognative dissonance must be a giant presence in you sub-par brain. Fox news is one small tic right of center on both those issues, doesnt care if 20 million pajeets come in on work visas.

>>18677232
You're describing conservatives. Moat folks on this site lean a little further right if you catch my drift.
>>18677738
Have you got a single example of corporations hating diversity? I see you mentioned fox news but never gave an example. If you look at any major marketing campaign by these corps it's always handholding globalism, mixed race couples, non-whites put on pedestals, etc.

>>18677818
>it is representative to describe academics wealthy cosmopolitans as "generally anti-immigrant"
>this isn't even worth arguing. obviously i'm not saying there's an exact identity which permits no exception.
presuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tier

>>18677822
>the 'secret club' response.
literally look at yourself

>>18677825
OANN. seriously. what kind of person lives in america and thinks racists don't exist to fight against communists?

this is why bezos uses you people

>>18677768
where are you seeing this? I don't even watch fox because of how cucked they are on immigration and other issues. I remember Blumpf saying he was going to allow the most immigration ever (legally) and Fox was cheering him on.

>>18677824
>can't actually respond to any particular post because then his strawmanning would become to blatantly obvious
yes, workplace racism exists; workplace sexism exist; workplace "trannies are fucking freaks exists"
that doesn't mean that cosmopolitans and academics are anti-immigrant and right wing
literally google "cosmopolitan definition"
literally google "political opinions of academics"

Bernouts on suicide watch

>>18677851
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>presuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tierpresuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tierpresuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tierpresuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tierpresuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tierpresuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tierpresuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tierpresuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tierpresuming every boss is democrat is literally brainlet tier
I literally just told you that I am not stating an absolute equivalent that does not permit exception. I am talking about trends. Do you never talk in trends? Have you never once made a generalisation? Please, seriously, fucking neck yourself if this isn't bait. If it is bait I'll neck myself instead.

>>18677849
Right, there's so many anchors of color of Fox News.

>>18677854
omg le cosmopolitan definition! omg le political opinions of academics!
literally shilling that republicans don't exists in these fields.

what a fucking joke lmao. shouldn't you rats be defending disinfectant on /pol/?

>>18677870
god i want to break your skull open with an anchor of colour

>>18677865
You're faking a trend that doesn't exist. If you want to supply data - you would. I'm saying racism pervades the economy and is used to attack unionists/communists, because that's exactly what this topic title says, and was exactly the USA's strategy during the cold war to undermine leftism.

The fact that so many of you on /biz/ want me to shill for republicans is evidence YOU ARE THE DESCRIBED PARTY

>>18677876
sounds easier than keeping up a fake narrative of republicans not existing in the economy. i get that /biz/ is /pol/2 but c'mon. you guys can't /secret club/ forever.

have you people honestly never met your contemporary in your workplace? am i surrounded by seething neets?

the fact that the argument went from "ummm academics are all leftist there's certainly no conservative universities or teachers ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES" to "YOU BETTER SHUT UP AND AND TAEK RED BILL" exemplifies why i'm right.

literally the entire lot of you are examples, minus those in rural locations. the only thing you're confessing by denying the existence of republicans in positions of power is a. you don't have power and have never met people who are, and b. you have a vested interest in pretending your politics are a unique snowflake, when in reality it's just a piece of a blizzard.

the entire 'leftists control all cosmopolitan and academics' is a rightist canard, one plenty of cosmopolitan bosses hold, because employers lean rightist, not leftist. and when they live in the city, they're cosmopolitan a.f.

>hurr but /pol/ told me they all love immigrants
maybe if your business is agriculture lmao

>>18677879
https://econjwatch.org/articles/faculty-voter-registration-in-economics-history-journalism-communications-law-and-psychology

Now find me a study which shows that university professors are majority right-wing. You won't be able to, unless your definition of right-wing is "does not believe that property is theft"

>>18677851
>OANN
Jesus christ dude, OANN is just another example that there is huge demand for anti-immigration material, but it all ends up being crushed, deplatformed, or co-opted by vultures that want to be in the good graces of their contemporaries at the country club. How many news anchors have you seen advocating a return to the origional intent of the 14th amendment and deporting all illegal immigrants and descendants of illegal immigrants without legal citizen ancestry? In my mind there is about 40-50 million people that need to be removed from this country in that context, and my veiws are by no means the most extreme.

>>18677940
literally nobody here has said that there are no conservative individuals in academia, or anywhere for that matter.

>>18677094
Yep, this is the entire purpose of diversity in a nutshell. Can't rise up when your neighbors speak Spanish and hate you.

>>18677863
genius

>>18677955
>>18677879
>>18677738
Well? Justify your claim that "hatred of diversity and immigration" is a position which is "shared entirely by academia"?
Please.

>>18677955
>40 leading American univerisities
Drop your standards and include the Republican ones, or stay Ivy League and get Ivy League stats. Though, someone who's committed to cooking numbers won't give a shit kek

>>18677963
>>OANN
>Jesus christ dude, OANN is just another example that there is huge demand for anti-immigration material, but it all ends up being crushed, deplatformed, or co-opted by vultures that want to be in the good graces of their contemporaries at the country club
in what way would a huge anti-immigration demand not be indicative of a huge spread of anti-immigration people working in the economy, as both workers and bosses?

>>18677971
>>18677849
>Have you got a single example of corporations hating diversity?
>rich cosmopolitans and academics hate immigrants
>which corporation hates immigration and diversity?

>>18678045
>>40 leading American univerisities
>Drop your standards and include the Republican ones, or stay Ivy League and get Ivy League stats. Though, someone who's committed to cooking numbers won't give a shit kek

So do you propose that, in reality, that a "hatred of diversity and immigration" is a position "shared ENTIRELY by academia", and that the study I posted to the contrary cannot be trusted because of nefarious string-pulling in the background so as to generate 'science' which exists to rile up wh*te people to hate blacks and immigrants even more?

>>18678032
Even your cherrypicked statistics that only contained the top 40 universities in the US still found 341 Conservative professors.

This is also presuming zero cryptoracists among those who did answer in the affirmative in order to maintain their positions without discovery.

You can cook your numbers by shaving off all the universities that don't match your data, (including ENTIRELY republican ones such as Christian universities, like Liberty University) but you can't just assume someone is no longer considered 'academia' if they assume an anti-liberalist position.

>>18678079
It literally says at the top, Top 40 universities only. You have no problem stacking your numbers with a dozen from Massachusetts in order to ignore ones in Southern states, Utah, I mean, this doesn't even cover 50 states.

>>18677094
Commies are unironically right about the rich. Diversity destroys social coherence and without social coherence we all just get buttfucked by oligarchs. /pol/ really believes that replacement immigration is a jewish conspiracy when really it's just a massive moral hazard for corporations/rich. What's more likely - cabal of jewish elites deus ex style or corporations trying to increase profits, consumption, asset prices through unrestrained immigration?

>>18678079
>>18678045
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228380360_The_Social_and_Political_Views_of_American_Professors
And what of this one, which includes even community college professors?

>Faculty members were more likely to categorize themselves as moderate (46.1 percent) than liberal (44.1 percent). Conservatives trailed at 9.2 percent.
>Faculty members, when examined by sector, differed widely. At community colleges, 19 percent of faculty members called themselves conservatives, and only 37.1 percent said they were liberals. Liberal arts college faculty members were most likely to identify as liberal (61 percent, compared to only 3.9 percent as conservatives).

>>18678094
I didn't write the studies. I didn't 'cook' the data. Naturally, regardless, better universities are more important and influential than Amish community schools.
And once more - I didn't say that conservatives don't exist in academia. I have not once said this.
Though you HAVE said that academia "entirely hates diversity and immigration".

"Academia entirely hates diversity and immigration" - Justify this, instead of finding some one variable in any given study that I post that would, if included, perhaps skim things slightly to your favour.

>>18677186
Because socialism is a form of globalism. The end goal of Marxism is one internationalist order where the entire planet lives under communism. They agree with corporations on mass migration for different reasons.

>>18677738

>>18678103
>a study off harvard university from 2007
Harvard would be an unbiased source since when? What about a giant university in the center of Boston screams 'unbiased professionals' to you?

You can post ten more studies with vested interests with you want, but all it's proving is for whatever reason, you want to hide the existence of Republicans in academia. The Ben Shapiros, the Turning Point USAs, even the Kekistani history professors.

