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Brothers Karamazov is literally the greatest novel of all time.

Wow, this is an actual excellent set of books. This is actually a legendary list.

Schopenhauer is a MGTOW coward and this anon >>28351748 is right about TBK being Dostoevsky's best work. Also wrong board

>>28352149
Nah /biz/ could use a little more /lit/.
Thanks for the based list OP

A History of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind by Stephen Mitford Goodson. Now go back to your containment board, nerd.

>>28352149
Fuck you, Schopenhauer is the greatest philosopher of all time.

OP, Schopenhauer's work is largely influenced by the Upanishads, fun fact. The Briharadanyaka Upanishad is by far the best.

Crime and Punishment or NFU is Dostoevsky's best work. His short story White Nights is good, too.

Add Twilight of the Idols and the Antichrist by Nietzsche here.

(((CARL JUNG)))

gtfo of here

>>28352436
Are you retarded? He was literally hated by the jews, starting by Freud, because he was a non-jew in a field full of (((them))). They tried to use them as a proxy, but when he turned his back on them he was blacklisted by the psychoanalyst community.

If you're someone who doesn't read, I was like you a few months ago. My 2021 resolution was to start reading every night. So far I've read some Marx, Solzhenitsyn, Kierkagaard, and now getting into Neitzche.

I've never felt more alive, inspired, and accomplished. Books kick ass

>>28352402
If you don't believe in marriage then all the rest of your philosophy is invalidated in my books. He thought he was LARPing as Jesus but his passages on marriage just read like any pretentious /r9k/ post

>>28351206
Thus spoke zarathustra was too thick and allegorical for me, i think i might be brainlet.

also, is that a good book to start at with Jung?

>>28351206
>>28351748
bros, i didnt think i'd love crime and punishment as much as i did ,to the point that i dont even want to finish it ...
what should i read next, brothers Karamazov, Letters, or the idiot?

>>28351206
also, what the value in upanishads? like why read it ?

>>28352436
Retard

>>28352845
Based except for Marx. Good for you anon

>>28352957
If your favorite part of CNP was the dark psychology then NFU is a quick read, TBK should be top priority. Idiot is hit or miss for a lot of people

>>28352149
reading is the hobby of the successful man.

if you dont read, you're not gonna make it .

>>28352957
read brothers karamazov now anon, you want to read this book before you die. it's simple as that

>>28353417
seconding

>>28353180

I think it's important to read things that are disagreeable--like Marx. Now instead of questioning whether Marxism/communism is based when someone talks about it, I know that it's retarded because I read the theory

>>28353417
>>28353528
done .. Dostoevsky has turned me into a russiaboo

Anyone hear read House of the Dead? I read Crime and Punishment and I want to read Brothers Karamazov next. I feel these three are the trifecta of Dostoevsky

>>28351206
based anon, I am the guy from that thread
thak you for the recommendations

>>28352663
Jung was a Jew, you absolute fucking retard.

>>28351206
I'm writing them down, I appreciate you making this thread to tell me.

>>28353662
get picrel

>>28353417
I tried reading this in grade school and really didn’t understand it all that much, will go back and read again. Thanks anon

>>28353775
shut up wignat

>>28353904
good for you for trying to read it in grade school ahaha. this book is meant to be read as a mature adult

>>28353180
>Based except for Marx
hehe, you are very emotional

>>28353838
damn i noticed everyone recommends the pevear/ volokhonsky translation.
i've been reading the Sidney Monas translation of Crime&punishment

>>28353180

marx is as valuable as he is stupid. marx was correct in all of his observations and incorrect in all of his conclusions.

>>28353676
I read all three and House of the Dead is not on the same level. If you plan on reading Brothers K and House of the Dead I would read HoD first. Brothers K builds on all of Dosto's prior works

>>28354238
infinitely more enjoyable imo

>>28351206
Not sure why it's gone unmentioned here, other than the fact he was a Jew, but in very many ways Jung's early-middle work is a direct response to Freud (and Freud's late works on religion, from Civilization and its Discontents to Moses and Monotheism, are replies to Jung's rebuttal). You see this particularly in the first few chapters of Modern Man in Search of a Soul.

