/biz/ - Business & Finance

niggers.

>No porn in the OP
Shit thread. Here https://exhentai.org/g/1441466/159e9e5dbd/..

>>18988029
>https://nhentai.net/g/63367/
ok tags. gotta get back to handholding or childhood friend

>>18987984
Always had purple rings on her shoulders to match her purple shoes.

>>18988074
I didn't see that it got moved. It's usually in the Educational Sites section, my mistake. I prefer specific picks by the way.

You can't beat the market. Why do you still try?

Any NZ bros in these threads? With NZ probably going into level 2 sometime next week and aussie partially opening back up what are your thoughts on where to go.

How is this plan?

I looked at the JETS etf and took out the top 4 stocks plus SAVE (spirit) because I figure the smaller companies have a much higher likelihood of going bankrupt during this mess I don't want them bringing me down. I don't see much of an upside of having those stocks right now.

AAL = 12.02%
LUV = 11.67%
DAL = 9.69%
UAL = 9.59%
SAVE = 3.83%

ROTH IRA contribution = $6,000

AAL + LUV + DAL + UAL + SAVE = 46.8%

100/46.8 = 2.1367

AAL * 2.1367 / 100 * 6000 = 1538.42
LUV * 2.1367 / 100 * 6000 = 1496.12
DAL * 2.1367 / 100 * 6000 = 1242.28
UAL * 2.1367 / 100 * 6000 = 1229.46
SAVE * 2.1367 / 100 * 6000 = 491.01

So I am going to buy those ^ in a Roth IRA. Is that retarded?

Fidelity Contrafund is comfy.

>the market is manipulated
>therefore I am betting against it even though I will lose because of the premise above

>>18988112
nigga i doubled market gains on friday. based ALB and LTHM.

>>18988112
Any retard can beat the market. Literally going all in on QQQ will already beat the market.

>>18988088
I know... I just wanted to complain because tattoos and also she’s just too perfect. Those thighs and she even hits the wall well.

>>18987634
>Only reason it crashed in the first place was because boomers are removing all their money and burning it.
That's definitely bait. The debt bubble that had been building up this past decade due to the low rate environment (and recently more lax credit restrictions) had begun to unravel. Those that had been involved in levered trades were liquidated, which spiraled fairly quickly afterward. This began part of the debt issues that were a reason that the Fed had to step in, not forgetting they key contributing factor: corporate debt. A collapse of said market would have had spectacular knock-on effects. That is on top of and compounded with similar events transpiring in equities, a key example being Ronin Capital's liquidation, which saw a similar deleveraging spiral. All of these simultaneous events were huge hits to market sentiment when we were already dealing with the uncertainty of CV, and resulted in a negative feedback loop until we saw a combination of stimulus and short covering that began to propel us back up again.

Funnily enough, last November WaPo covered that exact possibility occurring in one of its articles detailing the corporate debt issue.
http://archive.is/ernJW

>>18988152
> because I figure the smaller companies have a much higher likelihood of going bankrupt

I don't get this, just looking historically, DAL, AAL, and UAL have already gone bankrupt once and have terrible balance sheets loaded with debt. LUV, ALK, and JBLU have a debt level that is pretty much equal to their assets.

If anything the larger airlines go bankrupt. I would take out AAL at the very least as they only have 8M in assets, but nearly 60M in liabilities. AAL is most likely to go bankrupt to me.

>>18988153
I guess... but it’s got 50% of its funds in big tech + visa, United health, and Berkshire

I mean those are some of my favorite damn companies but still. And I feel like big pharma is due for some pumpage.

>>18988152
consider not investing in the airlines with international exposure as it brings more risk. LUV, SAVE & JBLU are solid.

Monday moonday, sorry bears

Since Texas has made it clear that massage parlors will be closed indefinitely, what other shady business models exist where I can go get my meat drained? Need help, bros

>>18988152
How about no.

>>18988220
ALK is solid as well as someone already mentioned

>>18988234
OP's house

>>18988234
Kneepads store

Investors in airlines, oil, memestocks, and silver get what they fucking deserve.

NO money, NO cunny, and maximum opportunity cost.

>>18988266
Then what are you in hot shot?

>>18988279
Not him but SSO is a good bag

>>18988234
Give Baggie a call

>>18988152
The bond situation for UAL is bad. They just rejected a deal on Friday because bond investors wanted rates that were deemed too high. The planes are old and they are significantly and permanently shrinking staff in October. UAL might survive but I have a suspicion that they will issue more shares at some point.

>>18988279
Wouldn’t you like to know. Probably yo mama.

The next leg down begins Monday

>BTC dumping indicating investment firms are liquidating
>GEX index did a sharp downturn on Friday despite the market going up 2%, which indicates almost immediate sell off the following days
>job reports informed everyone manipulating the market that 2020 is a downward year and is expected to get even worse in Q2 and their attempts to coast the market while assuming good news would bring back investors and rebound us failed

See you in hell. Monday will be red.

How come none of you niggers ever come on here and say "I've got the coronavirus"?
This shit is a hoax that's why. It's not real. Just a made up thing to steal our rights while everyone nods along. Fuck you all

Looking for decent dividend stocks for companies between $10-60. Planning to sell weekly covered call options. Thinking like KO or something

>>18988314
I bet his piggu azn gf has worked in a rub n tug before

>>18988219
I used to have my money in the biotech one FBIOX but it was too volatile for me. I could have put my retirement in that earlier this year instead and made a lot of money. I don't know where it's going from here though.

>>18988301
How long? Indexes are probably fucked long term.

>>18988327
Because it only kills boomers. People under 30 can get it but has literally no effect. I mean I fucking hope I got it and I'm a super spreader, would be based.

>>18988342
Well yes, how do you think he paid for that new truck?

