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>Current value in USD
https://dogevalue.com/
>Current value in sats
https://www.binance.com/en/trade/DOGE_BTC
>Does Dogecoin have an infinite supply?
https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/8dcoa8/dogecoin_does_not_have_an_inflationary_model_we/

• NEWS:
>MasterCard will accept crypto
https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/mastercard-allow-cryptocurrencies-use-payments-network-2021-2-1030071595
>Tesla just bought $1.5b worth of BTC.
https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000156459021004599/tsla-10k_20201231.htm
>KuCoin soon to adopt DOGE
https://twitter.com/KuCoinModerator/status/1356518137236086784
>Crunchyroll accepts DOGE
https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/lb8wme/its_true_you_can_now_pay_for_crunchyroll_with_doge/
>PornHub and Chaturbate accepts DOGE
https://www.unilad.co.uk/technology/pornhub-now-accepting-dogecoin-after-card-payment-ban/
>Dogecoin will be added to the Flare Network soon.
https://ambcrypto.com/flare-networks-to-integrate-doge-ahead-of-mainnet-launch/

• EXCHANGES
Binance
Binance.us
Bittrex
Kraken
Probit
Poloniex
Uphold
Exodus

• WALLETS
Dogecoin Wallet (Android)
Exodus Wallet (Android/iPhone/PC)
Ledger
Trezor
https://dogecoin.com/getting-started/

• FINE ESTABLISHMENTS ACCEPTING DOGECOIN
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/doge/
>Crunchyroll
https://www.crunchyroll.com
>PornHub
https://www.pornhub.com
>Chaturbate
https://www.chaturbate.com
>Kronos Advanced Technologies
https://twitter.com/KronosATI/status/1356287308278845440
>4chan autist fund
DP4SrKX2xETSK9cUzCq6W8Hg7ZeHA71GNy

• ENDORSEMENTS
>Elon Musk
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1357241340313141249
>Snoop Doge
https://twitter.com/SnoopDogg/status/1358141965930426368
>Mia Khalifa
https://twitter.com/miakhalifa/status/1358224774887952384
>Gene Simmons
https://twitter.com/genesimmons/status/1357873901758390272
>Kevin Jonas
https://twitter.com/kevinjonas/status/135822169021654631

>> No.28552043

Doggy

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>>28551915
SHOW ME UR HODL FACE

>> No.28552062

nigger

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>>28551915
whoever is baking this shit is retarded. we cant organize here. theres like 10 people max that post here at any one time.

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OOOOOOOOOOO

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>>28552051

>> No.28552207

sminem please grant us your power

>> No.28552226

Spread op post pic on normie social media boys

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Do it. I want to see results tommorow.

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Im ready to laugh at the pink wojacks. Ill make sure to buy your bags.

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oh man i really hope dogecoin reaches $1..
i really need money to pay for my foreskin restoration surgery and for my son's circumcision

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>>28552051

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Bobo hasn't eaten all day

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We need to get more normies on board. I took some of your feedback and made some non robinhood versions.

>Kraken version

>> No.28552418

>>28552388
good

>> No.28552428

>>28552327
day of the harpoon comming anon :)

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>>28552388
go away bobo
this is the year of the bull

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>>28552403
>KuCoin version

>> No.28552515

>>28552388
>Checked
good work anon

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Shit I posted this too late into the last thread. reposting
I was counting on green, but when red Happened I pulled out
Made 30$ overall. Could have made more, possibly closer to 100$ if I didn’t try to swing.
Now that it’s back at .07 I put in an amt I don’t care to lose anymore. I put way too much energy & man hours looking at my phone just to make that 30$ bros. Like I probably only generated 30$ last week.
Also the stack I pulled out was put partially into algo xmr & xrp which gave me a nice lil stock doin sumn Shawnda mhmm
Thanks for reading my blog post but I think I learned a lesson abt greed or sumn u can reflect on it

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>>28552498
>Bittrex version

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>>28552388

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>>28552051

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>>28552591
>Poloniex version

Last one. Ive never even heard of this one. Any other big sites ive missed?

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>>28552388
and i'll keep it that way cunt

>> No.28552733

>>28552662
do we got binance?

>> No.28552740

>>28552555
Also I’m thinking of selling my suicide schitzo stack of xrp & moving out of my mothers basement this month. I almost don’t care if it moons afterwards I just want to live alone.

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>>28552722
Checked and based

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>>28552051

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>>28552733
Yep. That was the first one i did after robinhood.

>> No.28552975

>>28552722
is that a fatas?

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>>28552051

>> No.28553051

TWEET ELON GIVE US LOVE

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>>28552051

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>>28553097
Not so fast bobo

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>>28553097

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>>28553097
not today bobo

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He's holding? Pump it.

