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In Italy there's this widespread atmosphere of workers vs businesses, even non-political people will talk about business in a resentful way or tell you that businesses would exploit people if it wasn't for government rules, so sometimes you hear people talk about entrepeneurs with resent, like: "yeah this motherfukers make money, like my boss, fuck them while i work for him and make less".

Or when they talk about big companies they talk with a subtle hostility towards them, like they're bad.

Those are not even leftists, it's just alot of random people they just have these ideas in their head.

Similar thing when rich people are mentioned, it's not explicit but you can feel the resentment in their words, for example there's a friend of mine that lives in a wealthy area and my gf parents where like: "mmm look where he lives eh, that's a good area eh, what job do his parents make eh eh", the literal phrase doesn't support what i'm saying but this kind of remarks are accompanied by a certain tone and attitude that i can't convet in text.

That's not all people ofc but i see it as a pretty widespread behaviour, even in apolitical people.

>> No.23045608

k

>> No.23045629

>>23045544
This proves Italians are smart. Businesses should be illegal

>> No.23046080

We also voted for beppe grillo, what's your argument?

Just a bunch of sour grapes minimum wage workers seething because a politician makes more than they do, all of this while opting out of unions to not get bad stares from their boss.

>> No.23046126

>>23045544
This is a good warning to drop your gf.
Look how her parents seethe at someone who is more successful.
The same will happen to you when you make it.

>> No.23046168

>>23045544
the golden age of Italy as a historical entity always happened when Italians embraced capitalism.

even in the 60s the economic boom occurred because of capitalism.

but now Italy has embraced socialism and statism and you see the results, they are the niggers of Europe.

the Romans liked to privatise everything, by commissioning republicans, the italian merchants were the first ones to develop a capitalistic approach.

>> No.23046183

>>23045544
we must also consider that poorfags will always seethe

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>>23045629

>> No.23046196

>>23046168
cringe

>> No.23046235

>>23045544
Gli italiani sono un popolo di invidiosi pettegoli di paesino.
Che coins hai nel tuo arsenale?

>> No.23046246

>>23046235
non uso crypto, sto studiando azioni e opzioni

>> No.23046247

>>23046168
>even in the 60s the economic boom occurred because of capitalism.
How did the 60 boom happen if it was a post 2th world war era?

>> No.23046257

>>23046168
>the Romans liked to privatise everything
and this was useful to the economy because...?

>> No.23046263

>>23046246
Compra ChainLink
quali azioni

>> No.23046267

>>23046257
He must be an amerimutt, Roman economy was more similar to modern China. Heavy state intervention with liberty to exploit slave labor

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>>23045544
tl:dr;
>Businesses (sme's account for 90%) are only able to earn a buck by under reporting their earnings, paying less vat and general taxes (tax evasion).
>Big Businesses do the same thing by operating in a grey area that still manages to comply by the law (tax avoidance)

Real taxation for businesses is like 65-70% and under normal market rules it shouldn't be possible for so many sme's to stay afloat, yet somehow here we are.

>Regular working caddle can't evade or avoid taxes, so they REEEEE at the (((E N T R E P R E N E U R S)))

>Bonus: Public Sector caddle (the a5 wagyu equivalent) laugh at everyone else from their comfy unshakeable lifelong recession-proof stable throne.

>> No.23046279

>>23046263
sto studiando in generale le azioni e gli investimenti, come analizzarli, come funziona l'economia, crypto mi sembra solo una roba a caso come tirare i dadi, e' guidato dall'hype

>> No.23046286

>>23046246
Porcoddio ancora con le azioni nel 2020

>> No.23046310

>>23046286
si bra vai a tirare i dadi con il crypto

>> No.23046324

>>23046310
>il crypto
i hope this is bait

>> No.23046337

>>23046279
Finocchio youe wille nevera makea it

>> No.23046440

>>23046267
wrong, wrong wrong

study the system of publicans, the Roman Empire was like USA before socialists took over.

even the collection of taxes was privatised

>> No.23046476

>>23045544
People are fucking retarded man, I moved out of shitaly and I opened a business in UK.
Taxation on businesses in Italy is unbearable, how do fuck you are supposed to pay 60/70% aggregated taxation? You cannot even fire a stupid employee doing damages left and right.
Fuck, we have great entrepreneurs forced to move companies abroad while everybody is a parasite with reddito di cittadinanza. We need a fucking flamethrower...

>> No.23046499

>>23046476
How is it 70%?

I tought it was 33% plus maybe regional and comunal taxes

>> No.23046597

>>23045544
>will talk about business in a resentful way or tell you that businesses would exploit people if it wasn't for government rules
of course they do.
Most of the "business men" in italy are rich because they pay shit their workers.

>> No.23046623

>>23046499
What? In which fucking planet are you living man? I guess people in Italy keeps talking bullshit but they never even attempt to run a business
https://www.secoloditalia.it/2020/01/tassazione-alle-imprese-litalia-in-vetta-alla-classifica-mondiale-e-in-dieci-piccole-nazioni-neanche-esiste/

>> No.23046629

>>23046597
Retard, they pay the double but that goes into taxes

>> No.23046680

>>23046623
And on top of that you have to pay taxes on everything you consume, 24% VAT + extra taxes on things like electricity and so on.
Basically businessmen are working for the glory (and they also get called tax evaders...)...fuck it, it’s not worth it, I moved the fuck out ASAP, Italy needs to collapse first under the weight of parasites stealing each other from public resources

>> No.23046696

>>23045544
Yeah let's not talk about italian having an entitled mentality trying to scam each other every day.
>Those are not even leftists
Oh boy, everyone here is a fucking statist here no matter their ideology, it's one of the reason why the government is failing.