>>18988334
Boring...Stable is what I like. 4.19% dividend at the close of today. Many times I will do covered calls way out of the money. If it gets called away, I'll wait 31 days then buy some more...
ADM’s (NYSE: ADM) Board of Directors has declared a cash dividend of 36.0 cents per share on the company’s common stock. The dividend is payable on June 10, 2020, to shareholders of record on May 20, 2020.
This is ADM’s 354th consecutive quarterly payment, a record of 88 years of uninterrupted dividends. As of March 31, 2020, there were 555,472,189 shares of ADM common stock outstanding.

>>18988323
Very rational and good points. Now here why monday and every other day this week will be green: BRRRRRR

>>18988149
Watch out for the new budget and wage subsidy ending soon

I got fucked today, biz... and not in a good way...

>>18988334
Cool kids do KO anon

>>18988334
Good choices might include AIG, WFC, T, PFE, VZ, BAC. That's all I got off the top of my head. The pain isn't even close to over for some of these. Divvies are likely to be cut up bad.

>>18988334
NVS and DUK? They are just slightly out of your range

>>18988405
jesus fuck I forgot about Bright Eyes and I was COMPLETELY FUCKING COMFORTABLE NOT REMEMBERING

>>18986622
>>gold
>>bonds
>>cash
>Theres options here other than stocks, which are riskier than ever. For uneducated retail fags with 401(k)s, there may be nothing else, but bullshit on that for bigger players. And bullshit that there willing to... Never mind they're totally dumb enough to take that kind of risk.
what kind of risk?

Also, when you say bonds you should probably expand that to corporate debt, sovereign debt, and US Treasuries..

And you forgot other currencies besides USD.

>>18988380
I know its boring but this is for low risk IRA. With covered calls on a dividend stocks, you can easily get 10-12% per year on income alone, regardless of the performance of the underlying stock.

How low does your IQ have to be to think it's logical to put tens of thousands of dollars into cryptocurrency instead of stocks because Anonymous told you there's going to be a happening next week?

i think ill get out of my position bros. i feel dump coming

>>18988440
How do you measure the calls to write? As in how do you decide on the strike and expiration? Did you ever have a call executed?

t. optionlet

>>18988464
It could just be some gas anon.

>>18988381
The plunge protection team were manipulating futures as an investment on good news being inevitable. That failed.

Now we have learned Q2 will be the bottom (MAYBE). There is no point to BRRRR because the v shaped recovery propaganda is over.

>>18988467
You usually do them weekly and just go out to a strike you feel is just slightly out of reach.
Depends on the stock and week really.

If you get assigned so be it. Just means you make money

>>18988327
im pretty sure i already had it. i was in Seattle in February. i got a weird fever and was sickish, even though I'd had my flu shot and almost never get sick. then it just passed in a few days.

>>18988488
PPT is backed by the Fed and US gouvernment though. And they can get some vehicles to buy stocks directly if they have to. Maybe already did.
If they ever stop we enter free fall. But it wont happen, Im fairly certain.
-10% in some weeks, sure. -15% dumps/day? Nah

>>18988544
The PPT collude with banks but if the banks see that the investment of bag holding the stock market under the assumption we v-recover is false, they will dump and stop colluding.

>>18988519
>If you get assigned so be it. Just means you make money
Yeah, covered calls have that very comfy feeling where getting executed means making some bank. Got any broker recomendation for writing calls? Mine doesn't allow them and I don't trust robinhood.

>>18988543
I uhh... worked at an airport in Africa and talked to 1100 people about documents and stuff. Im fairly certain I got it too. Had some dry coughing and stayed home for two weeks when I got to Yurop

Wasnt too bad

>>18988488
>Good news being inevitable.
Well, I hope they weren't planning on good economic news, because anyone with sufficient prescience knew that it was going to be bleak for the remainder of the year, with the potential to extend much longer. A V-shaped economic recovery was always overly optimistic. The best news that we could get now would be positive results for CV treatments to help smooth the recovery and speed it along.

>>18988572
TDA is pretty nice just for Thinkorswim

>>18988575
The job report literally implied we will bottom in Q2, meaning we will lose more GDP than we already have and more jobs.

The banks will realize that they are beholding a relatively top point of the market.

>>18988587
Seconding TDA for ToS.

>>18988467
Usually just +2-5% on the weekly.
So if its $50, Id get like a 52, which you'd probably get about $20-50 per contract. Doesn't matter if its executed because your selling above the current price. Sure, technically if it goes above the strike + premium you would have made more by holding it, but you guarantee 2% + premium. Just buy back next week or the next time it dips. And it doesn't matter if it goes down (as long as you choose a solid company) because you get to collect premium plus dividends.

At $20-$50 per contract might not seem like much, but you when you do the math its surprising. $20/week for 50 weeks is $1000/year. And if you bought in at $6000, thats 16% a year (0.33% per week) just from options (not including dividends). Not only that, the dividends and options premiums are essentially constant, so it doesn't even matter what the price of the stock is.

>>18988561
The US gouvernment has ways to convince its banks to follow suit, I presume. Threaten the managers, bribe them, they will do whatever it takes.
>>18988572
Tastyworks
1,20$ for opening, 0,2$ for closing.
They have great tools as well and do some YT series for people new to the topic.
Get a Margin account. Nothing required except 2k$ liquidity in the account or so I think.

Also their customer service is great. I ask and get a friendly reply in 10 minutes.

Or IBRK. Also an alternative.
Both useable in Europe btw.

>>18988575
>>18988596
>The banks will realize that they are beholding a relatively top point of the market.
uhhhh what?

You know the market bottoms ~12 months before the economy does? If the bottom is Q2, any seller is straight retarded.

Unless you think Q2 is more than a year away.