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>>28553322

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>>28553097
Hunting season

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>>28552051

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>>28552051

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>>28553097

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>>28551915
>>28541507
The numbers in Yellow (pic rel)is how they manipulate the books , we just have to do the same 5 mins before they do .

we dont buy is large blocks we set limit buys and sells to create our own wave varying .001 of cent . buying and selling in 11 doge increments . so instead of 1 110 doge order i would make 10 11 doge orders .
This is how the dips and tops are held ,

>>28552090
i think were going to need twitter

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>>28552051

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>We're back at 0.07

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>>28552090
>>28553821

Reddit is unironically the best platform to organise this

>> No.28554150

okay well. i dont think its gonna reach .0811 for a long time. so i need to make my money back. i put in 2k and im down 2 hundred dollars, so im gonna put in 1000 more next dump and sell in the pump so i can make my money back and escape this coin.
my question is, next dump, which will likely happen when i'm asleep as per usual, what price should i set my limit buy to?
i think setting it to .065 is reasonable, as it will likely be hit next dump, and almost certainly rise back above .07 again after that. what does /doge/ think

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>>28553981
well dont look at me im not retarded or gay enough to do it.

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28554228

You guys want another boost?

>> No.28554284

>>28554228
Sure

>> No.28554309

>>28554228
elon please pump on valentines day.

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>>28554150
Yes.

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What's going on in this thread?

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We're gonna get dragged down back into bot land. I really don't understand what's the point in killing all momentum. These fags can gain so much more if they stop doing this. They're going to kill the coin

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>>28554309
I'll be pumpin on Valentine's day all right

>> No.28554499

When doge hit .061 last night, I swallowed a bottle of aspirin and thumbed my flaccid cock into an outlet, but I forgot to take the rubber dildo out of my asshole, so the shock didn't kill me . . .

my mom drove me to the hospital, she even stopped at McDonald's on the way, but I was too suicidal to enjoy my tendies. She says I lost consciousness while playing in the ball pit . . . I almost died

But I didn't die. I came to the next morning and immediately checked Binance. Doge, back from the dead, just like me! I was so happy, I tore the catheter out of my penis and ran home on all fours, my heavy balls crawling with millions of horny spermatozoa

anyway, I'm going to blow my brains out with mom's pistol if doge doesn't break 10 cents tonight

>> No.28554564

>>28554150
I don't give advice to cowards

>> No.28554595

What is the tldr on Uphold? I get BAT there and it's where I can buy doge.

>> No.28554636

>>28554499
God bless you anon

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>>28554451

Fuck whales and fuck niggers.

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>>28554499

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>>28554499

>> No.28554789

>>28554150
how am i cowardly? im trying to pump doge even more so i can offset my loss, learn from the mistake, and make even more doge money. i just won't panic buy during crabbing again.

>> No.28554818

>>28553467
What does Pot of Greed do?

>> No.28554863

What if we just get together and all send a bunch of orders to buy DOGE for 200 satoshi? Not a lot of coins mind you, minimum ammount possible, but loads and loads of buy orders at the same time. Could that fuck the bots and trick them into raising the floor?

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>>28554726
if this is porn gimme sauce RIGHT FUCKING NOW holy shit that ass and thighs combo is getting me going

>> No.28554887

>>28554451
all this is neccessary, trust me. just hold. youll see. youll all see.

>> No.28554901

>>28554870
agreed
sauce nao

>> No.28554921

>>28554863
we can hold tops and dips this way but needs large volume to move it up or down .

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>>28554658
I'm getting really close to just taking my profits, and leaving anon. These fucking parasite niggers are sucking the life out of this thing hardcore. We could've been at a steady .10 by now easily if it wasn't for them.

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Please pumpy. :'(

>> No.28555044

>>28554948
and the normies would of run and we be left holding bags for another shit coin

>> No.28555065

>>28554863
I honestly don't know why /biz/ doesn't utilize weaponised autism like /pol/ on a daily basis to make ez $$$

>> No.28555096

Just got off the phone with Elon he's got it under control boys

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>>28555044
BRO IF I HAVE TO SIT HERE STARING AT THIS FUCKING .069 FOR ANOTHER DAY I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL SOMEONE

>> No.28555154

>>28554921
>>28555065

Hence why I said get together. Everyone agrees to send a bunch of orders at the same time. What matters won't be how much DOGE is bought but how many individual orders go out at the same time.

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>>28555096
/biz/ is losing hope?

Pump it.

>> No.28555279

Its incredible how, besides the amount of support this shitty coin has gotten, it got stuck. Admit it, if you didn't cashed out over 8 cents you fucked up

>> No.28555310

>>28555201
You think last night was a dump? Fifteen minutes, the real dump is coming up.

>> No.28555353

>>28555279
ye i fucked up. still made 300$ profit but it could have been larger

>> No.28555359

>>28555201
>Shills DOGE
>Purchases millions Bitcoin instead
heh, nothing personnel incels

>> No.28555392
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28555392

DOGE is getting shorted by faggots. There is a group of complete faggots that do not like Elon.
Jealousy is the main motivation.