>> No.23046781

>>23046629
Fucking mong, you do know what are fake p. iva of course, that if they don't pay directly out of the radar.

>> No.23046842

>>23046168
>he doesn't know about the marshall plan
cringe blue pilled tard

>> No.23046862

>>23046696
Instead of lowering taxation and give temporary help to businesses, first they forced them to stay close for the chinkflu, then they ban them from firing people, and then they forced them to still pay all the fixed taxes even with zero income. Of course everybody is failing and then the state has to pay for unemployment instead. What a fucking shitshow, these government has literally a negative IQ, but with it’s no surprise with a guitarist Eu puppet as ministry of economy (Gualtieri is not even an economist, lol)

>> No.23046871

>>23046263
>Chainlink
se non hai gia venduto tutto in agosto non ce la farai mai ritardato
>>23046246
starei molto attento con le opzioni anon

>> No.23046899

>>23046781
>fake p. iva
It’s not fake, it’s called being a consultant/contractor and you are not bonded to one company so you can have multiple clients if you are not a complete retard. It also has tax advantages for both, what do you want more? Una fetta di culo vicino all’osso? With this kind of taxation is a miracle that you even have a job

>> No.23046920

so many entitled cockroaches in this thread calling for help from mamma stato
I would fire on spot every single public employee and force them to open at least a partita iva, then we can talk...

>> No.23046932

>>23046871
metallofili ne abbiamo in questo thread?
chemmerda l'iva sull'argento

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>>23045544
>mmm look where he lives eh, that's a good area eh, what job do his parents make eh eh

Mmm looka wher he libes ehhh????? That’s a goody good area eyyy???? What job his genitori make ayyyyy?????????

>> No.23046970

Comunque sia questo paese è sempre stato un buco di merda, io vedo gente lavorare a nero (costretta anche a volte, io ne qualcosa), abusare il welfare, abusare spazi pubblici, avere amici all'amministrazione, nepotismo e garantismo, semi-privatizzazioni a cazzo.

Mi pare che sia esagerato parlare di ideologie, vengono applicate a metà qui.

>> No.23047076

>>23046970
Chi la prende nel culo alla fine sono i privati che le tasse le pagano tutte...

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23047077

E lui o non e lui ?

>> No.23047088

>>23045544
ho notato che questo genere di opinioni sono espresse soltanto da terroni
o sbaglio?

>> No.23047138

>>23046871
lo so sono molto volatili, see wsb, ma vado con precauzione, sto leggendo option pricing and volatility bel libro

>> No.23047150

>>23047088
no io le vedo da vari tipi di persone

>> No.23047152
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23047152

Italians, why did you choose to adopt a language that self-generates tongue-twisters every second sentence?

>Non è né tè né caffè nero.

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23047197

>>23047152
>trentatrè trentini entrarono a trento tutti e trentatrè trotterellano

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>>23047152
>TRENTATRÈ TRENTINI ENTRARONO A TRENTO TUTTI E TRENTATRÈ TROTTERELLANDO

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>>23047227

>> No.23047353

>>23046899
>it’s called being a consultant/contractor and you are not bonded to one company so you can have multiple clients
That's a real p. iva

Fake p. iva is when you work for a company like an employee and you can't work with other clients and you are paid like a p.iva, but with the same wage of an employee, basically te pagano na ceppa di minchia and if you get ill sono cazzi tuoi.

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23047417

nooooooooooo dont tax the heckin fat cats, you have to exploit the workers for every penny

>> No.23047467

>>23045544
I'm Portuguese living in Canada and in Portugal is the exact same thing. It's actually that victim complex that made me get out of there. I can't stand that kind of mentality. I'm 8 years I was 4 times in Portugal and desu I'm starting to not miss it at all. Last time I was there was because I had to take care of business actually not even leisure

>> No.23047506

>>23047152
Italian is a failed language

>> No.23047519

>>23047506
>he knows 98 words
how fucking poor are you

>> No.23047551

>>23046235
compra BUCC su uniswap, e´ethereum privato, cosi´almeno magari non dovrai lavorare per 1000 euro al mese per il signor sheckelstein

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23047647

>>23047506
You're in for a rude shock if you think that

>> No.23047649

Italy just like all of western europe exploited the eastern workers and learned from the jews they harbored for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Look at italian products, mostly subpar shit. Same with german products nowadays. KIKED societies making garbage products selling to developing third worlders who don't know better.

>> No.23047686

>>23047649
>subpar
wut?

>> No.23047807

>>23045544
so, whats your question or your point op?

>> No.23047986

>>23046871
>se non hai gia venduto tutto in agosto
da quanto sei qui? Not gonna fall for your fud
Gennaio January' gonna be the month

>> No.23048025

>>23047686
Means “хyёвый” in Eastern European

>> No.23048123

>>23047807
that these people are fucking retards with their distorted view of the world and victim menatality

>> No.23048163

>>23048025
i don't speak slavnigger language, sorry

>> No.23048181

Italian here.
That's critically incorrect.

The general population loves multinational corporations and big banks and regards them as the saviours of the economy.
The hate is all sent towards small and micro businesses, like Signora Maria's grocery, because that's what the propaganda wants you to think.