All this to say that while Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, etc. are interesting guides to Jung the most important interlocutor is Freud himself. You don't have to read Freud's later works for this - a lot of what will inform Jung's idea of the collective unconscious, etc, is a reaction against the overly sexual conclusions Freud draws in a) Three Essays on Sexuality (this is perhaps the most important single text to be aware of while reading early Jung) and b) Beyond the Pleasure Principle, which is quite tricky as it goes on and is by far the most controversial of Freud's works.

>>28351206
You forgot Mein Kampf Stalag Edition.

>>28354243
^ this. The alienation of labor and the fact the bourgeois have no country are spot on. Read Capital and ignore the Manifesto

>>28354150
Yeah you got me

>>28354238
I read P&V, McDuff and Garnett translations. I like McDuff best

>>28353662
I failed out of high school because I just read Tolstoy and Dostoevsky in class. It’s almost impossible to read non russian literature since

>>28353775
Jung was a Protestant. Part of his appeal to Freud was that he could, as a non-Jew, make Freud's 'scientific' theories acceptable in the mainstream in a way that Freud as a Jew never could. No doubt the loss of this possibility made their fallout particularly rancorous.

>>28354300
thank you, I look forward to brothers k if it's better than House of the dead

>>28354365
>>28352436
lol these tards don't realize the thread was made to give book recommendations to a Jew

>>28353662
do you by any chance listen to russian doomer music? i know of other "russiaboo"s who do

hey anons, any good way you know to get in love with books? So far i have only read 1984, Pedro Páramo and some other shit but i just get bored halfway through the books and stop reading. I've tried a lot of genres but i still cant get a grasp of what i want.
Do I just need to start reading? What shit have some of you done to keep reading?

What the fuck is this thread faggots?
I came here to search for a coin to pump and dump, not listen to you faggots talking about "reading" and sheet.
FUCK OFF.

>>28354506
I would also read The Idiot before BK

>>28354617
wealth without knowledge is worthless. Stop pumping ponzi schemes and read the Book of Revelations

Recommendations are a spook.

>>28354564
Read The Count of Monte Cristo. You will not want to put it down. From just a pure entertainment standpoint it's the best book I've read.

>>28354400
in fairness, a lot of Marx is hand-waving and axiomatizing of things that are really more complex than he lets on, but if you read him as an extension of Hegel and as a reference for philosophical and historical movements of the 19th and 20th centuries you'll get a lot of mileage out of his writing

I've always felt like western philosophy was more or less simply intellectual masturbation. Imo, indian/eastern spirituality (and psychedelics) instead go to the essential, which can't be grasp by the mind only. I really enjoy Nisargadatta Maharaj, for example.

>>28352149
Young Schopenhauer's value judgments about women, marriage, whatever - are logically independent of his philosophy. His youthful pessimism is logically wholly unconnected from his philosophy. To read what Schopenhauer wrote in his 20s and to believe that he maintained that attitude for the rest of his life is retarded beyond belief.

>>28354746
>book of revelation
Pshhh. Yeah right..

>>28355071
He was right on women, though. He is such an absolute legend.

