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>>1590
I'll add this one too

Capitalism is the reason why I succeeded here in America.

You go to France where my family is from and the government is basically stealing from you.

I have actually accumulated wealth here and I am free to do what I want.

yurop a shit, America rocks

fuck of communism is best!!!!!!! piec eof shit

>>1872
I hope you're trolling

I like how most people I meet who advocate for communism/socialism etc. are bound to their iPhones and starbucks while calling companies they don't like greedy

society is a damn shame today

NEW THREAD
>>>>>>200

>>1913
you're just rich bastard who doesn't want to help the poor

>>1776

Ayn Rand. Ew.

She doesn't deserve the shit she gets from the left, but that doesn't mean she wasn't a stark raving bitch...

>>1958
quit being a little punk and work for your money

and I'm the farthest thing from rich, I'm joining the army this summer what the fuck are you doing pussy?

>>2003
I'll be the first to admit how dry her writings were but she was freaking brilliant

>>1482
I thought politics where about having your own opinions.
I think there are better alternatives then both communism and capitalism it's a real shame the people can't think outside the box.

>>1913
>I like how most people I meet who advocate for communism/socialism etc. are bound to their iPhones and starbucks while calling companies they don't like greedy
Sounds like American 'Socialists'

>>2088
There are always losers in any economic system

with capitalism at least the losers are based on work and merit

it's not perfect, but it's by far the best system so far

>>1482
Capitalism's pretty great. I find it annoying when people assume that by standing up for capitalism you must automatically be a complete free-marketer and want zero restrictions on business of any sort. There's a clear fucking balance which works out best for everyone, where a largely free and open market produces a vibrant economy, from which government skims enough money to counteract the social problems that capitalism can cause, doing those few things which the profit motive can't or won't provide for the people - and slapping down corporations that try to monopolise or manipulate the market.

>>2016
>I'm going to be payed to do useless shit with your tax money this summer what the fuck are you doing pussy?

Get a real job you god damn welfare queen.

My favorite image

>>2205
fucking this
the irony obliterated my sides

>>2233
Lel, you'd think after 100+ million dead innocents that people would understand how it's not a good system in practice or theory

You don't need to be a minarchist/ancap to support capitalism.

I'm also pretty sure that socialists or commies have zero reason to care about this place.

>>2578
To be fair, most of Stalin and Pol Pot's victims were out of political spite. They failed to understand a LOT more than just economics

>>2233

>>2658
I've never yet met a socialist person who knew a damn thing about business. Thankfully I've never met a bona fide commie, so I can't comment on them.

>>2817
oh my God that is so hilariously wrong

>>2710

>To be fair

Haha no. Killing your ideological fellow travelers because they're views are considered heterodox is much, much scarier.

>>2658
>I'm also pretty sure that socialists or commies have zero reason to care about this place.

They will come here to do "netroots activism" AKA disrupt the board by spamming ridiculous shitposts and filling them with samefag responses. Just like they do on /pol/.

Then when people stop responding to them and just hide their threads, they will declare victory and proclaim /biz/ as a socialist board. Just like they did on /pol/.

>>3107
>implying it's any worse than the other one

>>2894
Commies I've met actually do seem to have a good grasp on economics. Their views on them are pretty damn strange, but something worth arguing at least. Socialists are typical 4 DA PEEPL retards, though.

Can we all appreciate that right at this very second if I wanted milk I could walk down to Walmart and buy some milk?

no rationing, no bread lines, no starvation

I just exchange the value I worked for in return for the value of the milk.

>>3301
Your purchase was public supported by both government subsidies and the welfare programs Walmart tells its employees to use.

>>3284
in my experience it's almost the opposite

most idiots claiming to be communist that I've met have no grasp on economics or the simply history lesson that it takes to show how wrong they are

socialists are misguided and incorrect too but I can at least talk to them without wanting to face palm myself to oblivion

It's a reflection of evolution

>>1482
First few posters were natsoc spammers from /pol/, so inb4 that */biz/ is a capitalist board* crap.
I know that socialism is moral, but I'm a shit person and I want money. Dont lie to yourself so that you can feel better.

>>3382
By communists I meant people who are rightfully against state economics, but lean far left. Socialists can be self described commies, but are shit tier authoritarian red scum every time.

>>3431
socialism ≠ charity

charity is voluntary giving up your wealth to help others

socialism, welfare etc. is the forced taking of wealth in order to help others

this always comes up with the "Jesus would have been a liberal" arguments and I thought I'd clear it up here before it went any further

>capitalists
>communists
I have this idea.My thinking governments main object should be making basic need accessible to all people. Not giving away free but making it cheap.Like in this system if you go to doctor you wont pay 12414000 dollar or you wont be able to get it free.If there is price of some basic need is too expensive and government wasnt able to lower it alternative would be releasing government backed version of it. Which will have acceptable price. Can someone point out what is wrong with this? I have been thinking about this for some time and only bad thing that came to my mind is that maybe money will lose value.

>>3521
Capitalism does not mean the government doesn't exist. Canucks have public health care, and their nation is very economically free.

>>1482
This is politics.
We have a board for that.
This board is made for buisness.

>>1590
I like this board already

I agree completely

Capitalism on it's own is not the best. Completely free and open markets allow businesses to screw over the little guy and create monopolies, which are ultimately bad for the general populace. We need some sort of restrictions on businesses so that they don't become economic superpowers.

Don't get me wrong, capitalism is a good thing. Just, well, pure capitalism isn't.

>>1727
God bless this board already
You're a good man, frog spawn.

>>2817
You forgot to photoshop wads of cash onto them first.

>>3521

1) Liberalism (that is, the essential ideological bedrock of western civilization, not modern liberalism) has had conversations about how active the government should be essentially since it came to the fore. Just because capitalism is the economic system, doesn't mean there is no government.

2) You can argue that the government has created situations that increase the cost of goods and services. So you're asking the government to step in to fix a problem -- almost always spending a ton of money and creating additional issues -- that it created in the first place.

>>3428
Pretty much this.
Admittedly though, the better and bigger products are not always a good thing, but humans themselves are pretty gray-area as it is since we can be very corrupt but also brilliant.
We are the ultimate in evolution, the first creatures (on this planet at least) to go out our atmosphere.

As a company grows, generally you can feel that they are good, at least business good, they won't try and kill you (instantly), they will create a product of reasonably decent quality with very few cases of spoilt product.
Stuff like that.

The smaller a company is, the more chance it might have of initially screwing up.
But some might not at all, but the very fact they are small means they can be wiped out easily.
That is one of the downsides.
Just like evolutions real drive, it isn't about survival of the fittest, it is more survival of the luckiest these days.
You might be buff as fuck, not going to stop an asteroid wrecking your ass or a falling tree from crushing your ribcage.

Look out, Marxism coming through. You have nothing to lose but your chains etc.

>>3511
Probably wouldn't have been a liberal, but I really don't care what some carpenter who was #rekt by kikes has to say about politics. I prefer the real messiah. Pic related.

>>3559
Canada isnt much capitalist though and you are missing the point. In this goverment actually intervenes the economy if prices are not acceptable. IIRC in capitalism goverments intervene shouldnt happen.

>>3694

Capitalism isn't a government system, it's a feature of a liberal democratic society.

>raising the minimum wage

Economics really needs to be required in schools

>>3511
Sounds like anarcho-commie thinking.
>people will donate because they are nice.

>>1590
>>1643
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>>3694
Well, I'm just going by numbers, and statistically speaking it IS easier to run a business in Canada than most of the world, even America.
>>3755
The minimum wage shouldn't even exist. Negative income tax, mofuggah.

>>2817
>all those statist dictators were capitalist

AHAHHAHHAHHA OH GOD

Socialists always shift blame when their system fails.

>>3681
Are you impliying that goverment should not step in when there is problem ?

>>1590
>>1643
>>3564

This.

Friedman is a part of, and so very much supports, the Chosen Peoples™

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulqBb4JePuQ

>>3822
Statists can be capitalist, too. The difference is that they use it against the consumers, not for them.

>>3284
>Commies I've met actually do seem to have a good grasp on economics.
Phhht ahahahahha

>>3663
Anyone have the anti communist version

>>3855
>Statists can be capitalist, too.
But every single fucking thing a statist has the ability to do, destroys capitalism and the free market in the first place.

You're basically saying 1+1=3.

>>3822
fukken saved

>>3891
If a capitalist economic system isn't a free market...it's still capitalism.
For fuck's sake, you could have just said "capitalism had nothing to do with it" and leave it at that.

There should be reverse-socialism... Low income people (dirty peasants) get taxed at 60% and the more you make, the less you pay in %. Great idea or greatest idea?

>>3947
>If a capitalist economic system isn't a free market...it's still capitalism.
According to your logic the soviet union is "capitalism".

Capitalism is a term so fucking vague and has lost all fucking meaning. It's only used to deceive people now.

>>3969
Brilliant. It's like you want to be murdered by a pissed off minimum wage worked.

>>3859
They did. They didn't agree with the capitalist conclusions, though.

>>3822
>Implying lifespan isn't the same in socialist countries
>Forgetting about inflation.
>See first point
>This is only true if you count in inflation, and you don't.
>see second point
>same
>Implying that internet wasn't made by the US government, and not the free market.

>>3822

>>3891
>My specific, entirely infallible brand of Capitalism has never been tried!

>>4006
What...what the fuck are you babbling about? You're the only one redefining capitalism whenever it suits him.
Fucking an-caps and their middle school logic.

>>3969
It's called feudalism, and went even farther by making the tax rate at the top brackets in the negatives.

>>3993
>le french revolution faic

>>4025
>>Implying lifespan isn't the same in socialist countries
It's not are you kidding me.

>>Forgetting about inflation.
>>See first point
>>This is only true if you count in inflation, and you don't.
>>see second point
Actually every single one of those figures is adjusted for inflation.