Italians are a bunch of brainwashed idiots who think that Amazon owning everything is the best thing that could ever happen, while if Signora Maria doesn't bill a candy every now and then because her small family business opened in Pieve Torina since generations can't survive and feed her at the same time otherwise (and shutting down to get a job at 50 in a small rural area with 700 inhabitants is not easy), then she is regarded as a despicable thief.

This is end stage capitalism in a neoliberist economy for you.

>> No.23048524

>>23045544
>or tell you that businesses would exploit people if it wasn't for government rules
I don't know if you're retarded or what zoomzoom, but maybe invest a slither of your time in the history of the working man and see how working conditions were before Unions were a thing.
Also your entire little essay broils down to one thing: Envy.
Also it's not that hard to understand that people resent rich people especially in italy since they are notorious tax evading, maffia owned scumbags.

>> No.23048558

>>23047649
>Italy just like all of western europe
Italy/western europe, pick one.

>> No.23048664

>>23048181
This, the problem is that signora Maria which is 85y old have to adapt to electronic payments even nobody will ever use it in her remote village in the mountains, and this costs more than 1k to setup with device+internet+bank fees, on top of 60% taxation.
Amazon on the other hand can pay 0.001% and do legal tax elusion in Ireland because “muh EU”

>> No.23048801

>>23048181
>The general population loves multinational corporations and big banks and regards them as the saviours of the economy
Wtf is this bullshit? I never heard anyone saying they love corporations, i always ear people talking shit about private bussinesses regardless of how big they are and then asking for more government intervention.

Dove cazzo vivi?

>> No.23048804

>>23048664
Yes. + suppliers + gas, electricity and water.
Nobody will ever count how many Signore Marie had to shut down since we entered EU and changed the economic model or how many Elio (small business owner as well) had to suicide because they were constantly told that they are "not competitive enough" or "not good enough".
The Italian economy is made by 90% of small and micro businesses, and it's being killed by design.
We all know what Mario Monti said on the CNN interview... This shit is by design.

>> No.23048894

>>23048801
Non e' bullshit, e' la realta'.
La gente e' avvelenata contro i piccoli commercianti come se fossero dei ladroni, perche' e' quello che gli dice la televisione.
Accendi la TV, 24 su 24 parlano di tasse, evasione e debito pubblico, e lo vedo la gente la merda che scrive sui social e le cose che dicono.
Poi ordinano la roba da Amazon "perche ce lavora lu figliu miu".(corriere)

Sto a Dubai, fanculo sti mongoloidi in Italia, se devo vivere nel capitalismo degenerato, almeno ci prendo i soldi buoni.

>> No.23048916

>>23048804
>We all know what Mario Monti said on the CNN interview...
>we have to kill internal demand
may he rot in hell together with all retarded eu supporters who think he is a savior
Thanks god I moved out as soon as I had the possibility and I still keep converting my entire income into BTC since 3 years and a half, imagine unironically storing your networth in euro, what a joke of a currency

>> No.23048944

>>23048894
Porca madonna non mi ci fa pensa’...

>> No.23048946

>>23048916
Checked and Exitpilled

>> No.23048947

>>23045544
Similar problem in France, I think it's a Latin thing.
This or it's a human thing and anglos are just the lucky exception

>> No.23049002

>>23048801
tons of:
>other eu countries are virtuous, italy is living beyond his means!
>Signora Maria is a thief, it's ok if bezos doesn't pay some taxes because he's an investor!
>We need foreign investors / capitals to pay the debt!
>We need to sell of everything because the private sector is better at doing things!

>> No.23049028

>>23049002
on point

>> No.23049142

>>23048894
Beh si, se per capitalismo degenerato intendi il clima di "crony capitalism" che attanaglia questo buco di merda, qua da quanto ne sò la mentalità generale è "quando mi va in culo a me mi incazzo, quando va in culo alle altre persone allora sticazzi".
È un misto tra il peggio che può uscire dall'individualismo e il peggio di ciò che può uscire dal collettivismo.

>> No.23049283

>>23049142
Perciò amazon che non ha volto ed ha assunto pure miocuggino è salutata con entusiasmo.
Il liberismo è il cancro comunue, non libera nessuno se non dei turbodrogati disagiati che iniziano a giocare con dei prodotti finanziari a caso, fanno saltare tutto ogni 10 anni e poi li deve salvare papà stato.

>> No.23049368

>>23049142
la cosa che mi fa girare il cazzo e' che se provi a nominare l'evasione delle grosse corporazioni, o situazioni tipo quella con la Whirlpool o CocaCola, sei un sovranista che fa retorica, perche' il mercato ha sempre ragione e sono aziende private e che ne sai tu dell'economia che non hai la laurea.
Poi pero' se mia madre (che tra l'altro ha dovuto chiudere), non fa uno scontrino perche' o e' quello o a cena si mangiano gli avanzi di ieri, allora e' una ladra malvagia che con la sua avarizia ci fa ingrossare il debito pubblico, e se provi a dire che la pressione fiscale e' troppo alta, la risposta e' sempre "eh per pagare meno tasse dobbiamo pagarle tutti"... Ma che porco dio di discorso e'? ma so handicappati? la pressione fiscale andra' adeguata alle possibilita' della gente, no? ma quanto cazzo ci vuole...
Che poi parlano di debito pubblico e non sanno neanche cosa cazzo sia, e quando provi a spiegargli che il debito pubblico sono soldi e servizi in mano alla gente e che i paesi con la piu alta qualita' di vita sono quelli che fanno meno austerity, sbuffano e "ah si, il meme del debito pubblico Giapponese di nuovo... duh..."