>>18678133
So you want me to analyze your studies, but you don't want to hear criticism of them. Why would I waste my time from someone who has convinced themselves of the divinity of ignoring the existence of Republicans in academia? Do it yourself lol

>>18677738
based retard

>>18678094
>This is also presuming zero cryptoracists among those who did answer in the affirmative in order to maintain their positions without discovery
This slipped past me. Are you seriously saying that academia is so overwhelmingly right-wing, anti-immigrant and anti-diversity that academics have to lie about loving diversity otherwise they'll get fired?

>>18678100
Most of the "Jewish cabal" stuff is complete hyperbole. The reason Jews are trash is because they're largely over represented as Marxist-internationalist thought leaders, corporate oligarchs, and usurers to such a degree that civilization would be better off without them participating.

>>18678147
Please tell me you are fucking baiting me. Drop the mask and just say it. I want to ram my fucking eyes into nails. I am fucking fuming.

Fox News is literally THE LARGEST mainstream news media there is, to treat it as an exceptional outlier belies the fact that you have no intention to represent the United States with accurate data.

I am hilariously entertained that my responses are coming from entirely people whose description literally lines up with "cosmopolitan republican academic."

>>18678164
In a left-leaning university? Yeah. Now explain why you are removing right-leaning universities from your data.

>>18677094
>chinks laugh at this
why are we mad that china is about to become the number 1 economy again?

>>18678094
What's your point exactly? Everyone knows if you're very far on the IQ scale, you're more likely to revert to far right positions, just way much better at hiding it. That doesn't mean that they can express that opinion or have any societal change. One can hope, but that's not the reality of today. The whole of society and especially academia has been co-opted by PC bullcrap.

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. That PC bullcrap is not permeating our whole society and that diversity isn't being pushed as means of societal control? That's just plainly false.

Lol at the retards ITT.Races need to be seperated,but they arent enemies.Its divide and conquer at finest by the elites.Your enemy is the elites.

>>18678176
Tell me where I said that there are no conservatives in academia.
My claim is, and always has been, that academia, as an influence within society, is a force which is left-wing relative to the societal average of the whole USA, and that it is false that academia is a force that shares a "hatred of immigration and diversity".

>>18678182
>That doesn't mean that they can express that opinion or have any societal change. One can hope, but that's not the reality of today. The whole of society and especially academia has been co-opted by PC bullcrap.
>
>I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. That PC bullcrap is not permeating our whole society and that diversity isn't being pushed as means of societal control? That's just plainly false.

Republican universities with entirely Republican professors exist, just as many outliers as full-leftist ones. Even within those leftist are a spectrum that goes from Che Guevara to neoliberals who are overtly center-right and against M4A religiously.

My entire point is that America contains both, and to pretend Republicans are not represented in cosmopolitan locations and academic ones is literally a canard rightists swallow to make themselves feel special.

Have you never heard of leftists having to deal with "that professor"?

>>18678229
To date, you have not explained why you are not including Republican universities in your analysis. Perhaps it is you are baiting me.

There are academic fields in which leftists do not hold the majority. That should be simple to understand.

>workers too racist to unite against Jeff bezos
Then they deserve all they get

At some point people are going to have to wonder if there is a mass communist majority in every single city, why we have a USA instead of a USSA. It's because the reality is far more balanced, and there are many rightists all over the place. Perhaps they are not far-rightist, but that does not mean they do not exist. Far-rightism itself is new in character, but ascendant in the Trump term

>>18677186
They’re okay but they just need to pay better wages and more taxes

>>18678238
Ok, so you're arguing against the leftist/cosmopolitan bias in academia. Yep, you're just retarded. Usually they rather tend to respond with
>and that's a good thing
but I guess going for denial of reality is not totally unexpected either.

Furthermore, I would challenge that in the corporate sphere, rightism is extremely common, but masked not for their bosses' sake, but for the sake of the customer. That is, they do not care if you hate blacks and trade unions - in fact they prefer it - but if you reveal your power level publicly you only have yourself to blame for the inevitable sack.

>>18678281
You're presuming a bias that does not exist so you can feel special. The funny thing is, you're also on /biz/ shilling for Republicans, and think that is indicative of Republicans NOT being in the business sphere.

>>18678247
Probably the case. Economics is reasonably balanced - so what?

Let's just whittle this down to a single question, independent of whatever we've said before, so that I can stop seething:

Is academia, in general, as a force within the united states, something which "entirely hates diversity and immigration"? That's it, just a yes/no answer. I say no. Do you say yes?

>>18678265
>Far-rightism itself is new
These are the people I share "investment advice" with...

>>18678238
>Have you never heard of leftists having to deal with "that professor"?

Notice how it's "that professor" as if he's an exceptional case. It's almost as if the academic market share is controlled by "those professors."

>>18678265
>Far-rightism itself is new in character, but ascendant in the Trump term
Where do you get your opinions from? Huffington post? How could you possibly believe that the "far-right" is a new thing?
The opinions of the far-right might be more popular now than ten years ago, but they're certainly less popular now than fifty years ago. So how is this new?

>>18678176
>right-leaning universities

huh?

>>18677094
Amazon may be exploiting the fact that people are stupid, but it is not Amazon's fault that you are stupid, it is your own.

>>18678302
You're trying to tie me to a position I haven't asserted; I'm saying half is Republican, half is Democrat, and electoral results match my data.

>>18678310
Right, I forgot all the Kekistani marches in 1950

>>18678311
There are some rightist professors in leftist universities. There are no leftist professors in rightist universities.

>>18678325
I said they were ascendant and new in character, because people weren't shilling for Hitler in 2001-2011. You can pretend it isn't new and they always were at these levels, but I'm just marking down an observable trend.

>>18678333
See, you fully intend to excise Rightists Univeristies from the data the same way you gave a sorry excuse for Fox News.

Lastly, Stalin did nothing wrong. You girls have a good day.

>>18678352
The Turner Diaries were published in 1978

>>18678352
Alright I'll give you a 3/10 for the bait because you fooled me once. Enjoy your (you)

>>18678352
>You're trying to tie me to a position I haven't asserted; I'm saying half is Republican, half is Democrat, and electoral results match my data.
That half of professors are Republican certainly false. Find me one representative study which affirms this. Regardless, your original claim was this:
"rightists don't question the fact that their hatred of diversity and immigration is shared entirely by [] academia."
That is an assertion, and you asserted it. Stop lying.

>Right, I forgot all the Kekistani marches in 1950
Do you even want anyone to respond to this? This is in jest? That pepe the frog is the only form that 'far-rightism' can take?

>You can pretend it isn't new and they always were at these levels
I didn't say this. Literally. I did not say that they were always at these levels. In the post you were responding to, it LITERALLY says "The opinions of the far-right might be more popular now than ten years ago".
The standards which nowadays pass for "far-right cultural beliefs" are literally the beliefs of sheltered suburban mothers 65 years ago.

>>18678352
>let me make baseless claims with no proof and act smug about it the post

>>18678416
He's just baiting you, why do you fall for it ?

>>18677570
Liberals will criticize these big corporations, but they will never actually do anything because these companies pay lip service to liberal politics.

Same thing as how Bernie spent his entire life in politics and never put any bills forward. It's because he supports the corporate globohomo over all else.

Bezo hates Trump, therefore Bezo good Orange man bad.

>>18678472
He probably is
There are some number of millions of people who would genuinely hold those positions, I suppose that's why I'm entertaining the idea that it's real. That there's someone on the other end of that post genuinely thinking that they've proven their intellectual superiority.

>>18678369
And they did not create the far-right numbers we are seeing today. Publishing one book is not a movement. The newest phase of far-rightism is new in character.

>>18678416
>That pepe the frog is the only form that 'far-rightism' can take?
Pepe the frog is the current form, which is being argued as having always existed, which I mentioned as ascendant and new-in-character. It is on you to bridge pepe to Rockwell.

>>18678511
>That there's someone on the other end of that post genuinely thinking that they've proven their intellectual superiority.
Being that I am completely ambivalent about my position and prefer humility to pained attempts at internet superiority, it would most accurately describe you.

Mao was right about landlords.

>>18678523
>I am completely ambivalent about my position
based

Cosmopolitan would by nature include the urban business class, which would lean Republican

>>18677505
Some people dont know that with Macron and Pompidou we now have 2 presidents that literally worked for a Rothshild bank before becoming president. And most french still just equate rothschild with cookie coocoo

>>18678523
>Mao was right about landlords
No, but he must be praised for his efforts in combating communism, since he killed 60 million of you subhumans

>>18677505
Republican business men are also often Jewish, and when not, Zionist Dominionist Christian, which is de facto if not de jure the same thing.

>>18677334
Really? Can you link some sources, because this is the first I heard of this. Never knew it was well documented

>>18678523
>And they did not create the far-right numbers we are seeing today. Publishing one book is not a movement. The newest phase of far-rightism is new in character.