>>Implying that internet wasn't made by the US government, and not the free market.
>muh roads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbR4cjA-Few#t=0

>>4046
Lol but they never were capitalist or claimed to be capitalist. In wasn't even close to capitalism.

Why do leftists get so mad when we take away their ammunition and retarded strawman arguments.

>>3822

>scientists such as Haber and Borlaug worked at state-funded institutions and received federal grades to conduct groundbreaking research that stabilized the food supply for billions
>LEL CAPITALISM ALONE LOWERED THE FOOD PRICES

>>4146
>Pinochet
>not capitalist
I'm done.
I'm so fucking done.

>>4185

grades = grants*

>>4146
That image can apply to literally any one of these retarded Internet arguments.

It's like the concept that the world is a complicated place where a simple solution to every problem doesn't actually exist is unthinkable to people.

>>3969
It's already like this because poor people don't have Swiss bank accounts and small companies don't operate offshore

>>4185
Low flying fruit.

>>4205
>pinochet is capitalist because he was slightly more right wing than the previous guy

Why are you even on this board if you're that stupid?

>>4025

Social democracy isn't socialism. Sorry, but there are several private businesses that run in Sweden, meaning the means of production are still owned privately.

>>4185
Uh, they're not the ones who build the factories and farms that increased the supply of food worldwide

>>3663
Can an individual worker buy the machines on their own?

>>4283
>implying this board is a bastion of intellectual debate
>implying it isn't just /new/ 3.0

And no, he was capitalist because he enacted far-right economic reforms and was a supporter of the private ownership of property and the means of production. You fucking moron.

>>4312

They're the ones who made it scientifically possible.

You're not a socialist are you? You don't think throwing money at the problem can solve things, right? Without certain scientific breakthroughs, those extra factories and farms would've made no difference.

>>2817
>Prussians
>Free marketeers

Why no one is talking about degrowth ? The starting point is that economic growth can't be infinite in finite world, and it's quite clever in my opinion.

>>4345
>And no, he was capitalist because he enacted far-right economic reforms
Yes lol, he supported the extremely vague definition of "capitalism". Now that you're done with your verbal diarrhea.

The fact remains that he did not support the free market at all.

Which is what we're talking about, not "capitalism".

>>4368
>They're the ones who made it scientifically possible.
If the state didn't crowd out research and even ban some research in some cases, and didn't steal money from everyone, there would be an abundance of private research for-profit and non-profit.

>>4384
>The starting point is that economic growth can't be infinite in finite world, and it's quite clever in my opinion.
Not this bullshit again
see:
boards.4chan.org/biz/res/4231

>>4419
>Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy.
Yeah mate, Pinochet handed over the means of production to workers when he was in power. Totally.

Please kill yourself.

>>1482
>The Free-market is what made America great

Can we get off this complete bit of revisionist history? From the start, America had a Mercantilist economy, started by the British. It dominated until Adam Smith's ideas did in the late 1800s, which didn't gain enough steam until the early industrial revolution. By the time we were embracing the Free Market, it was already 1910.

Most of the Industrial Revolution's great inventions and ideas happened before this. All Free Market Capitalism did was string out and pump up a good time, but ultimately lead straight to the great depression. After that, we were a social-safety mixed economy for a while, until the 50's after the war.

And you can call that period a "Golden age of international Free Market Capitalism" because of the lowering of trade barriers all you want, but in reality, it was just mercantilism by any other name. The reason why trade barriers were a bad thing for the U.S. at the time was because it was the only major player on the World Stage that wasn't Communist, so it served American interests to get rid of Trade Barriers for two reasons: to export American Capitalist thought, and to knock out any local competition and dominate economies for years to come.

Now that there's actual competition, adhering to a Free Market dogma is only killing us. Not only because we can't truly compete due to our standard of living, but because it's basic game theory. If you set up the game so that you'll always capitulate, and you tell the other side you're always going to capitulate, eventually the other side won't capitulate as well. Eventually, they'll take advantage of the situation.

All those "libertarian paradises" like Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, and Chile that libertarians love to crow on about are really just Mercantilist countries anyway. The only difference is, instead of literal trade barriers through tariffs, they just use targeted subsidies to kill any foreign competition.

Pic Unrelated

>>4515
>Hong Kong is merchantilist
>You in charge of knowing anything

>>4556

>Thinking Mercantilism is only Tariffs
>You in charge of knowing anything

Try starting an import business in Hong Kong with local competition.

I'd love to see your money get flushed down a toilet.

>>4384
There's no doubt that certain forms of growth cannot continue indefinitely - e.g. eventually all oil will be found and even further off than that all reasonably extractable oil will be extracted, etc. - but certain forms of growth (I.e. the creation of wealth) will continue indefinitely. When people go to work they sell their time to the market - the supply of this time will never cease so as long as labor has a value, so there's an indefinite flow of new value into the market. There's a good argument for a slowdown in economic growth, but I don't see a contraction happening soon, more likely a gradual levelling off, driven in large part by the stabilisation of the world's population - since a growing workforce is a massive driver of overall economic growth, as they demand more products and simultaneously produce more wealth.

>>4515
>but ultimately lead straight to the great depression.
That was the federal reserve and the state's insane level of economic controls you brainwashed moron.

Capitalism got us the gilded age the greatest increase in human living standards worldwide up to that point.

>>4482
>Pinochet handed over the means of production to workers when he was in power.
That has nothing to do with anything.
Just because he wasn't a fucking socialist doesn't mean he was a capitalist.
Are you ACTUALLY this stupid or do you just have no argument left.

There was very little economic freedom in his country.

>Please kill yourself.
Lol, you people are going to starve to death when your precious petrodollar collapses, eat shit and die fascist.

>>4599

>That was the fed

Let me guess, you're going to show me Bernanke's quote where he "admits" the Fed caused the great depression

>>>/pol/
Adults are talking.

>>4604
>Mercantilism is a national economic policy aimed at accumulating monetary reserves through a positive balance of trade

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/hong-kong/balance-of-trade

>>4599
HE WAS STILL CAPITALIST YOU FUCKING DENSE CUNT
AND HE ACTIVELY FURTHERED FREE MARKETS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Chile#Reforms
HOW DO YOU EVEN HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO BREATH?

We need a sticky explaining that "capitalism", "socialism", etc are buzzwords that mostly mean whatever the speaker wants them to mean.

>>4632
>no evidence to the contrary

can't ignore the truth bud, he gave you the correct answer

>>4457
I don't think it could be cost-efficient right now, and I don't think there is any oil/gas on the asteroids. Besides that, the future lack of resources are not the only problem, what do you do with dangerous waste and pollution ?

>>4632
>Let me guess, you're going to show me Bernanke's quote where he "admits" the Fed caused the great depression
No, you brainwashed child.

The great depression happened because the government basically destroyed the entire economy by controlling it to death. Taxes were almost at 100%, it was the most regulated time in american history.

The depression ended when we cut all of the regulations and taxes of the depression.

The great depressions should actually be called "the time when america actually tried socialism"

Get mad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czcUmnsprQI

>>4651

>Gives an actual definition of mercantilism
>What is a small economy
>What is targeted subsidies

I'm sure an economy within an economy like Hong Kong imports a ton of shit. But every industry they compete in is subsidized like a mother fucker.

>>4599
Only thing FED really did in relationship to the great depression was that it delayed the fall, so it in the end, was much worse than a smaller fall.
Anybody with a brain knew that the FED was almost overextended by the time, and it had to happen evetually at its pace. And the feed only did what other crysis preventers had done: Loan out money to prevent cash out defaulting.

>>4690
>The great depression happened because the government basically destroyed the entire economy by controlling it to death.
What planet are you from?

>>4680
>HE WAS STILL CAPITALIST YOU FUCKING DENSE CUNT
NO HE WASN'T YOU SHIT EATING SHILL

HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE?

>AND HE ACTIVELY FURTHERED FREE MARKETS
He liberalized small sections of the fucking economy while having strong regulations and nationalization of everything else.

He didn't support the free market. You're actually this stupid.

Are you really a socialist by the way? In that case you shouldn't be on this board. Kill yourself.

>HOW DO YOU EVEN HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO BREATH?
Do you even have the mental capacity to spell the word "breathe" correctly?

I love how P&G did fuck with BraUn but the fuck with there most popular aftershave which was OldSpice. Still smells amazing but it would have been nice if they gave us the option to at least choose between the 2 scents.

>>4706
the future lack of resources is not the only problem... shit, I'm tired

>>4720
>What planet are you from?
The one where this actually fucking happened?

Are you actually denying the new deal existed?
http://mises.org/daily/3515

Wait lol you actually think the great depression was some natural thing that happened. lol oh god the corporate elites that rule this country have you by the balls

>>4730
Whatever they're doing its obviously not working.

>>4684
Capitalism = private ownership of the means of production
Socialism = public ownership of the means of production

the end.

>>4690

>The great depression happened because the government basically destroyed the entire economy by controlling it to death

Keep sucking that banker dick, anon.

>>4771

>>>/reddit/

>>4783

In modern day mercantilism, deficits themselves are not the target of scorn in and of themselves. The idea is to import what you can't create and then subsidize what you can.

It's a hybrid system. It's working great. But let's be honest, it fucking ain't the free market in any way, no matter how little taxes they have.

>>4771
>Keep sucking that banker dick, anon.
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

Oh god the irony is so fucking delicious. You print trillions of dollars and give it to bankers and corporations while threatening anyone who wants to move away from this system and start their own currency(like the liberty dollar). You actually let the bankers and corporate elite turn america into a poverty shithole for over ten years in the 1930s.

lol

>>4748
>SHILL
Oh great, the braindead capitalist drones favourite buzzword.

>He liberalized small sections of the fucking economy while having strong regulations and nationalization of everything else.
Name an industry he nationalised.

>He didn't support the free market.
Oh, but he did.

>Are you really a socialist by the way?
I am, actually, but that's entirely irrelevant to this conversation.