Me so ritirato a vita privata, non voglio piu parlare con nessun mongoloide mai piu nella vita.
Trado crypto, I am about to make it, e mi compro na casa in montagna, faccio un fosso intorno coi cazzo di coccodrilli e le torrette coi mitragliatori sul perimetro e vaffanculo a tutti.

>> No.23049376 [DELETED] 

>>23049283
>il liberismo
Dove lo vedi il libero mercato in italia se i privati come dite voi ricevono i fondi dallo stato?

>> No.23049455

>>23049283
Esatto. Il Covid solo na cosa buona ha fatto: ha fatto venire a galla tutte le cazzate liberiste del rigore dei conti e del libero mercato e delle aziende private.
Si e' visto infatti: profitti privati e perdite pubbliche, sti pezzi demmerda, falliscono e lo stato li deve bailare out, e lo stato e' anche cattivo se non lo fa.
Poi appena arrivati i soldi statali, via! Si ritorna a parlare merda delle gestioni statali come se niente fosse, e la gente dorme, sti pecoroni di merda, e ripetono a pappagallo tutte le stregonerie che gli dice la tv.
mi viene il vomito

>> No.23049537

>>23046842
German detected, you can even compare spain to Italy, and spain has a higher gdp per capita than italy, even though they didn't receive us bucks.

>> No.23049596

>faccio un fosso intorno coi cazzo di coccodrilli e le torrette coi mitragliatori sul perimetro e vaffanculo a tutti
Con l'andazzo che c'è penso lo farò anche io.

>> No.23049754

>>23048163
Your daughters will.

>> No.23049766

Reading this thread with Google translate, it's fascinating.

>> No.23049841

>>23049455
>lo spauracchio del debito pubblico
>confondere volutamente temi macro (debito nazionale, composto) con temi micro (ma se devi dei soldi al fruttivendolo che fai, non glieli dai?=
>la trasformazione di argomenti in tabù
>la sacerdotizzazione della discutibilità (puoi parlare di lauree solo se sei laureato in lauree!)
>lo sdegno per lo stato e il dogma della mano invisibile del mercato (solo che poi gli devi salvare il culo se falliscono)
>il piccolo è un ladro, il grande è un eroe
>lo sdegno per il suffragio universale
>fingere di supportare la scienza e usare una pseudoscienza (economia) come modello di fede assoluta
>il cazzeggio sui dati e sulle percentuali
Non c'è un governo liberista nella storia che non sia fallito male, e non abbia generato tumulti e instaurazioni di dittature di reazione (indovina di che orientamento erano quelli prima dei nazisti)

>> No.23049868

>>23049754
Your mom already speaks italian

>> No.23050053

>>23049841
hai dimenticato
>il mito dello spreco
Hanno votato per tagliare rappresentanza democratica in nome del risparmio.
Festeggiano l'avvento della dittatura col risparmio di 1 caffe' all'anno per cittadino.
Branco di struppiosauri

>> No.23050116

>>23046440
I'm convinced you are not capable of comprehending what you read

>> No.23050355

>>23050053
Su quello sono daccordo, gli stipendi di politici e dirigenti vanno legati alle performance dello stato, se pedaliamo tutti allora tu mangi, se no guadagni ceppe.

>> No.23050446

>>23050355
Aaaaaaaaaaspetta zi... Ridurre lo stipendio SI. Ridurre il numero NO.
C'e' na grossa differenza eh

>> No.23050501

Fucking pasta monkeys: speak English

>> No.23050508

>>23046257
Privatisation encourages innovation and prices lower through innovation.
Lower prices are good for everything.
Lazer eye surgery being affordable is credited to the USA medical industry being privatized. That's just one inarguable example but there are many examples of things being made more cheaply when private companies have incentive to make money by making a superior product at a superior price

>> No.23050527

>>23045544

sounds like a european thing

>> No.23050590

>>23050508
>lower prices are good for everything
The absolute state of amerimutts...

You remember when things lasted?
Quality has a cost.
You want cheap? You get cheap.

>> No.23050678

>>23050508
>Privatisation encourages innovation and prices lower through innovation.
This is not always true anyway, our highways are managed by private companies and they keep collapsing cause the profits are invested in financial products in Singapore instead of maintenance, and highway prices keeps getting higher and higher.
Usually infrastructure privatization is a terrible idea, for the rest, I agree, especially government services, these fucking lazy warm asses with guaranteed salary should feel on their skin what does it mean fighting for survival bucks

>> No.23050733

Perché scrivete in dialetto porca merda terroni che non siete altro.

>> No.23050751

>>23049368
this al cubo
grande bro
io ho il culo poggiato su 21 BTC e 100 ETH, speriamo il 2021 porti bene...
2022 faccio 7 mesi ad Abu Dhabi, cashout tax free e poi torno a fare l’evasore totale, porco dio pure il RdC devo prendermi

>> No.23050784

>>23046278
>that pic

God, I don't miss the fucking office at all. But im so unproductive at work.

It's all so tiresome lads.