>> No.28555395

>>28551915
I know what the plan is, Elon is my 3rd cousins boss. 1 DOGE will be pegged to 1 Martian dollar.

>> No.28555426

THIS STUPID FUCKING COIN IS NOT GOING UP FUCKING SHIT FUCKING COIN IM GONNA KILL MYSELF IF THIS SHIT DOESNT GO UP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>28555359
>Purchases millions Bitcoin instead

He bought them in mid Jan retard

>> No.28555461

>>28555279
>>28555310

The pajeets are back. I feel a pump coming.

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>>28555279

>stabilized
>hurf durf it got stuck

You're just mad it didn't crash when you gave up shitposter-kun.

>> No.28555486

>>28555154
make this shit like bacon deluxe cheese burger, order more

>> No.28555504

Imagine waking up one day and seeing Tesla accepting doge.

>> No.28555512

Looks like people are trying to get the price low to buy it up.

>> No.28555578

>>28555486
Making a little image macro on this. Gonna set the date to Sunday on mid day.

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No, it's just bitter clingers and whales fleecing you as you go down.

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All the gains from earlier completely erased.

>> No.28555606

Robinhood restricting doge again

>> No.28555656

>>28555153
Don't worry you won't it's gona go down.

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> he actually bought back in

>> No.28555736

>>28555461
Dude you don't realise you get played by whales?
Or you're that new to crypto?

>> No.28555776

>>28555603
I really really REALLY like this gif.

>> No.28555796

>>28555392
Elons rugrat is chewing on his iPhone

>> No.28555819

>>28555606
Can confirm this.

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>>28555736

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>>28555603

>Buying Doge halted on RH.........AGAIN

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>>28555726
Architect have mercy

>> No.28555878

trust the plan doods
elon is gonna make us all rich and no one will lose out

>> No.28555976

>>28555878
if the richest man in the world is advocating for something like doge I cannot think of a reason not to hold

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Do not reply to street shitters.

>> No.28556049

>>28555976
he's not, he finds it amusing that you weiners keep buying into it only to get pumped and dumped relentlessly. At this point whales are making millions off of you every hour.

>> No.28556054

Panic sellers will drop it to .065

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>>28555878

If the richest man in the world makes a coin his pet plaything, I sure ain't fucking selling. There's a reason for it.

>> No.28556108

>>28555606
Yup

>> No.28556133

>>28554726
>>28554870
>>28554901
Give us the sauce, fag

>> No.28556182

>>28555606
>>28555819
Why do you think? Do they give a reason?

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>>28556049
>he finds it amusing that you weiners keep buying into it only to get pumped and dumped

The leviathan wallet remains untouched retard

>> No.28556201

I suck too hard at photoshop, gonna just make a post here and we can just screenshot it

>> No.28556214

>>28555431
Cope and delusion, sure thig memes will make you rich retard
>>28555482
Wtf are you on about? i already made gains over the gains Doge gave me, i could easily acquire now double of the Doge coins i started with, but i wont, you know what? because that ship already sailed, retard OP spewed for weeks that
every next friday we will be reaching ATH, but hey is your money, just dont put on it any amount that money that you can't affor to lose.
>>28555461
Whiter than you burger mutt

>> No.28556235

>>28555606
>Robinhood restricting doge again

How long does this last? Some anon said it happens daily for 20mins. But its been longer than that now?

>> No.28556279

>>28556189
That shit is the RH wallet
i.e. the piggy bank for all the whales

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HOLD

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>>28554818
IT LETS YOU DRAW TWO CARDS FROM YOUR DECK

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>>28554726
>>28554870
>>28554901
>>28556133

>> No.28556393

>>28555976
He has been trolling with Doge for more than one year now...

>> No.28556404

>>28556354
and?

>> No.28556408
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>>28556133
>>28554901
BROS I FOUND IT
uehara ai hnd 181
enjoy. and for my efforts, tell me: what is the best price to set my limit buy tonight? .064? i feel like that may be too low but other friday dumps have been equally severe

>> No.28556473

>>28556279
Then why is it only increasing and not decreasing?

>> No.28556517

>>28556408
The absolute lad

>> No.28556558

Some guy just sold 500k doge.

>> No.28556584

Last chance to sell for anything resembling real profit, boys.

>> No.28556639

>>28556408
0.066

>> No.28556642

>>28556279
except its not you retard nothing goes out

>> No.28556663
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>>28556584
>Last chance to sell for anything resembling real profit, boys.

>> No.28556694

We back

>> No.28556743
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28556743

>>28556584

>> No.28556756

>>28556663
bitch pussy
i am not indian
nigger bitch fuck

>> No.28556812

>>28556756
you are

>> No.28556817
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>>28555656

I hope you're right because I've made my mind up. If we're still at .069 by Monday I'm taking my profits, and leaving. I pray this shit nosedives into the dirt, and the remaining whales end up blowing their brains out for losing everything out of greed. If we're above .069 I'll stay.