>>18988575
>The best news that we could get now would be positive results for CV treatments to help smooth the recovery and speed it along.
I mean sure that will be good when it does happen because some of our drugs will help people survive the virus, and it might be as simple as anticoagulants or anti inflammatory drugs.

But the best news would probably be just minimal bankruptcies and everyone back to work and now we have enough tests (eventually). Just like no complete collapses of the medical system, no race riots and molotovs, no one in congress or the white house dying... that's pretty huge.

>>18988587
>>18988606
>>18988597
>>18988624
Thanks guys

Also who's getting >>18988888

Hey can someone show me what it looks like when you use TDA to find corporate debt on the secondary market?

It has to be better than Schwab, right?

Bought a shitload of JCP .50 calls Friday. If they somehow get out of bankruptcy I’m gonna be a millionaire guys, wish me luck

>>18988747
Unfortunately, TDA doesn't show results of any search on weekends so not much further than I can go than this for now
I do remember that its a little buggy. Doesn't support going back, for example.

>>18979662
YOU FUCKING RETARD. INDEX BULL 3x ETFs HAVE NEVER SPLIT A SINGLE TIME. NONE OF THEM HAVE. KILL YOURSELF

>>18988829
Your trying too hard

Quints GET
Fuck jannies and bulls

>>18988861
Okay shlomo
>Don't use leverage goys. Don't want you to get rich like schlomo here

>>18988713
It's not gonna be me is it? Fuck jannies.

>>18988173
Complacency: the post

same fagging is disgusting

fd puts with heavy imo calls
yes or no?

>>18988596
Pretty much every analyst estimated that the extent of the damage was going to be heaviest in Q2. Companies are completely cutting guidance for the remainder of the year, though, which should indicate that there are too many unknowns to try and guess how far out that bottom will extend. The IMF put forward a case for a quick rebound (by the end of 2021 we see recovery), but only in the most optimistic of cases, whereas realistically it will probably be somewhere in between. The CBO expects unemployment to remain above 10% throughout 2021, and they aren't alone. Banks and institutionals are absolutely aware of this, and have been the entire time.

>>18988688
This is an entirely different recessionary environment. It's self inflicted, meaning unemployment comes first, contrary to what you might see at the end of a normal cycle. In the past it could be thought of as a lagging indicator, but now it's got a good chance of being a leading indicator. That's going to have a lot of economic consequence going forward, which will put pressure on the market. Mind you, we were already at the end of the cycle, as shown by several indicators over the past few years (slowing growth, for example). The issues that we have worth corporate debt haven't been resolved, either. In fact, they've only been compounded. This isn't just about CV, and never was. The economy had cracks, CV was just the excuse. And the kicker is that the additional debt we're piling on is less effective in generating economic productivity the more we add, similar to diminishing returns. What we're in right now has the potentially to be a lot more drawn out. CV only exacerbates that.

Also, I think the Mad Maxer's expecting death and mayhem are just memeing their doom and gloom fetish. Funny to read, though.

>>18988896
>t. Buys SPY and thinks he is Warren Bufett

>>18988829
Bruh
https://www.splithistory.com/tqqq/
TQQQ Split History Table
Date Ratio
02/25/2011 2 for 1
05/11/2012 2 for 1
01/24/2014 2 for 1
01/12/2017 2 for 1
05/24/2018 3 for 1

>>18988959
Nigger, the other nigger I was replying to was talking about REVERSE split. A split because the share price is getting too high is what you want you dumb fucking mong.

i got conflicting answers last time i asked this.. suppose i buy a stock on wednesday and then sell it on thursday and buy it again, is that considered a day trade?

>>18988266
The time will come for airlines. When it does I'm going all in.

>>18989090
If you're asking due to limitations look up how your broker defines day trade. If it's for tax reasons, see how the IRS defines. I doubt there's a single well accepted definition.

>>18989090
>https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answersdaytradehtm.html
>FINRA rules define a “day trade” as the purchasing and selling or the selling and purchasing of the same security on the same day in a margin account. This definition encompasses any security, including options. Selling short and purchasing to cover a position in the same security on the same day is also considered a day trade.
Depends on how much of a hardass your brokerage wants to be though

>>18989090
You could just call your broker and ask.

>>18988323
In theory you are right. The next leg down is on its way...will it be monday? In a week or in a month? Nobody knows and a lot of bobos got burned timing it.

Infinite QE keeps propping up the stock market and there is no end in sight...it is already so far decoupled from reality.

>>18988381
Fuck i should have just used the Brrr meme myself

>>18989090
it's not considered in a daytrade in fidelity and robinhood which are the two i currently use.

it's only considered a daytrade if you buy a stock of ticker XYZ, and then sell either all or part of that position in XYZ within the same day, including pre and afterhours. some stricter brokers like optionxpress if i recall would make your funds unavailable until they have "settled". then you could trade again after. but optionxpress is now part of schwab.

if i recall, tda / thinkorswim were also somewhat strict about available buying power.

>>18989090
In order for it to be a day trade under the PDT rule, you have to buy it first then sell it. If you have a stock you bought yesterday and you sell it today then buy it back later today it is NOT a day trade under the PDT rule (assuming that's what you're asking about). Anybody who tells you different is a retarded mong.

>>18989140
bobo bagholding SQQQ and SPXS here, can confirm. getting btfo each day.

>>18988543
Same here in norcal. only time I've ever got a flu shot so I thought it was just a light flu. But then I got normal flu a week later. This was late january in the far north of the state but there's been a lot of chinese travel recently for of all reasons people stealing endangered succulents out of state parks because people like them as houseplants despite the fact they are coastal and invariably die within a few weeks of not being drenched in saltspray and thick fog 24/7

What’s this pattern called?

