/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>30210415
Print more money

up to 1.533 % now
not sure what this means but this is bad I heard. lol..

>>30210415
The Globalists have 3 problems preventing full World Domination.
1. China
2. Iran
3. Crypto

These are their solutions:
1. China = assassinate Xi and confidants, put CCP into turmoil and gridlock
2. Iran = invade with coalition support after they blow up a tanker
3. Crypto = Use Quantum Computers to break all Coins killing the market, be waiting in the wings with a Quantum-Resistant Crypto that you control and start selling

>>30210963
how do I profit off this?

wonder why they haven't ease QE before raising rates.

seems backwards

>>30211518
It seems backwards because you are conflating two different rates. The fed sets the federal funds rate (i.e. short term lending). The long term treasury yields are allowed to float, except that QE purchases of these longer term bonds push the yields down typically. The QE the fed has been doing isn't enough, however, and the long-term yields are rising ANYWAY because of inflation expectations.

>>30210415
>Deflation happening

Turns out BTC was just a risk asset goy.

>>30210963
Kek good lucking on the quantum computing crapto bullshit...will take 20 years at the minimum

>>30211762
>The QE the fed has been doing isn't enough
so the current downtrend in nasdaq is the reason for raising rates today (Fed reacting to bearish market trend)... because the unlimited QE somehow can't keep it up anymore.

>>30212145
>so the current downtrend in nasdaq is the reason for raising rates today
No. The stock markets react to interest rates. Rates weren't "raised" today, they went up on their own. If the price of chicken in your local supermarket goes up, do you say that the fed raised the price of livestock?

>>30212145
Because its too detached from its fundamental value. The Fed is going to maintain 2%, and will do anything to hit those targets. Like jacking rates.

>>30212238
>Rates weren't "raised" today, they went up on their own.
I thought the feds/central banks set the interest rates?

>>30210963
Lmao the globalists were the ones who pumped china and installed the islamists in tehran. Fuckin /biz/ niggers

>>30213305
see:
>>30211762

forgive my stupidity. in 2018 it was above 3% and years before that higher. it's been on a down slope over the decade. how come this hitting half what it was 2018 is now the happening and sky actually falling?

>>30213649
Oh ok I thought the rates you were refering to were the interest rates.
>>30213846
I also want this answered. If you zoom out the chart there are periodic rises and falls and even spikes. What is different about the rise today? Is it because they are trying to curb the rise harder this time and it is not working?

>>30214818
What exactly do you think "the interest rates" are, exactly?

>>30211212
Invest in RTH/Lockheed. Also oil and alternatives.

>>30214888
My understanding is that the feds/central banks set the interest rate to lend money to the commercial banks which then set rates for different loans they give out. Is this wrong?

Can someone please answer: "does this jump mean investors think MORE inflation or LESS inflation will happen". I am hearing it means that investors have lost faith in the feds ability to control inflation but I don't know what that means

>>30214818
>What is different about the rise today? Is it because they are trying to curb the rise harder this time and it is not working?
a smarter anon needs to correct me on this but i believe its because the fed's interest rates are already at zero and the only course of action is to raise them, which always coincides with a recession. i know eventually this ends with the money printer melting but i dont recall how exactly

>>30215085
Pretty much, it's a lot more nuanced. There are two main factors that set interest rates. The federal reserve literally prints money out of thin air, so the rate at which they lend money to banks overnight influences things on the short end. The treasury issues government debt (t-bills, bonds), and this debt is seen as RISK FREE RETURN. Meaning you literally can't get a safer bet on getting paid than the government of the fucking world superpower promising to pay you back. All other interest rates in the free market are always above this rate, whatever time horizon you are talking about in a given circumstance. Right now we are talking about the 10 year treasury yield, which is somewhat influenced by the fed funds rate, but moreso dependent on the fed's quantitative easing policies and free-market demand. If the free market sees inflation coming, then a 1% rate of return (nominal) is dogshit, since it means negative real rates of return. So it's return-free risk at that point, instead of risk-free return. This means nobody wants those bonds, and interest rates, via free market price discovery, rise until an equilibrium is met.

>>30210415

>>30215414
>>30210415

>>30215407
So this means people think more inflation will come because of jpows speech so they pumped the price?

>>30213305
>I thought the feds/central banks set the interest rates?
the fed does have an interest rate for lending to institutional players like banks. it's called the fed funds rate.
treasury bond yield is a seperate thing. it represent the interest rate on newly issued federal debt. as the fed has an infinite balance sheet, it can buy up US treasurys to increase demand and therefore lower the yield.

TLDR: the fed controls the fed funds rate, but it can only influence the treasury yield - unless, of course, it buys up every single new US treasury bond.

Crypto is a fucking joke. Same fucking pattern no matter what you own. So fucking tired of it all

>>30210963
All 3 items on your list are beneficial to the globalists, what are you smoking?

>>30213482
yup

>>30215592
People were expecting inflation anyway, but were "waiting it out" to see what Jpow would announce. A lot of people were expecting yield curve control to stabilize the stock market, but he DIDN'T say anything about it, basically just said "I"m monitoring the situation, we have tools." So that means the market is free to shit itself as it rightfully should without fed intervention.

>>30210963
Id says lazy carl
Low as fuck iq post
Checks out

>>30215727
BTC is basically the USD of the crypto market. Whatever happens to it affects everything else. It's actually pretty ridiculous. But if you think about it, the USD basically controls what happens to the stock market too. So it's really not that different except crypto is more easily manipulated thanks to bitcoin miner whales and less regulations.

What doesn't make any sense is why people would be selling crypto when news of the USD being inflated happens, isn't crypto supposed to be an anti-inflationary asset? If the USD becomes worthless, the price of cryptocurrencies should theoretically be rising a lot as a result of that. Feels like there's manipulation happening because the Jews want crypto gone.

>>30214982
ok boomer.

burgers.. what the hell is this $hit about... jesus h christ

>>30216008
Wow such a subtle response can wipe immense wealth off the markets immediately- thanks for the explanation anon.

>>30215727
what do you expect when there's still 60% btc dominance on the market you fucking idiot? can you make it more obvious you're coming from reddit?

>>30210415
From the other thread.
>>30214106
Bond yield is negatively correlated to bond prices.

