/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>19903443
President Donuld will start hanging corona victims for insurrection next.
>see? see? its NOT covid! I told ya! Drink more bestest Burger-maid bleach folks!

>>19903478
What the fuck are you even saying. Take your meds

>The Second Wave

>>19903495
are you fucking thick you cunt?
are you literate, capable of reading?
oh, you're a Trumplet
go drink bleach
fucking twat

ngl, the sooner we get everyone infected and immunized the sooner we can stop pussyfooting this lame flu. sorry boomers, you might have to quarantine for the rest of your life.

>>19903478
Yeah, it's totally him, not dumbass zoomers protesting against the police for 9 unarmed black deaths in a country of 350 million.

>>19903540
>Twat
why does this British English speaking person who doesn't know how capitalisation works care about Trump? Why does he type in broken sentences like a chink?

>BTC correlation
Are we all fucked?

maybe if we didnt have a herd of infected monkeys marching through the streets pissings and shitting everywhere when they arent setting fires and tipping statues

>>19903569
its obviously not just Trump, infection rate shoots back up everywhere they stop gaf, or never gave one in the first place, like meat factories full of romanians. A spike from the demos will arrive, take a few weeks. As will the same one in Britain, in a few weeks, now Boris has declared Covid 'defeated'. Trumps problem, he needs someone to blame. And announcing you are stopping testing to slow the rise isn't especially clever
>I wos only pretending to be retarded
>>19903582
trumplet and grammar nazi? Your parents must be so proud

>>19903569
Look I found another low IQ faggot who fell for the kike race war meme

>>19903526
Idiot

>>19903443
Gee, wonder why this might've happened.

Black people having a nationwide tantrum caused this

>>19903636
>Trumps problem, he needs someone to blame.
Yeah, totally Trump's fault.

>>19903636
Damn Trump and his scapegoating ways.

>>19903636
>European stocks sink amid surge in infections

Yeah, corona truly is exploding again.
Everyone panic, quick.

>>19903736
>corona truly is exploding again.
localized outbreaks
which if you don't contain them, turn into guess what?

>>19903777
>which if you don't contain them, turn into guess what?
Another nothingburger that kills 99% elderly people with severe underlying conditions who only had a few months to live anyway?

>>19903443
black Lives (don't) Matter.

>>19903443
My hot take: Americans are too narcissistic to exert any effort preventing something that doesn't directly impact their own person

I think it's the same reason you have so many smooth-brained subcultures over there; everyone is so full of themselves that whatever worldview they subscribe to is now truth even if it contradicts science or common sense - it's just too alluring to pretend you are super woke and everyone else is sheep, and it feeds right back into how they view themselves to be better than other people

>>19903478
Good.

>>19903443
Kek, thanks joggers riot for that.

>>19903817
europe is the same way you fucking faggot. stop always calling out americans for being fat, hypersexual, dumb, or otherwise. europe is the exact same fucking way. the only difference is: in europe, it's the government enforcing corporate will. it's just as oligarchic. aside of them giving away some freedom like in this corona case. but then they didn't have fucking BLM protestors fuck everything up because the media suddenly decided that protesting is cool despite it having been otherwise due to covid one week earlier.

>>19903817
When it starts hitting middle America, trumps base and the karens shit will implode.

>>19903847
uh-huh

>>19903786
copium

>>19903914
uh-huh

>>19903845
>europe is the exact same fucking way. the only difference is: in europe, it's the government enforcing corporate will.
why can you only think in binary? it's not about whether or not corporations have power in the EU or US, it's about how much, and to what detriment - not to mention the fact that "oligarchies" are only tangentially related to what I am talking about

practically all EU nations have welfare systems in place that ensure the wellbeing of society as a whole; the key cultural difference here is that in the US it's become every man for himself - it's never going to be sustainable to have 20% of your population living in permanent destitute

how are the glaring cultural differences not obvious to you?

>>19903478
>it's totally not us antifa and blm subhumans that have caused this
kys Wish you'd all die.

>>19903636
>not just trump
It has nothing to do with trump, you idiot.

>>19903958
If you want "free" healthcare and education you can serve in the military

>>19904013
what's your point?

>>19903582
Haha, I noticed that all the hyper aggressive posters in this thread type like that, hmmm... Conspiratorial FUD, perhaps.

>>19903958
>practically all EU nations have welfare systems in place that ensure the wellbeing of society as a whole
lol All that your "welfare programs" amount to is resdrituting white men's money to roasties and browns. They're outright terrible for white men, since we pay for all of it. t. swede

>>19903979
Ya he’s an idiot

>>19904114
I know having to think further than "they took my money" is hard for an idiot to understand

You indirectly benefit from a well-functioning society - e.g. your workforce is more educated, your crime is lower, safety nets if things should go bad for you (often due to circumstances outside your own hands). It also makes society sustainable; money tends to breed more money disproportionately to how much effort you put in, so a certain level of redistribution is not "literally stealing and giving to browns", it's fair.