The only difference is that we stopped meeting up at gun shows and started meeting online.

>>18678569
And that's when you needed to be convinced you were snowflake outliers in 7 feet of snow

The Batistas were bad for Cuba

>>18677825
>numbers between 200-500k
Literal chump change when talking about US national business.

Nice unrepresentative data you fucking Ming.

>>18677105
Is a language barrier racism?

academia is entirely anti-diversity...

>>18677768
Hahahaha
Oh shit he's serious
Ahhhh hahahahahahaha

It isn't said nearly as often as it needs to around here lately but gas the kikes, race war now.

Far leftism is also actually suppressed more often than not by professors, who have relented in economic leftism in order to embrace milqetoast right-centrist 'social leftism'.

Professor is inherently a bourgeois class, and many cannot tell the difference between actual economic leftist and mask-on neoliberal center-rightism.

>>18677780
>urban republican
You mean the bastards that have been standing in our way this whole time? Get a fucking clue.
Not to mention
>Urban Republicans with funny hats

This is why leftism and progressivism always fail. It simply can't work in societies that are too multicultural. You can't be progressive in a country filled with the least progressive people.

America's last chance at progressivism was literally ruined by niggers. It simply can't work.

>>18677824
To be fair
>Undermines the structure of this nation by bringing in infinite migrants to help prevent unions
>Join a multiethnic union anyway
I guess that's really our only card left seeing as immigration reform by voting is clearly never going to happen, or at least has never happened since that bastard Reagan have amnesty the first time

>>18677851
>Secret club response
Anon take your meds

The idea that a "leftist" can be against M4A can only be called a capitalist bourgeois joke

America has a center-right and a slightly more center-right party.

>>18678559

yeah except not only did he not do that becaue that's a CIA lie but he killed a bunch of landlords and counter-revolutionaries, doubled the life expectancy of communists in china and turned china from a 3rd world shithole into the global powerhouse that it is today

>>18677738
Those are literally the biggest supporters and pushers of diversity. The same people you love and praise cause they say Orange man bad and change their company logo to rainbow flag colors

>>18677940
And now he's trying to deny the left wing influence of academia

>>18678709
>The same people you love and praise cause they say Orange man bad and change their company logo to rainbow flag colors
Don't confuse me for a social leftist

Czechoslovakia deserved it

Diversity = division
Unity = union

Was I not supposed to let a demon possess me? The super powers are pretty great.

>>18678646
Then shouldn't you begin to understand that it's entirely counter-productive for someone who's genuinely far-left (I presume you're some variant of communist and fly some red flag or other) to come to a hard-right forum and throw around the terms "left" and "right" and not understand how people might not understand what you're alluding to?

When people here talk about 'overwhelming leftism', they're not talking about the dominance of those people who agree with Marx on the nature of capital or understand dialectical materialism in a completely orthodox, strictly Marxist manner. When people here talk about 'leftism', the term refers primarily to the social aspects which define the modern left. And indeed, your brand of leftism (if you want to call it that) is now a minority, and is primarily relegated to the past. You are fringe. Nobody is saying that being pro-Stalin is a popular opinion.
People are claiming that there exists in these times, when compared to 1710, 1760, 1810, 1860, 1910 or 1960, in many many ways, a politico-social tendency which unites notions which may be vaguely bound as being anti-hierarchical or anti-traditional, and that those opinions which many on the "far-right" now hold would not be too out of place in a casual conversation in any of those by-gone eras.
That being against immigration, in favour of a relative ethnostate, against alternative sexualities, against alternative family structures, against alternative displays or interpretations of sex, that these things have been on a vast decline in the last sixty years, and are now fringe opinions which cannot be uttered in public without serious reprimand.

>>18677094
I can confirm. I'm middle management at a massive publicly traded company. I have more than 30 people reporting to me directly, nearly all niggers and spics that don't know how to read or write English. It's so shallow and obvious on its facade, we as in management constantly screech 'Diversity is our strength!' Let's breakdown this large group of management by their demographics
> My level
You have me, a white male, 2 white women, and 7 other white men
> Our bosses
5 white men
> Their boss
A white man
> His boss
A white woman
> Her boss
A white Male
> His boss
CEO, white male. My favorite part is on every bulletin board there's posters about our 'Non-union advantage'.

>>18677595
By why do young women in their prime flock to black men? It seems like only white men have a problem with them

>>18678251
See >>18677533

>>18677105
That’s some Jewish shape shifting if I’ve ever seen it. Drink bleach and die kike

>>18678100
What's likely is that both are right to some extent.
One doesn't explain the universality of pro immigration stances among the rich
The other doesn't explain why white neighborhoods are being targeted for section 8 housing or why both Sweden and Minnesota are being targeted for specifically somalian immigration.

>>18678808
It’ll eventually come toppling down. Governments can’t keep pushing niggers on us.

>>18677094
congratulations on learning about the tactic employed for time immemorial. Divide and Conquer/Rule.

>>18678726
Actually, I keep questioning why people would see a need to masks Republicans. And then you admitted you're all Republicans on /biz/. Still, you think the existence of you folks as an urban business class cannot be counted for what reason again?

Oh right, special snowflake theory

>>18678781
>come to a hard-right forum and throw around the terms "left" and "right" and not understand how people might not understand what you're alluding to?
Wings are always relative; /biz/ is not a political forum whatsoever so it is on you treasured creatures to declare your positions as well.

>When people here talk about 'leftism', the term refers primarily to the social aspects which define the modern left.
Neoliberal capitalists have literally always used this social position to undermine actual economic leftism: it's even the example here in the topic.

>People are claiming that there exists in these times, when compared to 1710, 1760, 1810, 1860, 1910 or 1960, in many many ways, a politico-social tendency which unites notions which may be vaguely bound as being anti-hierarchical or anti-traditional, and that those opinions which many on the "far-right" now hold would not be too out of place in a casual conversation in any of those by-gone eras.
Similarly, there are many social leftist positions advocated by supposed far-right idols today, like Trump's obsession with homosexuality legalization and "sudden wake up to Yang bucks." From my point, this is just the division of the right into a fake-left right and a lightly less fake-left right. Liberalism has always been an enemy of communism, and it has done this with the tools the neolib center is now using.

>That being against immigration, in favour of a relative ethnostate, etc etc, that these things have been on a vast decline in the last sixty years, and are now fringe opinions which cannot be uttered in public without serious reprimand.
And despite that, Bezos has found a use for ethnostaters to suppress unions

>>18678176
>Fox News is literally THE LARGEST mainstream news media there is
It's also the only vaguely right wing one, and sometimes barely gets to keep that title.
You have to add MSNBC and CNN together to get the whole picture.

>>18678833
Lol. Whites will lose their ability to democratically resist the demographic shift and even though we could collectivize now, the white psyche is far too infiltrated. Less than 50% of white women born after 1989 had ANY children. Whites are no longer a majority under age 18 in USA. Hispanics will vote around ethnic lines, aka, democrat pro immigration pro welfare.

But just think of all the tacos and great food!

>>18678238
>Republican universities with entirely Republican professors exist
Where?

>>18678247
Such as?

Imagine staying in a thread for over a hour and a half after being btfo and still believing you are right.

>>18678350
>Amazon is leveraging the community you built to attack foreigners
>You now have to allow this to happen and cooperate with your replacements to have a chance at surviving
This is true but a hard pill to swallow especially for people who aren't used to viewing the US as a 3rd world shithole

>>18677105

fpbp. I think most here agree that racism is a creation and tool of the ruling class to keep the working class from organizing and doing anything about the existing hegemony, the question is what should be done about that. So why would the answer be to dig in your heels and be more racist and try for an impossible utopian dream of ethnostates which is exactly what the ruling class wants us to do instead of putting the racism hoax aside for 5 fucking minutes and uniting around our shared class interests to overthrow them

Unions are bad for capitalism.
Bernie lost get over it fag

>>18678352
>I'm saying half is Republican, half is Democrat
No you weren't you

>>18678860
>Wings are always relative; /biz/ is not a political forum whatsoever so it is on you treasured creatures to declare your positions as well.
Come, you said earlier in the thread that /biz/ is a pol-lite. You know the biases of this board, and it's prudent to use terms that you expect to generate a shared understanding.

>Similarly, there are many social leftist positions advocated by supposed far-right idols today, like Trump's obsession with homosexuality legalization
Or perhaps you don't know the biases of the board. Few people here idolise MIGAman in 2020. but yes, people are opportunists, and powerful people generally have no consistent ideology or are in no position to consistently implement one

>And despite that, Bezos has found a use for ethnostaters to suppress unions
Any position which distracts people from something else is a potentially useful tool.
But there's no point here talking about the central point of whether or not an inability to unionise people who have less in common is due to some wh*teoid bigotry

>>18678472
Don't ascribe to malice that which you can ascribe to stupidity.