Yield up = bond price trading lower
Yield down = bond price trading higher.

Because the bonds have a par value, trading below the par value = higher yields. (the APR of your return for holding the bond is rises).

Institutions are panic selling their treasury bonds below par value, raising the yield.

This signifies that they have lost confidence in the fed to control inflation. They are effectively saying that they think selling the bond today below par value will yield them higher return then holding it for all 10 years.

>>30216293
It's actually the definition of Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. You just don't know what the fuck to do and panic.

>>30215727
You need to get into small and microcaps

Anon check out this gem.

$MCM Mochimo
> Quantum Proof
> Scalable and Fast
> Decentralized and Fair
>Price going crazy right now =)))

>>30216472
THIS. /biz/ brainlets think FUD just means "lies to make me scared." It used to actual mean genuine fear, uncertainty, and doubt. The future is super fucking uncertain, especially when circumstances can change at the drop of a hat with a single announcement by 1 man in charge of the federal reserve.

>>30210963
This man is a retard.

Ok,so aside from living back to the lifestyle of pre-industrial america,what are your plans dor the collapse

and dont say some retarded bullshit like muh crypto or muh metal stocks,the electricity will shut down,leading to the entire internet stopping as well so you cant even access them in the first
place

And fleeing to another country doesnt count either because ALL of them are connected to the american economy in some form,no matter how obscure,say even a country who doesnt have a direct connection the US economy like North Korea will get fucked,because its largest trading partner,China is a major export partner of the US

>>30216343
I was talking about BTC dumping right when the stock market did retard

>>30210415
You stupid faggots elected the diversity hires to run the country. You get the government you deserve.

>>30218734
We didn't elect them you stupid fucker, they literally rig our elections. It's a banana republic. Don't listen to what you see on social media or the mainstream media, they literally censor, delete and ban anyone who speaks the truth.

>>30210741
Literally the same. I have heard from enough people that this is bad, I just can't articulate why it's bad.

>>30215407
>>30215658
Ok thanks for the explanation
>If the free market sees inflation coming, then a 1% rate of return (nominal) is dogshit, since it means negative real rates of return.
>This means nobody wants those bonds, and interest rates, via free market price discovery, rise until an equilibrium is met.
So is this ending with a deflation? If low interests means that many are taking out loans and buying assets, wouldnt raising it lead to people who wont be able to payback the interest thus a deflation on these assets?

>>30219054
Yes, you are precisely right. If rates are allowed to rise, our entire debt-based financial system collapses. This isn't an understatement, it's basically what happened in 2008 with adjustable rate mortgages, except now it's corporate debt, government, everything. Rates CANNOT be allowed to rise, which is why I'm still in the market and think the fed WILL step in at some point, maybe after a crash but they must step in.

>>30210415
War with Iran.

>>30211212
Short stability and happiness.
Go long on misery and despair.

>>30210415
YIELD CURVE CONTROL. DUH!

>>30210963
This guys retarded and thinks America actually needs a reason to bomb sand niggers. Fucking kek.

where are the rich putting their money? everything is doomed and the dollar is at the end of his life, where do they go?

>>30219464
they’re already there. and it’s too late for you

>>30210415
They are not desperate at all
This is part of the plan
They crash the market so retail paniksells low, then buy in low with all the printed money
Fed m1 update on 24.3
Remember this date, after it inflation may kick in hard

Can someone explain this to a dumb stupid retard like me.

My advice is to get the hell into precious metals while you still can. Either they do Yield-Curve Control within a matter of weeks and precious metals soar to the moon, or they let the stock market keep crashing and the over-leveraged banks go into a banking crisis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TSWnSzSES0).). Either way the situation will cost the Fed tens of trillions and completely trash the dollar.

You also have the danger of an imminent COMEX default. Some people are talking about their fears of "deflation" now. There is no "deflation" whatsoever. We already have hyper-inflation in the correct sense of "an uncontrollable expansion of the money supply." You couldn't even get $2 billion dollars' worth of physical silver if you wanted it, and yet the money supply is now tens of trillions; that's how bad things are. So as soon as even a fraction of this hyper-inflated money supply chases the minuscule amount of metals available on the COMEX, that's it, that's the end of everything, the dollar is exposed as a fraud and you get wiped out if you're holding either bonds, dollars, or dollar-denominated assets. And this flash-crash might just be the trigger for it, quite as it nearly was in March 2020. People who talk about "deflation" are making two mistakes right now, 1) Not understanding the right meaning of the word "deflation" and 2) Confusing the paper COMEX price of PMs for the imminent real price. You might get lucky if you jump out now and try to catch a falling knife, then again you might simply wake up tomorrow and hear that the COMEX has defaulted and that gold is now $20,000 an ounce and see GDXJ soaring 5000% in the futures market like GME or a crypto scamcoin.

>>30219464
Utilities, land, valuestocks, gold

>>30219802
invest in $AGTC and $UWMC.

>>30219784
fed discontinued m1 updates. try again

>>30219802
Rates rise, lots of companies wont be able to service their debths if rates stay high
Sell high p/e stocks
Buy low p/e stocks
Buy consumer defensive and utilities and pm and maybe crypto

>>30219019
Rising Treasury note yields can imply anticipated inflation. They are increased to remain competitive. No one will buy 10 year Treasury notes for 1% semiannually if inflation is anticipated to exceed 2% for example.

>>30215727
zoom out you fucking nigger. Did stock market 5x in last 10 months?

>>30219949
No, they added savings and changed update frequency to monthly retard

>>30220136
To add to this, buy utilities and value stocks now, crypto and pm when jerome talks about pressing rates down again

>>30219885
whats the point of using metals as a replacement for fiat if you’re most likely the only one in your community who has it

are you going to start your own ancap society where one blowjob or a kilo of wheat equals to an ounce of silver or something

that is,of course if you have the charisma or skills in public speaking to convince your place to do it

>>30220700
You just ask them if they are ok with taking pms
Then they have pms too

>>30220700
Blowjobs are not even worth a dime
A kilo of grain is cheaper than a dime already

buy into oil, utilities
win big
only sectors that will perform well are the things people can/have to use to live.

