/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>22848194
Good product but you might as well put your money into coins that actually do something

>>22848314
BAT is for swinging a few times a year for steady gains

What's a make it/suicide stack? I have about 40k of bat right now.

>>22848314
From a risk management standpoint this is one of the best projects out there. Never stays above .30 but never goes below .10. Just buy and sell forever.

>>22848409
10k suicide stack, 100k to make it unironically. Once this thing actually does pump based on the actual performance of the ad ecosystem there will be no looking back. If anons can't grasp the fundamentals of what it takes to actually build a business infrastructure like Brave is doing that's their problem. Of course the probability is non zero that may never happen but I'd wager that that chance is < 10%. There's a lot to unpack with this company but you better believe that it's one of the only viable one's in crypto. In 10 years time only a handful of coins/tokens will be around that exists today, and this will be one of them.

These Saturday threads used to have 200+ replies now they can’t break 10.

>>22849134
Well to be fair its a nice night out throughout all the US and BAT holders are known to be pretty social people so they're probably out celebrating a nice evening. Or they're all demoralized because the price has collapsed back to sub .25 levels. Plus the brapper guy hasn't shown up yet, he usually runs these threads but I think he said he was out on a business trip for the next week or two. I'm drinking brews and updating meme atlas tonight so I figured I'd take the responsibility this time. So far I'm doing a pretty poor job. Good thing I have to name 1500 memes to keep me busy while bumping the thread.

>>22848513
People are looking at this from too narrow of a time frame and writing it off just as things are starting to heat up. It took facebook and google nearly 7 years to hit their first billion. They are adding that about every 5-10 days now. This is a marathon, not a sprint, and anyone who has been in crypto long enough or any market knows that capital preservation is just as important as big gains. Just made $7k off a two day uniswap trade, but BAT is a safer long term option with potential for high rewards.

With that being said I think another crypto pullback could happen soon. Its going to flush a lot of tokens, and BAT will take a hit, but it will be a really good roken to accumulate. If we go through another bear market BAT will be the only token with actual performance metrics and news headlines. You are looking at a company that is about to break the holy grail of 25m users. This is not an easy feat, and profitability is forecasted to be hit in a few months. Its not a homerun yet, but this looks like something that could take off wildly given the right conditions. Consider that it has never pumped and monthly active users have doubled that of bitcoin. Brave/BAT is a sleeper that should be on everyones radar and accumulation list.

>>22849277
Based. Props for always supporting the BATlads. Your site is A+ too.

Going to be getting stoned and watching UFC, but I'll try to add to the discussion or dump some thots during.

>>22849723
Brap anon is that you? Good to have you back.

>>22849561
Solid points all around. For those of us with insight to how actual businesses are built this is really a no brainer. I hate to appeal to authority but if there's a guy who can do it its Eich. Not only that but you know that the VC's want to see a return on investment too so they're going to be pushing this ad tech in their circles as well. I mean as I'm typing this a Lenovo ad popped up and before that an Amazon one. These companies don't just throw money away on advertising, they expect a return as well. There's a strong implication that they're seeing one with Brave because they keep coming back to run more campaigns. We unironically have around 2 years max to accumulate, if not less. I'm pumped bros.

>>22848194
oof, this is a slow BAT thread...

> big yikes

Also not much for TA but this is some of the lowest volume I've ever seen on the charts. We're due for another dump most likely, which for some of us means a great entry point. Just a thought.

>>22850247
>ironic

>>22849926
Yeah we are definitely running out of time on this accumulation window i feel. Theres just too much momentum building. I have been keeping track of social and growth metrics for a few years and there has been a pretty big shift. The consensus used to be that brave was never going to catch on and that people like firefox and chrome too much. Now the narrative is switching to degoogling and firefox supporters are fed up. People are jumping on the brave bandwaggon and recommending it more and more. Its going to take a little bit of time but brave is now starting to gain a considerable marketshare. Brave has done a pretty good job of building a userbase of lead users that recommend the browser for free while brave just doubles down on product development. They really havent even begun to start marketing yet. The pieces are starting to move into place. Ad buy growth is also steadily increasing. Accumulate and watch this beast grow.