>> No.23050834

>>23046278
>>Regular working caddle can't evade or avoid taxes
but that's almost never the case. Entrepreneurs aren't avoiding their own personal tax. They're using their companies profits or writing off company expenses. Their company might be something they're personally into but that's not their personal tax

>> No.23050976

>>23046235
>>23046246
>>23046263
>>23046279
>>23046286
>>23046310
>>23046871
>>23046932
>>23046970
>>23047076
>>23047077
>>23047088
>>23047138
>>23047150
>>23047227
>>23048944
>>23049142
>>23049283
>>23049368
>>23049455
>>23049596
>>23049841
>>23050053
>>23050446
>>23050355
>>23050508
>>23050751
spaghetti

>> No.23051058

>>23050751
fucking kys parasite

>> No.23051073

>>23050446
cambia poco, 600 yesmen o 900 yesmen

>> No.23051115

Italians have always struck me as a fabulously goofy people for many, many reasons, and every Italian I've known IRL has come across as successively weirder than the last one.

>> No.23051148

>>23051058
Devono cambiare la legge porca madonna, non possono fare AirDrop mensili a gente che non fa un cazzo

>> No.23051369

>>23051148
>hanno regalato 98 miliardi di euro di tasse a philip morris
>hanno regalato decine di miliardi alle banche
>il pd de merda da solo possiede oltre due miliardi e mezzo di capitale
>hanno regalato decine di miliardi all'unione europea che ha fatto sviluppare gli evasori fiscali e i pezzenti dell'est
>piange se regalano 10 euro a due pezzenti che non riescono a campare perché hanno schiantato il mercato a forza di delocalizzare tutto
Ma non rompe il cazzo

>> No.23051460

>>23051369
No porca madonna, mio padre ha versato 42 anni di contributi e prende meno di pensione che tutti i fancazzisti del paese che non hanno mai mosso un dito. Ma li mettessero a spazzare per strada almeno porco dio, che cazzo paghi la gente per stare a casa? A pulire I fossi e i tombini porca madonna almeno.

>> No.23051474

test test test

>> No.23051495

>>23051460
agree

>> No.23051535

>>23051460
Ma deve tornare una cazzo di idea di stato e di direzione, un lavorare per tutti, non una merda di monopoly globalista in cui ognuno fa quel cazzo che gli pare e se gli italiani si estinguono che fa, li rimpiazziamo con i negri

>> No.23051547

>>23051460
Il mio anche, 25 anni di lavoro gravoso con tutti i contributi versati, ci ha guadagnato un osteoartrosi alla schiena degenerativa e non sa neanche se vedrà mai la pensione.

>> No.23051651

Ho un grosse catzzo putana, nutella, ferrari grande machina, tortellini

>> No.23051673

>>23051651
nigro niger nigrum nigredo nigga nignog

>> No.23051684

>>23051535
>Ma deve tornare una cazzo di idea di stato
Campa cavallo, se non salta l’euro (impossibile visto che il 95% del parlamento, Lega e FdI inclusi, sono già a 90 gradi in tal senso, Paragone e il fronte sovranista non vanno lontano...), l’unica cosa che mi auguro é una tassazione vicina allo zero, e che l’Italia diventi stato canaglia che favorisce il dumping fiscale più di Olanda, Lussemburgo e Irlanda, dobbiamo diventare i pezzi di merda d’Europa, la dobbiamo fare esplodere come il nitrato di potassio a a Beirut porco dio

>> No.23051728

>>23051673
grande lavoro putana

>> No.23051748

>>23051684
Rendersi conto 20 anni dopo come dei ritardati che il parlamento europeo non era un pascolo per il mastella di turno e che non devono firmare tutto quello che gli ebrei germanici gli passano sarebbe già un grande passo avanti

>> No.23051761
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23051761

Certo che, se posso dirlo, tra tutte le etnie su questa board, noi siamo quelli più vivaci.

>> No.23051781

>>23051761
Ecco, pensa che tristezza se fossimo dei canadesi di merda

>> No.23051802

>>23051761
probabilmente dovuto all basso qi tipico deglio italiacci

>> No.23051843

>>23051802
Keep seething, burger

>> No.23051967

>>23051843
>tfw swiss masterrace
cope harder spaghetti negro

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>>23051802

>> No.23052053

>>23051967
>not a fiscal paradise anymore
>banks have to cooperate with the governments
>clocks are made in china
non servite più a un cazzo, dai

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>> No.23052185

>>23050751
Based and SheikhPilled

>> No.23052243

>>23051460
Lo puoi mettere a spazzare lammerda, senno fai crescere il DEBBBBBBITOPUBBBLICOOOOOO
Kek

>> No.23052268

>>23052243
*non li puoi mettere (loro)

>> No.23052313

>>23052243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F7DBClNaBw

>> No.23052325
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>>23051535
ehm, se non ti sei informato, loro sono l'avanguardia di uno stile di vita che presto sara' anche il nostro.

>> No.23052355

>>23045544
la volete smettere di pompare questo thread manica di pezzenti.
la maggior parte di voi è composta da ritardati subumani degni solo di pulirmi il culo.

il massimo a cui potete sperare è essere parassiti del welfare come forse siete già, andate a fanculo socialisti di merda

>> No.23052379

>>23051684
La speranza e' andata.
Focus su crypto e investimenti e mettiti in rotta per vivere da parassita con la pensione di cittadinanza e Ferrari in garage.
6 mesi in UAE, ti iscrivi all'AIRE cosi non ti possono chiedere un soldo, poi torni e prendi per culo i cucks che stanno li a pagare le tasse per far arrivare i negri.