>>28351206
>zarathustra
was reading it two thirds through and realised i transcend to übermensch by just putting it away and not giving a fuck. pretty sure my interpretation is correct

>>28353775
he was not, you mongoloid

>>28354529
>russian doomer music?
yes i recently started .. any recommendations?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKaisF5pYOE&ab_channel=%D0%A8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%82-Topic

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGfoPt7-LN0&ab_channel=MUJUICE

>

>>28352957
try lola by nabokov, then pale fire if you like the concept of unreliable narrators

>>28354486
bruh ... niggas dropping out smoking pot and doing lines and here you are skipping class to read classic literature. extremely based

>>28355358
I speak the language so its hard to really know if you can like the same stuff I do without knowing the lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9n1P8-8ANg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BASEDkG5VMhp8

>>28355250
The real value for me is Schopenhauer's epistemology and ontology. One can keep that and throw out his views on women if one wanted to. The sheer number and depth of the insights which he arrives at by pure reasoning out from the facts of direct experience - available to us all - is astounding. He moved the ball forward from where Kant left it and basically nobody since Schopenhauer has advanced beyond it.
>>28352402
'I confess that I do not believe my teachings could ever have come about until the Upanishads, Plato and Kant were able simultaneously to cast their rays into one man's mind.'

>>28355641
idk why 2nd link failed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiDUIfMk7go

From Modern Man in Search of a Soul, chapter 1:

"It is a fact that, as an analysis progresses, we come upon dreams that are strikingly obscure in comparison with the initial dreams. But the doctor should not be too sure that these later dreams are really confused, or be too hasty in accusing the patient of deliberate resistance. He would do better to take the fact as an indication of his own growing inability to understand the situation."

This is an indictment both of Freud's absolute certainty in his own interpretative abilities and Der Traumdeutung at large.

Something also at play in Jung and MMiSoaS in particular is the rejection of the shadow as wholly negative. You see this in Jung's theology/theodicy (Answer to Job and God as encompassing evil) but we find it directed at the individual psyche here:

"...there must be a thorough-going, conscious assimilation of unconscious contents. By "assimilation" I mean a mutual interpenetration of conscious and unconscious contents, and not - as is too commonly thought - a one-sided valuation, interpretation and deformation of unconscious contents by the rational mind. [...] It is well-known that the Freudian school presents the unconscious in a thoroughly depreciatory light, just as also it looks on primitive man as little better than a wild beast."

A decisive move away from Freud's take on the shadow. As he puts it later: "How can I be substantial if I fail to cast a shadow?"

>>28353775
>>28352436
>>28353775
Jungian psychology is the antithesis of kike post-modernism, to the extent that modern (((psychoanalysts)))) have tried as hard as possible to bury him. Collective Unconscious is the final red-pill

>>28355641
sounds like sovietwave to me lol
pretty based though

>>28352957
the idiot is fucking and legit made me stop acting retarded as a teenager, which is saying a lot

>>28353050
just read it, you'll be a different man in the end. Trust me on this one, fren

If you want to skip to the end:
https://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

>>28352149
obligatory response for a fellow anon on a thread that archived

Schopenhauer:
'He who has not mastered the Kantian philosophy, whatever else he may have studied, is, as it were, in a state of innocence; that is to say, he remains in the grasp of that natural and childish realism in which we are all born, and which fits us for everything possible, with the single exception of philosophy. Such a man then stands to the man who knows the Kantian philosophy as a minor to a man of full age.'

Sergey loving Schopenhauer makes me more bullish on LINK than ever. You guys have no idea.

>>28355897
the 90s were the best time to make russian doomer. the country was broken, theft and corruption was at its peak, the mafia practically run the economy. my parents were gone by then thankfully.

>>28352957
TSZ is unbelievably difficult and you shouldn't try to reading it until you've read loads of Nietzsche, Kant, Plato etc. It's Nietzsche's most difficult work by far. If you do, buy Stanley Rosen's commentary as a guide, because you'll fucking need one.

On Nietzsche and Jung, a quote from MMiSoaS Ch.2. which shows the Nietzsche influence:

"Our mistake would lie in supposing that what is radiant no longer exists because it has been explained from the shadow side. This is a regrettable error into which Freud himself has fallen. Yet the shadow belongs to the light as the evil belongs to the good, and vice versa. [...] Nothing influences our conduct less than do intellectual ideas. But when an idea is the expression of psychic experience which bears fruit in regions as far separated and as free from historical relation as East and West, then we must look into the matter closely. For such ideas represent forces that are beyond logical justification and moral sanction; they are always stronger than man and his brain. Man believes indeed that he moulds the ideas, but in reality they mould him and make him their unwitting mouthpiece."