>> No.28556829
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28556829

>>28556756

>> No.28556837

Is Uphold any good? I'm not sure what to use.

>> No.28556845

>>28556756
then why do you smell like poo?

>> No.28556883

>>28556756
shit in the street

>> No.28556892

>>28556845
Why are you a racist?

>> No.28556918
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>>28556756
>bitch pussy
>nigger bitch fuck
Don't you have a street to shit in?

>> No.28556960

>>28556892
nigger this is 4chan, racist is the default setting

>> No.28556967
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28556967

So here is the deal: Bot traders and whales are currently cornering the DOGE trade with their trade. They keep undulating on a narrow window, selling high and buying low on a range of only a few hundredths of a cent to make money over time. The only way the market can move is if there is a massive push on either direction, as that will make the bots take a step back and readjust.

We must crush the bots currently plaguing the system. For this I propose a coordinated pump to up the price with coordinated buy orders. We shall all get together to send orders to buy at a high price at a specific time. "But won't I lose money doing that anon?" You would if you are stupid. The point isn't to get people to buy hundreds of dollars of Doge, the point is to trick the bots into believing there has been a shift in the market itself. You are gonna buy a tiny amount, hell buy as little as you possibly can on this higher price, to increase the volume of orders with the higher number.

We all place orders for Doge at 200 satoshi at 2000 GMT on the 13th of February. Again: These orders should be small, either minimum allowed buy or a single coin, doesn’t matter. It’s not meant to be a serious purchase, it’s not about the amount of DOGE being bought, it’s about how many buy requests come on that price. Hell, send multiple orders at that price. Instead of buying 1000 DOGE at 200 satoshi send a order to buy 50 at 200 satoshi 20 times for example.

We start this push this all at once and the system will detect a retarded sudden jump. The Bots will panic and try to predict what happens next so they will either buy more doge at 200 and set sell orders at higher, leading to profit, or they will drop their bags trying to sell and push the new floor for DOGE to 195 satoshi or up.

Good luck fellow shibas. We counting on you.

>> No.28556970
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>>28556584

This is the 3rd time you've said this today fudcunt

>> No.28556980

>>28556918
at least india has culture unlike america
all fat fucking faggots

>> No.28557055
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>>28556756
Lovely family photo you got there anon

>> No.28557070

>>28556980
>you will never be white
seethe more

>> No.28557145

>>28556980
kek actual fucking pajeet,these words reek of shit,go take you and your whole callcenter to reddit you shitskin currynigger

>> No.28557154

>>28556817
Whales losing everything?
Don't worry about them, they know how it works.
They proved it once again tonight.

>> No.28557163

>>28557055
Hello kek support?

>> No.28557172
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28557172

>>28556756
POO IN LOO
O
O

I
N

L
O
O

>> No.28557186

>>28556967
How does this sound? Decent enough to spread? Did I explain simply enough for sub 80 IQ wagies to understand?

>> No.28557207
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28557207

>>28556980

>> No.28557228
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>>28556967
Nice. Is this copy and pasted from reddit? Link?

>> No.28557232

>>28557145
fuck you
i am not indian - you are racist idiots investing in a dumb meme with no use because of tarot card readings and elon musk

>> No.28557312

>>28557232
Hhheehe pajeet go frrrrrrrrt

>> No.28557316

>>28557228
No I just made it myself. Tried posting a earlier version on a older thread but no one cared.

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>>28557232

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>>28557232
hahaha dumb nigger noone cares go to reddit you will never be a woman,also sneed

>> No.28557350

>>28553322
Nice digits

>> No.28557357

>>28556756
>ESL
oh no no no

>> No.28557380

>>28557232
you should really read what your pedo pariah said about your position in the world. even ghandi knew you are below us, deal with it, shitskin

>> No.28557388
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28557388

>>28551915

So, since Elon hasn't tweeted, and there's no other real coordinated effort going on, what explains todays pump? I can't just be random people buying suddenly.

>> No.28557429

>>28556967
Dogecoin will reach $1 by EOY
That said, this kind of reddit-tier clubhouse “it’s the people’s effort” type shitposting has to stop.

We don’t want it to be looked at as imaginary reddit credit given value through the power of friendship. We want it on Coinbase. We want it on Twitch. We want it on TV explaining it to boomers as the checking account to the savings account that is Bitcoin.

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>>28556892
>>28556980
>>28557232

cousin fucking street shiting callcenter curry eating cow worshiping brown skin. stop shilling your shit coins and FUDing put your rupees into the doge and hold. or neck yourself and make the world a better place. all the women in your village are hairy and ugly as fuck. you are of low caste and will always be a pajeet servent. go pray to your 300 gods.

>> No.28557449

>>28552722
Le heckin bugaloo boy xD

>> No.28557471

>>28557186
Intriguing notion

>> No.28557516

>>28557388
it's whales making you lose money
every time

>> No.28557522
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28557522

so in 30 minuets then ? 11 doge each , no more no less , lets see what we can do . lets see what data we can generate .

