/biz/ - Business & Finance

Yeah, it's disgusting, but what else can you do?

unless we are born into money or have a house to live in for free you pretty much have to work faget

>>290263
>pretty much have to work faget

clearly you have reading and spelling problems. try again.

>>290258
>but what else can you do?

if you follow your true passion and make your hobby your career, you never have to "work"---you basically just get paid to have fun.

>>290266
you overestimate how much fuck i give cunt.

>>290255
I'd rather struggle working for myself than have a comfortable life working for someone else.

I wasn't put on this planet to be someone else's bitch I guess.

>>290290
Good stuff. Be your own bitch.

I'm seriously considering quiting my job, moving back in with my parents and cutting all of my expenses so that i can focus on making it

Just gotta take the plunge, with the path I'm on now I'll be a wage slave my entire life.

>tfw 4 years into university to become a teacher for physics and politics

Teachers get paid quite well in Germany and have a secure place of work once in. I enjoy giving classes. The problem is, unless you get into school management you will max out your possibilities quite fast.
I plan to do exactly this, becoming a head teacher comes with greater salaries etc. I could greatly raise my chances to accomplish that by doing extra courses that you can apply to if you have worked as a teacher for 3 years.

What does /biz/ think of this? It incorporates much of going the official channels and you can never be really self-employed but is pretty promising on the other hand.

Look at all of you peasants. CPA master race making $90K.

>>291191
I think your idea of good pay is slightly skewed from being in contact with wage slaves for too long.

Teaching pays shit money no matter where you live. If it doesn't generate passive income and it's not leverageable, it's a shitty plan.

>>291194
Case in point. This chump thinks 90k a year is a good salary. No, 90k a month is a good salary.

>>291197
Passive income is almost invariably connected with property. It is possible to found private schools in Germany but it's tough as nails because massive bureaucracy. PLUS you can't set tuition fees as you like because of some "no child left behind" policy that basically permits fees too high for even the poorest fags to afford.

That said, I wish to work in education because I greatly enjoy doing so.

>>291197

I was mocking all of the accounting Sophmores on /biz/.

>>291208
Rental income is one path to success.

When your full time job is walking to the mailbox to collect your monthly $40k+ cheque, that's when you're truly rich.

>>291212
I hope so. 90k/year is nothing to aspire to.

>>291197

aiming for 90k a mont is slightly delusional unless you are very privileged and start out towards that goal very early in your life (mid to late teens)

for the average guy who wants to turn his life around at 25 and start making financially wise decisions, it's completely fucking delusional. and to that guy 90k per annum is probably a very realistic and comfy goal.

>tfw will never throw a lit Molotov at the White House
>tfw will never have the adventure of a lifetime while participating in a mass revolt

>>291219
The average guy is a bozo. Precisely why they don't do shit with their lives.

When your goal is 90k/year, that's all you're going to amount to.

Every person who thinks 90k/month is an impossible feat is one less person I have to compete with.

>>291227

This is the mentality a lot of people have at my firm. People who never try to really trade stocks call it stupid because they read it has a high failure rate. So does starting a business. So does being a professional athlete. So does becoming famous. But do you think the one's who made it had that mentality?

>>291247

for every person that succeeds, 10 will fail

>>290255

They're called cowards, m8

Let the campaign against them on this board ROLL ON!

>>291178

>making it

Do it man. And understand that "making it" only entails bringing in a couple thousand a month. This is not that difficult. You will need to find your trade, your niche, your profitable skill - you will likely need to find your own clients, but trust me. It's not impossible.


The only part that hurts is giving up on the lifestyle and expectations that are had of you, to have your own apartment, pay your own bills, buy and cook all your own food while working a 9-5.

That shit will kill a man long before he dies though.

>>291197
>Case in point. This chump thinks 90k a year is a good salary. No, 90k a month is a good salary.

This.

Well, he was mistaken to call himself "master race" at least.

If you make over 50k/year on your own you are technically doing it though, you are self-employed and heads and shoulders above the "working class" simply because your life and your hours are in your control. The lifestyle difference alone makes you a king among peasants when compared to grocery store clerks etc.

>>291257

Winners try 10 times.

Is this really so hard for wageslaves to understand?

>>291247
Those people fail to realize that wage slavery is also a risky endeavor. People lose their jobs and get laid off all the time. You can be replaced at any minute, unless you bring so much value to your company that they give you a stake in it.