>>28355953
im reading all the dostoevsky books. my only regret is getting C&P from the library instead of buying it and starting a collection . i've already read it halfway through so im not gonna stop.

>>28354987
you're the first person I've seen in years talking about that nigga and his dialogues have made such an impression on me that I've read them twice and still know some passagens by heart

>>28356072
This is the third time this week I've read a tract about how human beings perception of the world is limited by our organs. I hadn't experienced it much before now. Is this synchronicity?

I've been monitoring this thread the whole time and I'm the guy OP was replying too. I don't know where to start, as in book 1. What do you anons think?

>>28356128
ive read beyond good &evil and that one was way more digestable while explaining some similar concepts .

thanks for the commentary rec, definately looking into that

>>28356212
no worries, when you make it, you'll get one of those collector's editions. my post was telling you to read the Upanishads though. best use of my past neet months

>>28352402
I find it really interesting how Schopenhauer is able to outline his philosophical positions using metaphors from his knowledge of physics, chemistry, etc., and the conclusion of "The World as Will and Representation" involves him essentially evoking a synthesis between the "pure reason" of mathematical science and "pure consciousness" of ancient Indian philosophy - the same connections that wind up being made a little over a century later by scientists who develop quantum mechanics and atomic theory. Despite the comparatively limited knowledge of the natural world at the time, Schopenhauer intuitively understood that the act of observation affected the outcome - or more specifically in his philosophical context, the act of adjusting one's perspective on the world also changes the "representation" as it appears.

>>28356322
Schopenhauer:
"Kant's teaching produces a fundamental change in every mind that has grasped it. This change is so great that it may be regarded as an intellectual rebirth. It alone is capable of really removing the inborn realism which arises from the original disposition of the intellect... In consequence of this, the mind undergoes a fundamental undeceiving, and thereafter looks at all things in another light. But only in this way does a man become susceptible to the more positive explanations I have to give."

"The effect [Kant's] words produce in the mind to which they really speak is very like that of an operation for cataract on a blind man."

>>28356434
lmao I actually screenshotted OPs list because it seemed pretty based so ill be reading ecerything there + all Dostoevsky .

Im actually South asian descended but have never read South Asian literature, so thats gonna be interesting

>>28356119
thats pretty interesting. What is your families opinion on the USSR and do you guys think russia is better off now with capitalism ?

>>28356322
https://youtu.be/P-2P3MSZrBM
Recomended, anon

heres more russian doomerwave:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BASEDkG5VMhp8&ab_channel=illismi

Man and his symbols from Jung is also great

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BASEDkG5VMhp8&ab_channel=illismi

>>28356072
Reading Kant is like trying to solve a fucking 5x5 rubix cube. Brilliant insights but incredibly dense reading. Often had to re-read a paragraph from pages before due to a reference to a "former" who's definition I have already forgotten in the introduction of six new predicates.

>>28353662
read Anna Karenina too and obviously War and Peace

>>28351206
based asf
didnt read the 2 last ones

>>28353050
>The Last Question
gaotu

>>28357215
>Anna Karenina
ive heard tolstoy is a lot denser and harder to get into compared to Dostoevsky. any truth to that in your opinion ?

>>28357166
Even philosophers of genius like Karl Popper have said that they didn't understand Kant until they read Schopenhauer's corrections and clarifications to Kant. Only then were they able to go back into Kant and see what he meant.

>>28351206
THIS RETARD THINKS HES IN LIT
ahahahahahahahaAHAHAHHAA

>>28351206
>(((The higher we soar the smaller we appear to those who cannot fly.)))

>(((I am a forest, and a night of dark trees: but he who is not afraid of my darkness, will find banks full of roses under my cryptos.)))