>>18678646
>Far leftism is also actually suppressed more often than not by professors
No it's not.

>>18679018
stupidity is malicious

>>18678704
There's two parties
A center left party and a party larping as the other party from 20 years ago

>>18678896
Religious

>>18678880
MSNBC & CNN do not match the viewship. If you're going to call it mainstream, judge them by the numbers.

>>18678907
Finance

>>18678908
Imagine changing your views because of the 4chan guestbook

>>18678967
>you said earlier in the thread that /biz/ is a pol-lite
I like to encourage polite people

> You know the biases of this board, and it's prudent to use terms that you expect to generate a shared understanding.
I do not consider the average poster very well versed in ideology; mostly it's just a jumble of parroted memes that they barely understand. If someone expects me to care about their position on biz, they better explain their unique overton window. I would say with gravity 4pol is not national socialist.

>Or perhaps you don't know the biases of the board. Few people here idolise MIGAman in 2020. but yes, people are opportunists, and powerful people generally have no consistent ideology or are in no position to consistently implement one
Trump's obsession with homosexuality legalization in foreign countries betrays his position as one that is willing to accomodate social leftism. Capitalists have actually always been this way, trying to prevent the rise of powerful left-economic structures through social causes. It's an extremely old technique, for the bourgeoise.

>Any position which distracts people from something else is a potentially useful tool.
>But there's no point here talking about the central point of whether or not an inability to unionise people who have less in common is due to some wh*teoid bigotry
Racists have literally always suppressed worker organizations in the name of their supposed muttery

>>18679037
Name the Soviet which runs your local university. Oh wait, it's a President who siphons off most of the university cash directly into his pockets? Sounds like your standard for far leftism includes rightist businessmen parasites. Not a surprise. I'm not convinced you know what an actual far leftist is.

>>18678952
Because you neglect human nature in your equation for success and ironically try to counter propositionally achieve utopian unity among widely divergent people's and groups, also naively assuming that you can drag other people uphill to achieve what you want, assuming that is what they want or are capable of achieving anyway. Also there will always be a vanguard, there will always be a hierarchy in any civilization, you should want less distance and more in common with those that govern and rule you and people like you, not more, lest they seperate themselves and create a makeshift slave class.

>>18677094
No shit. This strategy is used in western europa since the 1970s.

>>18678895
Heads up loser
Democracy has already failed us, we don't been voting for immigration reform for 40 years
Oh no we lose the thing we never had
I'm so sad

>>18679075
>Imagine changing your views because of the 4chan guestbook
what?

>>18679100
You don't get it. You also type like a subhuman.

>>18679110
IMAGINE CHANGING YOUR VIEWS BECAUSE OF COMMENTARY ON A GEOCITIES GUESTBOOK

>>18678860
>Still, you think the existence of you folks as an urban business class cannot be counted for what reason again?
They are in an extreme minority.

>>18678146
It is quite funny, that it was not "muh immigrunts" that led to the downfall of the blue belt.

It was companies who simply left the country to produce in different countries, where labor is cheap.

>>18679124
>Bosses run the company, have a ton of workers
>Boss is rightist
>Workers are leftist

Why not judge the businesses by the one who controls it?

>>18677595
Typical alt-right cognitive dissonance. Capitalism is responsible for mass immigration and diversity, objectively and directly, not with words or propaganda, but concretely in the hard reality, but it is socialists that are cancer. And i don't like socialism. But i'm fed up with these alt right retards who support Capitalism with one hand and reject mass immigration with the other hand. This is contradictory.

>>18679075
>MSNBC & CNN do not match the viewship
Fox News 2.57mil
MSNBC 1.80mil
CNN. 1.00mil
You do the math
>All of your other retarded claims
I'm not even going to bother you have been btfo'd on them enough this thread

>>18679120
Enlighten me, overman.

>>18679178
>Fox News is small
>I'm not even going to bother
I don't think you were bothering before

>you have been btfo'd
I'll never understand these childish terms

>>18679144
That's a nice assumption you have there bud

>>18679163
Its almost like what we have for ‘socialists’ in the US are even hungrier for swarthy brown illegal immigrant dick

See: bernies policy positions on immediate citizenship for all “undocumented” with free medical included

>>18679075
>If someone expects me to care about their position on biz, they better explain their unique overton window.
Imagine having an overton window so far from any remotely reasonable person that it is only shared by three other trannies on leftypol and saying this.

>>18679214
I'm laughing at the idea you think there are remotely reasonable people on /biz/

>>18679075
I suppose it's entirely possible to converse with you on anything like this, as it usually tends to be.
My main gripe with communists is their inability to suppose that the non-communists they're speaking to have their own deep-rooted ideological justifications, and that communists appear to have some extreme difficulty in separating the capitalism of Marxism and the capitalism of ("libertarian") capitalists. Conflating the two makes discussion impossible. Though it's partly the "right's" fault for being stupid enough to adopt the term "capitalism" in describing its own ideas".

>>18677094

This is why: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/technology/amazon-somali-workers-minnesota.html#commentsContainer

>Ms. Mohamed and scores of East African colleagues, many of them, like her, born in Somalia, responded in an unusual way for Amazon workers: They organized to complain.

>>18679197
Your claim was that fox news was the largest by far
My claim was that you don't see the whole picture until you factor in both of the large left wing outlets.
Judging by this exchange it's no wonder you struggle with understanding things.

>>18679208
Don't bother, you'll be told that Bernie proposes those things because he's a capitalist or to appease capitalists

>>18679075
>Name the Soviet which runs your local university
I had plenty of Marxist profs in college, name a single accredited University with a single open fascist in it's employ

>>18679241
>2018

>>18679208
>not adressing a single point
The best cuck is the cuck who thinks he is not a cuck.

>>18678952
Bezos isn't telling his workers to be racist. He is exploiting the fact that diversity causes mass chaos and alienation to prevent the wage cagies from organizing. Diversity is the tool of the elites and it's the workers who are racist (as they should be) for not being able to function as a group under conditions of diversity.

>>18678952
Yhe, let's join the Arabs fresh off the boats they will help overthrow the ruling class, races don't exist!

>>18679273
fascist and neo-liberal are synonymous to these people, so there's your answer. someone in a community college somewhere said that transsexualism wasn't normal

>>18679315
>fascist and neo-liberal are synonymous to these people
No.

>>18679299
Best take in this thread desu

How can you be for Capitalism but at the same time against immigration and diversity? It's obvious that Capitalism benefits from these things and has an interest in those policies. You're fighting against the flow of the river because that is the natural course of Capitalism.

>Rational choice theory is an economic theory that assumes rational behavior on the part of individuals
Entropic choice theory is superior.

>My main gripe with communists is their inability to suppose that the non-communists they're speaking to have their own deep-rooted ideological justifications, and that communists appear to have some extreme difficulty in separating the capitalism of Marxism and the capitalism of ("libertarian") capitalists. Conflating the two makes discussion impossible. Though it's partly the "right's" fault for being stupid enough to adopt the term "capitalism" in describing its own ideas".
If rightists wanted to resurrect the economic theories of national socialism they have only their arms to blame. Adopting ideologically inferior positions out of peer pressure indicates the ideology was never that important to them. Again, I choose my own politics because I am a free person, and find it difficult to understand those who must assume varied positions in order to 'fit in,' because this has never mattered to me.

>>18679246
>Your claim was that fox news was the largest by far
>Also you: Fox News 2.57mil
Your own data says Fox News is the largest by far. It's literally meaningless not to include Fox News as a Mainstream Media.

>>18679273
Plenty of Marxist profs.. who did not own or control the university, because that is left to a shameless neoliberal capitalist.
>name a single accredited University with a single open fascist in it's employ
America does not have fascists.

>>18679315
>fascist and neo-liberal are synonymous to these people
Nah, fascism as an ideology was concentrated in Benito Moussolini's idea of the revival of Rome, and is found nowhere among the milqetoast neolib centrists in the US. I have had plenty of relations with people actually matching the description, from a variety of states. US isn't one of them.

Meta question:
Have you ever met someone who unironically believes what the odd man out in this thread believes?

>>18679299
Racism is easy d&c that makes the working class unable to assume an ideological position, it's literally baby's first hammer on the skull of communism, and has been used for hundreds of years in this way.

The White movement of Russia did this all the time.