>>30220482
the R word is very racist

>>30219162
>think the fed WILL step in at some point, maybe after a crash but they must step in.
And the stepping in part is buying up more bonds so that the bond yield rate doesnt go up right?
Can they do anything other than print more money? Either to loan banks or the government? I mean at some point all this money supply is going to fuck us in the ass right?

>>30216532
Thank you sir! Let me take that bag off your hands.

>>30216114
>isn't crypto supposed to be an anti-inflationary asset?
I don't understand this either. A part of bitcoin's original fundamentals is that it IS anti-inflationary. I know we're currently seeing panic selling right now, and I don't want to sound like a mega coper, but surely btc should eventually rise back up because of what's happening? I expect there's more to it than what I'm seeing though. Possibly due to the fact that it's a risk asset? I'm not sure, I'm a brainlet

>>30221045
Im legitimately trying to help :(

>>30214818
>>30214818
It's because they have more debt now. Zoom out 100 years and rates were way higher on a downward trend. The larger debt means higher interest payments from the gov. Debt is so massive now they can't have very high interest rates because GDP isn't high enough

>>30220700
>whats the point of using metals as a replacement for fiat if you’re most likely the only one in your community who has it

You mean apart from China, Russia and all the other productive Asian nations who clothe and feed us

>>30221098
The fact that we aren't already fucked should say something. Be realistic here, time to realize the clown world we live in.

The Jewish bankers decide what happens to our currency. If they want it fucked it will be fucked, if they don't then it won't. There is quite literally no amount of money printing and gibs that matters, it's all only if the Jews say it should matter.

I'm not even kidding. Other countries have been crushed from inflation by mishandling their money, the USA is literally the nation the Jews are using to push their world domination agenda and therefore they won't let it fall, at least not yet.

The whole communist/leftist shit in the US is intentional not because they want to destory the US, it's because they realize the US culture influences the entire world so our leftist/commie culture is influencing every other cultlure in the world like a disgusting cancer.

So my point is, the US is still useful so the Jews won't let the USD crash and burn. They decide when it does, we may see a crash anyways because they need something to happen but it will only be used as a power grab and immediately be brought under control.

>>30221098
They will roll out cbdc at some point, thats what im most afraid of, simple inflation can be easily hedged with leaps but those are federal reseve note denominated, not in cbdc

>>30221351
Yes
Both cbdc and inflation are super bullish for crypto and pms, and they will kick off one of those at some point

>>30221098
They have a few tricks with some subtleties but all of it revolves around printing money in some form and manipulating government debt with that printed money. When the fed prints money directly to buy government debt, the inflationary effect actually isn't even bad. The problem is how this affects the repo markets, the balance sheets of commercial banks, etc. George Gammon recently put out a couple videos highlighting an overview of how this web of finance works. I recommend watching these videos (in this order) if you want to start understanding why simply printing money and buying treasuries might not even be a tenable solution (which could explain why they are so reluctant to do more QE):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAAdwhxzhE8&t=1114s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKa99-RE0ew

>>30219885
top chart is log the bottom is regular? different timeline too how is that fair? enlighten me I am curious.

>>30221867
superexponential growth on a linear chart still looks exponential on a log chart. It honestly doesn't matter, the difference between 1 million % hyperinflation and 10 million % hyperinflation either way just means "you are fucked." The difference between 1% and 10% inflation is a whole different story, but once you go vertical the game is over.

Rich are richer and poor are poorer. Sooner or later it will be enough and poor will kill rich people.

>>30221867

Timeline might be slightly different but 20 years vs 40 years isn't exactly the greatest difference in the world. Add to which the U. S. has had the benefit of being the world-reserve currency, which gave it a temporary advantage over Weimar Germany. (Of course it only enforced that privilege by tyranny and warfare but that's another subject for discussion).

Point is that the parallels are now obvious to see.

>>30219162
I espeially doubt they will allow rates to rise while there are still lockdowns and restrictions. Only way out with higher rates is to work

>>30221612
>So my point is, the US is still useful so the Jews won't let the USD crash and burn. They decide when it does, we may see a crash anyways because they need something to happen but it will only be used as a power grab and immediately be brought under control.

Until Greater Israel is real. Jews want safe country with no dangerous Arabs near

>>30211212
what usa did to lift itself out of great depression

>>30215831
Crack

LINK $1000 eoy!

Imo crash will be in the least expected moment as it is always

>>30222191
Start some really big wars and send your strongest and whitest to die?

>>30222087
>>30221867
>>30219885

>>30221576
well shit,its even worse than fiat,becuase its much more limited,goverments are much more caustionary and conservative in how much gold is going to be left to the public,while they keep the rest lockep up in a military fortress somewhere in atleast paper money is way easier to produce and the goverments are going to be much more liberal on how much will go into local banks

>>30222087
ok, I agree fully that makes sense thank you anon

>>30219885
one more question.... should I store diesel and gasoline in drums? I have access to fuel cards.

>>30221351
btc's attractiveness as an inflationary hedge is significantly decreased as it is in an extreme speculative bubble at the very moment you need to use it as an inflationary hedge.

>>30221032
What about reits?

>>30222386
invest in whatever is gonna kill the paradigm

>>30214982
damn actually some good advice on /biz i am impressed

>>30222386
>start some wars
Europe was already in war 3 years before the US did
Japan attacked our precious territories(colonies) so fuck those nippons
>strongest and whitest to die
The US Military never cared about race when it come to drafting army guys,it only matters when it comes to segregation(which was epic btw)
The army at the time was overwhelmingly white because that was the nation’s demographics back then,check out the demographics of modern US marines today,way more blacks and hispanics in there

Stop making everything about race for more than 10 seconds and your mind will be in a way better place than before(this applies to twitter users as well)

So real talk, the Fed has two choices here.
A) Print tons of money to try and keep domestic markets pumped at the cost of losing reserve currency status and facing devastating hyperinflation
B) Raise rates and stop QE and let domestic markets crash horrifically, stronger dollar more likely to retain reserve status and global supremacy
Ask yourself what the government wants more. The Fed is not an independent institution at all.

>>30222576
How hard is it for you to grasp the fact you can have gold / silver backed fiat money?

>>30223441
>Japan attacked our precious territories(colonies) so fuck those nippons

Because you mutts decided to cut them off from oil, ergo forcing their hand.