>(((And once you are awake, you shall remain awake eternally.)))

Nietzsche is legend based;

>>28353684
>>28353785
No problem fren

>>28356601
I'm a white western european and I almost converted to hindusim after reading the upanishads and some of the vedas. I still value them a lot, and I've read the Bhagavad Ghita some 10 times now

>>28357082
fuck i dont know why its being gay.. heres the link just copy paste.. but without i doubt best KINO song of all time -Spokoynaya Noch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BASEDkG5VMhp8&ab_channel=illismiillismi

>>28357325
Not at all AK was the first Russian novel I ever read and I loved it. Tolstoy is generally a more fluid writer and has more structure along with more grounded characters than Dostoevsky. War and Peace is a harder read however, you should read TBK and AK before tackling it.

>>28356831
Well my parents both despise communism and are basically Fox News-kinda boomers so you know the answer. They don't think the culture in Russia has evolved enough for democracy to function as well as in the West. My take on it is the culture hasn't evolved to that level but that has a lot to do with the geographic position and history of Russia. Russia was not prepared to transition from the USSR and something else other than the "capitalism" we think of replaced it.

>>28357082
based and you're a feet man.

>>28357531
and the first Jung to read?

>>28357544
>convert to hinpooism
>ever
disgusting. ancient aryans were undoubtedly based. theres almost nothing left of their actual belief in modern hinduism(which is a dravidian corruption) . if anything, buddhism has much more of the original wisdom

>>28351206
who had pdf downloads?

This thread is full of wankers

>>28357720
Yeah my take is that Gorbachev was at least trying to transition slowly , but then Yeltsin and his company of oligarchs completely fucked up any chance of a smooth transition.
>you're a feet man
another thing great about russian girls... got to say , you're lucky

>>28358143
yeah I don't know why but Russian girls really do got good feet genetics. If you read the original thread though you would know that I am far from a lucky man...

This thread reaks of the ramblings of Edmund. That guy is the biggest fucking clown in crypto. Imagine a teenager with angst never grew up and was still a teenager in his twenties. Well that's Edmund.

>>28357325
I like Tolstoy better than Dostoevsky. Tolstoy weaves a lot of characters and storylines together, whereas Dostoevsky is sparser and more minimalist, but it's all very readable and vivid.

>>28358421
You losers had to read them on your shit Uni degrees and now work at McDonalds. Do you talk about these novels while manning the fryer?

>>28358647
you don't know what true wealth is and so you dwell in poverty without knowing it

>>28352436
Jungian psychology is the aryan answer to jewish Freudian filth

>>28358383
>>28358647
here's a (You)

>>28358891
same to you

>>28358647
>Losers read books.
Ok, retard.

>>28359227
Losers read pretentious books so they can appear intelligent.

>>28355071
Well clearly he maintained them considering he never married, and it's naive to think that you can keep your personal values "logically independent" of your philosophy, because your values are your philosophy. I believe it was Nietzche who claimed that philosophers are really just writing memoirs.

>>28351206
Chad version of OPs list

Sun and Steel - Yukio Mashima
Finally Some Good News - Delicious Tacos
Bronze Age Mindeset - Bronze Age Pervert
Harassment Architecture - Mike Ma

>>28359435
>midwits call things they don't understand pretentious

>>28359883
Q?

>>28355757
I'm genuinely surprised I've found a person of this level of intellect on /biz/. Granted, I'm normally posting Pepes, and casting racist and anti-semitic remarks here for the lulz, but I'm really impressed by you.

I wish you all the best in the future, anon. Really do.

I recommend reading "Schopenhauer as an Educator" by Nietzsche. It changed my life.

>>28359435
What's pretentious about Tolstoy, genius?

>>28358891
I'm curious, what is the true wealth that we are missing?