>>19904070
Forgot to mention the subject of the thread itself: "rip stonks" Stonks=stock markets so... Is the implication that the entirety of the world stock exchange will crumble to nothing by tomorrow? ^•^ >>19903443
Sage

>>19904114
and to clarify, I am strictly against loose immigration policies, so I agree that "browns" are a problem (especially in sweden), but loosening your welfare system will just exacerbate the consequences of your awful immigration policy

t. dane

>>19904188
>I know having to think further than "they took my money" is hard for an idiot to understand
You're not my kin, roastie leftoid. I don't give a shit about you or your joggers. You cunts are, effectively, garnishing half of my paychecks, and I get almost nothing back.
>functioning society
Most of the west is circling the drain, you bloody retard.

>>19904188
>It also makes society sustainable
No, your gibs aren't essential, and they've made western Europe a lot poorer than it would have been with a more free economic system.
>it's fair
It's plainly theft, you little marxist dipshit.

>>19904249

>>19903947
0-9 at 0% is wrong
also, it depends on the viral load you retarded homoid... without the lockdowns infected people would have continued to receive viral loads while not having any sysmptoms yet which is deadly for everyone.

>>19904278
>leftypol
Of course. I wish you'd realize that you're too dumb for politics.

>>19904284
>0-9 at 0% is wrong
Probably margin of error.

>also, it depends on the viral load you retarded homoid... without the lockdowns infected people would have continued to receive viral loads while not having any sysmptoms yet which is deadly for everyone.
cope

>>19904249
maybe stop sperging out

>>19904294
Back to your containment board, I'm not even left, you just sound like a half-wit.

>>19904274
I just told you why it isn't theft, you don't address it, and then just restate that it's theft

you're just too dumb to have this conversation

Honestly we all saw it coming.
I'm not trying to be a dick but i remember when i first heard about this so called "lockdown" in the US, none of my friends or family would believe it.
It is just not compatible with the US culture or federal system ( at last that how we felt about it ).

I live in a very centralized country, which has plenty of defaults sure but at least the management of coronavirus was pretty streamlined and today its almost gone and life just feel normal ( nothing is closed, people go to work ).

I'm not sure how the US is gonna deal with that, after a bunch of half assed pseudo lockdown you can't go to that route again. Either find a cure or learn to live with it i guess ( which korea did, but is probably not applicable ).

Either way keep your old ones safe.

How did trump supporters get so triggered? We're talking about the stock market and coronavirus cases

>>19903582
America is a top global superpower not a small local authority dumbass.

>>19904296
Mad cuz can't deny it?

>>19904627
Old people and young people had the same viral load.
And the average age of covid deaths is well into the 70s.

Cope.

>>19904620
It's more the Trump haters trying to blame this on him. See the very first post itt.

>>19903683
exactly this.

the blacks fucked it up again

>>19903682
this can't be real

>>19904330
>>19904323
>>19904300
Fuck off, leftypol faggots.
>not even left
lol

>>19904642
No, you don't have the same viral load you dumb idiot. Unironically, every single patient has a different viral load... Fucking retarded

>>19904330
I was addressing your claim of "fairness." Anyway, tell me again why you taking my money with threats of violence doesn't fit the definition of theft, retard.

>>19904721
lmao

You said more old people were killed because of "viral load".
The viral load was the same in general for everyone.

>>19903478
>>19903443
>trump's fault kung flu is spreading like wildfire
>trump's fault that niggers are protesting pink floyd dying because of the side effects of heavy fentanyl use
big kek, this crash will not be the fault of trump

>>19904730
No, what I said is that without lockdowns everyone would've been exposed to higher amount of viral loads. Younger people need higher viral loads than people with weak immune systems.

>>19904756
This is some next-level headcanon.

>>19903947
>data from march

>>19904763
Well, you first of all would need to understand what a viral load is...

>>19903478
>>19903540
>>19903648
>>19903777
>>19903847
>>19904188
>>19904330
"Fuck Drumpft!"

>>19903814

#BlackLivesMatterToWhitePeople

>>19903683
Well maybe the cops shouldnt be killing nigs without reason

>>19903569
Pretty much this. Remember the letter signed by thousand(s?) of health care workers and the media saying that peaceful protests were not a vector for the contagion?
But of course, everything must be blamed on the tiny fraction of government we can pretend to elect.

>>19904775
You're grasping at absolute straws.