>>18679337
because maybe people have ideological structures underpinning their beliefs which are different to your own

>>18679337
How can you live within capitalist society with these supposedly risky positions and presume yourself an outlier instead of part of a national trend that elected a realtor to be CIC?

>>18679344
>Rational choice theory is an economic theory that assumes rational behavior on the part of individuals
As the most extreme capitalist you'll ever meet, I've honestly never spoken to a single person who genuinely held rational choice theory to be true. I've seen it far more used in strawmen than being held by actual 'capitalists'. Even during my time at university, it was only employed as a means to simplify empiricist economic modelling, but was understood to be faulty.
I've noticed that "rational choice theory", as well as "capitalists require infinite growth" and "trickle-down theory" are things which exist much more in anti-capitalist circles than in 'capitalist' circles.

>>18679357
I spit on the idea that the average person following bandwagons knows what they're talking about because of the size of the bandwagon. In fact, I assume their stupidity instead, and assume they were not free enough to think for themselves.

>>18679120
This guy is right >>18679100
USA is an oligarchy. Government actions have almost no correlation with what the majority wants.

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

>>18677108
Didn't read; not selling

>>18679443
Rational choice theory is literally the opener to Economics 101 in nearly every academic study of it, and as you say is used in order to create their models. If they did not really believe in it, why do they not use a model which properly demonstrates the entropy that society actually reflects?

Because the intelligentia is a type of burgeoise

>>18678952
>I think most here agree that racism is a creation and tool of the ruling class to keep the working class from organizing and doing anything about the existing hegemony

no. racism existed since we lived in tiny tribes.

>>18679344
>Fox news
2.5 mil
>Left wing news outlets out together
2.8 mill
The viewership among cable TV watchers roughly translates to the voting pattern of the US.
I don't see a reason to call it an outlier in any respect nor do I see it as a particularly interesting point to bring up.
Being the single largest, in context, makes no difference.

>>18679454
So I take that as a no.

>>18677094
Makes perfect sense, honestly. Work is about making profit, not fucking around at the water cooler. Setting up opportunities for conflicting unions and subgroups to form when you want a united workforce is a danger to revenue. Make it so the only group to join is the company itself.

>>18679495
>Left wing news outlets out together
So put ring wing news outlets together. Literally making a 2v1 for no purpose other than to cook the books.

Being the largest means it's the most MAINSTREAM mass media.

>>18679511
>Have I ever met anyone like me
There is no one like me. There is only me. That's what freedom is.

When I was cast, the mold was shattered asunder. Thank your capitalist stars you were lucky enough to writhe in my shadow.

>>18679478
>If they did not really believe in it, why do they not use a model which properly demonstrates the entropy that society actually reflects?
Because that is the empiricist-positivist way of doing things, in short. The university economists can barely be said to have an ideology of their own (or, better said, they're not aware of their own ideology, and it certainly should not be taken to be representative of any actual right-wing 'capitalistic' ideology). They just claim to love "science". They admit the fault in the theory, but do not care because they're above all pragmatists, and are content with being carried by the waves beneath them about which they are entirely ignorant. They are fine with the theory being false in its analytics, as long as it appears to match the data they wish it to match.
They do not analyse the propositions of rational choice theory and understand it, analytically speaking, to be correct, they just fling it around and see it being apparently effective.

The reason I say this is because misinterpreting this normal usage of the belief as being instead an ideological underpinning believed in "for itself" leads one to critique an opinion which isn't actually held. "Economists" don't care if gravity exists, they care if they can use the theory to roughly describe what happens when they drop a piece of fruit

Yes, intelligentsia is a type of bourgeois

>>18679552
>Literally making a 2v1 for no purpose other than to cook the books.
Anon, the reason you add them together is because both CNN and MSNBC are in the top 20 most watched channels on cable
Number 2 and number 14 respectively.
I don't even know if there is a second right wing news outlet on cable.
>Cook the books
You really like that phrase, you might want to understand what it means before you use it though.

>>18679163
It's the idiots who lean socialist that are always pushing for open borders and diversity, the center-right just goes along with it because if they don't the (((system))) will crush them.
If capitalism is responsible for dildoworld, then explain how the 19th century US was hypercapitalist without being a rainbow-colored shithole.

>>18679580
>The university economists can barely be said to have an ideology of their own
Economists on reddit literally founded the r/neoliberal subreddit and seeded it with economist memes. I wouldn't take that as a barometer for defining them all, but neoliberalism is certainly the beating political heart of economist teachers. Pragmatic evidence-based theory is their go-to identity. They not only believe in their models, they use them as economic scientists to defend their political suppositions. The moderators of r/Economics and r/Neoliberal are tautologically the same. 1:1
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/
https://www.reddit.com/r/economics/

>The reason I say this is because misinterpreting this normal usage of the belief as being instead an ideological underpinning believed in "for itself" leads one to critique an opinion which isn't actually held. "Economists" don't care if gravity exists, they care if they can use the theory to roughly describe what happens when they drop a piece of fruit
This may describe so-called economist independents at best, and there are those who do their best to adopt the position, but as a rule the entire field leans into neoliberal centrism. They're also famously intolerant of communists.

>>18679657
>you might want to understand what it means before you use it though
I'm saying falsifying data to avoid the simple truth Fox News is NUMBER ONE on that list, is only done because you again, for no discernable purpose, seek to mask Republicans as an outlier instead of the mainstream that they are.

>>18679718
>I'm saying falsifying data to avoid the simple truth
Lol ok retard

>>18679718
I agree with everything you responded to me with.
I don't think that they don't believe in their models, I rather believe that they believe in their models in an entirely different way that you believe in the words of Marx (or so I assume) and I believe in the words of Kant.
I don't really see these people as players in any ideological game in the slightest, their opinions are entirely irrelevant to any larger picture.

>>18679274

It's called they learned from their mistakes, anon.

>>18677166
>bulwark
Now there's a shitcoin I haven't heard in a while

>>18679786
fair enough

>>18679750
>stops quoting when i say fox is number one
lmao mask off eh? how much fox news you watch

>>18679777
checked. it's biden's most fervent subreddit, r/joebiden included. i wouldn't say i like them or even tolerate them, but they are what they are, a democrat big-tent that despises communism.

>>18679365
You don't get to pick and choose random beliefs that go against one another without huge cognitive dissonance. Capitalist societies have always been the most liberal. Immigration helps move labor around allowing Capitalists to exploit cheaper labor increasing their profit margins. If you are against this you are anti-Capitalist. Same with diversity as you just saw. If you are a Capitalist your number one goal is to preserve it. As it was just shown diversity helps to protect Capitalism by dividing the people who want to go against it, working people.

>>18679839
You misunderstand what I mean by capitalism, I suppose. Don't worry about it, my overton window is on Saturn

>>18679359
Racism isn't "d&c", it's the product of divergent evolution that far predates any notion of a market economy or class struggle. Ignoring it guarantees that your revolution will be infinitely postponed because nonwhites see capitalism as a winnable racial competition for government gibs rather than an oppressive system.

>>18677738
>>18677105

They are literally the biggest bootlicking faggots whose heads are so far up their own asses they don’t realize they are the biggest most loyal weapons of the Jews they complain so much about. Only in white America can you be so fucking delusional. White America is the reason “they” can’t be lose and they’re never is any class cooperation.

>>18679877
Racism is the definition of D&C, as d&c refers to the Divide & Conquer British Imperialist strategy that played African races against each other in order to keep the British race in primacy over them.

Return to me after you have studied the actual history of D&C, my D&Ced friend

>>18677094
This doesnt surprise me https://youtu.be/MbBlXWHIsps

>>18679839
Tell me, very simply, why a capitalist would exploit everyone in a country EXCEPT for the racists

>>18679681
>It's the idiots who lean socialist that are always pushing for open borders and diversity
Except that's simply not true you cartoon posting dimwit. Leftist countries historically have had the opposite of "open borders" and "diversity" because there is no interest in doing so like there is under Capitalism. Capitalists pin you idiots against each other and yet behind the scenes push for rampant immigration and diversity in the workplace mediated by Human Resources and yet you morons think they're secret redpilled race realists that are on your side. Unbelievable.

>>18677094
A lot of people already knew this. It's why not everyone who rolls their eyes at diversity is a /pol/ style racist.

>>18679931
>Leftist countries historically have had the opposite of "open borders" and "diversity
just stop typing you fucking midwit

>>18679926
Ahaha what the fuck based

>>18677094
Yeah no shit, there is a reason why unions used to beat up immigrants on the border.

>>18679939
Imagine thinking West Germany (Capitalist) was more white than East Germany (Socialist)

Literally look at demographic maps

>>18679908
If Africans had realized that they were all niggers, they could have united against the British (not that they would win).