>>22850308
Solid points all around. Not to mention that while users are important, the companies that use the ad platform will be the biggest drivers of adoption of Brave in my opinion. The reason being is that it appears that google banner ads are all but deprecated in today's current ad environment, and companies are always looking for an edge to reach potential and repeat customers. With that in mind Brave offers a unique advantage in the ad world due to the fact that it leverages something new and exciting (crypto coupled with a browser) which allows companies to appear more innovative to your average Brave user, which in turn causes more engagement with the ad. The justification for this is the fact that we as users on here and plebbit actively recognize the companies that advertise on the browser because we see them as innovative and allies in the current ad war (not to be too dramatic), which leads to higher engagement rates. That's not even considering the microtransaction potential either. Either way there's a strong incentive for companies to use Brave for even a fraction of their ad campaign.

> hope this wall of text make's sense, I'm getting pretty tuned up on IPA's as we speak.

>>22848194
>roadmap
Lmao just realized they barely have one and it barely has any BAT related shit
Are they destined to fail? Because it seems like it but by the looks from it they'll just salvage it with Brave (because unlike BAT it's a 100% working product but that's not saying much) stripping all BAT features

Joined the Brave train about a week ago, got 3 bat now. gonna make it one day lads

This was when I first realized that I'm gonna make it.

>>22850684
Early adopters are going to be seriously rewarded if brave pans out. Back when google first launched advertisers were hesitant to allocate spend on digital ads. The people who picked it up early made serious money and then competition started driving CPC's so hight that facebook looked really appealing. Now facebook is starting to feel competition creep and advertisers are allocating their marketing budget for experimental things like twitter etc. Where brave really stands out is that they have a system that reduces fraud, theres low competition, and they reach an audience that is basically unreachable. Clickthrough rates are also absurd and the rate limiting seems like a good proposition. If you only see a few ads while browsing, those few ads stand out more even if there is no engagement so cpm models are also effective.

Brave really just needs to improve their ad suite and ramp up users and opt in rates. The best thing they could do near term is make a heavy international push because google doesnt have as big of an international presence and brave will be able to milk some low hanging ad revenue.

>>22850786
The most insane part of that ad is that they ran new tab page ads and push notifications at a point when state level targeting was not available. They basically said "we dont even care if states or cities that dont have locations see this"

Just wait until more major fast food chains start running campaigns for their specials. Literally billions of dollars worth of yearly ad spend for fast food specials and brave is a great way to reach people.

I had 1k but sold it and put it in uni. I feel like it’s still too early on this one. When I start seeing ads for businesses other than crypto and exchanges on my browser I’ll take another look.

>>22851096
Better look closer.. 1.5 Mil bat purchased by Brave this month.
https://brave.com/transparency/

>>22850786
>>22851065

lmao... there it is boys. How will linkies react when McDonalds runs its first ad?

>>22850963
Well said anon.

what are some ways that i can get a bunch of ads from this brave browser thing.
Also, is this browser actually the best browser? I found that my 2009macbook is running really smoothly once i started to use brave

>>22851096
Thats on you. Give your browser more categories to serve ads from. If all you're doing is going on /biz/ and exchanges, all you're going to get are exchange and crypto ads.

Make sure to diversify and go into your 7 day ads history and like/dislike certain ads and categories so you get more or less of them.

>>22849926
Glad to be back, though this thread is dead as fuck for Saturday, kek. How's the IPAs treating you?

>>22848194
BAT isn't needed as a token. It's a glorified tipping platform. IF it was needed it would be $5+ by now.

Look into Verasity bro. It's over.

>>22851270
>verasity
lol who tf keeps coming into the big brain BAT bro threads to shill VRA? you might as well go post in a random DeFi scam coin thread to convince them.

BAT seemingly doesn't have any big news on the horizon that has been alluded to recently aside from the things we already know.


Does anyone know how difficult it would have been to convince apple to allow Brave as a default browser? Is that a big deal?

>>22850963
The biggest question I have is what stops Google from just copying Brave?