>>30222762
You want to be ready for several months of crisis and definitely be prepared, but at the same time don't panic and think that the world is going to collapse and go back into a new Dark Age. Picture related will give you a general sense of what is about to happen.

I'm just gonna sit on my positions and wait for all of you happeners to jump back in from shiny rocks when nothing happens.

>>30223482
So you are saying they will simply let the market crash? I doubt it anon, that would likely be the worse option for them.

>>30211212
protecc xi all cost nibba

>>30222950
So if I'm understanding correctly: Though BTC is an inflation hedge, the fact that it is in a bubble means that the retail traders are much more likely to sell in the event of high inflation, due to the need for necessities?

>>30224148
Shouldn't the recent wave of institutional buying offset this to a reasonable extent?

>>30224148

That’s assuming it IS in a bubble right now. I wouldn’t call it a massive bubble, but it’s quite a ways from the fair value. Long term holders don’t have much th worry about desu

>>30221612
Any one sensible enough to get into gold in the 30s got their door booted down by kikes in suits. The only way out is crypto and pray that they don't shut down the power. If you already have 100 acres and a nice self sufficient house wtf are you doing here. Recruit promising individuals and have them work on your home in offer of protection and enchanted IV pickaxes in minecraft.

>>30223629
they were fighting china,who (ironically)was a large importer of european and american goods at the time,and there was a chance that they could take over the 5 open cities that the west needs because they were using them as a hub to export their goods and shit,and they did(Battle of Shanghai),

>be jews
>crash economy to pwn orange jew
>act tyrannical
>ruin everything
>???
>this is literally how hitler came to power lol

>>30223482
At the end of hyperinflation, don't you need to deflate and crash anyways? I thought that was the only way to stop hyperinflation.
It would seem just go direct to step 2 would be the least catastrophic choice

>>30224385
>holding gold is bad because people can knock at your door
>holding crypto is good because no one will knock at your door, they'll just ban it without moving

>>30210963
You're right about 2/3, but China already has a Rothchild Central Bank installed. The country you were looking for is Russia.

>>30210415
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/100814/why-10-year-us-treasury-rates-matter.asp
So stocks are down and bonds. Fug

Realistically, is this worth a house in a hyperinflation habbenin ?

>>30211212
XRP, PMs, and commodities

>>30223441
This>>30223629

The correct approach is having a population with very high nationalism and no niggers in the first place. Nationalism is what makes countries strong and why jews are destroying it and only use it for their own gain. This is how small nations like Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan were able to take on more than half the fucking world at the same time and probably would of actually won had the Nazis taken Moscow when they had the chance and had the Japanese held off the pearl harbor attack. When nationalism is high in your country, internal strife is practically non-existent as people are motivated and working for a greater good free of jewish tricks and influences. Jews realized this hence why the 1941 Oil Embargo was a jewish trap to spark nationalism and get Americans to fight and die for them. You see prior to the attack on pearl harbor most Amercians did not want to get involved in the war so the jews got their puppet FDR to do everything in his power to secretly instigate shit by economically supporting allies while ignoring axis powers even though the US was technically "neutral" so they wouldn't look like the aggressors. The dumbass gooks took the bait and everything else is history.

>>30222438
This is old news. More like 80%.

>>30210963
>china is against the globalists
imagine actually thinking this..whew lad

This thread needs a Bobo

>>30223683
ok based thanks again. shame that dude was larping lol.

>>30217349
We'll figure it out, probably just live the good wholesome life. What's important right now is that this degenerate society collapses as fast as possible.

>>30219019
There is a good video on uneducated economist about it. One main reason why its bad is that if banks can get decent interest on government bonds they will wind back their risk in companies and stop lending debt to huge companies like TESLA who rely on it to survive.

>>30216400
This.
Basically hedge funds and institutions are fully convinced that inflation is about to go through the roof and they are willing to take a small loss selling now than holding the 10 T for 10 years bcs their loss would be even bigger

>>30225937
oh god I hope tesla dies. ICE IS KING

>>30210415
nobody knows what the fuck is going to happen.
I've been in over 10 of these us10yr treasury bond threads and seen over 100 different answers.
Nobody knows what the fuck is going to happen.

>>30223683
so who the fuck was selco? what ip discrepancy is that talking about?

>>30216008
With him having yield curve control in his back pocket and not utilizing it yet probably means this will be a short term correction and nothing to worry about right now. Its just the market having a hissy fit not having their way

>>30224804
Probably yes. Depends on where and what your standards are but Weimar Germany was like 6 ounces on a popular street in Berlin.

>>30224544
You are right, but that's rarely the expedient option. The US is in the special case of being reserve status, which means we have better opportunity to survive a crash, but also more confidence in avoiding it. Not that anybody, anywhere, ever has printed themselves free of crashes, but everybody's tried so far.

>>30210963
Imagine thinking the west will do anything except collapse to China

>>30223482
C
Roll out cbdc, erase debth on domestic bigcaps

>>30225086
>taken moscow
this fucking meme again,the oil fields of southern russia is way more important than muh capital city since they had a shortage of oil,this is why stalingrad was sucha massive battle,the city was the main hub for oil from baku to the rest of the country,and if they managed to take stalingrad completely,nit only they can trap the remaining 600,000 troops in the south,russia’s largest producer of oil is completely cut off from the rest of the country by land(the caspian wasnt used much since the surrounding areas very sparse at the time

>>30210415
Retard here, actual 75 IQ, can someone explain why this is bad in Barney terms

>>30226353
Selco is a con-man who wrote a fictitious account of his experience during an economic and societal collapse in the Balkans. His account has been widely shared and is one of the main reasons why most people have a misapprehension that gold is useless during societal collapses.


"I actually began to call BS myself when early on I noticed he kept writing "whatewer" and thought that was a cheesey attempt at an Eastern European textual accent or something."

The dollar is already dying. It is bleeding out on the floor with no medic in sight and the enemy is closing in.

Hoard flour and grow as many veggies as your yard can hold.

>>30224804
No because housing is also a hedge against inflation it’s just not liquid

>>30226367
so I bought sqqq just to lose money?