>“It is unlikely that higher doses that would be acquired by being exposed to multiple infected sources would make much difference to the course of disease or the outcome.
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-questions-about-covid-19-and-viral-load/

>>19904770
The age proportion stayed the same over time.
Stop trying so hard.

>>19904814
with in his defence the jogger was on a hell of a drug

>>19904814
>killing nigs without reason
They haven't.

>>19904921
>patients with COVID-19 with more severe disease requiring intensive care unit admission had high viral RNA loads at 10 days and beyond, after symptom onset
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30237-1.pdf

>>19903683
Then why is it rising in bumblefuck nowhere states and states that barely protested like Arizona?

>still thinking corona crashed the stock market

Why can't people remember what actually happened? Shit was going down hill in late 2019 with the fed having to prop up short term credit markets. Experts were calling a bubble in jan. The liquidity crisis caused the stock market crash was in late feb / early march. Shutdowns were only on the table late march AFTER the crash and were expected to last like two weeks.

Corona only ever caused the stock market to go up by giving politicians cover to support more gibs. So why is this false narrative, that corona is the cause of this recession, so prevalent? The timeline doesn't even support that. Years of bad fiscal and monetary policy and weak economy caused the crash. We are entering a depression and it has nothing to do with corona. Cases don't matter. Second wave doesn't matter.

>>19904999
Your point?

>>19905061
>Experts were calling a bubble in jan.
Whoa, experts were calling THAT??

>>19904294
You're so amazing. white, uneducated, poor and a NEET. You are the pinnacle of the white race.

All due to 6500 Trump rally attendees this weekend

>>19905077
Headlines like these should read "Some experts"
There will always be a handful of experts that agree with the media's ulterior motives, regardless of how wrong they may be. Remember the early projections about how deadly it was supposed to be, then it turns out some people may be asymptomatic, but maybe not, then papayas and a goat started testing positive in the third world?

>>19905135
Plus, there are so many of these retards there are always a bunch of them calling a bubble at any given time.

>>19905077
That what you've linked is outdated as I've shown with an article in the oldest and most prestigious medical journal.

>>19905135
Did you know it took 5 years to even learn that hiv is controlled by a reverse transcriptase?

>>19905165
>That what you've linked is outdated as I've shown with an article in the oldest and most prestigious medical journal.
Anon, viruses duplicate in your body.
A high viral load does not necessarily imply more exposure.

And without lockdown, more old people would be getting exposed as well.

>>19905077
>>19905135
>>19905143

Yeah, its like people just forgot about all the shit that was going down before corona. Stocks were massively overvalued before corona. GDP growth was WEAK, <2% if you believe the government's massive underestimation of inflation. If you measured inflation properly, we'd have been in an economy recession for years before corona.

You had the fed pumping hundreds of billions to prop up the repo market late 2019, and the market collapsing BEFORE the shutdowns were even a thing. Then AFTER the crash, all of a sudden the politicians then said we needed shutdowns and stimulus (before that when stocks were high corona was nothing / a hoax). Corona was a scapegoat for their economic failures. And it was a god send for politicians that drove our economy into the ground to give them the "invisible enemy" to blame instead of terrible fiscal / monetary policy.

>>19905186
Nice fanfic anon.
You clearly put a lot of work into it.

>>19905181
>Anon, viruses duplicate in your body.
I know.
>A high viral load does not necessarily imply more exposure.
Well, it directly implies a significant higher percentage of having the possibility...

>>19905236
>Well, it directly implies a significant higher percentage of having the possibility...
Without lockdown, all age groups would be getting more exposure.
It in no way changes the fact that the average age of covid deaths is well into the 70s.

>>19903443

So, this was what caused the dump in futures.

>>19905249
>It in no way changes the fact that the average age of covid deaths is well into the 70s.
Correct, because of the lockdown which reduced the viral load.

>>19905266
Without lockdown, all age groups would get more exposure, and thus more viral load.

>>19903443
Just a flu my man

>>19905181
Not the anon you were replying to, but the viral load is indicative of virus that is entering the patient before they develop immunity. Viruses reproduce exponentially, so the starting number of infected cells has a large effect on the ending number before your body can develop immunity. With more infected cells there's more immune response and worse symptoms.

That's all I got, be good anon

>>19905277
Correct.
Thanks for agreeing with me since the beginning.
No lockdown = higher viral load = younger people risk rises significantly
Lockdown = lower viral load = only older/low immune system people at risk

>>19905290
More exposure can lead to more viral load, yes.

But without lockdowns all age groups would be getting more exposure.
It wouldn't change the average age of covid deaths.

>>19905323
>No lockdown = higher viral load = younger people risk rises significantly
Risk for old people rises significantly as well.