What’s the best way to farm BAT with brave. I set it to give me 5 ads an hour but some hours I get literally 0 ads.

>>22851317
Right? Imagine trying to shill the most rational group of coin holders. Most BAT holders are long game and understand business. You wont convince a single person in here to buy verasity.

Also i think the default browser wasnt too difficult to pull off, i think they just had to go through a review process. Not big news, but it should help in driving up DAU's on IOS devices. No other major news that i can think of on the horizon other than maybe that they are still pushing on themis. Theres some research being done on github for POCs. Ultimately it seems that right now the main efforts are in getting the ad system rolled out and just trying to stay the course with user growth.

>>22851096
come one anon... Is this not a real ad?

>>22851270
Fucking kill yourself you piece of shit. Verasity is a no name piece of garbage shit. Why do you waste your time. Show me a picture Verasity’s leader, I fucking guarantee you his head is a little tiny fucking peanut compared to the monstrosity of a noggin Eich has.
Eichs head inspires greatness and instills fear in the weaklings like yourself. Tremble before its might you faggot cuck.

>>22851495
Maybe he isnt in a first world country.

>>22851236
Drinking generic southern tier 2x IPA I got from sheetz. I drink once in a while so when I get a 6 pack I try to get higher alcohol brews. But its pretty good, can't complain. Have some homemade mead from a friend I might dig into later, not trying to stay up too late though, I'd like to be productive tomorrow. But ya this thread is dead, what gives?

>>22851521
based eich head referencer

>>22851317
Reminds of the good old PRL days when we used to tussle with them. Those were some fun bants.

> *sip*

>>22851583
i can barely remember what prl was

>>22851344
This has been discussed before so I'm gonna have to dig it up. But basically if Google were to adopt a Brave style ad delivery system they would be explicitly implying that their own ad delivery system was broken and ineffective, which is obviously something they can't do. Essentially their a slave to their own (past) success which doesn't leave room for innovation in the future.

>>22851096
I've gotten Amazon ads.

>>22851635

> 2020
> I am forgotten
> t.bruno

>>22851641
Additionally their entire business model is based around user data. The appeal of Brave is privacy

>>22851641
>>22851678
I believe that is probably why google is doubling down trying to roll out their new web package standard which would ruin privacy and ad blockers for internet users. I forget the correct term for it, but i've heard theres ongoing discussion in the usa about it.

>>22851641
I remember reading Man Economy and State, and Rothbard pointed out that with was the curse of big corporations and attempted monopolies, the inefficiency, low speed in adapting to new consumer trends and technology, which allows startups to break in and continually steal market share (without governments providing heaps of crony regulations and laws to protect the big companies). Thanks anon

>>22851554
That mead sounds great. Not sure what's up with the threads today, maybe the few diehards all went to that Telegram I keep forgetting to join.

You lads have actual discussion covered so I'll take some thot requests from anyone if wanted.

>>22851727
Web bundles i believe is the term youre looking for. Im unsure how to feel about this. It is a massive mountain to move even for google, considering so many websites would have to adapt that as the standard.

>>22851863
I wanna see some ink

>>22851863
Maybe we'll just let this night chill. Before you go what's your thoughts on the current volume?

Ok, its time you fucking faggots listen. See this man right here. His name is Brendan Eich, he fucking INVENTED Javascript, you know, that language used in literally every website everywhere.

Take a moment and look at his head.
Look at how fucking BIG his head is.
It is literally 8x the size of the average human.
Compare the size of his head to somebody like Zuckerberg or Bezos, and Eichs fucking DWARFS theirs.
Just look at how fucking massive it is.
Now imagine the size of his fucking brain, how much it can compute.
Complex critical thinking problems are fucking DECIMATED by this mans brain.
It literally radiates power at idle it has so many wrinkles in it.


This man was briefly CEO of Firefox before he was wrongly and unjustly ousted.
His hatred for non privacy browsers runs very deep.
Now take this hatred and couple it with his disgustingly large brain, and what do you get?
Well you get the Brave browser of course.