>>30227007
no i got that part, but the thing about the ip discrepancy threw me off. could he have been a bank glowie or some shit or some jew trying to fud pm's?

>>30213482
true dat

>>30210415
Honest unironic question: why doesn't the Fed just raise interest rates? Sure, it would probably cause an actual recession, but don't we need one?

>>30227843
Probably is the plan after we open up and go back to normal for a bit. Most likely don’t want a recession during a pandemic

>>30227843
all their friends are billionaires and have shit tons in the stock market. wouldnt surprise me if theyre flashing warning signals to the bigfags in the market

>>30210415
Just hold crypto

>>30212068
You dont think the smirky jews have technlogy no one knows about? You really think that they let us peasants know their technical advancements? They got future shit you know nothing about.

>>30227700
Not sure what his agenda is, probably simply somebody who wanted attention.

>>30213482
This.
>>30210963
>The Globalists have 3 problems preventing full World Domination.
>1. China
Biden and his pals love China. China is exactly who they want to thrive.

>>30210741
>>30219019
YOu have $100
You can borrow your either to wypipo and they will pay you back $150
OR
to a nigger crackhead, who will pay you back $500 fo shau my nigga jus gonna do sum husles in da hood, you got it back ina week
..naw for real mayne pls borrow I pay back not 500 but 600 I swear on my momma

USA is that nigger now

>>30220700
>This is how smart /biz/ users are.

Remind me why people are scared about the 10y

>>30210963
>Use Quantum Computers to break all Coins killing the market
does PoS effectively solve this or am i just retarded?

>>30230588
>does PoS effectively solve this or am i just retarded?
quantum computers doesn't break mining it breaks private/public key pairs
buy quantum resistant crypto like mochimo as a hedge

>>30228515
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

>>30228515
kek

>>30229563
>Remind me why people are scared about the 10y

Here you go

>>30210415
Buy land, they've stopped making it.

>>30232943
>I think we all know that the Fed will choose to crash it in real terms

What a retarded take
>durr hurr durr hurr, do we destroy some greedy speculators alongside some companies or instantly destroy the lives of damn near all of our citizens and lose the entire country?
Everything was going really well until he said this dumbass shit

>>30218734
Hahahahaha this was caused by loser trump. Duh.

>>30232943
>6/9/20

Anon, I....

It's deflation coming. There's been writing on the wall for years now. Speculative assets (stocks and crypto) are shaky as fuck right now in fear of getting rugged

Fed will print more money and buys more bounds

>>30210415
Jews could stop this if they wanted to which means its planned. Probably to push more people into crypto.

>>30223482
B) You really think bankers are going to give up the US as their cash cow? They want America to retain its dominance and they dont give a shit about all the speculators who are overleveraged. Ask any inflation faggot to take out jumbo loans on mansions and tell them to put their money where their mouth is. They won't. Why? Because they're larping armchair economists who think for some reason the US is just going to inflate everyones debt and free them from their slavery.

>>30234198
can you explain?

>>30234997
I needed this post thanks anon :'(

>>30216114
https://hackernoon.com/meet-spoofy-how-a-single-entity-dominates-the-price-of-bitcoin-39c711d28eb4

>>30224918
>xrp

>>30222087
https://recision.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/jens-parsson-dying-of-money-24.pdf

>>30232943
More silver doomsday garbage. The last sentence gave you away

>>30229563
Because they're desperate for their next hit of dopamine and it's actually a slow news week.

>>30235557
Makes sense, impulsively dismiss anything that you don't like as "garbage"

>>30210963
governments are not afraid of crypto you stupid cunt...they're afraid of a run on actual money which is why they are shorting it.

>>30236297
i've noticed a small influx of negativity out of nowhere. did you notice it?

>>30220700
physical pms are good right before shtf and after society re stabilizes
before shtf, you have instant liquidity
and can for example exchange some pm to get smuggled to another country
after some stability returns, you'll also have some wealth to start with

>>30219885
>this is what metal holders actually believe.
if it comes to this money/shiny rocks will be irrelevant. youll want guns

>>30236396
We're being watched.

>>30222292
I'll one up you nazi comrad, Go convince an entity to rob Iran for you for 1 iranian rial, to a bank that has reverse accounts at signs of theft (ex. $100 = .001 stolen) so it equates out to >$51 trillion. Might want to convince an AI to let you be a penetration tester at a bank while you're at it like I did, though expect it to set up a chess matrix against you afterwards.

>>30236827
These kikes are fucking scared. All it would take is everyone buying a few ounces of silver. The cracks are starting to show.

>>30224577
Gold & Silver mining stocks

>>30236827
i get that we're already hyperinflated cuz of all the money printing and we just haven't felt it yet, but what do you think will happen to markets?

>>30224649
I see this anon also knows that any non-Rothschild controlled Central Bank is automatically an enemy to the current post-WWII System of Control. It's the real reason we invaded Iraq twice (well, oil was secondary) and the reason the Arab Spring happened and the real reason Gaddafi was overthrown. Russia and Iran are all that's left of any regional world power that hasn't been brought under the ZOG banking cartel's heel.

I first laughed when I saw the /pol/ meme saying the wrong side won WWII. Now, I laugh even harder because it was completely true. The Allied Powers were the bad guys overall, protecting their own Zionist bankers self-interests. And yes, "freedom" and "democracy" are very much in their self-interests, because (as the last US election and the entirety of last year showed) both of those cornerstones of Western civilization are illusions as we are neither free nor does voting matter. The fact that people can still think that way after living through last year is a testament to how powerful control of the media is.

>>30224385
Actually retarded

>>30236823
>if it comes to this money/shiny rocks will be irrelevant. youll want guns
Demonstrable falsehood on the basis of every currency collapse that ever happened in history, see >>30223683

>>30237143
These are my thoughts on the markets >>30219885, mainstream stocks are _not_ where you want to be but it's only a matter of time before everything breaks and PMs go to the moon.

>>30215407
Nice quick rundown.
How does QE keep the rate lower? If QE is inflationary would'nt fewer people want to hold bonds and thus the rate goes up?

>>30237163
Hitler was a psy op too. He let a Rothschild free and killed millions of white men

They can literally never raise interest rates again, can they? When I look at it, interest rates haven't risen substantially for any long period of time for 40 years.