The only people who make it in wage slavery spend decades sucking corporate cock and climbing the ladder, only to have 1 or 2 million dollars to show for it at the end. Meanwhile, their employers are pulling six figures a month off their labor.

Wage slavery has a huge cost: your freedom. Ain't no "job security" worth that.

>>290268
I enjoy drowning kittens, have done for years, but I'm not sure how to capitalse on it. :)

>>291284
>Those people fail to realize that wage slavery is also a risky endeavor.

Fucking this.

Listen carefully all you lurkers who are honestly stressing your brains on how to make a budget, how to save, how to get by and survive on a wage - because you were told that's the most "surefire" and "safe" way to financial freedom:

You are most likely always going to be one paycheck short of disaster. This is explained in many financial books but apparently not the most popular ones -

When you are wage slaving you are almost always going to be one paycheck away from living on the streets.

That means if you lose your job for whatever reason, you will need to find another one and cash a paycheck from it within a few days otherwise it's all fucking over. Even if you accomplish that, the 2 week gap or lag in your income will be enough to throw literally everything else out the window - and all of your budgeting and saving needs to be completely re-assessed. Most often, your savings will evaporate while you recover and you will be starting your next job (IF YOU EVEN FIND ONE) at a deficit compared to when you started on this yellow brick road of wage slavery.

If you have an emergency in your life and it costs you money (and it will, and a fucking lot of it) it's all over.


Being a wage slave is a lie. Having a "jerb" is a lie.

90% of this country will be standing in bread lines when the time comes because they believed that lie (let's hope this doesn't happen).

The 10% who got out, became their own bosses etc. and actually made dosh are going to be immediately thrust into the imaginary "1 percent" of wealthy people when this happens. All because they were smart enough NOT to live hand to mouth. The safest thing for the 1 percent to do if all of this happens is run, hide, put up the gates, release the hounds etc. because the wage slaves will be coming for you, accusing you of being a trust fund baby or "royalty" for the mere fact that you were smarter than them.

>>291289

Gummo.

>>290255
My parents are forcing and paying for me to go to college, what should I study to maximize my time there?

>>291275
>>291275
>>291278
This guy fucking gets it.

I don't get why people think working for someone else is the safer route when lay offs happen left and right and job competition is fierce.

Fucking bricklayers.

>>291266
I'm a programmer so I know my trade, however I focus on game programming which is next to impossible to make a lot of money with, especially in the app market, it's like winning the lottery (see flappy bird). I'll need to target a better niche.

>That shit will kill a man long before he dies though.
yea, I feel dead inside and hate waking up in the morning, that should be a clear sign already.

>>291293
Yeah, I agree with you..but that doesn't change the fucking fact that this bullshit of "HURR FIND A NICHE AND MARKET IT" is any less stupefying.

In the end for many who follow that path will end up with tons of debt due to failed businesses as they weren't good enough in the first place to do whatever they thought of doing.

So please can it with that mediocre tier advice and don't give false hopes to some stupid anon who actually thinks he can make it with good ol' "grit and spit" only to fail and be screwed for the rest of his life.

>>291293
1%ers are trying to make it difficult for other people to get a foothold in the market. Monopolies etc.
I hate this "burn the bridge as soon as I'm over" attitude many rich people seem to call their own.

>>291316
What would your advice be?

>>291323
I don't have any as I don't pretend that a few sentences that I type on a whim will set someone up with a life plan.

What works for an individual varies from person to person. Lay offs happens but businesses fail too, hindsight is 20/20 and all that but that doesn't mean that one of them will lose a lot more.

>>291311
>Fucking bricklayers.

Damn. The yellow brick road. I get it now.

I get my own analogy now! Or maybe that was the symbolism in Oz all along and I never caught it.

>>291325
Tell us about yourself. How are you doing financially?

>>291332
lol, no

nice try at being reasonable tho

>>291334
Haha man I'm just trying to get some value from this board before it gets flooded.

>>291313

Sup. I too am a programmer.

WARNING LURKERS: Offtopic LONG tangent here:

We have to move past games if we can. At this point the "freemium" and advertising models are making it a complete crapshoot where we'll need to deploy 100 games before making a profit.

Most mobile game developers, large or small, are seeing turnaround after their 50th or so App (if you research you'll see that every big name out there didn't get traction until they already had a library of 100-150 games). I just posted this

>>291327

> I feel dead inside and hate waking up in the morning, that should be a clear sign already.