This guy is fucking sick of seeing the average person taken advantage of and privacy raped day in and day out by massive conglomerates like Google and Facebook.

Enter BAT.

Bat is currently trading at 25 cents. Yes 25 fucking cents.
If you are not accumulating you will stay poor for fucking ever.

Anytime you go to question the BAT project, just go and take a look at a picture of Eichs head. Look at how big it is, and then try to fucking tell me that BAT is not one of, if not the most promising coins.

>>22851344
>why cant google go in and gut their entire infrastructure and give 70% of their revenue to the user and throttle their own ad supply with rate limiting?

Basically google is too far along and doing anything as drastic as brave is doing would rock their own boat a little too much. I would imagine its already too late for them to pivot at this point. Brave can roll out new pieces to their ad suite while google is hamstrung with executive meetings just trying to find a solution.

Rare picture of Eich in his "molting phase"
Much like a lobster whose shell has become too tight for its body, Eichs brain is constantly growing and expanding as it absorbs almost all information in the room. This puts excess pressure on Eichs skull.
Usually Eich reserves his molting for in private, but sometimes if you are lucky, you can catch him doing it in the wild.

>>22851890
yeah thats the term. not quite sure what it means, havent looked into it yet.

>>22851961
You got it.

>>22851963
Pretty stoned atm so I don't take my word for much but volume looks utterly microwaved shitfucked. Expecting a dip, but let me check the charts and I'll do some terrible TA.

>>22851961

>>22852370
Nice any inked punk/goth?

>>22852207
>>22852370
Do you have any buttholes? I really fucking love buttholes and eichs massive head.

>>22852436
I got it all, lad. This what you had in mind?

>>22852460
KEK. Based post but I wish I could post your buttholes here, lad. I'll see if I can find some thats sfw.

my brave browser generated me $22 in BAT yesterday. Is it hard to cash out?

>>22852823
That's the ticket

>>22851863
Is that Jennie?

>>22852875
No unless you are a retarded pajeet

>>22852460
Ah yes, sfw buttholes, a simple request

>brave did not track the ads I saw or add them to my estimated tokens for 10 days
ree. thank you for reading my blog.

>>22853426
It's def a challenge. Mainly just digging through tons of files for a glimpse of a fucking asshole.

>>22853426
>>22853719
Hnnnnng this is great. Im sorry anon i forgot it is a blue board. I just really cant get enough of a womans butthole. I love tongue fucking them, being suffocated by them, the works. You are a based BAT bro. When Eichs massive brain takes us into the promised land, there will be butthole galore for both you and I to indulge in fren.

Has ANYONE been able to fix their browser not showing any ads for months? I stopped caring and kept browsing without any ads after they suddenly stopped but now i realize i could have been farming bat all this time because i would never pay money for them. Support is useless this shitty browser cant even work as intended

>>22853807
>You are a based BAT bro
Back at you, lad. Your posts are pretty fucking epic.

>When Eichs massive brain takes us into the promised land, there will be butthole galore for both you and I to indulge in fren.
Based beyond reason

>>22853839
Where are you from. You just sound retarded. Back up your wallet if you have any BAT and then just reinstall. If you are a pajeet just fuck off because the browser is fine youre just not getting ads because nobody wants to advertise to you

remember when BAT threads could get 300 replies? its bizzare the biz browser of choice token doesn't get the same traction as literal scam coins or vaporeware big promise coins. same with the telegrams. i think even kleros has more people in their tg than bat.

>>22855024
Why telegram over discord? Is there a Brave discord?

So a few weeks ago, a Russian fellow made a thread about how Brave was shit and how easily you could scam it. More precisely, he said that you could hack (modify) the code so you could raise the ads limit per hour. He mentioned a client.json file. Have you guys tried this?

>>22855403
That was a LARP, lad. A damn good one, but it 100% doesn't work.

>>22855403
it was a beastmode larp full credit to the bloke behind it was absolutely amazing to watch.

it had more posts in that thread than these baturday threads get

>>22855340
i think people view discord for children and scammers, whereas TG seems more professional. not really sure why, just what ive picked up.