>>18989148
Yeah, TDA also has a three day settlement period, which if you day trade with a cash-only account, might end up limiting your fluidity when trading. It's easier just to get a margin account and never actually go beyond your initial equity. The margin balance will get settled once your closed position settles.

BTC dipped hard about an hour ago. Is this a bad sign for Monday? Now I'm a little concerned

>>18989201
Crypturds get dabbed on every other day. Means nothing 99.99% of the time. Just Arthur and the Bogs getting richer

>>18989190
head n' shoulders knees and toes eyes ears mouth and nose

Thoughts on picking up hospitality REITs on the cheap for the long term? Stuff like APLE, etc

>>18989190
Alfred Hitchcock Presents: Your portfolio

It's going to take more than the chink flu to kill the chad bull market.

DOW 25k by monday afternoon.

>>18989190
Pinocchio

India / China border skirmishes and injuries. Bullish?

>>18989286
Neutral, unless the pajeets start dropping nukes. Then very bullish.

I’m all in with USO. Please tell me I’m going to be ok....

>>18989190
Elephant

>Bitcoin has been tracking the US market recently
>Its suddenly plummeted 15%
What does this mean for Monday?

Crypto is in the shitter. Is this a bad sign for Monday’s opening???

>>18978909
>>18979253

holding long term leverage etf is good as long as the underlying does not go up and down all the time, because a surge in the underlying never catches the leveraged loss.
However when there is a ten year bull run or ten year bear rally, it is the best thing.

then you still need to get out in time

>>18989307
You should be making escape plans if things go south. I know WTI crude is up right now but I wouldn’t trust it completely. Learn to diversify.

>>18989343

>>18989338
>>18989343
fucking bots man

>>18989338
More like 13% but I get your meaning

>>18989190
The plague doctor

>>18989356
Almost all the trade volume on memecoin in the last 24 hours is from china

>>18989351
Get rich or die trying. Wish me luck. I’m all in

>>18989357
>huge move in BTC
>people want to talk about it
>BOOOOOOOOOOOTSSSSSSSSS
Calm down bro, have some fun.

>mfw crypto crashing hard
Is Monday gonna be a bloodbath?

>>18989379
36 hours there was a big pump and of course the big dump. By the way. No ones likes China. No one.

>>18989379
I wonder what they know that we don't.

>>18989394
>nofunallowed.gif

>>18989394
>>18989213

>>18989397
nah not necessarily dude it just really a hunt for over leveraged fools. Before it was like 80% of bets were long, now it's even.

Crypto follows markets but markets don't follow crypto.

>>18989384
I wish you only the best fwends.
Except that angry bobo that called me a Jew. Revolting foreskin eaters.

>>18989394
innit a tad weird for there to be multiple poasts about the same question though. where is the actual fun?

simple answer is, btc down = markets down but in this case it might be down for its own reasons. stawks are propped up by central banks, btc is propped up by tether printing.

a huge drop in btc price could be caused by govt intervention, making it restricted, on the gruonds that it supports drug/sex trafficking. could have nuffin to do with stawks. i'm sitting comfy in my SQQQ and SPXS. don't care anymore. market's going to tank big just due to all the shitlib faggotry going on.

>>18989397
Maybe. But I’m buying more Monday morning at 9:30am no matter what. Hell or high water

Can anybody explain to me why people ""invest"" in all these shitcoins? They do not even have the already limited use of BTC, they get replaced by the next fad of coins in a week and the only hope you have is to get out before people stop "buying in".

Its a pyramid scheme. I can actually understand buying BTC, but every other crypto is gambling on the low IQ of other retards

>>18989432
Thanks. It’s not enough to break me. It’s only a few thousand. You can’t make any progress with that small amount unless you go risky.

oil pump is now fading, and you can check any shitty tanker, they're starting to show some green around a local support area.

even though some countries and states are reopening, the damage has been done and shit's still a mess. how to get back to normal, without leaders to lead and get it done.

i am making money and i'm tired, imagine how fucked someone is who has been fired or laid off the past couple months. they might have gotten unemployment who knows. the $1200 will run out soon though. something like this covid shit doesn't just start and then stop, there are shockwaves...real estate, auto market, etc.

>>18989456
Greater Fool Theory applies to all markets, yes.

>>18989456
ETH also has a pretty valid and proven use-case, separate from BTC. But yeah 99.999% shit

>>18989286
Eh it'll be probably be nothing. Nobody wants to fight. Frustrating situation. I wanna go long on some oil and some defense contractors or stuff like that whatever makes most sense for the conflict but it's not going to happen without some kinda brouhaha to feed the war machine.

>>18989456
>Can anybody explain to me why people ""invest"" in all these shitcoins?
Because they're young and poor so they trade shit with the most volatility in hopes of big gains. When they get some real money, at least 6 figures they start thinking about potential for exit scams and shit so they transfer the money to the traditional regulated markets where the volatility is usually less but the potential for ending up with absolutely zero is also much less. This is of course changing with commission free option trading so it'll be interesting seeing the great zoomer exodus from crypturd shit to real economy shit

>>18989456
BTC is basically gold standard of cyrpto, biggest market, most liquidity.
ETH has actual practical uses and its fundamentally different from BTC with smart contracts and infinite supply.
The only other things that MIGHT have really worth is:
Litecoin (penny version of BTC)
Stellar (3rd world coin)
Monero (secret coins)
Everything else is basically shit though.

>>18989307
I'm nervous about oil and I don't have any oil or oil-related shit, but that was a bad day when oil went negative. Took gains from MRO and MPC, but I sold the latter waaaaay too early.