>> No.23052390

>>23051535
il 95% degli italiani è allo stesso livello dei negri.

sinceramente non vedo gran differenza, non farei sposare mia figlia nè con un negro nè con la plebaglia italiana

>> No.23052398

>>23052325
i popoli meticciati senza credo politico nè religione mossi lungo lo scacchiere globale che possono cambiare gender a comando e generare figli che possono affittare ai ricchioni on demand, isn't that a dream?

>> No.23052439

>>23052313
AAAAHAHAHAHHAA porca puttana, sta roba e' Orwelliana da panico

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>>23047467
Hi dude. I'm a pork chop in Canada as well (2nd generation) and I've lived in Portugal before and vacation there almost every summer. The people have been mindfucked by Socialism. They are dependent on the government and they think that all their problems are caused by CAPITALISM when it's the other way around! They don't realize that the stagnant economy is caused by the socialist policies and high taxes. Of course they live in a beautiful country with great culture, food and natural beauty so it's easy to keep their minds of the problem, not to mention the football culture that so many people are obsessed with.

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23052493

>>23052398
Abrogio, sogno o son desta?

>> No.23052534

>>23052451
Imagine going to the hospital and coming out financially ruined.
kek

>> No.23052589

>>23052355
Ma finiscila e abbraccia l'italianità invece di fare lo zio tom di un branco di barbari cucchi del nord, pirla!

>>23052439
Cioè capito, sto stronzo ha pagato uno spazio pubblicitario per giorni per angosciare la gente con questo meme del cazzo.
Quasi basato

>> No.23052615
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>>23052534
In Canada we have universal healthcare anon. The Eurozone seems to be a problem though for the PIGS. As soon as they joined they went from avg. 5% growth to negative growth.

>> No.23052630

>>23052094
It’s fuckin awesome staking... joined the group dude..

>> No.23052678

>>23052615
>PIIGS
ok leaf boomer

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>>23052379
signori e signore

>> No.23052741
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23052741

>>23052313
>che pagherai anche tu
credici

>> No.23052748

>>23052615
eh and you know what universal healthcare is called?
Socialism

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>>23052678
Bappidty boopidty, Spaghetti man.

>> No.23052801

io mi chiederò sempre come sia possibile che il paese dove il capitalismo si è formato con i pubblicani dell'Antica Roma e poi con le Repubbliche Marinare uniche al mondo sia potuto diventare la fogna comunista che è ora.

>> No.23052817

>>23052748
A bit of taxation for healthcare and school is ok for me, I can pay taxes, but 20%, not 60% and not for niggers
If you force me to pay 60% for lazy commies and nigger I will pay ZERO

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>>23052748
What's your point?

>> No.23052877

>>23052748
I'm ok with helping someone else to be cured, this is what civilized countries do.
Problem is when you fill the country of useless niggers because "nation is a crime".
These are progressivtard degenerations, and need to be cured.

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>>23052817
Based.

>> No.23052910

>>23052831
>The people have been mindfucked by Socialism. They are dependent on the government and they think that all their problems are caused by CAPITALISM when it's the other way around!
Shit on socialism, then praise capitalism, then get rekt because of private healthcare topic, then says his country has universal healthcare to get out of the pickle, invalidates his very own starting point and then asks "what's your point?"

>> No.23052922

>>23052817
>A bit of taxation for healthcare and school
ok communist, we have the church for charity.

the money of the taxes should be spent only for public works, which must be commissioned to private building companies, for the preservation of the cultural heritage and the army.

also we should use the prisoners as slaves, I've read a book of Stalin and I understood that planned economy can be more effective in the field of the heavy industry if you use slaves like in the USSR.

>> No.23052949

>>23052801
E abbronzati ogni tanto.

>> No.23052954

>>23052922
impara la differenza tra comunismo e socialismo, il fascismo ha costruito lo stato sociale, non i comunisti di merda, cretino

>> No.23053003

>>23052954
chiaramente le tasse vanno usate per lo stato sociale, non per dare stipendi smodati a presunti dirigenti e imboscati di merda

>> No.23053048

>>23052954
e infatti hai visto che economia del cazzo avevamo con fascismo, umiliazione totale nella guerra.
solo Giolitti e De Stefani hanno saputo governare con coscienza il paese.

Lo stato ha l'unico compito di preservare l'ordine pubblico, difendere la morale e mantenere un esercito forte.

>> No.23053061

>>23052877
Anon, the point is that, and this is a huge problem. When you talk about socialism, immediately the 1st thing that comes in mind is starving people in shithole countries, but that is not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about free (or kind of) healthcare (Italy has it), free education (or kind of) and Italy has this too, intervention from the state on businesses that want to fire employees because it's cheaper to produce in Romania, and I'm talking about minimum wage.
These are GOOD socialist policies that a country needs to survive.
Globohomo and Socialism are totally different things. Do you think that if Sanders won in the US they would have given free college to everybody? ahahah
Maybe open borders and de penalised paedophiles yes, but you think that in an economy based on debt, big banks would allow it? the same big banks that come from a certain state in the middle east and that suck the blood from freshly cut baby dicks?
I hope u guys r joking, I'm hoping u figured out that Socialism is not Globohomo...