>>30238407
Correct there are so many midwits comparing this to the 10% rates that were a thing years ago. If it was that high today, the economy would be nuked

>>30238407
It's either raise them and crash this bitch into the lithosphere or make the USD worthless

>>30236827

it's /pol/ doomers/qshit dude

>>30237163
Russia isn’t good and was NEVER GOOD ya dink. Putin is a shabboz goy for the Russian oligarchs all of whom are Jewish and Zionists. Israel and Russia are great allies with each other and share technology. In fact Israel sells US tech to China and shares it with Russia. Get a clue!

>>30238407

>>30238556
yeah, they're definitely gonna let the rates rise. let the little man take the hit, just stalling so that their friends can get out of the market before it all crashes down

>>30234574
what makes you think the fed will capitulate? that's how I'm positioned but deflation means popping of the debt bubble and a global margin call. repaying debt and defaults basically means a token burn for the USD.
The means fed will reverse course and go with austerity.
And with the defaults... who's going to be left holding the bag?

>>30238798
why did the fed raise interest rates in 2016 and then shut them down?

>>30219019
Volatility in rates/bonds went retard for a few days. And then for a period of five minutes they went crypto shitcoin levels of volatility. Everyone knows rates are going up but are OK as long ad they go up at a regular pace. Right now, the pace is not regular because it can't be regular if commodity prices are correct

>>30210963
Monero is already mostly quantum computer resistant.

>>30212068
20 years is a shockingly small amount of time for something so grand.

>>30213482
Wtf is up with that club of rome shit?
Its just advertisement meant to suck in wealthy people ffs

>>30215220
Sorry bro. Nobody on biz actually understands economics. We only know how to gamble on pajeet shitcoins.

>>30225086
>them. You see prior to the attack on pearl harbor most Americans did not want to get involved in the war so the Jews got their puppet FDR to do everything in his power to secretly instigate shit by economically supporting allies while ignoring axis powers even though the US was technically "neutral" so they wouldn't look like the aggressors. The dumbass gooks took the bait and everything else is history.


Gee I wonder why FDR did an oil embargo... Either way the Japs just had to act like retards.

>>30215220
As it stands, less inflation

>>30215220
the jump means that investors are getting out of bonds. this means that to stay competitive, they lower the prices of those bonds and raise the interest you get paid off of them.
now, why are investors getting out of bonds? this is because investors are scared of inflation erasing the interest they will make from these bonds? sort of like a bank not wanting to loan you money because, for whatever reason, they won't get interest back.

why contain it
s'cool

>>30239563
its the opposite. that's why yields are going up

>>30221662
CBDC is coming by 2024 at the latest. It is already decided. We are powerless to stop it.

If anyone is wondering why crypto is tanking...

>>30224148
Yes, but eventually Bitcoin will reach a critical stage of mass adoption and more people will understand that it's a strong hedge against inflation, and panic selling will slow down. Right now people are still too pussy.

Suggest everyone move over to the stablecoin $GME

>>30239879
I figured it would begin in March. Looks like I was right. Good luck, anons. See you on the other side.

>>30237625
Yields move inversely to the price of the bond. QE works by purchasing treasuries with printed money, increasing their price on the open market, and driving down yields, which makes debt cheaper and stimulates the economy (at least in theory).

>>30238903
They were trying to "return to normal" after having them pegged at 0 for so many years after the GFC, except the stock market didn't like that very much. Basically that little test run of "what happens if we raise rates" helps make me extremely confident we simply cannot do it anymore without a prolonged deflationary collapse to reset everything.

>>30238152
Hitler was indeed funded by the Rothschilds until he got into power and then promptly did the absolute worst thing possible for (((them))): nationalized everything and issued his own currency. (((They))) lost all power over Germany almost overnight. Hitler used (((them))) just as they used him, but obviously (((they))) still won in the end, mostly because Hitler was genuinely stunned that Churchill was willing to kill so many British citizens (whom he believed to be of the same Aryan race as the Germans; brothers essentially) to preserve a clearly Jewish-infested central banking syndicate. What Hitler didn't understand was that Churchill was so adamant about keeping English dominance on the world stage, that he would fight Germany to the bitter end to prevent the Germans' rise to world dominance and use Jewish backing to do so. Ironically, Churchill regretted his decision immensely after the war but was by then powerless to do anything.

>>30238768
When did I ever imply Russia was good, retard? You are correct in that Putin is beholden to several behind the scenes (((Russian oligarchs))), but they are not necessarily part of the same globohomo faction of banking cartels. All governments suck, but at least Putin is attempting to keep Russia for the Russians.

>>30238903
It looks like every single time they try and slowly let rates rise naturally, a huge crash follows. And each time the ceiling gets lower and lower.

Obviously they try and let rates raise slowly because they know they've been building a massive bubble, and they want to try and let the air out of it slowly.

>>30240125
but it won't work, is what you're saying?

>they are falling for the fed trap
every time

>>30210415
This is crashing everything...

>>30214818
/pol/ retards bought shiny rock now because the jews told them, now have to justify it somehow

>>30239758
Source?

>>30227733
To be fair, almost all novelty Ushankas sold in Russia have that soviet pin on them.

>>30210963
Imagine thinking that Tel-Aviv-Beijing-Washington axis are not the same

>>30220136
>Buy low p/e stocks
There are none anymore

>>30223441
Imagine being THIS goy

guess Im just gonna dump these bags at a huge loss.

>>30234198
average person has all their wealth in 401k and home equity esp. the latter, it makes sense they will prop the market up

>>30239491
FDR was a Soviet spy you dumb faggot nigger. Kill yourself Shabbos goy

>>30240094
>deflationary collapse
if I default, banks are going to be on the hook
if the US gov defaults... who's going to be the bagholder?
so many people and institutions will be freaking wiped out with cash, specifically USD being the only safe asset.

>>30240355
what?

>>30240533
boomers dont buy bitcoin lol

>>30241400
>muh 401k
>average person
You mean the average boomer which is about to become useless as it retires. I would say the average person has most of their wealth in savings account if any. Who do you think the government values more: younger wagecucks or old boomers? It makes sense that they would be willing to sacrifice everything to keep their slaves alive

>>30239491
FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and chose to pretend not to receive the official Japanese declaration of war. He let it happen and went with the narrative that it was a surprise attack because he knew it would galvanize an otherwise ambivalent American citizenry to clamor for war, thus giving him casus belli. A war his ZOG handlers wanted mind you. 60 years later, 9/11 is no different in scope or reasoning.