>>18989533
You can place even crazier bets on the traditional market. Not hard to lose a bet going short or long and ending up broke and in debt in a single afternoon

>>18989226
She's cute, however
>3dpd

>>18989533
wouldn't it be better to keep the zoomers out of the real market so they don't mess it up

>>18989569
>wouldn't it be better to keep the zoomers out of the real market so they don't mess it up
Fuck no. The market LOVES dumb money.

>>18989472
People are heading back to work because they have no other options. Also, boomers are going to hit the road because they’ve gone insane from sitting inside for 10 weeks.

Oil will pump to $45 in the next 30 days.

>>18989594
What about natural gas? Also any oil stocks that are worth it?

>>18989553
>You can place even crazier bets on the traditional market. Not hard to lose a bet going short or long and ending up broke and in debt in a single afternoon
My personal experience is this, for reasons of poorfaggery I signed up with Robinhood in July of 2017 at the behest of the then /rhg/ thread here on biz. It was cool but the market closed, there wasn't anything to do on the weekend, and everything I saw moved slowly. Also it was intimidating because everything I'd ever read said only a fool tries to trade so you should only invest in mutual funds and shit for your 7% a year. Shortly after, I came back to /biz/ and was like, what the fuck, I can't trade on the weekend. Some anon suggested crypto and off I went. Insane volatility, 24/7 trading, multiple exchanges, bullrun was causing insane excitement and the "community" if that's what you call this here on the Mongolian basket weaving forum was fun. The thing was I actually succeeded and got out with several hundred thousand dollars which is currently distributed between my stock and futures accounts. When Cryptopia dabbed on me to the tune of several bitcoins that was the final straw. I suspect other people have similar stories or will before it's over.

>>18989604
I can only tell you what I have bought, USO. I don’t give financial advice. I just give my opinions.

>>18989632
Personally in PE and ENBL still.
PE under 9 and ENBL under 4 in.

>>18989632
What happens though if storage does hit max capacity and consumption rate doesn't rise fast enough? Wouldn't USO tumble?

>>18989542
>infinite supply.
I am a brainlet so someone explain to me how this is not a problem

Holy shit the TLT is about to explode one way or another, at the end of its tight consolidation. Short term trend says down but long term trend says Long. Which is it do you guys think?

>>18989674
Only can think of computational cost per unit.

>>18989692
Look at the environment we're in.

>estimated q2 gdp -27%
WHY THE FUCK ARE THESE STOCKS GOING UP YOU FUCKING LUNATICS

>>18989674
Theres infinite supply of dollars, doesnt seem to matter. Have some amount of inflation is better than infinite deflation like BTC will have.

>>18989692
unless there is negative rates it can only go sideways from here

>>18989732
priced in

>>18989667
If we completely run out of places to store oil? USO will drop maybe 80% or so. I’m not worried about that. It will just take awhile for me to get my money back. Obviously I believe it’s going up, or I would be holding it. But if it drops off a cliff I’ll be ok. Just might take 12 months to make a decent 2x is my worst case scenario.

I’m predicting 4x in the next 6-8 months. Let’s see if my prediction pans out.

>>18989562
>not enjoying both 2d and 3d
anon..

Also, favorite REITs? :)

>>18989769
>priced in
you are driving me literally insane with this BULL SHIT

>>18989779
>>18989667

It's gonna go negative again in June when futures expire. good luck.

>>18989766
It spiked down to $139 less than 2 months ago I don't know how you can say that with such confidence.

>>18989799
Hmm. You might be right. Looks like I’ll be holding those bags longer than expected if you turn out to be right. Still not selling. I’m betting on brighter days

Do you have any outlook for oil past June?

>>18989456
Because bitcoin is decentralized and technology ruled. It’s meant to stabilize market in the future.

>>18989808
it peaked in March because 0% rates were priced in, thats how the bond market works...

>>18989785
IRM and DLR

>>18989834
>Do you have any outlook for oil past June?
I don't know the whole story but didn't they do a reverse split after the first catastrophe. I think everyone that held USO at the time got fucked. I would really know what you're getting into. It's not just a matter of "it'll go up eventually"

>>18989226
REITs are typically very leveraged.
Look at how much book you have per share as it will be your margin of safety.
Also, look at the state of their cash flows and how long they can resist with their current cash balance.

>>18989834
haha here's the clip I remember pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n5MeYz0TK0

Remember you're not buying oil, but oil futures.

>>18989732
Clown market bro. Anyone who memes about priced in or forward looking are just retards. Companies have been cooking the books for a decade, thats why all those CEOs resigned. Thats how we managed to pull off a legendary bull run. The "good times" are coming to an end.

>>18989860
The die has been cast. I know there is a risk here. And I’ve already accepted that.

So what happens if we are in a bear market for the next 10 years guys. I want off this train

>>18989779
>>18989799
>>18989834
>Oil storage still full
>Still pumping out tons of oil
>Still have massively reduced demand
>Nothing has changed since the last contract
>Tankers are charging multiple times their rates
Its going negative again.

>>18989894
ok, but you're not buying a share of oil that's sitting in a tank you're buying an ETF linked to oil futures contracts that are probably going to go negative again. last time that happened there was an 8 to 1 reverse split in USO.

Basically what I'm saying is it's not a matter of holding it long enough for the underlying to recover. You're going to get fucked bc you're putting your money in a broken finacial instrument. I've heard Pros calling for USO to be delisted bc it's bullshit at this point.

Watch the clip
>>18989877

>>18989926
War would break out in 2-3 years to stop the bear market

>>18989732
>>18989769
>>18989794
It's not really a meme. Everyone has the Q2 GDP predictions/AN ALysis information. The bears have already switched out into other bearish investment instruments like shorting/puts and reverse ETFs, while the bulls feel confident enough in the stocks they're invested in, so they're not switching to anything else. So, by definition the stock market has already priced in all the information available.