>Do you even have the mental capacity to spell the word "breathe" correctly?
That's how it's spelt you brain damaged American shitbucket

>>4748
>Are you really a socialist by the way? In that case you shouldn't be on this board.
Who the fuck are you? I think you should go the fuck back to >>>/pol/ you freak.

>>4766
What if it's mixed?
Also, tell that to all the people bitching about how the ACA is socialism, etc.

>>4778
The Great Depression was in 1929, Roosevelt wasn't even elected until 1932, you freak.

>>4748
>calling other people shills
>being an Internet libertarian cultist
Go on, post some research that isn't from mises.org.

>>4818

>Being this economically retarded

Is this how /biz/ going to be, /pol/ 2.0? I was hoping people were getting tired enough of libertarianism to create a new cult of ideology on /biz/, but I guess it's more of the shitty same.

>>4866

>I am, actually, but that's entirely irrelevant to this conversation.

It's entirely relevant, because you've just admitted that you're completely unqualified to talk about economic matters.

>>4871
>Who the fuck are you? I think you should go the fuck back to >>>/pol/ you freak.

I think you should get back to whatever hugbox board you came from, faggot.

>>4899

>I think you should get back to whatever hugbox board you came from, faggot.

I'm from /pol/ faggot

Should we even use the term capitalism here?, I mean the definition is so fucking losely and liberally interpreted it basically means nothing, muh mruket instead?

>>4899
Simply epic, friend.

>>4125

That video agrees that the govt made the internet. (or at least the protocol that it runs on)

So what? What is your argument here? That the government invents things at a faster rate?
This proved that the govt invented things faster than the market, at that point in time anyways.

Is your argument that it would've been better if the govt hadn't invented the internet? If so what does that have to do with anything and why hasn't a better protocol been developed? The idea that everyone simply jumped onto the biggest protocol is ridiculous, if private companies seeking to expand the internet and get some money out of it saw a large enough flaw as that video seems to indicate there is in our current protocols wouldn't they invent a new one and show it off to the scientists?

>>4899
Tell me more about the Great Depression, O Amazing Anon Who Gets To Say Who Gets To Use This Board! You are not a worthless moron with mental issues in the least!

This board is already ruined by kids from /b/ who don't know a thing about economics and treat capitalism like hipsters treat communism.

>ya capitalusm! rook at me im so edgy XD

This thread is a good reason for perhaps adding a basic econ test to gain access to this board. If you can't manipulate S&D curves you shouldn't be posting here.

>>4847
>>calling other people shills
>>being an Internet libertarian cultist
Oh god, no argument detected.
You actually have nothing at all.
Yes, keep pretending stalin or something was a capitalist because he didn't make the state completely run the economy.

>>4866
>braindead capitalist
Awwwww, what's the problem? Too much freedom for you. You dirty fucks really seem to hate yourselves.

>Name an industry he nationalised.
The ones he didn't "privatize".
and by "privatize" I mean let a few people own it but strongly regulate it.

>Oh, but he did.
He didn't. Nobody except for you believes this. You're a compulsive liar with no facts to back up your claim.

You're a fucking socialist, seriously, get off this board.

>but that's entirely irrelevant to this conversation.
Yes yes it fucking is.

You people REALLY need to fall off a cliff or something, no matter how many times your authoritarian system collapses and impoverishes people you still defend it to the death you true believer.

>>Do you even have the mental capacity to spell the word "breathe" correctly?
>That's how it's spelt you brain damaged American shitbucket
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/breathe_breath.htm

OH GOD YOU DOUBLED DOWN AND YOU STILL GOT TOLD

>>2233
But it really hasn't been tried. All those "communisms" have just been sorta like it. They've practically all been dictatorships under the guise of communism

>>4920

>Maximum tipping

>>4958

Really, what could I say that would stop a Socialist from being completely and utterly retarded?

>>4897
>>Being this economically retarded
Nice one really.
I love the fact you have no argument and cannot refute me you child.

>I was hoping people were getting tired enough of libertarianism
We're just getting started.

This is basically /liberty/ the board you fucking commie. There's nothing you can do about it.

>>4897
I fucking hope not. We may need to try to find a way to deal with the austrain/glibbertarian spam though. I'm not sure containment threads will cut it.

>>4871
>What if it's mixed?
Their is no predominately socialist economy in the world today, so they're still capitalist overwhelmingly.
>Also, tell that to all the people bitching about how the ACA is socialism, etc.
ACA is capitalism at its finest, its all about making money for insurance companies.

>>4974
>>5017

You're right guys, let's head over to Reddit where where only Liberal-approved economic theories are permitted; and where opinions we don't like are deleted.

>>5017

>Already asking moot to split the board

This will not go over well.

>>5004
>The ones he didn't "privatize".
>and by "privatize" I mean let a few people own it but strongly regulate it.

So you can't name one. Cool.

>He didn't. Nobody except for you believes this. You're a compulsive liar with no facts to back up your claim.
Pretty much everyone thinks this. He was backed by the fucking Chicago Boys.

>>4871
>The Great Depression was in 1929, Roosevelt wasn't even elected until 1932, you freak.
No fucking shit, hoover and FDR had very similar policies.

>>4974
Ah yes, look at the butthurt commie trying to deceive people.

>>5052
Just set some boundaries, though I don't know what kind.

>>5063
Look, you're pretty textbook and I agree, but there's a substantial number of people who just don't use the textbook definitions.

>>4899
>Hurr you cant be a socialist in my Libertarian circlejerk board
go fuck yourself scum!

>>5069
>I've never been on reddit

>>5087

Pinochet was as much of a Socialist as he was a Capitalist. Educate yourself.

>>5069
>liberals
>socialist

>>5104

>I've been on Reddit

>>5087
>So you can't name one. Cool.
Yes I did. The ones he didn't "privatize", meaning, most of them.

>Pretty much everyone thinks this.
Nobody thinks it was a libertarian total free market paradise you unbelievably retarded person.

>He was backed by the fucking Chicago Boys.
All friedman did was give him economic advice.
Stop reading that authoritarian cunt naomi klein you self hating faggot, kill yourself already/


Lol and you couldn't respond to the rest of my post, especially the part where you got TOLD. Socialists cannot even spell words correctly.

>>5116
>number of people who just don't use the textbook definitions.
Yeah so? If they can't accept reality then they're dumbasses.

>>5076

>Hoover and FDR had very similar policies
>I literally cannot stop re-visioning history.

They OBJECTIVELY didn't have any policies even close to each other reguarding the Great Depression.

What the fuck are you smoking?

Why would anyone actually support socialism?

Are they 12 years old or something?

Why do they think it would benefit them AT ALL?

>>5180
Sounds good.

>>5117

All people are asking and hoping is that this be a board for those with even a terse knowledge of economic affairs. This excludes Socialists and Communists by default; i'm sorry that hurts your feelings.

>>5148
This is the most retarded compass I've ever fucking seen
>Fascism
>Kingdoms
>Neolibs and Neocons anywhere near the left

Besides, Pinochet is only slightly to the left of Ron Paul of that triangle. Is Ron Paul not a capitalist?

>libertarianism
Why?

>>5199
See, shit like this should be below the board's quality standard.

>>5208
The people aren't placed well on that map

But Pinochet at most is a neoliberal

Ron Paul is a Paleoconservative, which is far more anti-government.

>>5208

>I can't interpret a fucking triangle

Wow.

>>5182
>>Hoover and FDR had very similar policies
This is a literal fucking fact and you could look it up if you want
>>I literally cannot stop re-visioning history.
>EVERYTHING I WAS FORCE FED IN STATE RUN SCHOOLS IS ABSOLUTE FACT, WHY WOULD THEY EVER LIE TO ME?

>They OBJECTIVELY didn't have any policies even close to each other reguarding the Great Depression.
Lel
http://mises.org/rothbard/agd/chapter11.asp
http://mises.org/daily/6413/
http://mises.org/daily/4350

Why was Andrew Jackson so good?

>>4515
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism

>Building a network of overseas colonies;
Forbidding colonies to trade with other nations;
Monopolizing markets with staple ports;
Banning the export of gold and silver, even for payments;
Forbidding trade to be carried in foreign ships;
Export subsidies;
Limiting wages;

>High tarrifs

>Hume famously noted the impossibility of the mercantilists' goal of a constant positive balance of trade[citation needed]. As bullion flowed into one country, the supply would increase and the value of bullion in that state would steadily decline relative to other goods. Conversely, in the state exporting bullion, its value would slowly rise. Eventually it would no longer be cost-effective to export goods from the high-price country to the low-price country, and the balance of trade would reverse itself. Mercantilists fundamentally misunderstood this, long arguing that an increase in the money supply simply meant that everyone gets richer.

What exactly are you trying to say? Did you even read the whole definition?

>>5117
>>Hurr you cant be a socialist in my Libertarian circlejerk board
You can't be.

This is an economics and finance board.

Something socialists are very much against, especially finance.

>>5267
He killed the bank.

>>5221
Why not?
I don't want to be poor.

I don't want to see everyone in my society poor.

>>5199
>Why do they think it would benefit them AT ALL?
Everyone, unlike a certain other economic philosophy which only benefits a few greedy assholes why deluding dumb peasants such as yourself into thinking they can "make it" if they just want it hard enough.

>>5172
I prefer this one

>>5207
Cool story bro, but its still a valid economic theory whether you like it or not.

>>5319

>Cool story bro, but its still a valid economic theory

If you're completely amoral and think that the millions of deaths that have traditionally been required to implement them is a small price to pay, then absolutely. Even then, they're doomed from the start after having been established.

>>5299
Extreme libertarianism just seems a bit dangerous.
Would you want a vaccine produced in a libertarian world?

>>4596
Your reply is fuelling my thoughts, thanks smart anon.

>>5296
Whatever you say, the Care Bears are called /biz/ounours in France.

>>5294
>Everyone,
Wow you seem to have quoted the wrong part of my post.