My first programming job at a web design firm I was so stoked to have, and eventually I became the same way, dead inside. Because management was butt-fuck retarded, I wasn't allowed to do things the right (and fast) way and it was killing me.

I got another programming job which paid double a few years later and the SAME fucking thing happened. Totally excited, and as time went on I saw management (the president) for who he was, I couldn't do anything the right way, I was forced to do things the wrong way and forced to lie to clients on behalf of the President, I was working 100x harder than him and accomplishing 10x more everyday while having him snort at me and shake his head because subconsciously he felt like shit about having some kid come in and put him to shame like this -

I started demanding to work from home because I thought it would help, it did not. I hated working for him so much that I started to sleep in and avoid working altogether. True depression while making good money, never thought it was possible but it happened. I had no choice but to quit.

I now make double THAT previous job in hourly rates from my own clients and I get to do things my way. The right way.

>I cannot work for another man

I highly recommend 'Jobs' to all of /biz/ whether they can stand Ashton Kutcher or not.

>>291313

Sup. I too am a programmer.

WARNING LURKERS: Offtopic LONG tangent here:

We have to move past games if we can. At this point the "freemium" and advertising models are making it a complete crapshoot where we'll need to deploy 100 games before making a profit.

Most mobile game developers, large or small, are seeing turnaround after their 50th or so App (if you research you'll see that every big name out there didn't get traction until they already had a library of 100-150 games). I just posted this

>>291327

> I feel dead inside and hate waking up in the morning, that should be a clear sign already.

My first programming job at a web design firm I was so stoked to have, and eventually I became the same way, dead inside. Because management was butt-fuck retarded, I wasn't allowed to do things the right (and fast) way and it was killing me.

I got another programming job which paid double a few years later and the SAME fucking thing happened. Totally excited, and as time went on I saw management (the president) for who he was, I couldn't do anything the right way, I was forced to do things the wrong way and forced to lie to clients on behalf of the President, I was working 100x harder than him and accomplishing 10x more everyday while having him snort at me and shake his head because subconsciously he felt like shit about having some kid come in and put him to shame like this -

I started demanding to work from home because I thought it would help, it did not. I hated working for him so much that I started to sleep in and avoid working altogether. True depression while making good money, never thought it was possible but it happened. I had no choice but to quit.

I now make double THAT previous job in hourly rates from my own clients and I get to do things my way. The right way.

>>290255

>I just... cannot work for another man

I highly recommend 'Jobs' to all of /biz/ whether they can stand Ashton Kutcher or not.

>>291342
How did you make the jump to quitting? you pretty much described the exact situation I'm in now. Management pisses me off stuck in their old ways of doing things, I can't work how I want to, I have people who know less than me telling me to what to do and acting like they know more than me, it's infuriating.

It's why I'm considering say fuck all to everything and cutting any expenses I have, I'm willing to kill any chance at a social life just to get out of this.

Call me a wage slave but all I really want is to finish my finance degree and work as a loan officer in a non-franchise community bank making 60k a year and being home to my family by 4:30 pm, with an easy going job in an air conditioned office. I'd like to move to the Bahamas someday and work for a better bank making more money chill axing by the beach someday though

>>291339

similar experience here working in art departments of game studios. i was really fucking good at what i did, but the production pipeline was SO fucking disastrously inefficient because the people making the decisions had zero "real" skills or industry experience and thought managing a game studio was like managing a fucking grocery store.

self employment is true happyness. you can worry about becoming ceo10k/day rich later. first you gotta become your own boss.

>>291349
>How did you make the jump to quitting?
>I'm willing to kill any chance at a social life just to get out of this.

You got it.

Drop out of the rat race for a bit. This includes keeping up appearances, keeping up the lifestyle that's expected of you (which is utter bullshit anyway, look how many psychopathic depressed people are out there "but muh friends i have so many friends im so popular i need muh drama").


Basically if you're intelligent enough to be making money with computers or money for OTHERS with computers (which is the trap we fell into) - you can't and shouldn't be expected to be average.

Unless you're a trust-fund baby (which I've been accused of here already) or have money already you're going to need to bite the bullet and either live with your parents, or find a business partner or TRUE friend who will let you pay meager rent - it depends. You know better what sacrifices you have to make to do this.