>>28359823
You don't know what 'logically independent' means and you also don't seem to recognize what the fact-value distinction is. Values don't come into play in matters of fact. The optimist says the glass is half full, the pessimist says it's half empty, but if I ask both of them the volume of liquid in the glass they will give the same answer. I love Nietzsche but Nietzsche was a Schopenhauer worshiper in his formative years and even after his later rejection of Schopenhauer's philosophy he remained heavily under its influence until his death.

>>28355757
I don't know that he's necessarily advanced beyond Schopenhauer, but you might find some of Bernardo Kastrup's ideas to be interesting

Notes from underground and Demons

>>28358289
yeah from what i read your a bit of a mentalcel and autist. who isnt on this godamn asian cartoon forum. am i getting it right?
Im also extremely neurotic and its fucked up multiple chances i could have had with girls

>>28359883
gay dweeb reading list

>>28360355
thanks I will check it out.

>>28361423
If you ever find yourself in the midst of utter depression and despair, it is a beautiful piece of writing to turn to.

Also, buy LINK.

>>28359883
>brainlet tier fan fiction
not gonna make it ...

>>28361628
>buy LINK
I'm already LINK'ed to the gills lol. can never have too many though

>>28361849
>>28361628
how can you guys read Nietzsche and Kant yet fall for meme coins

sorry, but true ubermench know that anything but BTC is a pump and dump

>>28356561
On the dot. I find my self impressed by how intelligent /biz/raelis like you are. Nice.

>>28361190
yeah pretty much, I guess most of us are fucked in some way or another

Mine is so bad I've had two instances were girls flirted with me (I didn't even realize it at the time, both good looking and spoke Russian) and I was told by others that they liked me but I was so anxious and pessimistic about my personality that I didn't bother asking them out anyhow.

>>28362215

>>28356322
More likely frequency illusion.

>>28351748
Crime and Punishment and The Possessed are better

>>28358092
Just one

>>28362754
damn thats gotta sting.. similar situation where a girl was literally texting me that i should come over to her dorm and i was like "nah i got an exam" ... for me its overthinking things and afraid to mess what i got ( in this case a girls interest) while i'm ahead,causing me to do fuck all ... which inevitably blows it.
>>28363054
keked

>>28355468
>pedo fiction
In all serioussness, nabakov is pretty based but you gotta read the classics of russian lit first

Is there a way to save this thread to view after its archived or deleted? Some solid recommendations given here that I want to come back to

>>28363330
crime and punishment the possessed are both superlative works of literature. Easily amongst the top 20 works of all time. Brothers Karamazov is a further step than both. It relates theology to the morality and ethics of crime and punishment. Theology is a step above philosophy. As someone who has a Phd in Biochem and J.D. (top 20 school) I do patent law ( in b4 anyone wonders why),, I've read a lot, and science and law is easier to read. My dad has a phd in theology and the level of thinking that goes into it, it's above my ability to be constructive. I can only appreciate.

>>28356128
You can read TSZ for the prose alone (at least in German, not sure how well it translates). You probably won't understand shit though.

>>28364152
I tried reading Don Quijote after C&P. Talk about opposites lol.
What would you recommend from Dosto next? I've read C&P BK and NFU

>>28356561
Interesting reflection, thanks for sharing.

>>28356128
I agree with you on this. I made the mistake of trying to tackle Thus Spake Zarathustra as my first philosophical exploration following C&P. I remember the first time trying to read it, and understanding full well how little of the meaning I was extracting from the words on the page. Put it down shortly after the tightrope scene and moved onto Nietzsche's more accessible work. Have since come back to it so many times I've lost count, and still finding subtle gems of knowledge in between the lines. The meaning truly can't be appreciated without the context. Plenty of aphoristic references to Greek, Roman, monastic and eastern philosophy/history which are missed without a priori knowledge, as well as the work of Kant, Schopenhauer, Schiller, Hegel etc. Nietzsche never stoops down to bring the reader along with him, he expects them to catch up on their own. Once you get "on his level", the humor is no longer lost and it feels almost like a conversation with a good friend.