>>18678352
>There are some rightist professors in leftist universities. There are no leftist professors in rightist universities.


you genuinely made me laugh, and I think you just coined a new term "rightist universities"

>>18680008
The same applies for every nation; if the country attained a national consciousness through either national worker's socialism or civic national socialism, they no longer have a need for the capitalist parasite class to have black worker fight white worker in the WWE

>>18679939
Yes USSR, NK, China had unparalleled levels of immigration. Dumb cocksucker.

>>18677108
theres an article on gizmodo about it, use google

>>18679939
And lol equating Liberals with Leftists

>>18679457
this is big
I always knew that intuitively, but didn't have the research to support it

>>18679908
The bantu africans were genociding the pygmys and xhosa africans and were stopped by the british empire imposing laws on the territories. The "white man divided our harmonious tribes" bullshit is kikery made up to demonize whites for trying to help the underdeveloped nations of africa. The reality is that living standards increased exponentially with the arrival of european colonists, but since at the end of the day, every person is an ethnonationalist, the multicultural colonial nations saw massive resistance to foreign rule despite the massively increased living conditions.

>>18680088
>leftists are not libshits ok Nazi?
>we don't think alike, you fucking Nazi
>refugees welcome, say no to racism guise

>>18680126
>to demonize whites for trying to help
whites came to africa to help

you cant tell me you literally believe this

>>18680055
The black worker is not fighting the white worker. The white worker is fighting everybody else thinking they’re stone cold spraying beer from a truck hose

>>18677105
>so racism keeps the workers down
>he thinks it's just a matter of acceptance
And this is the reason why (((they))) will rule forever over you.

>>18680132
>Capitalists in West Germany invited Turks to work for them rather than pay wages
>Socialists in East Germany remained entirely German in the same time period
>AfD leads in East Germany, barely found in the west

Le tanky basedboy is a creature of your own fabrication.

>>18680156
>altruistic whites again
You can't really tell me you believe this White Men's Burden rocksock

>>18680150
Zimbabwe during its Rhodesia days and South Africa pre-apartheid were in a way better state than what they currently are under nigger rule, you absolute fucking retard. Try to even disprove this.

>Whiter than you, westoid

>>18680156
>The black worker is not fighting the white worker
Literally "dindu nuffin"

>>18680150
What is "the white man's burden"? It might just have been a justification for conquest, but I ask you what population needs to justify conquest by saying the reason they are doing it is to help? It's obvious to anyone looking at history without tinted glasses that the europeans didn't go to africa just to keep the black man down, as evidenced by how much investment the colonies got from the motherland. If the whites really were there just to rob the africans, why is there a direct correlation between higher living standards today and back in colonial days to the length of european rule and to the amount of european settlers?

>>18680208
Read the thread you’re in. MLK was murdered for gaining traction when explaining this very thing to white workers.

>>18680192
oh man, thank god, the whites tripped and fell on all those natural resources they built raillines to move, all to help the blackie, who said "lawd, lawd please bring a pretty whitey to save me from society."

and the civil war, man, those demonic northerners, tearing beloved plantation owners from their weeping slaves! oh! how they miss them! how dare the north deny us white sublimity!

yes suh yes suh boss hogg came us here to give us the jaaysus and teach us how to play rock and roll

>>18680219
People do not conquer others to "help." They do it to exploit resources and labor. At least be capitalist about it. The white savior theory is cringy a.f.

>>18680173
That's because no one in their right mind would want to immigrate to a commie shithole, retard. Remember, the Berlin wall was to keep East Germans in, not to keep West Germans out, you faggot commie

>>18680250
>no one in their right mind would want to immigrate to a commie shithole, retard.
>the Berlin wall was to keep East Germans in, not to keep West Germans out
Funny how that wall kept the Turks capitalists asked to immigrate into Germany to replace their workers OUT OF EAST GERMANY

>>18678952
>Don't try for an impossible utopian dream of ethnostates
>Do try for an impossible utopian dream of Socialism.
kek, how retarded are you? Ethnostates have always been the default state of humanity and are deeply ingrained in our nature. Your commie bullshit never has and only leads to corruption and mass death.

>>18680173
>Le
Half of this board is reddit

>>18680325
Yeah, total coincidence how the Warsaw Pact was made of entirely homogenous socialist ethnostates.

Pure. Coincidence.

>>18680245
>exploit labour
>at least be capitalist about it
Commie spotted
>People do not conquer others to "help"
Wars for liberation are very common actually. I guess commie brainlets don't understand the concept of multiple factors, It's not that every person has only one intention behind every action, maybe they wanted an increased production base, and also wanted to build up africa. It doesn't really matter what intentions you want to ascribe though since the result of colonization on the african population is an exponential increase in living standards. The only thing you are arguing is that the intentions were sinister, and since neither of us can read minds, I will just look at the result of their actions instead of trying to fit them being evil into my world view. I'm not in favour of colonization because multicultural societies fall apart every time, but colonists weren't cartoon villians.

>>18680364
>whites were LIBERATING africa
God this is hilarious. Blacks needed you so much, they dumped you into mass graves as they declared a nation without you

>>18680325
Socialist states have been bigger ethnostates than you could ever hope for anyway mutt lmao

>>18678646
Great posts btw. Btfo’d the entire low iq special snowflake hypocrite pol refugee scourge.

>>18679931

Dumbest post on 4chan. I hope you're getting paid to post this. It'd be ridiculous to embarrass yourself like this for free, even if it's shitposting or bait

>>18677595
A little less obvious next time fren

>>18680387
Nothing of the sort happened. The entire thread is people flinging shit at one another without trying to understand what the other person is actually attempting to communicate.

>>18680344
>political pact=nation's society

>>18680192
https://www.google.com/amp/s/businesstech.co.za/news/general/143036/21-ways-life-in-south-africa-has-improved-since-1994/amp/

>>18680426
>entirely homogenous socialist ethnostates aren't a nation's society
kek

>>18680387
some people just need to read books

>>18680423
I'm actually a huge advocate of 'knowing your enemy', so I rip information from people, willingly or not, and use it for my personal interests. Ignorance rewards none.

>>18680378
Literally not what I said, I was responding to your general point that nobody ever conquers anyone else to help which is literally wrong. If whites acted like blacks with the competitive advantage they had, african populations would have been genocided on first contact, but europeans built africa up and thrust them into the modern world instead. You're either pretending to be retarded or you're actually too stupid to understand what I'm saying.

>>18680245
Commie, Marx's theorys are nearly 150 years old now. We've learned some things since then. Mainly, the field of evelutionary psychology has come about, and the fact that in group preferences exist on a genetic level.

I'm going to say this real quick, Marx was mostly right about everything he said related to economics. Capitalism is undoubtedly shit, and it's clear at this point that the powers that be are consolidating power.


With that said, Capitalist aren't "causing racism" they're exploiting it. Now, when I say this it isn't to defend them, it's to prevent people from having a gross misunderstanding of the situation. People are tribal and racist by nature and for any economic revolution to succeed it must take that into consideration.

The diversity shit pushed by neoliberals (and that includes republicans) is dangerous preciously because of how it interacts with human nature. You cant have a successful revolution with disparate unrelated ethnic groups. You unironically need an ethno state to make it happen. This where the likes of Giovanni Gentile gets his criticism of Marx right, he understood the rootlessness of cosmopolitanism and how it breaks down sociatal bonds.

People are racist, let's quit talking about whether or not that's a good thing and just accept that it's the way it is, once we are willing to do that we can come up with a workable solution. But Mark my words, until you are willing to accept that fact, you will never get your revolution.

Especially ideology books

>>18680461
>>People do not conquer others to "help"
>Wars for liberation are very common actually.
t. you

>>18680457
>I rip information from people, willingly or not, and use it for my personal interests.
Literally what do you mean by this?

>>18680468
Actually, I find civic ideological nationalism superior to racial theory.

>>18680479
That I am hanging on every word you say and factoring it into my future considerations. I have no need to obfuscate or hide that which does not agree with me. I seek to understand it, for that is how you beat it.

>>18680473
Ok so you're just too stupid to read, you quoted me as saying:
>whites were LIBERATING africa
While i said:
>Wars for liberation are very common actually.

>>18679681
Our system wasn't run by kikes back then

>>18680457
>implying territories are not separated
It's like saying that polish people weren't living in poland because "everything was just a big nation".

>>18680492
Well, remember that true capitalism is esoteric neo-feudalism

>>18680492
>Civic nationalism

It's working out great for America, right?

How fucking retarded are you?