All I can say is - they were worth it. I have no shame still living with my parents, although it can be hard when it comes to girls/women I've had enough experience to know that the sex is best when you have money, and I would rather wait until I have "made it" to even bother with relationships or fucking around anymore.

Might be an age thing. I don't think I could possibly commit to this like I have back when I was 18-20. I needed to work for others, have my adventures, "live on muh own" etc. first.

>>291372

Deleted to post the Jobs image - you were replying to

>>291342

To clarify for others.

And I agree with your post, you have to be your own man at least once in life otherwise why fucking bother? Wage slaves put guns in their mouth.

>>291342

>LUL FAGGOT LIVES WITH HIS PARENTS

So did Steve.

>lol apple faggot

Fucking hate Macs, own zero apple products. Will always empathize with Steve though. Especially young Steve.

>>291372
The thing is I really like making games, it's a shame it's hard to live off of it. Maybe it's worth it to try anyway. Release game after game, build a small fan base that actually wants to buy your products, this would be my dream.

Or who am I kidding, I can take contract jobs and build the next app some faggot thinks will be the next facebook, at least he'll pay me for it no matter how it does.

>>291374
What do you do though?

I am a sysadmin/virtualization engineer, I just quit two months ago and feel like I no longer have direction.

Management was absolutely batshit retarded and I couldn't deal with the fact that some retarded black guy from chicago breezed his way through college with some business degree was making over double what I was making. He couldn't even plug the monitor into his laptop without help.

I know that working for a big corporation or whatever will make me kill myself, I've resigned myself to the fact that I'd rather die on my own than be the living dead in that fucking cubicle.

I just have no clue what to do now, and to be honest it scares the fucking shit out of me.

>>291410

Find like minded intelligent individuals who are specialized in a specific field. Pool your resources, intelligence, and skills together in order solve one of our societies many problems.

>>291378
>Wage slaves put guns in their mouth.
Second.

this is the new biz meme, pls sticky so we don't have to deal with this

implying everyone has ideas that the market won't already be saturated with
implying everyone has access to capital
implying everyone has a baby trust fund
implying people necessarily have networks at 18-25

>>290255

There is nothing wrong with starting out working for someone else. learning what you have to learn and then moving on to pursue something else or launch your own venture when you are ready. The problem with being a wage slave arises when people get comfortable and or are miserable with the work that the are doing and the people that they are working with.

>>291427
Good, I've already joined Meetup and looking to get a membership at the local hackerspace.....

Do you have any tips for keeping up self-esteem and such?

I didn't realize until now how heavy the dogma of being "unemployed" is for the average worker.

>>291293
I totally agree. People who have a wage slave mentality are destined to failure. Why don't they just hustle and network? Those are things you can recover and leverage as strengths, even if they are your weaknesses. Endless determination and endurance of the mind is all you need to free the notion of wage slavery.

Fuck everyone who disagrees. Seriously.

>>291446
But as the innovators and business-builders, are we not indebted to them for their work?

And your definition of failure may not be the same as those working for you.

Just because you feel the need to not work and have others do it for you doesn't mean you should hate them for it. You need them as much as you need yourself.

>>291410
>>291374

The mentality of delusional losers, most likely NEETs.

"Making it" has absolutely nothing to do with making millions. If u aren't pursuing your passion and adding value to the world and your life you havent made it.

"Retiring early" and collecting cheques every month is nothing. Means nothing
You may as well be on welfare or supported by your parents...same situation-- your a useless being with no talents, no goals and nothing to do. Sleep all day NEETs and dream about being useless

>>291472
It's almost like people have different definitions of "making it"

>>291472

Ppl who want to retire early are basically useless Jews who never found a purpose or meaning in life

They are the type who go to school or open a business simply to make money and have no joy in their craft. Their final purpose is to stop working--just like hobos on welfare.same mentality

>>291473
Ya. Its like they accepted Hollywood's idea of making it...

Their ideal dream is essentially to have been born rich so they could just be NEETs. Pathetic

>>291289
Create a video of you doing it and then pose as a charity organisation aiming to help stop animal cruelty.
Try and make the video go viral (Wish I could help you there). Take all the donations and run off to Mexico.

>>291472
>this circle jerking
please visit a philosophy board at least the trolling is submerged in more trolling

>>290255
>mfw my dream is to not work 9-5, have flexible hours and being able to train as much as I want

squatting makes me feel good

>>291483
man, that's fucked up

I know I'm on 4chan, but jesus.