It's not everyone, it's mostly no one.
Nobody wants their money taken away from them by force.

Also taxing the rich does not benefit you at all, money is not consumer goods lol, if you took all the money the rich have, prices will simply go up to reflect that(also the economy would be destroyed because there would be no production but lets ignore that for a moment) and you wouldn't be any better off. Increasing production is what raises living standards, the rich actually have nothing you can steal. Their houses and cars are a drop in the bucket of what makes up an economy.

These facts make socialists rage.

>>5278
That is rich since Socialism is an economic philosophy, maybe you're thinking of Communist? But Can't expect Free market idiots to know anything about socialism outside of their pathetic strawmen stereotypes they cling to to validate their own weak economic ideology.

>>5004
>>5247
>Still posting mises.org
>clearly has no formal education in economics
Are you sure you're not 16?
You're embarrassing yourself, kid.

>>5346
>Would you want a vaccine produced in a libertarian world?
Yes, it wouldn't have mercury and cancer viruses in it.

But seriously, I would trust it far more than the government, that's for damn sure.

>>5399

>Socialist
>Calling other peoples' economic theories weak

Brb, getting my sides stitched back on.

>>5357
Hahaha ok i'm done with you! You don't know what socialism is to begin with! USSR authoritarian social democracy doesn't even fit the textbook definition of what socialism is: "public ownership of the means of production", I bet you think Scandinavia is "socialist" too right lol?

>>5408
I dunno, I could go either way on it. The government can be shady but I'm not sure I want to trust something like that to a libertarian world.

>>5269

You do realize Mercantilism is fucking old as fuck. And we have neo-mercantilism now.

Things have changed. We don't have colonies, obviously old mercantilism doesn't work anymore. Do you believe in Adam's Smith actual view of free market capitalism still? No, of course not! Because things have changed...at least, I hope you don't.

>>5399
>That is rich since Socialism is an economic philosophy,
Yes, but it doesn't understand or believe in actual economics at all, it's the creation science of economics.

Why do you think young earth creationists are basically non-existent on /sci/?

>Free market idiots
You shitstains basically got destroyed in this thread and you have the balls to call anyone else an idiot. Cute.

> to know anything about socialism
We spend time actually learning socialism before we debunk it.

You know nothing about the free market and have nothing but strawman arguments.

>>5407
>>clearly has no formal education in economics
>IF YOU DIDN'T GET FORCE FED KEYNESIANISM AND GENDER STUDIES IN A STATE RUN/PROPPED UP UNIVERSITY THEN YOU'RE NOT AN ECONOMIST

>ALL TRUTH COMES FROM AUTHORITY, I AM ACTUALLY THIS MUCH OF AN INVALID

You're a child who's raging that you're unable to refute anything I said.

The great depression was caused by unbelievable state controls on the economy. More and more mainstream economists are now saying this.

>>5462

>"public ownership of the means of production"

Define that objectively, please.

>>5172
Name one. Go on.

>Nobody thinks it was a libertarian total free market paradise you unbelievably retarded person.

Well they do, in real life.

>All friedman did was give him economic advice.
So... how does that disprove what I fucking said?
And I've never read Naomi Klein

Americans tend to think that capitalism is so great only because they haven't seen what their capitalism does outside their little country.

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

Of course it's easy to be successful when you exploit everyone else.

>>3822
Say that to the thousands of deaths and dissapeared people from the dictatatorship on Chile. The lifespan was pretty diminished

>Hurr durr i don't care for the evolution of our society, i just want muh money.

>>5319
>but its still a valid economic theory
No, no it's not.

All forms of socialism are completely retarded. Marxism especially, they don't even believe evolution applies to humans, they don't even think we have biological instincts.
lel

>>5513
Afternoon Mr. Castro

>>5524
>Say that to the thousands of deaths and dissapeared people from the dictatatorship on Chile.
Okay? The state does authoritarian anti-libertarian things.

Thank you for proving my point kid.

>>5513
>They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?
You're fucking kidding right.
see pic

How TOLD can one person get?

>exploit everyone else.
Raising living standards dramatically is exploitation?
Turning the third world into the first world is exploitation?

>>5513
How about the success of capitalism in western Europe?
How about the failure of communism everywhere?

>>5389
I don't want the riches money I just want a system where no one can amass that much capital and power over other people to begin with, I want a democratic economy not a economy that benefits a few ruthless assholes; and even looking at in Social Democratic terms the rich have a responsibility to pay back to society what they took from it, mostly jobs they exported causing production levels to plummet in this country to begin with not to mention workers rights violations via union busting and generally passing laws keeping workers from democratically owning their workplaces, so yeah fuck those guys and fuck brainwashed dipshits like you too.

reminder

>>3301
but how about if you have no money?
>"if i wanted..."

>>5440
So you're saying that all that's left is
>import bad
>export good
Do those countries actively seek to put things out to sell and put shit tons of tariffs on everything? And if so, how is that a defense for whatever you're vouching for?

>>5574
>world poverty cut more than HALF
TFW

>>5584
>holocaust
>only 12 million
oi vey you better double the six million again

>>5584

>Communist logic
>If people didn't die at the hands of Communism, they died at the hands of Capitalism

The mental gymnastics of you delusional fucks never ceases to amaze.

>>5584
>lists every statist horror in human history and blames it on capitalism
This is what communists ACTUALLY BELIEVE

You know who made that fucking picture right?
This guy, SERIOUSLY. I'm not even kidding.
LOL

You're beyond desperate at this point.

>>5505
Communism =/= Socialism, if communist terms socialism is just a transitional period which retains things such as a market and money to a stateless, moneyless, classless society. Non Communist Socialist have no plans of establishing any of that.

>>5596
>I want a democratic economy not a economy that benefits a few ruthless assholes
Democracy should be abolished. It's voting on what violent acts to use against peaceful people.

>not a economy that benefits a few ruthless assholes;
Free markets benefit people at the bottom first by raising their living standards.
Prices come down while wages rise. Only in a deflationary free market though.

>>5671

You still haven't objectively defined "public ownership of the means of production". How are you going to implement it? What do you mean by "public"? The entire public, or a small portion?

>>5662
>>5663
lmao

bourgeois scum in control mode

:^)

>>5596
>I want a democratic economy

Fuck that. i don't want jamal or chung fu shu or punjeet to be as equal as i am

>>5278

Socialism is an economic system. It's not against economics, or finance.

Perhaps it's time to stop slinging around all the nifty little buzzwords you learn on Fox News, or at church, and perhaps take the time to learn the basics about things you want to argue against. Maybe then you won't sound like a complete moron, and non-retards might at least not mind listening to what you have to say.

Bear in mind I said learn, not blindly convert to. I realize that to people like you learning about anything, automatically equals rabid endorsement of it, but in reality that is not the case.

>>5609

It's a bit more complex than that. Why don't you take a few moments to look at your own theories before looking at mine. Like I said a few times in this thread. Read up on comparative advantage. Namely Ian Fletcher's work on it.

You seem a bit calmer, maybe you're open to learn something other than what's on Mises.

>>1482
>OP's pic
Please don't turn this board into another /pol/. We have something really good in the making, unlike that hellhole

>>5692
>Democracy should be abolished. It's voting on what violent acts to use against peaceful people.
Of coarse a free market fascist like yourself would think that, I suposed rule by corporate oligarchs is better?
>Free markets benefit people at the bottom first by raising their living standards.
Prices come down while wages rise. Only in a deflationary free market though.
Free markets have no moral imperative to do this and they won't, the workforces will be nothing less than slaves barely able to afford back the same goods they create.

>>5752

>Please don't turn this board into another bastion of free speech

Reddit's that way pal.

>>5508
>Name one. Go on.
I already did. Most of their economy.
But if you insist, here:
The nationalised Chilean mines were kept under state control after the Pinochet's 1973 Chilean coup d'état, despite the junta's pro-U.S. leanings and this is still the case, largely because of public sentiment and because Codelco is a major contributor to the Chilean Exchequer. Codelco pays income tax, all dividends go to the government and it also pays a 10% tax on the export value of copper products and associated byproducts according to Law 13,136.

>Well they do, in real life.
No, no they don't. If you keep repeating something it doesn't make it true.

1+1 does not equal 3

Chile didn't turn into a free market whatsoever.

>So... how does that disprove what I fucking said?
Because he wasn't responsible for his polices? He just gave him economic advice?

>>5764
>Of coarse a free market fascist
YOU'RE the fucking fascist here. Democracy eventually turns into fascism, look at USA today or europe.

>I suposed rule by corporate oligarchs is better?
I support voluntary human interaction where nobody else can use violence against another person. You support mass violence.

>Free markets have no moral imperative to do this
This has nothing at all to do with morals or "FEEELINGS" you idiot. It's economics.
Businesses are forced by the market to raise wages and lower prices or they will go out of business.

>the workforces will be nothing less than slaves barely able to afford back the same goods they create.
Yeah in socialist or statist shitholes perhaps.

>>5574
>Okay? The far right chilean bourgeoisie, supported by USA, overthrew a democratic government, and did authoritarian anti-libertarian things.

Fixed it for you.

Your capitalism doesn't empower people against the governments, through freedom. Instead, it makes freedom and power measurable in money, and if some rich businessman don't like how the country is, they can overthrow the democracy easily.

you should see the "wonders" that capitalism has done on latin american education and health.
>"but we have more money!"

>>5709
The entire public will work in democratic workplaces instead of privately owned ones, decisions will be made democratically via workers councils including things like hiring and firing leadership, business decisions etc.
Watch this if you want to get an idea of how a socialist economy would work in action on a large scale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-obHJfTaQvw

>>5714
I don't have a theory, all I have is a microeconomics class under my belt and it doesn't fit here. Why don't you tell me what comparative advantage has to do with all this? Looks just like a firm trying to lower opportunity cost, but bigger. Anything wrong with that?