Heres an update for people on iOS from one of the Brave Team members from their subreddit.


"I can confirm this is definitely the case (RE: restrictions). We’re actively working to try and find a better experience with regards to rewards on iOS. The limited implementation (of rewards) we have wasn’t a problem until recently when a lot of other apps also reported problems with the App Store. Whether the guidelines were changed recently or they’re just more strictly enforced, it’s been a challenge to say the least"

Currently, Brave rewards are pretty shit and are not worth it if you live in the first world (these are the customers targeted by Brave partners, btw)
Do we agree on this one?
I made some rapid calculation, and I think that depending on the price of BAT, one ad nets something like €0.001-0.003
Unless you're awfully broke that's pretty much shit.

>>22855651
I don't believe the point of BAT is to ~make~ money, rather a few cents here and there to be able to tip creators and bypass website pay walls in future. I'm certainly not using brave now to make money. I don't mind amassing it in browser now because i believe in the future it might be worth a somewhat nice sum of money.

i usually make the saturday threads i didnt have time tonight sorry. nothing major happened this week anyways, ill see you guys next week

>>22855684
If going out of my way to watch ads generates very little money, it's a problem for everyone, creators need real money. If i generate $5 per month clicking ads, that $5 tip is negligible. Creators already can make bank through merchandising, youtube ads, etc

Additionally, I have some reservations regarding ads themselves/. I've already seen NordVPN hundred of times for example, so NordVPN should be able to see that. These analytics have to exist.
I briefly interned in a company doing search engine marketing ten years ago on google, and it was extremely easy back then to disable ads on people that had already been exposed to it; e.g. if the person saw or clicked the ad once but did show more interest (by buying or subscribing to something), you could disable the ads for this person based on its cookies and IP address

>>22855954
>I've already seen NordVPN hundred of times for example, so NordVPN should be able to see that.

Even with the potential failings of serving the same advert multiple times, the pro's must outweigh the cons for nord/chipotle and so on to continually renew their campaigns. Also brave is growing pretty strongly at present, so its in their interest to keep advertising to the latest adopters.

>>22855954
They have frequency caps. It sounds to me like nord just doesnt care and they want to be the only vpn provider people think of.

>>22856264
Its probably pretty cheap for them to pump out ads on brave compared to getting pewdiepie to shill it on his vids.

If felix got brave verified that would be a great move for user adoption and most likely would net him a lot of tips as a relatively early adopter and first mover.

I have 4m bat and I'm only saying this because it's 5 in the morning and I know nobody will see this. I'm going to make like 100 million dollars off this and I will fuck your mother. That is all thanks bye.

>>22856590
based narcissus

>>22856264
Same thing applies for proton mail, trezor ledger, etc
I click the ad then close the tab less than one second after, and I rewards off of this. Nice business model.

>>22856660
You don't have to open the advert. I get that people on reddit think this, but biz?

>>22856660
>>22856707
This guy's a fucking retard he doesn't even know that you don't need to click the ads. It's actually amazing to me how many people still don't understand this.

>>22856742
Biz lets me down so hard sometimes. I forget there is legit retards here. I always think we are on the good, pointy end of the bellcurve.

>>22856777
checked. triple 7's on people being retarded sounds about right

test

>>22856777
>>22856742
ah, good, so basically BAT tokens are distributed to Brave users for no reason, other than letting some shitty pop ups appear in the bottom right of the screen? Promising token you've got there, mates. Creators certainly can't wait to cash these in, and advertisers sure show interest in this platform (with 0.00% conversion rate), where nerds are exposed to ads for no other reason than collecting a crabbing token

>>22856935
screen capped so i can shit on your face at a later date faggot

>>22856935
You fundamentally have no clue how online marketing works.

>so basically BAT tokens are distributed to Brave users for no reason, other than letting some shitty pop ups appear in the bottom right of the screen?

Yes. Its incredibly effective. It take up space in your mind if you avert your gaze (attention) to it. Thats what advertisers want. Rent free space in your mind. Thats why you get paid for it.