>>18989945
The idea that war still benefits the economy is outdated. That was back when the country was industrial. Stores shut down during WW2 just like they did now. There is no way out but to kick out the fucking freeloaders that think this country is just a meal ticket.

>>18989931
also frankly I don't even believe the underlying, oil, will ever be high again.

I think we are approaching an inflection point where the growth in alternative forms of energy surpasses the growth of the energy market. In other words the world may start using less and less oil as an absolute value (not just as a percent) in the next 5 years.


On top of that we are entering a global depression it's likely energy consumption wont be back to pre depression levels for at least 3 years if not more.

>>18989961
No one is suggesting a world war. Another incursion in the middle east will get the war economy in the US up and running.

>>18989847
ty

>>18989865
Thanks anon, good info. Could you recommend a site to screen stuff like book per share? I found atom.finance recently, but I’m still learning how to make sense of all the financial data.

>>18988266
Yes they are scum

>>18989973
And that contradicts what I said how exactly? Wars don't benefit the economy. At all. We don't manufacture anything. It might help oil slightly.

>>18989945
Almost guaranteed that low oil prices will trigger conflict in the middle east soon. There is already rioting in Libya as a result of food price hikes.

First arab spring was largely caused by food price hikes.

>>18989995
During a war we would manufacture. But anyway, I’m not suggesting that we enter some crazy fucking war to dig ourselves out

>>18989973
The war has already begun. China vs USA.

>>18989732
Virus gdp drop not same as recession gdp drop. It's foolish to compare this with 08 and similar systemic breakdowns.

inb4 everything bubble memefographics and several thousand character posts explaining why everything bubble

>>18989995
Wars do benefit the economy, even today. I'm not sure where you're getting your information. Historically, whenever the domestic economy worsened, a war would get things back on track. You can easily look at the US invading Vietnam and the benefits it had for the US economy. The war created millions of jobs and stimulated every sector in the US. War creates a lot of demand from thousands of sectors.

>>18990031
>>18989995

War stimulates demand which can be beneficial if there is a demand problem in your economy. Much more beneficial to stimulate demand through massive infrastructure spending or social programs than through warfare spending.

>>18989983
Think of REIT like carry trading:
They borrow at X% and lend the property at X+something%.
It is free money when things are good and quickly go bad when shtf.

Assess how reliable the tenants are and how much time a REIT can resist given their cash balance and available credit lines: the more time you have, the longer you can hodl and wait for the recovery.

I like this screener: https://finviz.com/

>>18989995
>We don't manufacture anything.
You're ignorant as fuck

>>18990072
Then please list what we manufacture that would greatly boost the economy in a war. Also keep in mind that the government has to tax to pay for war supplies, unless they just print money, in which case why not just do another stimulus? The idea that a war can save you is so infantile and stupid I can't even imagine how anyone can believe it.

>>18990142
I responded to the argument "We don't manufacture anything". Yes, "we" do manufacture somethings. A whole lot of somethings. As far as your other points you can argue that shit with the other anon cuz I don't care. I just need you to understand that claiming the US "don't manufacture anything" is a colossally stupid and ignorant statement when the US is the second largest manufacturer in the world. You've been corrected and now I'm done with it so carry on

>>18990068
Great info again, thanks anon! Look like the REIT I’m looking at has a book value of 14.70 but it’s trading around 9. Will take a look at other metrics like cash flow before buying. Thanks!

Well bros, my test revealed I actually never had corona, and apparently just had the flu back in Feb.
Kind of disappointed, actually.

>>18990290
I KNEW IT! This shit is a hoax

>>18989877
Jesus, why does he look so fucking bad? It's like he can't get his jaw all the way open, is he on stimulants?

>>18990290
M8 literally read the fine print below. Antibody tests aren't even reliable or proven to be accurate. Hell, even the doctors and researchers say the antibody tests are pointless currently.

>>18990290
NO corona toes?

>>18990313
>>18990296
i was so unbelievably sick when i came back from Vegas mid-feb, i was positive i had it..
and yeah, it could be a false negative i guess. who fucking knows?
i can't even get laid by corona-chan

So how does everyone feel about Corona now? 60k dead in the US and it's still going strong. Do you think we'll see a second wave in fall or is this mostly over?

>>18990352
Mostly over by end of summer I mean

>>18990352
We just reached 80k and it's probably going to get "worse" but worse is really just old people dying off. Everyone else is going to get seasonal coronavirus every so often like the flu. It doesn't look like there's any common long term affects from the virus so people will be ok for a few months or years after each infection.

>>18990352
Who knows. Your guess is as good as anyone's, really.

>>18990352
Nothing burger
Death rate due to corona doesn't even impact the seasonal average (so far).
My guess is it will be another seasonal disease like flu but normies will be scared shitless by it and change their lifestyle and behavior

>>18990475
thats because the shutdown is working. next wave we wont shutdown as strictly and itll kill way more people

>>18990475
>Death rate due to corona doesn't even impact the seasonal average (so far).
What do you mean? Seasonal average?

Germanbros, is there a thing as a zero fee broker here? don't want to spend 5+ euros on every order

>>18990475
>normies will be scared shitless by it and change their lifestyle and behavior
That sounds bad for the economy

>>18990558
My dirty undies are bad for the economy, but that doesn't stop people from going outside.

>>18990342
Well I'm glad you're okay, anon

>>18990028
heh i see you reverse image searched my goodnnight image?

>>18990352
>60k dead
>only 1/3 all other deaths reported

It’s as if doctors are labeling covid as cause of all deaths. Nah, that would be conspiracy.

>>18990067
>muh social programs

The better alternative would be stripping those down, along with government regulations that stymie small business in general, so we can move towards true capitalism again instead of the corporatism and modern-day carpetbagging that's carried over through the past 100 years.