>People explicitly saying it's the fact that the workers are diverse as to why unions are prevented and nothing outside of that

It's amazing some of you retards still don't understand that the us vs them mentality of race is why the elites are able to easily keep the common man down, and it's been drilled into people's heads for decades in the modern era. Tell a poor white dude it's that poor black guy's fault his life isn't better and he'll never give a shit about licking the boots of the elites who don't give a shit about anyone's race because they know class is everything

>>18677094
>This is why economic ((((elites)))) support diversity.
You're deluded. (((They))) very much hate whites and want us gone. This is just an added bonus.

>>18677974
>rise up
dilate

>>18680530
It's actually genetic.

Also, if it's so easily exploitable, then the only logical conclusion is to prevent Oligarchs from exploiting it by making it's exploitation impossible. E.g. an ethno state. Wow, the problem just went away like that!

>>18680530
this is ignoring the reality that the 'elites' are a tiny ethnic minority of jews who are entirely apposed to non jews as a whole, but more specifically their biggest enemies, white europeans

>>18680507
>Wars for liberation are very common actually.
...
>It doesn't really matter what intentions you want to ascribe though since the result of colonization on the african population is an exponential increase in living standards. The only thing you are arguing is that the intentions were sinister, and since neither of us can read minds, I will just look at the result of their actions instead of trying to fit them being evil into my world view. I'm not in favour of colonization because multicultural societies fall apart every time, but colonists weren't cartoon villians.

If you weren't trying to say whites were liberating Africa, why did you lead with this and then describe exactly whites liberating africa from their impoverished economic conditions, even ascribing to them an altruism that can only be described as cookie-cutter White-Man's-Burden?

>>18680514
Stalin literally invented what you called Poland today as an ethnostate structure to succeed the Polish state that was extant before it, explicitly removing the parts that Hitler gave to Russia during the Molotov-Ribbentrof compact. This great commie literally built the Warsaw Pact on the structure of ethno-states, and that is the only reason Eastern Europe is so pure today.

It did not immigrate literal Turks into the heart of Germany to displace angry workers the way Capitalist West Germany did.

AfD's strongest regions are in East Germany for a reason.

>>18680524
Capitalists love neoliberal color revolutions too much to adopt such a dated fascimile of an ancient system.. except for the Shah. That was esoteric neo-feudalism of high capitalist character.

>>18680526
How many ethno-states are in America? How many civic states? Exactly. The fact you need to punctuate your posts with insults reveals how fragile your position is.

>>18677094
Now extrapolate... I’ll give you a hint, the government is amazon

>>18680585
>the 'elites' are a tiny ethnic minority of jews
Sure, if you want to ignore the Zionist Christian Dominionist aligned with Israel all over the United States dominating in every single field. But someone who supports racial D&C would want to do that.

>>18680592

>How many ethno-states are in America? How many civic states?

None, and it's turning into a capitalist hell hole as a result.

>>18680617
50 civic states under 1 federal civic state superstructure. There WAS an ethnostate. It was called the Confederacy of the United States. And it died.

wow, this thread really brought out a lot of delicious commie seethe. good job OP

>>18680637
Yes, and the industrial capitalists in the north killed it. Capitalists hate racial unification.

>>18680637
Infact, had the Confederates won the civil war, you'd likely have had a much easier time with getting your economic revolution off the ground.

>>18677094
Oh, please. Did you forget how the Irish and Italians were treated in the U.S.? And look at how the Irish and English are constantly fighting each other. WW2, shit ton of infighting among whites in Europe. Give me a fucking break, man. If America were made all-white or even 99% white, there'd still be a lack of cohesion, and the upper-echelons of society would still exploit that in their divide-and-conquer strategies, and you "red-pilled" morons fall for it 100% of the time. When will you fuckheads learn that it's the haves vs. the have-nots?

>>18680676
Classical socialism actually encouraged it, as monolithic homogeneous races are a great structure for disseminating socialist materials in the home language of the socialist, while also making it easy to redeploy the USSR to problematic nationalities that adopted rightist religious extremism, like when the Capitalist United States funded Islamic Extremists in Pakistan to attack the Communist Afghan government.

>>18680592
Thanks for your posts anon. You are a juggernaut destroying all the /pol/yps lol

>>18680492
>I find civic ideological nationalism superior to racial theory.
>just import all of africa and SA
>what can go wrong?
>everyone's the same, maan
>race is skin deep
Brainlet.

>>18680699
The Irish successfully integrated. Blacks never did.

It's almost like being white had something to do with it.

But this is bait, so whatever.

>>18680592
>How many ethno-states are in America? How many civic states? Exactly. The fact you need to punctuate your posts with insults reveals how fragile your position is.
It's not sustainable, you moron. Since american got multi-racial in the last decades, due to white traitors and jews, everything's gone downhill. The country has never been more splintered and unhappy. And it's only going to get worse. Things will really turn to shit when whites becomes a minority.

>>18680617
>turning into a capitalist hell hole
>n-no, you can't have free trade
Fuck off, retarded commie.
>>18680727
You're far too stupid for politics. I wish you 80 iq redditors would realize that.

>>18680727
I do my best to wander into places where people do not agree with me, because that is truly how one's ideological vivacity can be proven

>>18680729
t. Shlomiya Bar-Yam, unironically

>>18680754
Capitalists have always exploited racial divides in order to compensate for class consciousness; if the confederacy was such a great model for white ethno-states, why did they import an entirely black slave class to do their work? Were there not whites who needed jobs too?

It is because in the end, racial supremacy does nothing for whites that are poor, other than massage a chip on the shoulder.

>>18680614
Christianity is judaism for gentiles. Jesus himself was a half jew half roman, the product of rape after roman soldiers sacked the city of nazareth. A Christian is, by design, a jewish puppet.

>>18680775
>Wants an ethno state
>Call him a commie
>Makes an 80iq Reddit joke

>>18680785
>t. Shlomiya Bar-Yam, unironically
>t. white leftist traitor and retard
>>18680785
>class meme
You fucking braindead commie faggot, you know nothing. Socialism is a terrible deal for whites, especially white men, and people with brains. It's nothing but a dishonest wealth transfer scheme, to retards like yourself. Get on a chopper.

We've known this for a literal century. Why else would hundred billion dollar corporations support these things? Out of the 'Goodness of their hearts'? Mass immigration has always been advertised as Union Busters. The more divided you make people, the harder it is for them to create unity and cohesion. Is it still possible? Of course, but it's a hell of a lot harder to get a fresh Chinese immigrant, a 2nd generation Indian, a white middle class woman, and a Somalian immigrant to unite as one collective to bargain against a corporation.

>>18680423
No the entire thread is low iq poltards (you) talking in memes and contradictions then repeatedly getting btfo’d by 1 or 2 anons only to run right back with more ridiculously stupid commentary and twisting of the facts and still losing in the eyes of any objective remotely informed reader. Get fucked and go back

>>18680699
Hajnal line. Google it. Applies to a lot of posts about racism in this thread. Basically NW Europeans aren't racist but everyone else is.

>>18680785

>if the confederacy was such a great model for white ethno-states, why did they import an entirely black slave class to do their work?

Because Anon, while they were certainly correct for wanting racial unity, they were also short sighted. Ironically, the Confederates dependency on slavery ends up proving my point. They expected a bunch of people from a foreign land that didn't belong here, and look how it's fucked us over ever since. Blacks have never integrated into a mostly white and Western Civilization, it was torture for them, and now it's become torture for us. This is just more evidence that and ethno state is necessary.

>>18680754
You're actually making this way worse than it needs to be by me v themming, but you go ahead and continue to retard the development of yourself and those around you while adversely effecting social singularity needed to correct the pandemic of socioeconomic issues we're faced with now and in the future. Enjoy your bootlick,

>>18680832
Anon, read the fourth name, and the last name on your treasured study that I responded to

>>18680840
Then show me a single time I was "btfo" rather than being misunderstood.

>>18680868
Whether necessary or not, you live in the federal civic state nonetheless, that has shown its intention to attack rebellious ethno-states wherever they are found - especially within its own territory. Were ethno-states so primal and inevitable, why is there not a federal ethno-state?

>>18680785
>if the confederacy was such a great model for white ethno-states
Where did I say this? You're literally making all of this up. In reality and not in your crazed marxist delusions, if whites don't stop foolishy flooding their countries with third-worlders, all of europe and america will turn into facsimiles of South Africa, where whites live miserable lives under the boot of a black majority. The country is also falling apart.

>>18680468
>t. White Americans are too racist for a revolution against a common enemy they rather die alone than win together

Agreed

>>18680895
I'm saying the war has been lost since 1865 grandpa, and your side didn't win. You are already in the South African hellscape which you fear to adopt. And nonetheless, you function.