>not applying the scientific method to society
>not distributing resources according to objective physical value
>Not using technical understanding to it's fullest to create an access abundance

>>5796
>The nationalised Chilean mines were [...] export value of copper products and associated byproducts according to Law 13,136.
You failed to mention that they were nationalised under Allende, not Pinochet. So no, he did not nationalise the mines. In addition, private companies were allowed to explore and develop new mines. So a lot of mines were also private.

I'm done here. This is fucking retarded.

t-thank you capitalism for saving us from the evil soviet union

>>2817
>caring about gookshits who messed with us
>hating Pinochet

>>5705
>Socialism is an economic system
Creationists claim they're doing science, it doesn't mean they are.

The vast majority of people think socialism and socialist economics are garbage, it doesn't follow logic and when tried in the real world it has only destroyed.

This board is not for you, please leave and stay angry.

>Fox News
HAHAHAHHA OH GOD YOU FUCKING SAID IT
HOLY SHIT

You people are caricatures of yourself, so fucking typical, nobody needs to mock you, you do it yourself, next you're going to call us racist right?

>or at church
Most libertarians are atheists.

>>5878

>>3431
>/biz/ is a capitalist board
It is, deal with it Commie.

>>1590
:D

>>5878
>Population-of-Latvia
Good, nobody wants to live in a poverty ridden ex soviet union country.

That's why they all moved to capitalist countries with actual high levels of production.

>>5864
>The entire public will work in democratic workplaces instead of privately owned ones,
Dumbest fucking idea ever. You're going to force this on the people violently, you're going to take away people's small businesses and their dreams.

>decisions will be made democratically via workers councils
Mob rule is a terrible way to run anything, especially a company. People who make important decisions about things do so because they're actually good at it. The janitor shouldn't get to decide what a company fucking produces. Holy shit would that ever be horrible.

This entire thing is impossible also due to the economic calculation problem.

what you're advocating for is LESS PRODUCTION.

This is what will happen. People would be POORER because of this.

>>5925
>GDP is the measure of a country's success
Want to know how I know you're American?

>>5840
>chilean bourgeoisie
OH GOD THESE CULTISTS
I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING

>>5974
Its used to compare levels of consumption dipshit.

If your share of world consumption shrinks by 66% over 2 decades, I'd say you're doing it wrong.

>>5877
>You failed to mention that they were nationalised under Allende, not Pinochet
Yes and the fact pinochet didn't privatize them was my fucking point in the first place he kept mostly everything regulated and nationalized except for a few instances.

Quit defending your slave masters you cocksucker

>>5883
>objective physical value
People are actually dumb enough to think things have objective value lol

Yeah no sorry, I'll keep my free choice, you can keep your authoritarianism and pseudoscience.

>>6028
>he kept mostly everything regulated and nationalized except for a few instances.
but he fucking didn't

>>6006
yeah because consuming = good and less consuming = bad

To the socialist shitposter in this thread.

This board is not for you. Your policies would destroy everything people on this board hold dear.

Bitcoin and dogecoin are here to stay no matter how much it makes your authoritarian 12 year old butt ache

>>6049
Yes

Savings is also good

But the Soviets didn't save at all.

>>5828
>YOU'RE the fucking fascist here. Democracy eventually turns into fascism, look at USA today or europe.
USA and Europe are controlled by corporate business and interest and the MIC, the public sector is the biggest problem these governments have it is completely toxic to democratic process.
>I support voluntary human interaction where nobody else can use violence against another person. You support mass violence
Good luck getting businesses to follow that, idealism at its finest.
>This has nothing at all to do with morals or "FEEELINGS" you idiot. It's economics.
Businesses are forced by the market to raise wages and lower prices or they will go out of business.
No they aren't if they can flood the market with cheap low quality goods and gain control of most of the market till workers have no choice but Exploitative Corp. A or Exploitative Corp. B or starving on the street.Freedom to be a wage slave isn't freedom of anything, you have freedom be a slave or starve this is the only future free market economies offer the majority.
>Yeah in socialist or statist shitholes perhaps.
I don't see any "socialist" shitholes today which do this but plenty of capitalist ones.

>>6028
If you need a metal that conducts electricity one will do it better than the other
So in that instance one is objectively worth more than the other

>>4897
>I was hoping people were getting tired enough of libertarianism
Fuck off you Conservative shithead we're just getting started.

>>6049
>reading is for socialists
Socialists are the only ones who burned books.
Holy fuck you're such a bootlicking sycophant with no mind of his own, why don't you just get a helium tank and end it all already.

see the image:
>>6054

>>5991
Sorry, but i durely didn't have the millions to pay the catholic schools where the Angelinni, PIñera, Lukzic, Frei, Chadwick, and many others studied

either you are a troll, an imbecile, or you are just projecting. Have a good day tomorrow at school, anon, and keep writing with capslock activated, that will surely make your argument more valid

>>6064
>USA
>Saving

The only thing you save largely is your debt with china-

>>6080
*private sector

>>6131
Could you at least try

>>5492
>>IF YOU DIDN'T GET FORCE FED KEYNESIANISM AND GENDER STUDIES IN A STATE RUN/PROPPED UP UNIVERSITY THEN YOU'RE NOT AN ECONOMIST
>I'm such a free thinker I get all my knowledge of economics from Wikipedia and shady libertarian organizations instead studying actual academic research.
You aren't going to be able to convince anyone that you're right--not because they're too stubborn or intellectually deficient, but because you're clearly parroting whatever rubbish you've learned from the Internet and have no credibility.
This wouldn't be a problem if you didn't behave like you actually knew what you were talking about.

>>6080
>USA and Europe are controlled by corporate business and interest and the MIC,
Yes. Fascism. That's what I was saying.

>democratic process.
FUCK the democratic process. We don't need to be controlled by the majority. We need freedom, eat shit and die.

>Good luck getting businesses to follow that
They would be forced to if it was the law you fucking moron.

>No they aren't
Yes, yes they are, for example during the gilded age prices fell while wages rose dramatically. Long long before unions got any power.

>if they can flood the market with cheap low quality goods
Yes, thanks for proving my point, they LOWER PRICES for consumers.

>and gain control of most of the market till workers have no choice but Exploitative Corp. A or Exploitative Corp. B or starving on the street.
The only reason corporations are that huge is because the government gives them this power. We want to take away that power.

>Freedom to be a wage slave
Yes, how dare those assholes raise our living standards.

>this is the only future free market economies
Then why do countries with mostly free markets have the highest fucking wages? Why can you never explain this

>I don't see any "socialist" shitholes today
Maybe not socialist(the actual socialist ones are fucking horrible, you should go live there) but heavily statist ones yes.

>>5883
>objective physical value
>scientific method
>technical understanding to it's fullest

Tell me you aren't serious.

>Prosvjednici u BiH traže ostavke, ukidanje "ekonomskog modela koji pogoduje samo bogatima"
>post-soviet countries starting to have second thoughts
>China's rise to the top
>left gaining support in the West
i'm sorry but capitalism is already dying

rip in peace

>>6090
>Sorry, but i durely didn't have the millions to pay the catholic schools where the Angelinni, PIñera, Lukzic, Frei, Chadwick, and many others studied
I was making fun of the fact you used the term bourgeoisie in the first place.

What are you 12 years old?

>>6099
Better for who and for what? You don't define these things.

>economics
>a science
I seriously fucking hope any of you dumb shits don't actually believe this.

>>6176
>Wikipedia
Yeah no.

We actually read books.
Enjoy your university circle jerk with your gender studies degree, lol you actually got into debt slavery for it, that's really hilarious.

>actual academic research.
>STUDY WHAT THE MAFIA WHO CONTROLS ALL THE SCHOOLS TELLS YOU, OBEY THE STATE

This is hilarious. You're not even able to refute any of my original arguments.

I'm so fucking happy moot gave us a board purely for making fun of leftists and their economic illiteracy.

Thanks moot, you're my favorite libertarian.

>>6210
>>China's rise to the top
Fuelled by moving away from the left

Why are you commies so fucking stupid?

>>6226
i don't use it normally on my native language (spanish), but i didn't know a similar word for the term in english.

I agree a bit with you, i find the term a little childish too. As childish as supporters of Pinochet, who call everyone who wants decent education and health "those fucking commies, they want everything for free".

>>5752
there must be a business subreddit, go right there, and never come back

>>6351
>, who call everyone who wants decent education and health
Not they don't you retard.

They want the state to violently monopolized these industries when they would be much much cheaper/work much better if they were provided voluntary in a free market.

Redpill yourself, LOOK HOW CHEAP HEALTHCARE USED TO BE in the united states before the government took it over.

Mutual aid societies worked.

>>6260
>hurr women's studies herf derf
Oh my god, you've actually become a caricature from one of those Internet comics.
Have you ever set foot in a university? What's next? Vaccines cause autism? 9/11 was an inside job?

fucking lel

>>6312
they're still completely in line what marx predicted, they just went backwards a bit

instead of trying to jump straight from an agrarian society to a socialist society they decided to be a bit capitalist first to industrialize themselves and gain a foothold

soon they'll turn full blown commies again

>>6405
>soon they'll turn full blown commies again

>>6088
Pinochet was famous for raiding homes and burning "suspicious" books. He made his practices public, so the people themselves would burn their books out of fear of being killed

Your generalizations hurt a lot.

>>6191
>Yes. Fascism. That's what I was saying.
You only oppose fascism in the form of a state, if its dolled up as a corporation indistinguishable from state itself its a-ok apparently.
>FUCK the democratic process. We don't need to be controlled by the majority. We need freedom, eat shit and die.
No one is "free" you moron! Humanity has always depended on one another or we would have never evolved to the point we know exist in today, your fairy tale idea of a self existing human being totally free from responsibility of those around them is complete nonsense and fantasy.
>They would be forced to if it was the law you fucking moron.
They would work hard to get those laws changed, and most Libertarians don't want any restrictive laws on business so I don't even see your point.
>Yes, how dare those assholes raise our living standards.
Me and other workers would prefer to do that ourselves rather than slave in your corporation when we could make 10x the money and have control over our own workplace.
>Then why do countries with mostly free markets have the highest fucking wages? Why can you never explain this
Which countries would these be exactly? The united States? Russia?
>Maybe not socialist(the actual socialist ones are fucking horrible, you should go live there) but heavily statist ones yes.
I see some authoritarian social democracies and downright monarchist style dictatorship but no socialist countries so i don't know what you're on about.