>>19903569
>trump supporters claim the corona hoax and protest
>a yes very freedom of you
>protest about police brutality
>HOW DARE YOU? You a spreading corona which isnt a hoax anymore i guess
tippy toppy kek

>>19905334
>Risk for old people rises significantly as well.
Captain obvious, that's very obvious.

And now back to your >>19904296
>cope

>>19905290
Good, good, the lockdown was very important and worth destroying the economy for. Better to force everyone into a recession for the greater good.

>>19905339
This amount of spin takes effort and talent, congrats anon.

>>19905212

Not fiction, fact. "15 days to slow the spread" was announced march 16, after the stock market crash. Before shutdowns were a thing, and way before they were even going to last more than 15 days.

Corona was actually good for the stock market because it gave politicians cover to print money and doll it out as they saw fit without oversight.

That's why corona doesn't matter. Cases don't matter, Vaccine doesn't matter. Second wave doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is if people actually start to realize the real reason our economy is shit right now, then the politicians will probably all of a sudden want shutdowns again, all of a sudden corona is bad again, because they will need something to deflect blame.

>>19905359
Ah moving the goal post i see

>>19905349
>Captain obvious, that's very obvious.

lmao, your point was that higher viral load would mean lower proportion of elderly deaths you absolute dumbass.

>>19905380
Yes anon, I'm the one moving the goalposts.

>>19905382
>lmao, your point was that higher viral load would mean lower proportion of elderly deaths you absolute dumbass.

ehm no...
i responded to your graph after your
>Another nothingburger that kills 99% elderly people with severe underlying conditions who only had a few months to live anyway?

The graph would've been wrong without the lockdowns, as we can see you've agreed with me.
I literally wrote
>which is deadly for everyone

Now, cope harder MIGA faggot

>>19904642
>Trump haters
it was a light-hearted riff at his 'slowing the counting' gaff, and Trumplets immediately hit 180 on the apoplectic rage-o-meter. We've went from:
>This Virus Isn't
to:
>Its Not His Fault. None of It.
That anon was right, you boys getting a bit touchy of late. sup, things not going too well on the campaign trail?

>>19905409
I posted a chart to prove that the average age of covid deaths was extremely high.

You then replied "depends on viral load", implying that a higher viral load would mean a lower average covid death age.

Try to keep up with your own retardation.

>>19905430
The schizo levels on this post are off the chart.

>>19905447
>higher viral load would mean a lower average covid death age
Which is correct and even you agreed on.
If more younger people start to die the average age doesn't go up, NA education retard

>>19905334
Yep, sure wasn't trying to imply it would raise the average age, it was just raise the number of deaths. I'm not going to try and say I'm for the lockdown, and I work in healthcare. I was just elaborating.

>>19905487
>Which is correct and even you agreed on.
But you just said your point wasn't that "higher viral load would mean lower proportion of elderly deaths".

Get back on your meds you absolute schizo.

>>19905354
I didn't actually say that did I? I didn't mean to imply it either. I work in healthcare and yeah it sucked, but I don't think the lockdown will help much in the long run.

>>19905495
>sure wasn't trying to imply it would raise the average age, it was just raise the number of deaths
Then we're on the same page.

>>19905508
>higher viral load would mean lower proportion of elderly deaths
Ehm... that's how percentages work.
Also, my no was directed to that I responded to something and wasn't referring to what you're saying... schizo

>>19905400
Glad you see the error of your argument.

>>19904013
You are retarded.

>>19903443
>Those darn Trump rallies! Come on people we need to stop Republicans from spreading the coronavirus so darn much! Look at the chart! The Trump rally did this you freakin' morons! I believe in science not your opinion! What'd you mean George Floyd had coronavirus for a full month before he died? Huh? What'd you mean the BLM protests caused this? How could innocent people of color cause this? Bigot! Disgusting bigot! How dare you?? Outrageous! This man is a racist! You are blaming people, who are speaking out against police brutality in a peaceful and socially distanced way, for the increase in coronavirus cases?! Fuck you White scum! You should be ashamed of yourself! The Trump rally just happened and so are the cases... what do you mean two weeks? Two weeks incubation? I'd like to see source. No, give me a URL. A URL! Ha! That's right, you're wrong, I'm right. Racists always lose! Fuck Trump and fuck niggers!

>>19905538
>Ehm... that's how percentages work.
When all age groups have increased viral load, their proportion of deaths will rise porportionately.
That's how percentages work.

>my no was directed to that I responded to something and wasn't referring to what you're saying...
When your mind ties verbal knots.

>>19905663
>stocks are high
>corona is a hoax keep buying

>stocks are low
>corona is actually a big deal we need to shutdown and print a trillion dollars

>>19903636

Time to buy toilet paper