>> No.23053062

>>23052954
>>23053003
Il nazional socialismo era basato, ma i tempi sono maturi e siamo pieni si negri, dobbiamo portare la tassazione a zero, almeno chi ha sempre lavorato torna a respirare e i comunisti muoiono di fame

>> No.23053101

>>23053062
>Il nazional socialismo era basato
e infatti prima di entrare in guerra la Germania era in bancarotta

>> No.23053114

>>23048947
It's quite simple, actually , INQUISITION. Countries that had it, got fucked, countries that never had it flourished. But it's kinda funny, watching Murica cucking itself willingly, doing the exact same shit that got us fucked, 500 years ago.

>> No.23053125

>>23045544

And are they wrong really? There's high levels of corruption in Italy and others countries in Southern Europe. Of course the people on top very usually step on other people to reach where they are.

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>>23045544
>>23053061
>>23053062
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>>23053114
>>23053125
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>> No.23053200

Raga, in uno stato socialista, l'impresa privata e' consentita eh, il profitto si puo fare!
Il comunismo e' un'altra cosa completamente...
Tutti gli stati Europei (chi piu chi meno) sono stati i piu' gloriosi al mondo proprio perche' costruiti su basi pseudo socialiste, il benessere che ha creato la sanita' pubblica, la bassa tassazione e gli altri benefits vari, sono quello che ci ha permesso di arrivare tra le top 3 potenze del mondo.
Il socialismo e' agli opposti di globohomo, senza confini non c'e' uno stato socialista.
Come abbiamo cambiato il sistema, siamo diventati un porto di sbarco per i negri.

>> No.23053216

>>23053101
Se hai il controllo dei confini e il controllo dei movimenti dei capitali, non esiste bancarotta, ma devi riuscire a produrre tutto internamente e ovviamente non puoi competere su tutto, altro stati saranno più bravi ad avanzare tecnologicamente su svariate cose, quindi serve ovviamente protezionismo.
Non é la soluzione migliore, ma è comunque meglio che importare prodotti cinesi di merda.
Comunque, non sono nostalgico, a me basterebbero le tasse il più vicino possibile allo zero, interventi salva-vita gratuiti e borse di studio per chi studia (chi non ha voglia di fare un cazzo già dall’inizio addio...). E un po’ di militari per l’ordine pubblico e i confini. Il minimo.

>> No.23053222
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>>23052910
You wouldn't even be able to support a universal healthcare system without the wealth created by capitalism. My point is that a country like Portugal can't even afford a system like that, or the huge social security net they have. Neither can most of Southern Europe and even among the countries with universal healthcare; the ones that actually work have capitalist and free market mechanisms in them that make them function. It's a complex topic and it isn't so black and white as capitalism vs socialism.

In Canada we have it but I didn't say I agreed with it, especially the way we implemented it. We have some of the longest wait times in the developed world and the fewest amount of doctors. The less centralized and more capitalist mechanisms you have the better the system works.

>> No.23053235

>>23053061
Of course, because Italy was used to be a Social-Democracy.

Progressivetards (the ones that push for the globohomo agenda) are lefty liberal, they want the states to disappear, and the world to become a giant free land in which they can control everything by being the decentralized untouchable global elite, with capitalism being a rigged game and a cage, in which completely brainwashed poor niggers migrate according to the elite needs.

>>23053062
Dobbiamo solo recuperare il concetto di Nazione, che è formata da popolo di una razza, lingua, costumi comuni, e aborrire il concetto di società multietnica che tra l'altro ha dimostrato di funzionare malissimo e rendere la società ancora più debole e disintegrata

>> No.23053266

>>23053101
la germania era in bancarotta per i debiti giudei di guerra e perché (oibò) c'era un governo tipo mario monti, POI sono arrivati i nazisti ed è tornata sul binario e si è fatta anche cancellare parte dei debiti, poi i nazisti hanno deciso di fare la guerra.

>> No.23053290

>>23052451
It's not Socialism, it's Statism. In Latin Europe, where the Inquisition killed anyone who dared not to be an obedient moron, The King is God, a benevolent father, who solves everything. No one will tell you otherwise, or they'll get the stake. It's an infant mentality "daddy i want this" , Latins weren't like this before the Inquisition, quite the contrary, we were the most sage go-go folks in the World.

>> No.23053301

>>23053222
>You wouldn't even be able to support a universal healthcare system without the wealth created by capitalism.
I will tell you a secret... The state is the only cash generating entity in the history of humanity.
You got to think this through a bit more anon

>> No.23053348

>>23053290
>It's not Socialism, it's Statism. In Latin Europe, where the Inquisition killed anyone who dared not to be an obedient moron, The King is God, a benevolent father, who solves everything. No one will tell you otherwise, or they'll get the stake. It's an infant mentality "daddy i want this" , Latins weren't like this before the Inquisition, quite the contrary, we were the most sage go-go folks in the World.
you know nothing about the Inquisition, socialism was developed in the protestant states and then imported in the latin countries.

we have to thank the Inquisitors for having killed the retards

>> No.23053361

>>23053222
>"afford"
What the fuck does it mean, in the healthcare?
If you (state) control who makes the meds, you set the prices, you set the doctors wages, you set everything.