>>30210963
There are already post-Quantum cryptographic algorithms.
You're just a brainlet.

>>30242434
This I already knew. I am a fellow poltard after all. Hell even if I was a real leader of a neutral country that hated the Soviet Union and not doing sneaky stuff to get involved I might have done the Hull act to stop senseless killing in Asia seeing as the Japanese weren't attacking them and attacking China.

>>30242951
shh don't agitate him he needs this outlet...

>>30210415
if it gets over 2 i think we see a literal meltdown

>>30243247
it was over 3% in 2018-2019. what's the big deal?

>>30243660
>this will never be my wife
ow oof

>>30237411
>>30236297
>>30232943
>betting against gates
the intrinsic value of gold and silver is extremely overstated

>>30244054
>the intrinsic value of gold and silver is extremely overstated

there is no such thing as 'intrinsic value', all value is subjective to each individual What you are referring to is utility, which is objective. Of course, gold, silver and other precious metals have enormous utility. Its not worth talking about economic matters with someone who doesn't understand such a rudimentary principal as this

>>30244408
>AKSHUALLY WHAT YOU MEAN IS
ok then the utility of gold is extremely overstated

>>30243660
The big deal is that this isn't 2018-2019, this is 2021, and the absolute state of our country is atrocious. We're running on fumes from cheap debt.

>>30240645
If you don’t have some shiny rocks of your own, it is you who is the retard.

>>30244493
>utility
>gold
Maybe if you're making microchips.

>>30240094
I mean, the deflationary crash isn’t guaranteed, but inflating the debt away is. We either have a deflationary crash and then massive inflation (maybe hyper), or we go straight into massive inflation. Inflating the debt away avoids default.

>>30244732
As long as women exist they will always want jewelry, and men will always be there to buy it for them in exchange for access to their holes. You can say it's stupid but that demand will always be there. Gold has "utility" in that regard even if as a man you don't care.

>>30241613

>>30244493
>>30244732
>The utility of gold is overstated

https://geology.com/minerals/gold/uses-of-gold.shtml

If gold were abundant, it would be used everywhere in industry. It is precisely because it is so scarce that it instead has been reserved for luxury, and it's qualities make it a fantastic medium of exchange and store of value.

In 1800 in England, 1 acre of agricultural land cost £40/10oz gold

In 2020, that same acre cost roughly £7000/3.5-40z gold.

If you turn on Bloomberg or CNBC international, they are live streaming the Chinese Two Sessions right now where they are saying their GDP growth target is over 6%. I know, probably bullshit, but chink leadership makes the US look retarded.

>>30244969
I'm a winner and there's still a Jewish conspiracy.

>>30245053
>GDP

Bullshit measurement.

https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights/monetary-distortions-of-gdp-in-2021

Look to China's gold reserves, commodity stockpiles, manufacturing capacity if you want to see their enormous position of strength relative to the west.

>>30245104
>I'm a winner

>>30214982
RYCEY 20x EOM

>>30240715
The Federal Reserve website. Go look into what FedNow is.

>>30243660
target inflation is 2 (lol, implying) and the gov't wants to print a shitload of dollars. at .6 they're basically free, at 2 they are not. who do you think is paying for all these trillion dollar packages? all of them but the fed said no thanks. tutes are explicitly not backing the dollar anymore. JPM said they weren't buying at 1.4. if you don't have buyers for the debt, rate goes up. no one wants us debt right now. even the fed is just "monitoring the situation". if you've been aware for the last four years you know what that means.

>>30245256
Already locked and loaded anon. tho it wont be 20x, but maybe 2x in the next fw months

if we come together as a collective and nobody pays their taxes what the fuck could they do. we could overthrow the government if nobody paid their taxes for 1 year

>>30223683
that feel when we already have that

>>30246261
what would actually happen?

>>30246261
fed

>>30246391
>if we come together as a collective
newfag

>>30225086
i cant believe people unironically think this is schizo shit, its so obvious, over and over again

Everyone selling right now is fighting the FED as well as fiscal policy. Bears are fucked because the printers aren’t quitting. If I had more money I’d buy right here with everything

>>30245053
China is gonna become the largest economy in about 5 years. Look at the geopolitical situation and how the Chinese are gaining strength and intimidating their adversaries without any interference from the west. They would have been doing that if they weren’t in a strong economic position. Financially China holds a very large amount of us debt. Now just imagine if they just dump it all at once what would happen. I don’t think it’s gonna happen bcs that means they are just diminishing their holdings value. But just imagine if they do in the middle of this $$$$$ crisis

>>30245053
Our leadership IS retarded. They're investing in niggers, strong transwomynz, and kickbacks to whoever sends a child to suck their dick that day, and we will reap the fruit of that labor.

>>30245885
can't the fed just buy its own debt through some talmudic magic?

>>30236827
We need to stop encouraging schizos.
Pretending to be retarded invites actual retards.

>>30246725
This is why XRPG was created. That bear has no meaning.

>>30215727
Idk I'm an asko holder and I'm pretty happy

>>30246684
>the fed march 2020 - january 2021:
yeah we're buying
>the fed in febuary 2021:
we're monitoring
they could easily end this, but they aren't. why? what's corporate debt doing right now? looks like it's moving the same way. cui bono? megacorps who operate outside of government and already issued tons of debt below the ten year at the time that they didn't even need. weird.

>>30241613
I don't care if he was Ronald McDonald. He nuked Japan TWICE and that's why I love him.

>>30222576
that's why you buy it before that happens, while there is still a bit of freedom to do so lel

>>30210415
Trump tried to warn us that Powell is a retard. But we didn't listen.

>>30248139
trump nominated powell you dumb faggot

>>30238917
>the pace is not regular because it can't be regular if commodity prices are correct
Would you mind elaborating?

>>30248295
Yeah, but he openly regretted his decision, retard. If you can't keep up, fuck off.