>> No.28557578
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28557578

>>28557316
>No I just made it myself. Tried posting a earlier version on a older thread but no one cared.

Its perfect. But unfortunately it needs to blow up on reddit. It literally wont do anything in this shithole that is /biz/.

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>>28557516

I haven't lost any money. So it can't be that.

>> No.28557724

>>28557429
>Implying those things are mutually exclusive

Dogecoin needs everything thrown at it at the beginning to get the ball rolling.

>> No.28557732

>>28557388
I saw this boomer woman's post (on nextdoor) asking where to buy dogecoin. Aside from that influx, I think people are trying to buy low rn.

>> No.28557763

>>28557578
Feel free to steal and post there

>> No.28557850

OP HERE
LETS ORGANIZE A BUY
7:30PM EST WE ALL BUY $5 IN DOGE
REPLY TO THIS IF YOU'RE IN

>> No.28557903

>>28557444
based

>> No.28557943

>>28557850
ACTUALLY MAKE IT $10

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>>28556892
Why aren't you?

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28557970

>>28557763
>Feel free to steal and post there

Unfortunately i do not use Reddit (never thought id actually ever say that).

>> No.28557979

>>28557850
sur

>> No.28558055
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28558055

Reminder that Musk's tweets have created a false vacuum in Doge, due to it's inflationary market.
If Musk stops tweeting Doge fights to fall back to as low as possible,

>> No.28558072

When is day of the harpoon bros?

>> No.28558112
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28558112

Reminder that dogecoin peaked on the 7th and we are now on a downtrend to $0.01.

>> No.28558116

DUMP INCOMING
SELL NOW AND BUY BACK IN LATER

>> No.28558126

Coinbase decides to support it, market cap gives it some legitimacy, companies start to accept payments in dogecoin for marketing purposes, just watch, it will hit $1 by the end of next month, $3-4 by the end of the year, dubs confirm

>> No.28558265

>>28558116
Source?

>> No.28558280

>>28556756
Hahahaha pajeet confirmed

>> No.28558282

>>28557850
All you're doing is telling people when to sell

>> No.28558292

>>28558055
Reminder that this isn't an ordinary coin.
There's a long term plan for it otherwise there wouldn't be shit like the Leviathan out there who can crash it on a whim(and even if they did crash it they would be fucking themselves over) and you're retarded to sell it.

>> No.28558300

>>28558126

whoops

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>>28558300

>> No.28558335

>>28558116

pajeet do you realize how many of your gods will punish you for this? just for that i am eating 12 hamburgers.

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>>28558112
>260 sat is the extend of Musk's power that's when the inflationary market becomes more powerful than his tweets

>> No.28558376

>>28558112
>literally following the exact same pattern it followed after the first peak
>i-i-it's dumping you guise!
Getting more and more desperate, Sanjay.

>> No.28558385

>>28558055
>>28558112
ok derek pajeeter..that's enough.

>> No.28558400

>>28558055
The growing-by-the-day adoption of DOGE as a payment method by small and large businesses has spread quite far already and it seems like the popularity is only increasing, even if that is not reflected in its monetary value

>> No.28558419

>>28558282
Ugh, I know. I thought the same.
We need whales to make a change.
Hence why trust in the leviathan.

>> No.28558422

>>28558282
>>28557850


11 dogecoins each , its a good number for this and no one is at risk of pnd each other at larger numbers , were looking for amount of buys right now not volume , we wanna see if we can send a trigger to the bots , like hacking its signal.

>> No.28558436

>>28558385
>pajeeter
Pajeeta, price of all curry

>> No.28558439

>>28558300

now i get dubs huh

>> No.28558516

>>28558385
kek

>> No.28558527

>>28558126
>>28558300
>>28558334
nice

>> No.28558543

>>28558439
You can have mine

>> No.28558587

>>28558422
Ok
11 COINS IT IS BOYS
730pm EST

>> No.28558599

>>28551915
lol its past peak

>> No.28558637

>>28558300
It doesnt need a market cap. If its to be used as a currency and has the mining capped to 5Billion coins a year, even with that amount of mining, the price still wouldnt keep up with inflation on the dollar. Cap would only serve to create artificial value like bitcoin, wouldnt really be usable as a currency because people would buy huge amounts and hold them, pricing everyone out of using it day to day.

>> No.28558665

OP HERE
11 COIN PURCHASE AT 730PM
LETS FUCK WITH THE BOTS
Maybe something happens with the volume of purchases

>> No.28558726
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28558726

Watch for a big dump around 8PST or so... 0.58

>> No.28558748

>>28556235
It happens every day but this was a separate instance after the usual one

>> No.28558840

>>28558292
What is that long term plan?
Doge isn't a long term coin, at least not at a high price. Long term short price, sure.
>Not a normal coin
You're right. Doge has a massively inflationary market which means it's not viable as a long term currency at a high value.
>>28558385
>haha if I call everyone who disagrees with me a pajeet they can never hurt me XDD
Keep ignoring what's right in front of your face.
>>28558400
If the popularity is increasing, why is the price steadily decreasing?
It's very simple. The higher the price of Doge is, the faster it's price will fall.
The lower the price of doge is, the faster the price will rise.