>>18990660
Turns out a lot less people die when they don't go out and crash/fight/be retarded. There was still a death spike way higher than normal at the start of this year, but keep people inside reduced the death rate altogether, even more than the small stream of covid deaths.

>>18990690
If they stripped down social programs you wouldn't get your autismbux and your pills.

>>18989877
I really, REALLY wanted to short after that, but I don't think I really know enough.

>>18990311
he's on migraine drugs, and generally doesn't sleep much, I used to see his twitter posts before I'd go to bed that said he's about to start his workout with his trainer. Then he writes a piece for the Real Money site, does the premarket show, films some clips for his Action Alerts Plus thing and another for thestreet.com/streetlightning, usually writes a second blog post, does the post-market show (Mad Money), then I don't know.

I mean say what you will but he works.

>>18990342
are you the TMDX shill who said he got it doing organ nonnsense?

Global Energy or US Energy?

>>18989432
Disappointed in you jack poster
Joining the polschizos that attacked you

>>18990548
What dumb broker do you use? Flatex?
Use IBRK, Tastyworks or maybe even Trade Republic if youre some ETF-only lmao

>>18990651
It has a Unix timestamp filename you ape which means he saved it from another dump of the image set.

>>18990934
What’s your point?

>>18990944
No he clearly didn't find the artist's Twitter if he downloaded the image off 4chan, don't be so full of yourself.

>>18990651
>>18990944
Mate that shit has been posted on 4chan before you were born. Calm down, no one is "stealing" from your source.

>>18990517
Deaths caused by Corona-chan haven't affected the normal death rates (at least in my Frankistan).

>>18990492
People will change their behavior and healthcare systems should be prepared for it.
Also, corona-virus is not that deadly to your average, reasonably healthy people.

>>18990558
It is more like, what works before won't work for a certain amount of time. Like restaurants, theme parks etc

So I'm hearing that the stock market will collapse again when we start to go back to normal and realise the effects of the virus?

I don't understand this at all, are we not realising the shit storm now? I'm happy it's green, I'm not a Bobo but I Wana know when to stick my investments in cash fund, or is it true that stonks only go up?

>>18988171
>>18988173

This will end in tears and in the poorhouse

I'm starting to get triggered by
>Stocks go up cuz brrrrrrr
Bcs it's simply not true

>>18991049
Stocks only go up in the long term. Are you anticipating needing that money you have invested in the next 2 years? If not, just keep it in the market and the market will recover eventually. Otherwise, just go cash gang for a while.

>>18991176
>Goldenstein
>brrr triggered

>>18991178
I bought in around March 13th, when the market had gone to it's near current low. So was lucky there. Won't need in the next two years

>>18991188
I don't mind brrrr, if anything I support it sitting on precious metals stack
But the assumption that brrrrrrr moves stonks is just wrong.

>>18991117
>The only ways to invest is gold, SPY and bonds or Yolo calls on SPCE for next friday
I hate newfags

What is wrong with you absolute losers?

why do you keep posting anime shit and half naked fugly asians? You do realize anyone working in finance would take the piss on you if you did this in real life, right?

Do you genuinely believe succesful people watch porn all day and indulge in this anime shit? You think Bill Ackman does this all day?

maybe thats why most of your trades are dog shit and you remain poor

>>18991244
>Being that mad
Lmao

>>18991244
>Do you genuinely believe succesful people watch porn all day and indulge in this anime shit? You think Bill Ackman does this all day?

Yes

>>18991270
good luck ever getting a gf

Yep recession cancelled.

>>18991244
fuck finance buy SOXL biznatches. Azian bitches rain

>>18991277
I dont want one desu.
Im much happier with my cute 2D waifu

>>18989604
I bought some KOS at .80. Just a lotto ticket I guess. If it went up to $2 I can buy some ITW or something else that would normally be out of my price range. If it goes down again I'll just exit and break even. Fuck it.
For a non-meme you might research NI. Stable company, solid DIV.

>>18991282
600% of 1 booking is still only 6. These fucking numbers mean nothing without context.

>>18991209
>Companies are in danger of failing and struggle with finding good debt
>Stock prices fall as a result
>Fed BRRRRs money to issue new interest free debt to keep business afloat
>Stock prices go up because people are buying companies that are no longer in danger of bankruptcy because of fed giving them low interest loans
Did I miss something? How does BRRR not move prices?

>>18991290
>imagine being such a fine male specimen

Sad!

>>18991294
My local travel agency for boomers is still closed and has a big "PLEASE STILL BOOK WITH US!" written on the outside
Tourism is dead right now

>>18991294
Nah people will go back spending like before everywhere, it's a nothingburger.

>>18991317
I like travelling much more than a gf
But /smg/ is about stocks and anime, not me

>>18991336
Good on ya anon :)

>>18991350

>>18991244
yes actually

How do I make money from a crab.

>>18988153
Why not just replicuthe strategy yourself?

>>18991404
iron condors

As much as I love sitting at home all day and thinking about stocks while I work it's actually a lot more draining than I would have thought. Hopefully the gyms at least open soon so every day can just be work/stocks/gym instead

>>18991404
Condors
Selling P and C
Selling strangles and straddles

Depends on the stock and what you think will happen really

>>18991404
covered straddles

>>18991244
>You think Bill Ackman does this all day?
I really don't care if Ackman has any interests or hobbies, and if he has any views on anime. Who made him the authority on anything ever?

Is Bill Ackman really someone you think you should admire and try to be like?

>>18990950
>>18990975
The heck are you talking about? I'm not upset with him, I like it when others like my taste and riff off of it. If it's just a coincidence then it's a heck of a coincidence, since both images have only been posted twice on biz.