>>6438
No, no, no, you just don't understand. Pinochet WAS a socialist.

Every bad person = socialist/leftist/"statist".

The world is a lot simpler when you look at it this way.

>>6417
>Oh my god, you've actually become a caricature from one of those Internet comics.
What internet comics, nobody knows what you're talking about.

Please go back to SRS.

>Have you ever set foot in a university?
I have, I fucking hated it, I don't use any of my learning(or degree) in university in my current career and I make a lot more money.

The state shouldn't be involved in education at all. That's how we end up with parasitical socialists, keynesians, marxists and feminists teaching in universities.

>What's next? Vaccines cause autism? 9/11 was an inside job?
What are you even talking about? You've clearly run out of arguments. You really do think truth comes from authority, you're that much of a waste of a person.

>>6438
>Pinochet was famous for raiding homes and burning "suspicious" books
Good for him. All statist dictators do this.

What does that have to do with capitalism or libertarianism at all?
Why can't socialists just kill themselves?
>>6494
Obvious asspained samefag.

>>6390
>they would be much much cheaper/work much better if they were provided voluntary in a free market.

for 20 years the governments of my country believed what you're saying, and now Chile has the most expensive education in the ENTIRE WORLD. (and a very shitty education, if you compare to some other countries of the region)

>>6476
>You only oppose fascism in the form of a state, if its dolled up as a corporation indistinguishable from state itself its a-ok apparently.
Corporations are liability shields created by the government

>>6494
>The world is a lot simpler when you look at it this way.
And a lot more objectively correct.
Stay mad Commmie scum.

>>6476
>You only oppose fascism in the form of a state
All fascism is by definition part of a state.

>if its dolled up as a corporation indistinguishable from state
I don't believe corporations should exist at all. Also a business or corporation cannot use violence against you, you have to interact with them voluntarily. You're basically a sociopath that wants to force others to do what you want.

>Humanity has always depended on one another or we would have never evolved to the point we know exist in today,
NO FUCKING SHIT.
That's why I'm saying we should be able to trade and interact with each other peacefully.

> your fairy tale idea of a self existing human being totally free from responsibility of those around them
Not even what I'm talking about you faggot, I'm saying we should be free from violence you want to impose on us.

>They would work hard to get those laws changed,
They wouldn't be able to, there would be no incentive to do this either

>and most Libertarians don't want any restrictive laws on business
Except you know, the market itself, which forces them to compete or go out of business/get sued/whatever.

>Me and other workers would prefer to do that ourselves
Good, go out and do it. Oh wait you can't because worker owned firms are not as productive as capitalist firms.

>when we could make 10x the money
BUT YOU FUCKING WOULDN'T WHICH IS MY POINT YOU IDIOT
Your company wouldn't be as productive, if you tried to vote yourself higher wages your company would lose in the marketplace.

If every company did this prices would simply go up because we still have the same fucking amount of resources everyone is consuming. Products have to be produced before they can be consumed you economically retarded plebian.

>Which countries would these be exactly?
Singapore, Hong Kong, Australlia.
See for yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom

>>6499
>You really do think truth comes from authority, you're that much of a waste of a person.
Everyone knows that truth comes from people I personally agree with, not from experts in the field like those in a university.

:)

>>6499
>What internet comics, nobody knows what you're talking about.
You must have been on 4chan very long if "Internet comics" isn't familiar to you. That would certainly explain a lot.
Also, it's telling that you think SRS is legit and not just a bunch of trolls. For one, it demonstrates that you are a impressionable moron.

>I don't use any of my learning(or degree) in university in my current career and I make a lot more money
I don't believe you even have a job, let alone make a lot of money. What did you study that you didn't learn a single useful thing from?

>The state shouldn't be involved in education at all. That's how we end up with parasitical socialists, keynesians, marxists and feminists teaching in universities.
Judging by our posts, the state isn't doing enough to prevent people from being retards.

>>6519
>crying samefag
You're the butthurt one here. I know it's hard to believe, but there is more than one person who disagrees with you. And no, I'm not a socialist/communist/"statist".

>>6630
>Everyone knows that truth comes from people I personally agree with
No lol, you think everything the state or your professors tells you is "official". You never bother to look into these things yourself.

The great depression was the most socialist time in american history. Countless regulations which basically destroyed most market activity. That's why it happened, it wasn't some natural thing that just occurred.

>>6541
No they're the ultimate end goal of capitalism, they destroy the competition by absorbing it and creating a monopoly. The whole point of competition is to win, corporations have "won" capitalism essentially by becoming the only choice and controlling as much of the market as possible.

>>6685
>No they're the ultimate end goal of capitalism,
The end goal of capitalism is achieved by its existence.

Spontaneous order and freedom.

>>6494

Pinochet:
>Supported by Chilean right wing businessman, and the CIA
>changed Chile to a capitalist state, through economics students from the School of Chicago
>Constitution made by a group of capitalist thinkers, leaded by Jaime Guzman, follower of Friedman, and the principle of subsidiarity.

>Pinochet WAS a socialist
what? well, i guess the world is a lot simpler when you look at it that way


>>6519
It's true, most dictators do this. Problem was that this dictator was a capitalist (see above)

>>6654
>You must have been on 4chan very long if "Internet comics" isn't familiar to you.
I'm talking about specific internet comics you brain dead retard. Don't try to pull that shit.

>Also, it's telling that you think SRS is legit
They(you) repeatedly say they raid different websites like /v/ and /pol/.

>I don't believe you even have a job
Lol, I'm a libertarian, of course I have a job and succeed economically. I guarantee you're a socialist bum on welfare living with your parents.

>What did you study that you didn't learn a single useful thing from?
Funny enough, economics.
Now I do I.T.

>Judging by our posts, the state isn't doing enough to prevent people from being retards.
Aww reddit, that's the most cleverest post I've seen in a long time.
*tips fedora*

:^)

>>6670
>You never bother to look into these things yourself.
Reading Wikipedia and shady libertarian forums that blame the gubmint for everything doesn't count as looking into things.

>>6685
>No they're the ultimate end goal of capitalism, they destroy the competition by absorbing it and creating a monopoly
Yes, the government does that.

We libertarians want to stop this.

Can you even read?

>The whole point of competition is to win, corporations have "won"
I guess you're talking about monopolies now. No monopoly in history exists without government help. Monopolies are impossible in a free market.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO8ZU7TeKPw

>Wasting your time on socialists

>>6710
>>changed Chile to a capitalist state,
>if I keep repeating it, people will think it's true

Can't I just believe in a relatively free market while still believing in the creation of a functioning state labor force, institutions of common ownership and a welfare system?

>>6760
No.

>>6670
Again, you have clearly never attended university. Every ECON 101 class has at least one foaming-at-the-mouth free marketard like yourself.

You should go some time, you might make friends and possibly even learn something.

>>6777

>Universities/Leftist Brainwashing Institutions have at least one person with common sense getting mad about their Leftist/Socialist brainwashing

Who'd have thunk it?

>>6760
>Can't I believe in not plundering and plundering simultaneously

No.

>>6710
>>changed Chile to a capitalist state, through economics students from the School of Chicago
Cry all you want, but the tiny about of liberalization that occured in that country turned it into one of the richest countries in south america and poverty has mostly been alleviated.

>Problem was that this dictator was a capitalist (see above)
A dictator is by definition not capitalist and does not support the free market, every single law he makes by definition is anti-free market.

You have no argument.

>>6704
All competitions come to an end, capitalism is no different, the final chapter will be once parasitic multi-national corporations have finally run out fresh pastures to suck dry and the inevitable collapse brought on by that along with the rapid mechanization of the workplace.

>>6758
>Supported by Chilean right wing businessman, and the CIA
>changed Chile to a capitalist state, through economics students from the School of Chicago
>Constitution made by a group of capitalist thinkers, leaded by Jaime Guzman, follower of Friedman, and the principle of subsidiarity.

I suggest you to work on your reading comprehension. Also, i would like to know how i'm wrong.

If Pinochet supporters (right wing fanatics) here on Chile could read this thread, they would flip their shit

>>6803
>Leftist Brainwashing Institutions
You sound like you're actually borderline psychotic.

Have you talked to anyone about your paranoia?

>>6726
>Reading Wikipedia and shady libertarian forums
No, we read books.

You actually get yourselves in debt slavery to sit in a classroom and be forcefed what to think by your leftist professor.

You're actually that much of a waste of a person.

>>6798
>>6772

Seems to work fairly well for America.

Why do you hate the public libraries?

>>6852
Andrew Carnegie created the New York Public Library and Library system out of good will.

>>6814
>Also, i would like to know how i'm wrong.
You're wrong because you called an extremely regulated country with socialized money(central bank) and tons of nationalized industry "capitalist" because they liberalized their markets a tiny bit.

It's like when msnbc called detroit libertarian.

No wonder nobody takes you people seriously.

>>6834
You read books by people that you agree with.

Try challenging your retarded worldview for once.

>>6849

>He denies the inherent bias in modern day universities

Wow. You may as well believe in Santa if you're that naive. Read God and Man at Yale by William F. Buckley Jr.

>But it has the word 'gawd' in the title!

Set your fedora to one side for once; this has been an ongoing process for decades.

>>6823
>the final chapter will be once parasitic multi-national corporations have finally run out fresh pastures to suck dry


Lol oh god socialists actually think capitalism will somehow end and people will just decide they don't want to be free anymore. This is hilarious.