If musk has a plan, it's one of two things:
>Get another huge celeb to shill
Which causes the same thing as the ATH. Massive spike upward, massive spike dowward
OR
>He lets the price fall to a safe range between 0.03-0.04 where the inflation has less weight
>Then he coordinates tweets to spike it back up
There is no long term solution for doge.

Once people realize this, the coin will flop faster than a dead dog bouncing off the concrete.

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>>28552051

>> No.28558896
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>> No.28558932

>>28558665
bots arent built to lose, the only way to beat them is to beat the volume. they will maintain the price here until there is major volume that pumps it up to a point where they cant do anything but buy. they dont decrease the price buy crabing. they only normalize it and dump at specific points. you cant kick them out, you cant confuse them you can only make the volume so big that they have less effect. they can micro and macro trade.
>t. bot owner

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>>28558840
>Im gonna poooooooooooooooooooooo

>> No.28558969

>>28558840
>What is that long term plan?
For it to become a currency. Essentially one day it will reach 1 doge to 1 dollar or something in that area.

>at a high value.
If your idea of "high value" is over $2 you don't get the where this coin is supposed to go.

>> No.28559045

Dogecoin is pretty much topped out. Myriadcoin (XMY) is the new Dogecoin. Already up 25% in the last day.

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>>28558896
>mfw i always return the shopping cart

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>Dogecoin is pretty much topped out. Myriadcoin (XMY) is the new Dogecoin. Already up 25% in the last day.

>> No.28559116

>>28558726

Yeah discord trannys willl probably dump.

>> No.28559137

>>28559045
you can always tell when DOGE plateaus in come the Dell customer service reps and the stank of poo

>> No.28559190

Must be a slow day at the scam office today. Lots of poos stinking up the thread.

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>>28552555
tfw no one checks my trips cuz they hate my truth

>> No.28559318
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28559318

4 mins ANONS
11 COIN PURCHASE
GET READY

>> No.28559343
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>>28558376
>the exact same pattern
You can't just look at a graph of it's what it is going for on the market and think it will always repeat. You need to also take into account other external circumstances. For example I have attached a graph of the subscriber count of /r/dogecoin which should act as a rough estimate of how many new users are being attracted to dogecoin every day. The rapid growth you saw before can not be sustained.

>> No.28559397

>>28559251
No, youre retarded. Why would you sell before the weekend is over?

>> No.28559449
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2 mins TO GO BOYS
11 DOGE PURCHASE

>> No.28559460

>>28559318
Nothing will happen today. Or tommorow. The real spike will come Sunday.

>> No.28559473

>>28558840
Wow you put a lot of work into that nothingburger.

>> No.28559555

>>28559318
Would if I could rn

>> No.28559558

>>28558960
> i'm gonna be delusional

>> No.28559594

>>28558932
for instance, if someone dumps 2mil in 30 minutes the bots dont react to that by buying. they react by doing nothing. they simply do small intgers like +1% or +2% no bot on its own can normalize the price. it is competitive bots that do that. the other 3 bots are expecting the same thing to happen when a price moves. thats why they all buy at once and cause those big spikes but its normalized within a range. the range is decided by whole numbers thats why its sticking at 7 right now. if you cause a movement shift and throw them off they just normalize at the next number until a whale dumps at one of those big pay walls you see. only a massive amount of movement is going to push it higher or lower. the bots are good for normalization of the price but thats pretty much it. they are not meant to decide whether it is 7 or 8 or 9. turning all the bots off can actually crash the crypto.

>> No.28559613
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>>28558969
Do you really not know how an inflationary market works?
Look at the nights on the graph where there's low volume. Everyone who's selling is a miner, the price goes down at a very steady rate.
I'm sure someone with a math degree might be able to explain this phenomenon better.

There is a market demand of 10k doge per minute. This is a fact. 10k doge is created per minute. If 10k doge is not purchases per minute the price of doge goes down.
For each minute the demand of doge is under 10k the rate of decay increases exponentially you collapse to a point where the market demand is 10k again.
Then if the market demand drops below 10k again, you repeat.
Look at the fucking graph.

>> No.28559627

>>28559343
>unironically using Reddit subscriptions as a metric to judge the viability of a coin
Sanjay, you're too much.