>>18991290
Didn't we JUST talk on friday about not giving up yet?
NEVER
GIVE
UPPU!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs52c6vT1YA

>>18987988
FUCK THE FED
FUCK THE SEC
AND FUCK BITCORMS

>>18991244
Bill Ackman?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCZRk1lL90Q

>>18988152
I don't pretend to understand the ins and outs of finance law, but it is perfectly possible to be both bailed out and file for bankruptcy at the same time.

just woke up bros
thinking about stocks

>>18991290
don't post my wife

>>18991643
we are sure to dump on Monday

BTC is 100% correlated with stocks

>>18991652
100% seems a little high to me
I give you a 60% chance of a dump sometime this week, best I can do
60% is pretty high

i made this on account of all my retarded transactions these past two weeks. feel free to use it as you see fit

>>18991404
Super dividend ETFs
Riding the inflation wave in commodities (beta greater than 1)

>>18991474
>Hopefully the gyms at least open soon so every day can just be work/stocks/gym instead
This primate gets the game

>>18991645
heh
you can have her, I'll take her rival

>>18991643
I have to pull an all nighter tonight until market open time...
How to get back on track in time for Monday openinng?

>>18991744
okay

>wanna invest in CAKE
>being told price is gonna fall hard soon

>>18991778
whoa is she OK

>>18991744
just sleep as much as you can, then when you have to stay awake use amphetamines + caffeine

>>18991322

Good, it belongs in the trash since most people live on borrowed money.

>>18991778
New page is out?

>>18991504
That's a guy isn't it?

>>18991885
It belongs in the trash because it is overpriced shit for boomers who just dont know better

>>18991322
Many Boomers try to use online booking now and some of them will continue to book online even after Corona.

>>18988074
>childhood friend
Patrician taste.

>>18991778
2spooky4me

>>18991833
>when you have to stay awake use amphetamines + caffeine
+++

>>18991885
Found the puritan Scots goldbug living in his momma’s ranch house outside Atlanta

You shoot any joggers last night, bubba? Or just touch the banjo strings a wee bit?

>>18991923
Jannies should insta-block that entire phrase and related phrases

Of course, jannies were all let go when hiromoot didn’t receive the federal covid grant so, Fat chance of a cleanup in aisle 1!

kek some teen found 135k laying next to an atm. someone dropped it. fucking kid just gave it up. what a dumbass. me, i'd just kept it. not told anyone.

>>18991975
You edgy, dual-wielding Drizzt

You roguelike, darkly Nelf

Your negrito soul spawns vile memeish magic in a shade aura, burning all around you

>>18991975
That kid's ngmi

>>18991970
>Jannies should insta-block that entire phrase and related phrases
>Of course, jannies were all let go when hiromoot didn’t receive the federal covid grant so, Fat chance of a cleanup in aisle 1!

You didn't answer my question though

>>18991885
we all live on borrowed time brah

>>18989604
I'm in MRO. Oil and Gas company. I got in at under 5, when all the bad stuff was baked into it. Holding up rather good. Weather's fucked. Here (KY), it's supposed to be uh spring/summer weather, instead it's 39 degrees now outside. Yesterday the high was only 57.

>>18992018
Brosephus, I think you know the truth about Julius Caesar and his “dear comrades in arms”

>>18992025
Ice Age (miniature version) will blast basic crops and spike inflation, leading to dramatically more violent protests and riots

>>18991652
>BTC is 100% correlated with stocks
I thought BTC had a beta of 2?

>>18991994
maybe he already made it and 135k is nothing to him

>>18992025
it's doing the same thing up north where I live
glad I mowed the lawn yesterday

>>18988112
I fuck the market
I make it cum
I fuck the market with my margin calls

>>18992118
>in this post, the subject known as Anon123 demonstrates the commodification of the Investing Experience, a new virtual entertainment syndrome we’ve used to funnel gains to asset managers and provide entertainment to the plebeian mob

>>18992053
>Brosephus, I think you know the truth about Julius Caesar and his “dear comrades in arms”


So the asian chick on that pic is a guy then?

>>18992018
it's not likely, I stole it from some thread called:
>Image thread to discuss why the body of the girl is so erotic wwwwwwwwwww

>>18992118
Ain't no fun if the IRS can't have none

>>18992053
>the truth about Julius Caesar and his “dear comrades in arms”
wat?

“Bill Griffeth, of CNBC, “At some point, investing is an act of faith. If you can’t believe the numbers, annual reports, etc., what numbers can you believe?”
He misses the point. It doesn’t matter whether you can or cannot believe an earnings statement. All of those numbers can be doctored, fixed, cooked, or faked. The traded market price can’t be fixed. It’s the only number you can believe. You can see it every day.

>>18991176
QE is heavily inflating assets and doesn't help the economy anymore. It's a shitty rich boomer tool to save their assets and mostly hurts savers.

Brrr is a shitty meme, but then again somehow true.

in less the 26 hours the markets will open, is your anus prepared?

>>18992416
I am slightly scared that the stock market will make a bitcoin move...

>>18992382
>QE is heavily inflating assets and doesn't help the economy anymore. It's a shitty rich boomer tool to save their assets and mostly hurts savers.
+

“The wisest trend follower I know has said that every five years some famous trader blows up and everyone declares trend following to be dead. Then, five years later, some famous trader blows up and everyone declares trend following to be dead. Then, five years later ... was the problem trend following or the trader?”

going all in spy puts on market open it's make it or blow it

AAL has a lot of debt… Anybody along with them still?

>>18992416
>>18992416
I am slightly scared I didn't buy enough Eli Lilly

How long until it Crashes again?

>>18992513
it will crash after my puts expire worthless

>>18992513
market isnt crashing again, ever.

Should I drop some shares in USO?

NEW >>18992782
NEW >>18992782
NEW >>18992782

>>18991244
This, porn posters are never gonna make it.