>Creators certainly can't wait to cash these in,
As much are you are being a smarmy retard - yes. Hence why some huge, multinational conglomerates are continually renewing their campaigns, because the CTR and conversion rates are a lot higher than other means of marketing.

> where nerds are exposed to ads for no other reason
False. Us nerds, yourself included, are exposed to adverts with the intention that we purchase their goods and or services at a later date due to brand recognition. We are incentivised to opt into - only if we want to - the program to receive part of the cost in our own pocket that it cost them to run the campaign commensurate with our attention so that we can use the BAT for a variety of current or future utilites.


You're a deadset retard, and are doubling down because you have been called out for perpetuating the 'click on advert to get paid meme', you clearly have no idea how online advertising works and the psychology behind it. But alas, the fact you are posting in this thread means that you probably have a modicum of BAT, and will be financially better off than you are now because of it, even if you are a useful idiot. You're gonna make it based retard. Keep stacking that BAT.

>>22856969
based

>>22856969
stay mad, americano
>>22857018
Once you've got your stack of BAT, what do you do with it? tip creators? do you really think right now brave users care about that kind of thing? do we know what's the proportion of BAT token generated each month that is tipped? Do you think brave users currently are some edgy apple hipsters? how frequently do you guys tip creators?

Can you stake or farm your BAT? Is it profitable to lend it, is it in demand? (lol)

Among the current brave users, how many opted for it just because of privacy worries with Chrome? how many just wanted to browse the internet with something other than Chrome? How many just wanted a browser with an adblocker integrated? Does brave corporation has any idea about that? Did it make these studies public? What's the market share of Brave browser? is it gaining significant momentum? What's the proportion of Brave users that enabled rewards and are familiar with crypto?

What's the ads conversion rate on Brave platform? did not find it
Is there a reason to think BAT won't be at $0.25 two years from now?

Honestly, I could not care less with your sarcasm, I think most people just randomly collect the BAT token for their monthly $10 (because why the fuck not?) and are about to dump then because they're useless, the price is still shit and there's no reason for this to change. I'm not expecting answers to the questions above, and I know only some of the answers, but maybe you could tamper your optimism if you knew what the answers are.

>>22857307
>staking
>farming

holy shit get a clue you moron you sound like someone thats about to lose 90% of his money on scams

>>22857307
I'm not going to spoonfeed you, but there is so much future utility on the horizon for BAT. Please know that BAT is one of the most used crypto and most diluted crypto in the world.

>Can you stake or farm your BAT? Is it profitable to lend it, is it in demand? (lol)
You have to be like 16 maximum. Based DeFi pnd chasing tart.


>is it gaining significant momentum?
You tell me.

https://batgrowth.com/

https://brave.com/transparency/

>What's the ads conversion rate on Brave platform? did not find it. Is there a reason to think BAT won't be at $0.25 two years from now?
Far higher than any other online ad serving mechanism. DYOR. Not going to spoonfeed you again, but look at the quality of companies that CONTINUALLY renew their campaigns. if they weren't successful, they wouldn't.

>Honestly, I could not care less with your sarcasm, I think most people just randomly collect the BAT token for their monthly $10 (because why the fuck not?) and are about to dump then because they're useless, the price is still shit and there's no reason for this to change. I'm not expecting answers to the questions above, and I know only some of the answers, but maybe you could tamper your optimism if you knew what the answers are.

No offense you sound like a, and I don't use this word often, a fag. Read this thread. Please. Really do. This thread might change the future of ~crypto investments~ you make. I don't give two fucks what you do or think at all. You're a mere drop in the ocean and I have nil care whatsoever whatever you do. But look at the coming utility. Look at the growth rates in the links above. Look at the token dilution. Look at the people on the team of brave. Its a long play, not a short one.

>>/biz/thread/S22145809

I hope that one day you come back to these threads without the dumb questions and with a sense of understanding of the importance of Brave, and the utility of the BAT token. Read that warosu, if anything from my post.

>>22856590
You will make jack shit. It'll be a miracle if BAT stays above $0.1 in 2021.

>>22857598
>>22857307

And most importantly of all, look at this cunts head.