>> No.23053371

>>23053235
>Dobbiamo solo recuperare il concetto di Nazione, che è formata da popolo di una razza, lingua, costumi comuni, e aborrire il concetto di società multietnica che tra l'altro ha dimostrato di funzionare malissimo e rendere la società ancora più debole e disintegrata

la Nazione è un concetto massonico con la Rivoluzione Francese, senza alcun rispetto per le caratteristiche locali

>> No.23053383

bunckerchan trannies need to leave

>> No.23053386

>>23053216
>tasse quasi a zeri
Dipende, quanto è costoso questo esercito e gli interventi salva-vita?

>> No.23053449

>>23047152
if you're talking about the super-rich, the players are ones who made the game. so if you hate the game, you would be stupid to ignore the ones who made it. unless you were a toady. are you a toady, anon?

>> No.23053450

>>23053235
>Progressivetards (the ones that push for the globohomo agenda) are lefty liberal, they want the states to disappear, and the world to become a giant free land in which they can control everything by being the decentralized untouchable global elite
If we can choose to reject fake money like euro from fake central banks like ECB and we can play with the same weapons (e.g. BTC) we will fucking smash their head, cause 10 years of austerity trained us like mad hungry dogs. Commies and libtards couldn’t survive a single day instead.
I would be ready to fight anytime in an anarcho-capitalist state. Of course when we win we can take back control of the borders and help each other with some common sense socialism.

>> No.23053463

thanks!!!

>> No.23053502

>>23053371
Eppure senza nazione lo stato diventa solo un'espressione burocratica, il paradiso dei globohomo

>> No.23053530

>>23053386
gli interventi salva-vita devono essere pagati come ogni cosa e ogni donna che non sia vergine va espulsa dalle forze armate.

inoltre il governo dovrebbe essere date esclusivamente a militari.
ovviamente l'esercito non deve più essere una forma di welfare

>> No.23053553

>>23053348
You fucking moron, the Inquisitors ARE the retards. Murica has a new breed, it's called "Cancel Culture ". It's the same infant mentality, that God is the State, Statism can come from either Left or Right, but it's always Authoritarian, and intolerant of dissent . Mussulini and Gramsci are two sides of the same coin.

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>>23053290
Sure this probably plays its part but there are a variety of factors. Don't forget that trade slowly shifted away from being Mediterranean-centered in Europe to being centered in the North Atlantic thanks to the expansion of Islam.

>>23053301
Do you mean to say the the banks are causing most of our problems and it is the fault of (((global financiers))) because then I would agree with you.

>>23053361
I mean that Portugal is going bankrupt trying to support their healthcare system because its tax base is too small and sure you can set all those parameters but if you don't spend the money you will have terrible conditions that the people will complain about.

>> No.23053590

>>23052094
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>> No.23053614

>>23053558
Ok, but this happen if you don't produce the goods and you're forced to import them from the outside.
And of course if you're full of fucking brazilian immigrants.

>> No.23053757

>>23053558
On the shift of Trade, Portugal had a big role in that. When Vasco da Gama got to India, the Italians got fucked, that's why even today, "portoghese", in Italy , means someone dishonest. The salt reached levels that shouldn't be possible. And there you have it, that go-go mentality, "Italians are fucking us with fees, let's go around them, and cut out the middlemen", or the Spanish " the Portuguese got a stranglehold on the South Atlantic, let's go around them , and reach India , by travelling West ". Only after Trento, we see this zombie-bs mindset, where everyone has to be fucking dumb, and anyone with talent is btfo.

>> No.23053938

>>23053558
Yes, and it's not just the banks. The current system (neo liberist/end stage capitalism) is a place in where we don't want to be. (((Banks))), (((Corporations))), (((Media))), (((Politicians))) are colluding, and you know that. When all parties agree, it always means you are fucked.
Lobbies and interest groups for big monopolies and banks want your shit and are using politics and media to achieve that goal.
This is where the confusion kicks in: majority of people just think "governments want your shit" so it must be socialism, but that's 100% the opposite because we know very well that banks and big monopolies own politicians and media.
This is exactly end stage capitalism, where banks and corporations own the lawmakers and the information, using them to get to own YOU.
Do you think there was a need to lockdown the planet for a flu?
There was a need for the people to lose everything and start selling homes and businesses, so whoever's got the money buys at a discount... This is very clear, what happens when BTC dumps? You buy the dip, it's crystal clear.
Why are they asking to de fund the police in the US? They are not going to achieve it, but what if they do? Are we gonna live in a world without police? kek... Obviously there will be police patrols around amazon warehouses and McDonald's logos on police cars...
These people are not playing, they are not stupid, they know what they are doing.

>> No.23054235

>>23053558
>Portugal is going bankrupt
Portugal is using a foreign currency which is not even free to float in value.
It’s really hard to get hit by hyperinflation, you really need to go into retarded sudaca free money mode. A bit of socialism for essential services (very different from free gibs for random niggers) is overall a good thing.
Today’s situation however is extreme and globohomo are already rooted in every government and it’s almost impossible to eradicate them. The only way to beat them is reject their currency and embrace BTC as the only recognized currency, which will make socialism kind of impossible until we wipe out this globohomo noborder faggots. The only way to create back a real nation is to embrace full anarcho-capitalism, reject fake fiat money and let commies soiboi starve. If they cannot control the money, they cannot control us. Buy BTC, save lives.

>> No.23054262

>>23045544
Based terroni

>> No.23054833

>>23053938
https://youtu.be/pZk6ia1vFAc

>> No.23055140

>>23054833
this is fucking amazing anon, I'm already loving it hahaha

>> No.23055235

>>23054833
based