>> No.28559676

yep, that did nothing lol

>> No.28559681

>>28559318
Dollar Confirmed

>> No.28559706

>>28558126
I hope coinbase wont list it yet.
First, they would have to buy fucktons of DOGE to aquire liquidity (one of the reason RH repaetedly shuts trading down).
My guess would be billions of doge just to have a backbone for trading, then another pump follows from retail after it's listed.
Coinbase alone will propel doge to $0.5-1 .0
But then the train will be far gone. My fellow niggers let's accumulate while it's still possible

>> No.28559736

>>28559558
>> i'm gonna be delusional
>Says the guy that thinks dogecoin will reach $10000

>> No.28559739

>>28559594
bots dump when a critical mass of currency coin reaches a realworld value. say if it could make a $1000 by dumping it would. and it does and you can see some of these bot wallets cashing out at whole number buy outs.

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>>28559473
I'm just trying to educate you retards on what an inflationary market is and how the long term viability of dogecoin is VERY SUS.
Hold, don't hold, sell, buy, I don't care.
Just fucking take the time to THINK FOR YOURSELF.

>> No.28559890

>>28559676
Not a bad way to spend 80c. That's a big 91c eow

>> No.28559900
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By the power of dubs... I declare doge hits 8 cents by days end. Shalakabooooom.


Nigs

>> No.28559925

>>28559676
lol
at least we tried something and i had fun for.77

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28559930

>>28559706
What if Coinbase is the one causing the crabbing?

>> No.28559937

>>28559739
my bot is very shitty and makes negitive money. but the other ones people have scan the internet for events and then adjust their numbers accordingly.

>> No.28559948

>>28559736
lol where did I say that? This coin is on life support, the whales are just letting it down slowly so they can scoop up more money while they do

>> No.28559950

>>28559900
Wtf

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>>28559900
>double dubs
bros....

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>>28559900

>> No.28560002
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The path of the dogecoin man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of bitcoin. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the paper hands through the valley of dips, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost apes. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Doge when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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>>28559900

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>>28559613
Is there anyone around here that really good complex math?
There should be some formula that can predict the rate of decay, based on the current price of doge, and when the collapse should happen.

>> No.28560018

>>28559900
OH SHIT!!!!!!!!

>> No.28560036

>>28559925
>>28559890
You two watching vechain VET gains?
I might have to get in on the next dip desu

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>>28559900

>> No.28560069
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>>28559900

>> No.28560099

>>28559930
plausible explanation

>> No.28560118

>>28559989
TRIPLE DUBS dumbass

>> No.28560133

>>28559900
DORIME AMENO AMENO

>> No.28560169
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>>28559900
CHECKED

>> No.28560183
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>>28559930
The inflationary market is causing the crabbing, retard.
>Miners sell 10k doge every minute

>> No.28560199
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Wait a second guys... do you see this graph? everyone has to buy and hold

>> No.28560209

>>28559137
>make or lose 1-2% as DOGE crabs around 6.7 cents
>make 25% or more as undervalued DOGE-like coins such as DGB, XVG, XMY, etc move up to follow DOGE like they always do
Buy low and sell high is the way to make money. Buying Dogecoin now is doing the opposite.

>> No.28560212

>>28560036
Nah, I'm all long term. I work and doge go brrr. Sometimes shitpost

>> No.28560260
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>>28559900
BLESSED BE DOGEBRO
THANK YOU

>> No.28560264

>>28559900
Nice

>> No.28560274
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>>28560199
Buying and holding REDUCES THE PRICE OF DOGE.
YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT.
DOGE IS INFLATIONARY.

>> No.28560288

>>28559742
duh..doesn't mean it can't keep goin now tho

>> No.28560294
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>>28559900

Uh... Guys....

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>>28560288
What?

>> No.28560368

>>28560274
didnt you see the graph? green means good

>> No.28560416

>>28560274
So is bitcoin for the next 14 years you masssive nigger, kys

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>dont worry bros it will spike tommorrow!
>don't worry bros it will spike sunday!
>dont worry bros it will spike ______!
>__________bros __________!
bros..... i just need it to hit .0811 again....

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I'm willing to bet this shit spikes hard as fuck starting tomorrow or Sunday.
Screenshot this for when I'm right to hold over the FUD and Pajeet kikes heads.

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>>28560368
Only if your arrow points in the right direction.

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>>28559900
What the hell are you?

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>>28560555
>trips

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>>28559900
this better be real, nigger

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>>28560599
dubs

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blessed thread

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>>28559900
Blessed wizardry

>> No.28560774

>>28560416
Bitcoin is not inflationary. It's the opposite of Doge
>When bitcoin is cheap it's really hard to grow value
>When bitcoin is expensive it can exponentially increase

>When doge is cheap it can exponentially increase
>When doge is expensive it exponentially decreases.

This is an EXTREMELY basic concept.

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>>28560700
DUUUUUBBBBBSSS!!!

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>>28560555
>>28560599
>>28560700

>> No.28560891

>>28559627
I am not trying to measure the volatility. I am trying to measure how the rate of new dogecoin buyers changes over time. If you have a better suggestion on how to measure that with daily precision I am open ears.

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>>28554870
>>28554901
>>28556133
Porn isn't good for you Anon's, you're better than this...

>> No.28560935

lotsa dubs itt

>> No.28560944

Can someone tell me, a new fag to biz, what FUDing is?