>>291494
b-but that's fucked up
what are you some sort of pansy ass faggot?
you do wanna be rich don't you?

>>291497
I'd prefer not to be a kike about it.

I'd like to, you know, bring value to people?

>>291494
Just a suggestion made anonymously online. ^^

Giving advice to a fella in need. He has a set of skills he can capitalise on.
But if you can help people i guess that's better? I mean the guy could make a fetish website 'The pussy drowner' Or something. Then provide links to all of those cat drowning products that are on the market and take a juicy commission.
Or fill it with links to other fetish websites and make a couple of bucks a month through advertising.
I like the charity one.

>>291374
>Drop out of the rat race for a bit. This includes keeping up appearances, keeping up the lifestyle that's expected of you


why? If you can't work a regular 9-5 AND do your side-projects/training/investing you will NEVER EVER "make it" like you think you will.

You don't have the work ethic. If you have to quit and live with your parents you're basically a lazy loser. full stop.

>>291527
What if your job entails more than the standard 9-5?

You don't have to move in with your parents, you can save some living expenses and live off that for a while, ask to take a leave of absence, etc. But fuck off if you think everyone should have the "work ethic" to do both, people aren't slaves or machines that can work 24/7, sounds like you're suggesting some pussyfooting and wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

Nah m8.

I want a high income job to provide not just for myself, but my girlfriend and our family, not just the one we'll have but also the family I've grown up with. I wanna use my own network to help my brother out too and make sure my mom never needs to worry about money ever at all.
I doubt I could ever make the same amount of money by not pursuing a high income career that requires at least a bachelor degree. For all I know I'll start my own place after several years with solid knowledge about a certain sector/industry.

Don't get me wrong, I'll enjoy life while I'm at it.

>>291583
>But fuck off if you think everyone should have the "work ethic" to do both

assuming you sleep 8hours, work 8 hours, you have 8 free hours to play around with.

If you can't make shit happen in 8hours a day, plus your weekends totally free then you are incompetent and will never make anything happen.

>but muh job is longer than 8hours

you gotta do a cost-benefit analysis of course...but the idea that you have to quit your job and live with your parents in order to "make it" is the complete opposite. Its the NEET mentality that wants to avoid work and just be useless all day.

SAY NO TO WAGE SLAVERY

Do you think these women like wage slaves? NO. So get off your but and leverage your charisma

What are some legitimate alternatives to the salaryman life.
I don't want that cliched be your own boss self-help drivel
One does not just hop off the treadmill

>>291645


http://earlyretirementextreme.com/about

This physics prof was making like 40-50k/year and retired in his early 30s.

Basically he lived super-cheap, and invested his savings in some low risk stocks.

>>291658
>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/about
>believing a man who deprives himself beyond what is human
you may as well live in rural africa and receive 10 million dollars for surviving that traumatic ordeal

>>291289
You're probably a sociopath of some kind. Try becoming a professional hitman.

>>290255
I'm one of those people.

I've always known that it was going to be miserable, but I quickly put those thoughts out of my mind and just went about my day.

Now I'm here and....all the stereotypes are true.

My job isn't even that bad: I got promoted recently to tax analyst (pay didn't increase, just longer hours + more work), my boss is a family acquaintance and is pretty nice, my coworkers are all nice as well, but I just feel dead inside and just want to die.

>>291663

some people are anti-consumerist and minimalist by nature.

If you are a consumerist with fancy tastes you will never be able to retire early or be financially free, your desires are unlimited.

The more money you make the more new things you want to buy, and you will never be able to give up that income.

>>291690
>I got promoted recently to tax analyst (pay didn't increase, just longer hours + more work), my boss is a family acquaintance and is pretty nice, my coworkers are all nice as well, but I just feel dead inside and just want to die.


Same bro. The worst part of a job like that is that it gets comfortable and easy after a while. You don't even "dread" it, you are just numb.

I'm planning on going back to school in september, starting fresh from 0. Maybe a degree in engineering or maybe doing pre-med stuff.

All these underage NEETs on this board stroking their small dicks is quite a sight.

I love all these keyboard jockeys that never worked a day outside of McDonalds who thinks that suddenly becoming self employed means you can sit around and masturbate all day whenever you want to.

Sorry to break it to you, but you work even more than a 9-5. Enjoy your sleepless nights wondering if you will be approved for the loan you need to meet payroll, working on Saturday and Sunday because that's the day your associate or client is going to be in town, working that 90 hour week to meet a deadline.