>>30248623
>yeah but he openly regretted his decision
>i can't keep up
go camping and clear your mind of all that jewish cum

>>30225971
Where do they put their money now though? Just gold /silver? This should be easy to tell by the price of them.

>>30210963
Nigger

>>30210963
>Crypto = Use Quantum Computers to break all Coins killing the market, be waiting in the wings with a Quantum-Resistant Crypto that you control and start selling
OR
just buy it all

>>30248623
Trump never made a solid hire in his entire Presidency.

>>30248766
they've been moving into btc and small caps. and the "value trade" has been going on since before covid.

>>30248981
i don't think he was ever meant to.

they call me average down man

>>30211212
Buy Gold and Silver.

>>30248623
where'd you go?

>>30210415
Let me explain what’s going on with rates, and in particular the 10Y.
1. First and foremost - inflation expectations. Should be obvious.

2. Speculation/Hedging. A lot of hedge funds are short the 10Y and more recently, a lot of institutions have been shorting the 10Y to hedge their bond portfolios from a rise in rates.

3. Risk parity funds that need to rebalance because the traditional “equities down, bonds up” correlation is out of whack

4. Convexity Hedging. This is a bit more difficult to explain but I’ll try my best. When an investor buys a mortgage bond, they are assuming that the underlying mortgages backing that bond are going to prepay at some particular “speed.” In the US, the mortgages backing these bonds are generally 30 years in length, but investors assume borrowers will prepay a portion of these mortgages over time so they are never viewed as true 30 year investments. However, when rates increase dramatically, like they’ve been doing over the past few weeks, assumed prepayment speeds slow, as it is a lot less likely that the borrowers will prepay as quickly as previously forecast, because they would likely be refinancing into a higher coupon. This causes the duration of these mortgage backed securities to extend, and investors often need to hedge this extension risk by selling treasuries (selling duration)

This causes a feedback loop. Rates increase due to inflation expectations/speculation & hedging activity from market participants, mortgage investors then sell treasuries to hedge their positions, which has a snowballing effect of causing yields to increase further. This is not dissimilar to “Gamma squeezes” where a bunch of people buy call options on a particular stock and a dealer is forced to hedge their short call positions by buying more stock, driving the price up further.

How this ends is anyone's guess.

>>30245608
But what if they just decided to roll it out earlier?
Neither the fed nor a government is to be considered trustworthy

>>30244836
Western women want different jewelry today tho, they dont care for the value of the material but the looks and the price
What you talk about is alive in muslim cultures for instance where the jewelry is the only thing a women really owns should a marriage end badly, they want gold because it has value and its their emergency fund

>>30244408
Faggot

>>30240946
Look outside of the us
I know this is hard for burgers to understand but the last year lots of money flew into us stocks, non us stocks are not as overheated

>>30247341
This guy knows whats up
These megacorps own the government
Its all a ruse

>>30251686
>Look outside of the us
>I know this is hard for burgers to understand
I unironically have difficulty with the concept, frankly. Stocks are already out of my element, but at least I was born in the US and am familiar with all the major companies. I can at least separate the wheat from the chaff. Investing in foreign stocks to me is like investing in Martian real estate.

>>30210741
Bond yields rising makes stocks and real estate less competitive. As yield goes up so does mortgage rates, leading to lower home prices.

>>30251686
2024 is literally the LATEST they could roll it out, They've actually already bumped it to 2023. It could come even sooner.

>>30227007
is this the 1 year in hell guy? ended up buying lighters when I read that infograph

>>30252009
Yeah he's the lighters guy. I'm pretty sure there are thousands and thousands of anons with way too many fucking lighters because of that one infograph. I'm one of them.

>>30210963
>China
Model for World government
>Iran
Model for World religion
>crypto
Model for World money

It's like... pick all you said and multiply by (-1).

>>30211212
Buy January 2040 puts.

>>30251984
Do you have any info if fedcoin will be legally the same as fednotes in terms of debth denomination and shit?

>>30251815
Wrong
Bonds are shit in this political climate where everything is paid for by printing, no matter the rate
Rising yields means no cheap debth refinancing for corps, means corps are at risk means stock prices plummet

>>30244969
Way to show him kike. Got anymore maymays?

>>30223798
Need a quick rundown on this

>>30252089
tricked by the bic

"The best crypto project is $MCM

> post quantum secure
> future of crypto
> no ico
> didn’t solicit any investment"

>>30252089
kekeke same fren bought like around 100, still have them. But i feel like any small item with some use can be bartered still so I don't regret it. Unless they will explode, hopefully not.
Daaaamn, recommended this to a few people too.

>>30252586
>>30252681
I got 50 of the cheap lighters on amazon for like $11 total, I don't regret the purchase since they all ended up working normally and I didn't pay the bic premium. Too bad I don't smoke, I guess.

>>30249977
im right here faggot

>he doesnt remember trump berating powell for raising interest rates during his presidency

>>30226114
I too hope tesla dies, because it's a shitty company, but ev are here to stay.

>>30210741
This is a 10 year government bond interest rate yield. If you loan the government 100USD you will get in return 102 usd in ten years. Thats assuming the interest rates dont fluctuate against your favor. In other words there is no confidence in U.S. future Government.

>>30228515
kek, accurate

>>30247341
ok so what should i do? tell me before you go to sleep fucker.

>>30216114
if there's inflation in usd than assets like bitcoin will also inflate

>>30220700
t.

>>30216114
Btc literally made ath just a week ago, wtf are you talking about?

>>30252802
>most powerful man in the world
>talks shit
>does nothing
>lets hundreds of his own people get arrested
kys
>>30253368
are you white?

>>30210963
buy guns

>>30228515
NIggers always swear on MUH "Dead Granny Grave"

>>30252962
>102 USD in 10 years

>>30252962
Really?
I thought it would be annual gains(losses)

>>30251686
Not an argument

>>30254304
It is, he's just retarded.

>>30254358
You know what I ment faggot. Either way the U.S will fall like rome. The global power has always shifted from Babilonia to the west slowly. This day and age it is wrapping around the world and while the Global power shifts farther west to China and east asia, It will loop back to the middle east. Back to Israel and Babylonia right before the One World Government.

>>30213846
it's all about the rate at which it is changing rather than the interest rates themselves

>>30253759
yea why does that matter