>>6886
>You read books by people that you agree with.
You mean DISagree with?
I do. I used to be a left-anarchist.

I've changed my views so many fucking times you have no idea.

>>6720
>I'm talking about specific internet comics you brain dead retard. Don't try to pull that shit.
All of the fucking Internet comics on this site have the same gestalt. I'll just chalk this one up to a misunderstanding.

>They(you) repeatedly say they raid different websites like /v/ and /pol/.
If they actually have done this, it's because they're fucking trolls and know the perpetually angry children on /v/ and /pol/ are easy targets.

>I guarantee you're a socialist bum on welfare living with your parents.
Guarantee again.

>Funny enough, economics.
How far did you get with your economics course? Did you graduate?

>le go back to le reddit xD
Some parts of Reddit are actually decent (not politics/religion/economics obvious; those subjects are shit everywhere). The fact that you take these website rivalries seriously enough to think accusing people of browsing reddit actually has any impact just further underlines what an immature retard you are.

>>6777
>Every ECON 101 class has at least one foaming-at-the-mouth free marketard like yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School
>heterodox
>HETERODOX

Every major university spews keynesianism and sometimes socialism. There's very few free people people in universities.
Stop pretending you are being oppressed, you people are the status quo.

Also:
>a socialist saying anyone else is foaming at the mouth
LOL

Why are you even on this board? Go away lefttard.

>>6959

>Some parts of Reddit are actually decent

I'm a communist because I've made insane amounts of money investing in equities without doing any work. Capitalism is increasingly arbitrary, detached from merit and otherwise untenable.

>>7003

>Complaining about getting life easy
>Wanting life to be shit as it invariably is under Socialism/Communism

Are you some sort of masochist?

>>6960
>Why are you even on this board? Go away lefttard.
I hope this new board doesn't go this way… Knee-jerk conservatism makes horrible investors…

>>6959
>All of the fucking Internet comics on this site have the same gestalt. I'll just chalk this one up to a misunderstanding.
You said internet comments after you greentexted about "womens studies".

>and know the perpetually angry children on /v/ and /pol/ are easy targets.
Lol irony is a radical feminst calling anyone else angry. You've been outed SRS.
Please please kill youself.
Did someone trigger you?

>Guarantee again.
Okay

>How far did you get with your economics course? Did you graduate?
Yes, actually I did.

>Some parts of Reddit are actually decent
Yes, yes you're from there. You've already outed yourself.

Reddit is a fucking shithole, every last bit of it.

>reddit actually has any impact
You and facebook basically made le epik maymays mainstream.

>>6873

I'd prefer the maintenance and proper funding of public facilities to be reasonably stipulated within a code of law rather than just privy to the "good will" of one guy who may or may not feel like doing it one day.

Also, I happen to like getting financial aid from the government so I can go to school and make something of myself.

>>5700
>commies using starvation and poverty for arguments against capitalism and for socialism

Oh, the irony.

>>7056
>Also, I happen to like getting financial aid from the government so I can go to school and make something of myself.
No, you shithead, if you can't afford it you don't "deserve" it just because you really want it.

>>7046
>Are you some sort of masochist?
All socialists are masochists.

They all have psychological problems and daddy issues.

They really do hate themselves and want to be enslaved.

>>6995
I used to browse 4chan exclusively, but then I needed to find an accessible community that actually had knowledgeable people discussing certain subjects (such as certain programming languages). If you haven't ended up on reddit for any subject even once, it might be because you actually don't have any interests or do anything productive.

>>7073
>I hope this new board doesn't go this way
You're damn fucking right it will.

About fucking time too.

>>6959
>reddit
>good

>>6917
>free
Say it enough and and tap your feet together and maybe someday it'll come true just like your magical free market.

Peace out capitalist pigs!

>>6814
>pushed private institutions of heathcare and welfare
>Pushed through force a constitution than enforced the principle of subsidiarity and right of property as an essential one.

anon, what if the dictator enforces free market, and the right to property as a more important thing than physical freedom?

>>6809
Chile
>Still a 3rd world country, proud of entering the OCDE, despite having the worst education of all the countries that conform that entity.
>The country where, after 40 years of having a free market for education, has the most expensive education in the world
>most unequal life standards between the richer 10% and the poorer 10%
>Not even begin talking about how the government surrenders its ass to USA and the UK, for royalties on copper extraction.

please, add those facts to your image.

>>6995
You're using the wrong image there.

>>7056

>Socialist.jpg

Damn, socialists got pretty fucking TOLD in this thread.

>>7140

>Maybe if I say it enough, it'll make it true

>>7139

More like

>American

>>7176
>projecting this hard after he realized his entire ideology is bullshit

Damn authoritarians, no need to cry about it.

>>7140
Nobody got told, it's just furious libertards declaring victory over and over. I really wonder if you guys are actual shills or just this passionate about winning argument on the Internet (as you obviously never win in real life).

>>7141
>what if the dictator enforces free market
That is by definition impossible.

>>Still a 3rd world country, proud of entering the OCDE, despite having the worst education of all the countries that conform that entity.
Chile has some of the highest living standards for all citizens in all of SA.

>>The country where, after 40 years of having a free market for education
No they fucking don't you retard. What in the fuck, you're just lying now, there's no free market education there.

>>most unequal life standards between the richer 10% and the poorer 10%
Meaningless statistics, seriously. Congo has more income equality than almost every other nation, why don't you go there?

>please, add those facts to your image.
The facts about how awesome chile is now thanks to pinochet sure make you mad, you poverty loving lefttard.

>>7140
>legions of capitalist butthurt
>winning
Well if you say so

>>7124
>Peace out capitalist pigs!
EVIL CAPITALIST PIGS DON'T WANT TO USE VIOLENCE AGAINST PEACEFUL PEOPLE

FUCKING ASSHOLES

I HATE HAVING EVERYONE IN MY SOCIETY HAVE HIGH LIVING STANDARDS AND FREE CHOICE, FUCK THAT

Lel

>>7250
>I'M WINNING THIS ARGUMENT
Lol quite typical.

After being unable to refute anything we said, the economic illiterate continues to shitpost.

Socialists, seriously why are you fucking here?

Moot specifically said this board is not for you, it's for finance and business.

If you want to discuss politics go to fucking /pol/ or revleft or whatever shithole you came out of.

This board is about markets and capitalism.

This thread:

>butthurt socialist keeps trying to pretend pinochet was "libertarian" and "free market" so they can go "hey look capitalism is EVIL, fucking libertarians love pinochet"
>libertarians call him out for his retarded deceptive tactics
>whines and claims victory

Welp.

>>7308
>This board is about markets
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism
top lellington

>>7241
>That is by definition impossible.
I suggest you to read chilean history, 1973 - 1989, and even today

>Chile has some of the highest living standards for all citizens in all of SA.
"I'll just evade what he said! and respond with something totally different!"

>there's no free market education there.
easy as fuck to put up schools, pre-universitaries, technical colleges and universities for profit. With little to no regulation, thanks to investors bribing the National council of acreditation for superior education institutions.

>Meaningless statistics, seriously. Congo has more income equality than almost every other nation, why don't you go there?
a capitalist, talking about meaningless statistics? the average income of any country would be a meaningless statistic, then. Who knew.

>you poverty loving lefttard.
hahahahahahahahah, this thread really is /pol/ tier

>>7385
>market socialism
>a thing that 99% of socialists are actually against
>a thing that is mostly irrelevant

TOP FUCKING KEK

>>7308
The board is for discussion of economics, which does in fact encompass socialism and communism, even though you may disagree with those systems. Even in a communist system there is a need for book keeping. Arguably, a state-run economy has even more to do with finance, since the state needs to coordinate all resources and labor.

I swear, there needs to be a test where you can only post if you are capable of reading an argument you disagree with and calmly explain it back without embellishing it or calling the author a retard.

>>7419
>"Yeah, because socialists and comunists only steal money and divide it randomly! USA! USA!"

>>7416
>I suggest you to read chilean history, 1973 - 1989, and even today
I did.
A dictator cannot "force" a free market. Free markets are by definition voluntary. A dictator is by definition force.

Problem?

>"I'll just evade what he said!
I'm not, you're just spewing small irrelevant things. The big picture is that the Chilean people benefited greatly from liberalizing their markets somewhat

>With little to no regulation
I KNOW RIGHT. How DARE people have the right to choose which school to go to. How DARE people not be slaves to the statist system and prussian model and learn to obey the state's will.
My fuck are you a tool.

>thanks to investors bribing the National council of acreditation
Lol free market at work amirite?

>the average income of any country would be a meaningless statistic, then.
No, that's a meaningful statistic.

Income inequality is a meaningless one. Just because someone is rich it doesn't mean you're poor because he's rich.
My congo example is a perfect one. They've got some of the lowest income inequality in the world.
How mad does this make you?

>this thread really is /pol/ tier
Yes, thanks to you. Learn to spell and use proper punctuation next time.

>>7419
>LOL BUTTHURT
How ironic :)

>>7489
>>"Yeah, because socialists and comunists only steal money and divide it randomly!
That has nothing to do with what I said.

Almost every socialist disagrees with "market socialism" in fact market socialists are very rare and irrelevant.

>>7487
>which does in fact encompass socialism and communism
We've been through this.. Everyone already called you an idiot for saying this.

This ISN'T a politics board.

This is for discussion of actual economics and finance. Keynesians, Austrians, Chicago etc.

Socialists don't want finance to even exist. They don't even want a stock market.
Of course they(you) are not welcome here.

Please leave before you shit up threads further.

>Even in a communist system there is a need for book keeping.
That's not economics.

>>7565
>still can't get over the fact he will never be able to refute anything libertarians say

:^)

>>4345

> far right

Can you prove he was anarcho-capitalist or czarist?

protip: you can't

>>5584
> MUH 12 gorillion... I mean 18 gorillion

Mods can you ban commies plz?

>>7487
Why would you want to post on a board where everyone hates and disagrees with you?