>>18680871
Anon, I think you are missing our point. We agree that we need social singularity. We're just telling you you can't get that with rootless disparate people. I actually want you to succeed, but you need to take the race pill and accept the world for what it is first before that can happen.

>>18680926
Why don't you take a civic ideological position instead? If your race theory is so universal, why are you unable to make blacks and latinos adopt it? Is this the limit of the presupposed superiority? A secret only whites understand?

>>18680871
>Enjoy your bootlick,
Must you commies project about everything all the time. I realize that you have low test and don't mind lies, just like women, but this is just fucking silly. You retards literally want everyone to live under boots all the time. You don't give a shit about freedom. You'd throw your mother into traffic if someone dangled a hundred in front of you. You care far less for abstractions that you lack the brainpower to appreciate.
>can't understand the articles or why there's anything wrong with multiculturalism
Agian, you're too dumb for politics. Do the world a favor and jump from a bridge.

>>18680892
I didn't say they were inevitable, I said they were necessary to enact massive economic change.

>>18680926

>>18680907
It's just human nature, Anon. We are too racist, everyone is. That's why the capitalist uses diversity so handily. Because It works.

>>18680699
Exactly. These people are green and not green at the same time.

>>18678597
That's for an individual person, anon.

>>18680949
Then how did Stalin take the USSR from Lenin's clusterfuck to a nuclear power? There wasn't only one race doing the work - hundreds labored together, taking humanity to space for the first time.

>>18680912
No, we aren't. You clearly have no idea what you're taling about. Things are much worse over there. Black politicians aren't sending the military against white landowners yet. They're not murdereing and torturning thousands of whites yet. There's still power and things aren't collapsing.

>>18677237
>but it's from the guy that predicted everything that's happening now 10 years ago

>>18680946
Are you OK?

>>18678224
That's the fucking point of the thread you mongoloid.

>>18680574
You mean like when you hated the Irish? Or any other random subset of white? That’s what would immediately happen in your dream world and you’d still be bootlicking.

>>18680984
>Black politicians aren't sending the military against white landowners yet. They're not murdereing and torturning thousands of whites yet. There's still power and things aren't collapsing.
American.
Civil.
War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eksV02us5DQ

Since this is just a leftypol spam thread, I'll post my favorite webm.
>>18680993
dilate, faggot

>>18680981
There wasn't one race, in the sense that Slavic Caucasoids have a lot of diversity. But the divide between those people's isn't the same as the divide you see between Latinos whites and blacks.

>>18681011
Slavs and Turks are actually more disparate than Whites, Latinos (Spainiards + Indians), and Blacks (culturally white post-slavery)

>>18681005
Historically speaking, white people hated the Irish for all of 5 seconds. And once they Integrated, no one really gave a shit anymore..

>>18680699
>When will you fuckheads learn that it's the haves vs. the have-nots?

They bought into the easiest possible bait that the Powers That Be can conjure, and it's really telling how low-IQ they are for taking it. It's magical that you can even turn whites against each other just by convincing millions of them that being "Race Realists" (or whatever other term for cartoonish xenophobia they can conjure up) is a desirable attribute, and that non-stop arguing about whether or not they should despise Tyrone and Paco (who don't live in their neighborhood) because of crimes that Jamal and Martinez (who also don't live in their neighborhood) caused. Now they wind up seeming obsessed and aggressive, which turns other whites against them and separates them from one another.

Non-stop rifts and tears like this are why the common interests of the bottom are never met. And no person who is a common /pol/lutant is a millionaire, none of them are ever going to make it, and none of them are aware that their White boss is the reason they will never succeed. Not their black coworker, not the Pajeet in a position they will never even apply for, not the spic in a position you didn't even know existed, their boss, who is as white as snow, and doesn't see race as anything but a numerical chart. But they will now say that they are the "best" among mud-farming serfs because of their lineage, rather than allying with Paco, Tyrone, Chang, and Armood, all of which are struggling just as much as they are, and all of which want the exact same things.

The only part which depresses me is that they are too blind to see it. They'll continue trying to distance themselves from ethnic groups they'll never deal with on a regular basis or threaten race wars which will never happen, all to separate themselves from people in their own class at literally zero benefit, all the while the wealthiest continue to benefit from all of this on both sides of the spectrum.

>>18680926

I just think that's backwards as there's no indication that the ruling class would ever give up power even in an ethnostate we would still have to win another revolution and they still wouldn't give up their grip on power without a fight just because we're all white. Seems you'd be better off overthrowing the wealthy class first creating a society without a state or class hierarchy and then afterwards breaking off into our own homogeneous tribes if we decide we simply cannot live alongside one another. But that probably wouldn't happen because it's capitalist propaganda and brainwashing that is necessary to keep the peasantry divided that is responsible for most of the race conflict

>>18681025
Yeah, pretty sure they still hate eachother, too. The Soviets never fixed that racial problem, did they?

>>18681043
"White" itself encapsulates an racial overton window that opened up for Irish and Italians.

European countries don't really have a 'white' designation, because they have nationalities instead of mutt skin blends. The new immigration and civic national process is alien to them, which is why many are rejecting the US-imitant process for undermining their historical nations.

>>18681084
Newp, nonetheless, Tartars went to space along with them.

The irony of it all is I'm actually from /pol/ - at least, as much as /sg/ counts as pol

And to there I return

>>18681100
I bet they still lived along racialized borders, though.

We combine a living wage with the survival of our race. It's just that easy. If kikes object they can get fucked.

>>18681056

>>18680885
This is the thanks you get for acting like the leftypol sperg isn't a complete retard. You tried to be the most reasonable person possible and it still didn't help. The guy has a mental illness. Sometimes it's better to just call them a tranny and leave it at that.

>>18680967

I do think it's human nature to be tribal and want to stick to our kind for safety and survival that was likely a product of evolution but the degree of vitriol that we have for other races isn't human nature that's a product of our environment as european capitalists invented the concept of race and race science to further their goal of global economic domination

>>18681145
>needing to be thanked
> You tried to be the most reasonable person possible and it still didn't help
It is merely 4chan, speaking that requires constant thanks might as well not be speaking at all

>acting like the leftypol sperg isn't a complete retard..
>The guy has a mental illness.
>it's better to just call them a tranny and leave
these are worthless filler

>>18681145
I guess I want to prove people on alternate ends of the ideological spectrum to be capable of communicating properly about the issues about which they disagree.
His conviction in his own beliefs is equal to my own in mine, and I'm sure he can justify them for hours on end.
The fact that I can never dig deep enough to actually converse with some such people without falling on entirely deaf ears, as if I were speaking an entirely foreign language, just makes me lose faith in the the utility of holding to any beliefs in the first place. I guess I want to see how obtuse I'm bound to come across to those on the other side.

>>18681168
Racial realism is actually the domain of national socialism, which is not capitalist in character, but rather, opposes it

>>18681246
I think you do better than you think, I found you easy to understand

>>18681286
It's regardless impossible for you to see the extent of what you cannot see.

>>18680731
They successfully integrated because blacks were around to blame idiot. In an ethnostate they wouldn’t have.

>>18681315
Far rights and lefts actually have a lot they agree on regarding the exploitative center

>>18679681
>If capitalism is responsible for dildoworld, then explain how the 19th century US was hypercapitalist without being a rainbow-colored shithole.
Because the rate of profit was far higher in the 19th century than now, so the Capital didn't need to. By the way, mass immigration in the 19th century came from the country to the cities. Tons on unemployed peasants coming into the city factories, selling their workforce like little bitches. Even then, in the 19th, in England, the Capitalist class threatened the working class by telling them they would appeal to foreign workers if they don't stop their class struggle. In the US, in the 19th, mass immigration was already something real, with tons of chineese employed by capitalists instead of the anglos, because chineese work hard, shut their mouth and demand low wages. Reminder of the famous Marx quote, from Das Kapital Vol.1: "the aim of Capitalism is to replace the men with women, the women with children, and Yankee with 3 chineese. " This quote is still totally valid today, even regarding the children, if you consider child labor in Asian countries, who make your t-shirt and sneakers.

>>18677105
>So racism keeps the workers down.
Retard alert.

>>18677186
This. The Left LARP as rebels and the counterculture when their beliefs are not only supported the mainstream, but created and supported by all elites including The Media, Hollywood, Corporations, you name it.

>>18677414
Unions in USA are a scam, they ironically serve the very corporations they're supposed to protect us from.

>>18677469
Unions in your country aren't the same as USA. In USA they're secretly an arm of the very corporation they're supposed to protect you from.