Enjoy never being able to take a vacation because you are too important or too busy to be gone from the company for a week. Enjoy having to work 12 hour days because you can't afford to hire additional help.

I'm absolutely certain that everyone on /biz/'s idea of being self employed is coding the next flappy bird and becoming a millionaire on a couple hours of work, and spending the rest of their life watching Chinese Cartoons.

>>291728
>Sorry to break it to you, but you work even more than a 9-5. Enjoy your sleepless nights wondering if you will be approved for the loan you need to meet payroll, working on Saturday and Sunday because that's the day your associate or client is going to be in town, working that 90 hour week to meet a deadline.

This^ x 1000

This thread gets made every time some sperg finishes rich dad poor dad

>>291772
is that book even good?

>>291728
>I'm absolutely certain that everyone on /biz/'s idea of being self employed is coding the next flappy bird and becoming a millionaire on a couple hours of work, and spending the rest of their life watching Chinese Cartoons.

Precisely. A lot of people here seem to think you just "make it and hit big" and have no responsibilities to worry about other than where to plan your next vacation. Doesn't work like that sorry kids.

>>291786

It's about as good as this thread

>>291786
It's only good for motivation, it won't teach you absolutely anything useful or technical.

But it does something good: shapes your mentality to not be a wage slave for the rest of your life.

Worth a reading just for that.

>>291787
>>291772
>>291741
>>291728

Haha, you guys have no imagination and no creativity hence you guys will forever all remain poor. This being poor in the material sense is manifested from being spiritual poorness.

Why do you guys even bother living, working your numb daily schedules? How does it feel being someone's bitch? Think of your neck on a leash and your supervisor as your owner. That's what it's like.

Trust me, I was like that at one point and I broke free. I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad and now I am a tycoon legend in the real estate world.

>>292029
>Why do you guys even bother living, working your numb daily schedules?

Because I spend 1/3 of my day talking to cuties in the office, 1/3 surfing the net and checking my stock portfolio, and 1/3 doing actual work which is yelling or smooching with underwriters and getting them to approve my deals. I get paid way too much for doing nothing all day lol

>How does it feel being someone's bitch?

I know more than my boss and she knows it. She doesn't question me, and I only see her once a week in the lunch room where we smile and joke for a few minutes.

>>292046
Uhm, I think that was a troll post man, no one takes Rich Dad Poor Dad seriously....

>>292046
>I get paid way too much for doing nothing all day lol

And you are satisfied with that? I would feel like complete shit. I guess some people have no ambition

I'm curious tho, why can't you have it both ways?

You obviously need the basic necessities to survive and most of the time a decent 9-5 will provide that with probably enough left to put on the side.

But that little bit left is not what's important. What's important is the free evenings and weekends that usually, if you're young with no dependents and serious obligations, which honestly I think a lot of people in general can say that's true, using that time to find your niche, do research, take courses or throw yourself into a field to learn it.

Unfortunately, people in general find it easier to not do that.

>>292147
>which honestly I think a lot of people in general can say that's true, using that time to find your niche, do research, take courses or throw yourself into a field to learn it.

It's just annoying coming from 8hours of work to basically do another job/training/certification/etc...

>>292165
Oh man I'm not even gonna lie I know that feeling, very intimately.

But that's the point isn't it? It's fucking hard, one way or the other, it's gonna be hard as all fuck. It's so much easier to just zone out in front of some screen or other instead of taking some initiative in figuring out a way of make some more money, starting your own business, etc.

You just have ask yourself day in and day out: is that 8 hr five days a week, if not more, tax really worth it for the next 20 or 30 years?

I don't think it is.

Time the fuck out, /biz/ considers 90k/yr bad?

Most of our peers are fucking NEETs on welfare.

>>292211
>90k
>good

literally pick one and only one. Unless you are self-employed and are making 90k a MONTH then you are a horrid failure. Stop being a wage slave already

>>292241

I honestly can't tell if you're joking, you think anything less than self-making one million a year is failure?