Why don't you stop being a douchebag and go somewhere else with your own kind?

Please get off my board.

>>6710

> mfw Chile is better off than Argentina

Progressives hate human progress

also, you dont "change" things into capitalism

Capitalism is the default state of mankind

>>7738
>Mods can you ban commies plz?
Pretty sure they will avoid this board.

But the ones that do will get redpilled hard.

>>7764
So much for that value of freedom and liberty you guys are always talking about, but its not like you actually believed in that to begin with its just empty rhetoric.

>>7788
>Capitalism is the default state of mankind
This.

Even before the first states, human beings had property, courts and judges.

>>7818
>So much for that value of freedom and liberty you guys are always talking about
What are you talking about?

Freedom means the freedom to exclude.

If I don't want you in my house or place of business it's my right to make you leave.

Also grow the fuck up you child.

>>7636
Let's look at the first sentence of the Economics article on Wikipedia:
>Economics is the social science that studies how rational individuals, groups, and organizations (called economic actors, players, or agents), manage scarce resources, which have alternative uses, to achieve desirable ends.
These are issues addressed by Marxism etc. Thus they fall under the umbrella of economics.

>This ISN'T a politics board.
Please explain that to the libertarians and anarco-*ists too. I would be glad if all of these topics were banned from the board.

>>7764
>m-muh board
I'm not even a socialist you spaz. I just hate you autistic libertarian assholes polluting every discussion relating to economics or even money on the god damn Internet. It's not even that I disagree with you (I do), but you guys are so fucking obnoxious it lowers the quality of discussion and turns the place into an anti-intellectual cesspit. Don't even try to deny it; the evidence is right here.

>>7820

> mfw there was no need for "Capitalist Manifesto"
> mfw there was no need for "Capitalist Revolution"
> mfw there was no need for "Capitalist Party"

>>7858
>I just hate you autistic libertarian assholes polluting every discussion relating to economics or even money on the god damn Internet

You know the vast majority of economists are libertarian right?

>>7857
>Freedom means the freedom to exclude.
Which is impossible on an Anonymous imageboard fuckwit but continue to bitch to your hearts content

>>7858
>These are issues addressed by Marxism etc.

Yes and we've been through this.
Creation scientists claim they're doing science. So do scientologists. The vast majority of people this board caters to(stock traders, cryto currency bros, economists) think socialism is beyond retarded, on top of that socialism will destroy what they love doing(and the purpose of this board in the first place). Of course they hate it.

>Please explain that to the libertarians and anarco-*ists too.
We're here because we're discussing economics and specific laws that allow the economy to exist.

>I would be glad if all of these topics were banned from the board.
You'd be glad if the FINANCE and ECONOMICS board banned libertarianism and only allowed socialism and marxism.
HAHAHAHHAH HOLY SHIT

>>7858
>I'm not even a socialist you spaz.
Guaranteed that this is a lie, you've been defending socialism this entire thread.

>but you guys are so fucking obnoxious
I can taste your anger.

>and turns the place into an anti-intellectual cesspit
Socialists have the world record in projection.

>>7545
"How DARE you have the state regulate if universities are really giving actual education, and not scamming students for a degree that is no required anywhere on the market, and then having no response from the university, because muh free market"

>A dictator cannot "force" a free market. Free markets are by definition voluntary. A dictator is by definition force.
please, put your definition aside, and think, if a government enforces the subsidiariety principle, puts the right of property in top of the right's chain of relevance, and crafts welfare and heathcare around private institutions, what is he enforcing?

average income as a statistic has less meaning in Chile exactly because of the income inequality. Chile has a average monthly wage of 1600 USD aprox (800.000 chilean pesos), but truth is, that because of inequality, there is a large amount of people living with less than half of the minimum wage of 400 USD aprox, hidden by the "average".

I could be a poorlover, but you must be a thieflover, because the niggers that rob you on the streets are moved by the same drive as great businessmen

>>7941
>Which is impossible on an Anonymous imageboard
No shit. We exclude on an anonymous image board by mocking you idiots every time you post, or simply ignoring you because what you talk about is completely irrelevant to economics and finance.

>>7858
>im a socialist that hates capitalism
>why won't you let me shitpost on your capitalism board

>>7994
>simply ignoring you because what you talk about is completely irrelevant to economics and finance.
Failing hard at that one so far.

>>7915
I'm not talking about professional economists, I'm talking about blowhards on the Internet that won't shut the fuck up.

>>7949
>Creation scientists
You might have a point if there was any substantial science supporting either side. As it stands economics can hardly be considered as a science on the level of biology.

>You'd be glad if the FINANCE and ECONOMICS board banned libertarianism and only allowed socialism and marxism.
HAHAHAHHAH HOLY SHIT
I suspect you're just being dense, but I meant that discussion of any political topic should be banned, not just capitalist ones, you dork. You could have spent a few seconds and thought about what I meant.

>>7975
I haven't defended socialism anywhere. You don't seem to understand that there is more than one person in this thread who disagrees with you. I find it unbelievable that you just assume anyone who isn't part of your circle-jerk is the most ridiculous caricature of your "enemy". Grow up.

>>7983
>"How DARE you have the state regulate if universities are really giving actual education
Except they don't do that. They're been forcing students to get worthless degrees with zero economic value.

You don't get to define what "actual" education is. If we had a free market in education students would learn skills that are actually economically and socially productive. Schools that fail students will also fail economically.

Seriously you bootlicking authoritarian, it's time for you to go.

>and not scamming students for a degree that is no required anywhere on the market,
Why would anyone do that? lol

>because muh free market"
OMG FREEDOM SO SCARY

>if a government enforces the subsidiariety principle, puts the right of property in top of the right's chain of relevance, and crafts welfare and heathcare around private institutions, what is he enforcing?
A corrupt statist system that destroys voluntary human interaction and replaces it with violence? By definition not a free market.

>average income as a statistic has less meaning in Chile exactly because of the income inequality.
Income inequality is irrelevant you idiot. The Congo has some of the least income inequality on the planet and it's a shithole.
Watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp6dolWDIvQ

>there is a large amount of people living with less than half of the minimum wage of 400 USD aprox, hidden by the "average".
and before that they were getting by on scraps.

Why are you so angry that the a more liberalized economy raised peoples living standards? If we actually had a free market with a deflationary currency, the people would far far better off than that.

I know communism is mediocre and I'm okay with that. I would rather have little things and be equal than others than have many things but less than others.
I'm not going to be rich since I don't have creativity or motivation.
So why should I support capitalism?

>>2233
This comic ignores that none of those regimes were themselves representative of the left as whole, and that many of the innocent depicted were socialists, social-democrats, anarchists etc. From an outsider's perspective it might look all the same, but the history of socialism is a history of constant schisms and constant purges, usually with the more moderate factions being suppressed by "professional" revolutionaries.

Furthermore, there is no common way to socialism to be accepted by all parties, and there has never been one. From day one Bakunin was accusing Marx of being a state capitalist and a closeted tyrant.

So that "communism" itself has never been achieved, much less practiced, isn't such a strange idea.

>>8043
>Failing hard at that one so far.
Yes, I'm mocking and insulting your stupidity instead.

>>8107
>You might have a point if there was any substantial science supporting either side.
This is a joke right? Socialism has been a complete failure everywhere it's been tried. Socialism, like creationism is not logical, it is filled with countless logical fallacies. That's why people think it's retarded and do not want you wastes of flesh to post here.

>You could have spent a few seconds and thought about what I meant.
First I assumed that's what you meant, then I realized you're a socialist and most likely were actually that retarded.

>I haven't defended socialism anywhere.
I guarantee you you were the same person claiming pinochet was "capitalist" and saying how horrible chile is now. You have the same posting style.

Even if you are a different person. Almost everyone doesn't want you people here on our BUSINESS, finance and econ board.

Also fuck off I've got to cook diner.

>>8172
>I'm not going to be rich since I don't have creativity or motivation.
>So why should I support capitalism?

Because in a free market prices come down so you can actually have the resources to have an awesome life and create whatever you want.

That's only with a deflationary currency though, not the corrupt inflationary corporate system we have today.

Imagine if you had a 2 day work week and an awesome house because everything including the materials needed to build shit was incredibly cheap?

>>8180
>So that "communism" itself has never been achieved, much less practiced, isn't such a strange idea.
Communism as an actual thing that can exist is extremely stupid.

They deny evolution, instincts and human nature and they actually believe they can socially engineer people however they want and it would just work.

Science tells us otherwise.

>>8211
Here you are, impotently telling people to "fuck off" as if you have any authority or any say on what's allowed on the board. I was prepared to completely avoid the subject and just stick with real business topics until one of you weenies started this thread. Look at the OP. You cunts instigated this shit, because you can't resist the opportunity for another Internet tirade again socialism.

>Socialism, like creationism is not logical, it is filled with countless logical fallacies.
Just to save everyone some time, why don't you define socialism (in neutral , academic terms) and point out where specifically it contradicts itself. If you can do that much, people might actually be receptive to what you have to say instead of provoking you for your over-the-top reactions.

>I guarantee you you were the same person claiming pinochet was "capitalist"
You guaranteed wrong. I know very little about the Pinochet's regime and have abstained from the discussion. Also, I don't give a shit.

>>8442
>I was prepared to completely avoid the subject and just stick with real business topics
How is socialism "real business topics"
You don't even want business to exist.

>You cunts instigated this shit,
Uh no.
Moot specifically said this is a board to talk about economics. This is what the thread is about.
You or whomever started shitposting and whining about pinochet which started this whole fiasco.

>because you can't resist the opportunity for another Internet tirade again socialism.
Everyone in the mainstream media and internet/reddit in general loves socialism or is at least comfortable with it.

>and point out where specifically it contradicts itself.
Okay, pic related for one.
The fact their economic policies have disastrous effects and they ignore the actual economic and logical reasons why they do not work. Price controls is an example.