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>>28560634
How dare you question dubs you dirty kike

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>>28558840

>> No.28561011

>>28560944
It's what delusional people call it when someone in the thread points out that the stock or asset is about to tank.

>> No.28561014

>>28560899
It's good for whoever buys it with Dogecoin on Pornhub.

>> No.28561033

>>28560944
Fear Uncertainty Doubt

>> No.28561110

>>28561033
Ahhhhh now I see what people are talking about, thank you. It’s clear doctrine of poo coloured hands I imagine

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>>28560967
>Kike nose

>Doge and bitcoin are literally the same
Except BTC is not inflationary, and Doge is. That alone is enough.

>> No.28561191

>>28561114
Right? With 10 million mined each hour, the price falls five percent per hour.

>> No.28561200

>>28561114
i swear i go to the dog park with this dog.

>> No.28561267

>>28561110
Yeah but also the discord trannys that cause the 9pm dips.

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>>28560944
>Can someone tell me, a new fag to biz, what FUDing is?

When pajeets attempt to emotionally manipulate you into selling so they can buy at a new low

>> No.28561286

>>28561200
Smart dog if it’s able to write shit on the blue money Reddit

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>>28561114
>>28561191

>> No.28561418

>>28560774
bitcoin inflates at 1.79% per annum, it is inflationary for the next 14 years, only then the supply is capped
your shilling is baseless, sry about missing doge, buy back we are still heading for the dolla

>> No.28561455

>>28559251
>guys the coin might go up or down, see if you guys know dis stuff i saw red and i sold, you guys learning?

gee i wonder why nobody checked your shit, fag.

>> No.28561459

>>28560967
Every play runescape, or any popular MMO?

Ever look at RMT trading sites over time? Ever notice how as the lifespan of a game increases, the value of it's in game currency decreases?

Doge is the ingame currency, except there's no sink to remove the inflation. So it's arguably much worse than an MMO currency.
>>28561200
600k is mined each hour. Puts us at 42k USD added to the market every hour.
That means 42k HAS to be spent every single hour or we lose value.
600k doge has to be purchased AT or above market value to MAINTAIN the current price.
>>28561335
View my MMO argument.

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Just one tweet Elon, I have to empty my bags or I'll miss the GRT train

can't believe I didn't buy more when it was .90

>> No.28561613

>>28561459

Elon Musk is the richest man on Earth. I think he knows a little bit about money, and based on what we know about basement dwelling tendie loving anon here, we can assume Elon knows more than you.

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>>28561462
One tweet won't move us above 0.07. We aren't going above 0.75 again.
We're exiting the peak. The only way left is DOWN

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Someone's trying very hard to pump on Binance with a whole bunch of small BTC buy orders.

>> No.28561699

>>28561459
> 600k is mined each hour. Puts us at 42k USD added to the market every hour.
wrong , this is false implication that all mined doge immediately enters the market

also run the math with bitcoin 800k USD of DOGE is added into market daily, 4million of BTC and 25M of ETH

You're fucked. Whoever pays you for shilling will ask for refund, this is too transparent, and bullish af

>> No.28561762

>>28561418
The fact that 88.7% of all bitcoins have already been mined allows people to speculate on what the price of bitcoin will be in the future.

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>>28561613
So you're just going to blindly follow him because you like him?
You are the definition of an NPC.
>>28561699
Anyone who is mining right now is a retard if they aren't instantly selling.
I would say 95% of all the currency being mined is instantly sold. Where do I get this number, you ask?
The CONSTANT DOWNWARD
TREND OF THE GRAPH.

No one is paying me, I'm just a neet who invested in Doge and can now see the glaring issues of it.

>> No.28561901

>>28561640
What was your take when it dumped hard the first time?

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>>28561856

>You're just going to trust someone who's extremely successful in the field you're discussing? LOL you're an NPC! xD!

Ok anon.

>> No.28562014

>>28561901
You mean after the ATH?

>> No.28562035

>>28561856
> No one is paying me, I'm just a neet who invested in Doge and can now see the glaring issues of it.
oh sure, fellow neet investor :^)

> I would say 95% of all the currency being mined is instantly sold.
I would say more 4.23% is sold, same bullshit number throwing. Right now, more DOGE is bought off exchanges then it is sold. Sry for your loss, buy moar with us and hope for the best

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>>28561990
eat the bugs anon
eat the bugs.

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>>28561856

>> No.28562136

FRESHLY BAKED BREAD

>>28562108
>>28562108
>>28562108

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>>28562085

>If you trust ONE expert, you MUST TRUST THEM ALL

Now who's the NPC?

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Oh my god. Everyone buy now! I just found this graph in the leviathans secret folder. This is how he knew what to do, holy shit im shakin

>> No.28562360

>>28562264
no way dude this is insane

>> No.28562569

>>28561647
Maybe someone read my suggestion.

>> No.28562612

>>28562014
The high prior to that