>>292176

im thinking of doing the opposite, work less and focus on what I actually like until I get good enough to make money from my hobby.

the idea that you can work hard and retire early and then focus on your real goals seems backwards to me, and unrealistic. Chances are you'll just end up being a wage slave forever, investing doesn't work unless you have like 100k+ to play with

>>292252
>still being and thinking like a wage slave
You got to want it man. That's the part your not understanding

>>292253
No man, stop listing hobbies as an excuse you weak minded pleb. You put in the effort to create avenues of passive income and then you just do whatever, not even pursue hobbies. If you want to do nothing once you actually emotionally understand what financial freedom means.....then you would've penetrated the shackles of wage slaving.

i hope to make enough from a 9-5 and save it all
and then do something really grand with it
definitely dont plan to waste it on some cunt and brats

>>291697
>All these underage NEETs on this board stroking their small dicks is quite a sight.

What does this even mean?

>anyone talking like they're better than me has a TINY DICK

Some of you have major inferiority complexes and it has clearly affected the way you think about business, and life as a whole.

>>291403
>Maybe it's worth it to try anyway. Release game after game, build a small fan base that actually wants to buy your products, this would be my dream.

Do you know how many loserfaggots and shit-for-brains people there out there who would kill to have the mental capacity to make games?

It's not just that they wish they could make games, they lack the mental capacity to learn even the beginnings of what it takes.

Not only is it worth it financially to keep plugging away at games (or it could be) but it's a blessing, and you absolutely could build a fanbase.

I've become more pragmatic about mobile apps and games lately but I won't give up on them. I just want to diversify in case it takes a long time for something to pop.

In the meantime I am growing a large youtube subscribe base (can't say how) and that's my in to getting a fanbase for my games.

>>291472
>The mentality of delusional losers, most likely NEETs.


Why is there so much projection on this board?

>everyone is NEET but me

Fine. Go fuck yourselves and stop coming here then.

I just don't get it...

>if you want to be succesfull you're a NEET
>if you're not already successful you're a NEET

The mentality of some of you is so utterly miserable I think you would be blessed to get hit by a bus and die instantly tomorrow morning. I really do. Just ease the pain. You've already given up anyway.

>>292253
Hey if you can reach your monthly costs with a part time more power to you. Just focus on making some aspect of your hobby profitable if possible, even if it's something that doesn't seem obvious about it.

Also, any 'free' money, free meaning it doesn't go to paying debt if you have any or towards your monthly costs, can be 'played' with. You just gotta be smart about it through doing the research and be prepared for a loss due to risk.

>>292288
You are a neet's neet. There are wage slave who are just neets.

>>291482
>Ya. Its like they accepted Hollywood's idea of making it...

The fuck are you talking about you faggot piece of shit?

>Their ideal dream is essentially to have been born rich so they could just be NEETs. Pathetic

What.

The fuck.

Are you talking about?

Is this how miserable YOUR life has become? Look around and you'll see you have company. You're like old men in their rocking chairs just talking endless shit on "THE KIDS" across the street.

>Oh the kids with their fucking fancy ipods and dreams of being famous rock stars and rappers
>GGGYEEEEET A JOOBBB

Nobody is even fucking talking to you, grandpa, and what you're saying is batshit anyway.

Just a headsup in case you can't see your own behavior.

>>292288
I didn't even know the term "NEET" until I started coming here. Why do all the shitty things come from Europe?

>>291527

You're an idiot who has clearly never had a full-time job and a life.

>if you have to dedicate yourself to succeed then

Just, go.

>>291625
>assuming you sleep 8hours, work 8 hours, you have 8 free hours to play around with.

Again, this person is an idiot who has never had a life.

Just making sure everyone is in agreement.

>>291691

Commie faggot. Hilarious.

>>291728

I earn more in 4 hours than I did at my 8 hour jobs.

Your entire post is a sterling example of sour grapes.

Keep failin at life.

>>292046
>I know more than my boss and she knows it.

You are admitting to working underneath a woman.

A woman who knows less than you.

Please explain to the rest of us what makes your posts anything more than shit smeared on the wall.

Please explain yourself.

>>292329

I'm gunning for her job soon„€¢£

>>292306

How do u figure?

>>292283
>Not only is it worth it financially to keep plugging away at games (or it could be) but it's a blessing, and you absolutely could build a fanbase.

Do you really think so? I've been looking into this as opposed to the whole get rich quick fantasy most devs have and it's always the same doom and gloom story. I just don't know man

>>291728
people in other countries dream to be employed by someone and not beeing self employed.

>>292336
Take away commute time, self-physical maintenance time, and you come down to 6 to 4. Plus hiccups, things you have to do outside of work - like banking or dr.'s appointments - and it plummets further.