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how low will TSLA go?

Can anyone explain how today is NOT a bull trap?

>did you listen /smg/?
>did you buy the dip?
:^)

>>30300663
because I'm still red

>>30300682
yes

We're all gonna make it bros

>>30300682
>Not understanding GEX this hard
smfh

I'm considering rotating into utilities. Thoughts on BEP, or any of the other players?

>>30300663
I could see us just violently crabbing like this for a while until there's a big enough catalyst to send us higher or lower

>>30300852
So I guess selling covered calls will be pretty fun for a month.

According to my expert analysis, TSLA should crash into the ground any minute now, marking the sourest of all hours.

>>30301063
some ones posting fake Musk death articles on /pol/ right now kek

>>30300663
We've spent the last three weeks pricing in the rates movement and what it might mean for equity valuations. It's no longer a surprise, and we're still in a VERY accommodative fiscal and monetary policy environment. We need continued downside surprises, which likely means HUGE rate spikes even larger than what we've seen the past month, or devastating economic/Corona data/news. If the rate of change in yields stabilizes, then markets could adjust to that new data and go higher while adjusting positioning. Indices are starting to look oversold in the near-term, while under the hood you've got sector-specific strength YTD that still has room to grow as the US economy recovers.

>>30300682
>buying the dip
Very nice.

I'm still red while the market is deep green. Should I quit stocks?

>>30300682
Wtf GEX is no longer listed...

https://etfdb.com/etf/GEX/#etf-ticker-profile
>VanEck Vectors Global Alternative Energy ETF

>carnival down 11%
Fucking make your mind up.

>>30301467
Hey, man, I'm slowly nearing the turning point. It's just been a bad few weeks for most of us.

>>30301626
I guess he means Gamma Exposure

>>30300682
>the return on my 0dte SPY calls / UVXY puts that I bought on the dip today

>>30300826
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4379827-vpu-best-of-breed-in-pack-of-dogs

Please tell me you bought, and didnt sell or (god forbid) SHORT the dip

>>30302180
>Seeking Alpha
I know, I know... And everyone else says it's good too...
I'm probably just on edge because I missed the daily dip.

Any recommendations to buy right now? I feel like all stocks are memes at this point

>>30302625
AVGR is still at a decent entry currently
it's more risky than other positions however
they are a medical device company, basically a metal 'tube' that goes into your arteries and clears out plaque without causing damage
the world is getting fatter every day - everybody will need their arteries cleared of plaque
if the sell-off continues, it will get hammered, 20-50% downside risk

>>30302625
I'm probably gonna go buy some coffee, I'm almost out so it seems like a good purchase

>>30302839
>if the sell-off continues
What a ride that would be. Might actually cause a spook, and more dips to buy.

>>30302625
I'm still bullish on KTOS and MAXR and haven't sold a single share, but they could keep dropping if the market keeps dropping

>>30301256
I think this dip extended the current decade-long bullrun by another couple years at least. It's probably pretty safe until 2025 at this point

>>30302852
Is coffee good for you?

>>30303259
Really? Do you have any actual reason for that? Because to me it was not nearly big enough for enough breathing room fpr another 5 years. It feels to me like the first signs of the bull market since 2009 imploding into the collapse it needs to reconnect with the economy. Interest rates WILL destroy the market, and thats going to happen before 2025

I lost too much these past 2 days.
Fuck stocks, I'm gonna gamble options now.

>>30303518
THIS guy gets it

DING DING DING. How comfy did you get today? -1.15% right here after being much much worse hours ago. Got to soldier ever onwards.

Well thats a bullish close on the week. No last minute profit taking mega dump like last friday. We’ll see how next week goes. I already bough the dip bigly. If it goes down more that’ll just be extra delicious
Good luck to you lads

>>30303764
+2.69%. Have a comfy weekend, fellas.

>>30303764
-10.61%
Better than yesterday, I think.

>>30303764
+0.16%, but I'll fucking take it after the last month

>>30303764
+4.5% thanks to my cursed pennystocks tearing +55% and +17% right before market close
doesn't erase my 10% loss for the week but at least makes the weekend less bitter

>>30303764
>+1.14%
>$400 away from being back at $100k

come on monday!

follow dex for Justliquidity
don’t make quick dump
>put 400$ on farming
>waited a month
>push to 1200$ farming pools
taxes so low, rofl don’t cry about gas on ERC

>>30303764
Up +0.33% today and up +1.66% this week.
Rough times. Not sure what to expect on Monday.

>>30303764
0.1% again, with a ton of biomemes and common memes, hedged with some puts
I don't know what to think about this.
My Sharpe ratio is 2x than what I would have without these puts, but I'm not on margin and my net gains are a few percent smaller per month.
I guess this means I'm a better investor, but it doesn't feel like it.

>>30303764

+7%

Ive been in crypto 5 days :^)

Lol I lost $200 of my girlfriends money after I finally convinced her to start investing

>>30303764
I dont even keep track these days but a nice green day. Doesnt matter. I said it during november after making a sizable soxl purchase: if my entire portfolio goes red that just gives me a chance to buy more for cheap. I listened to myself today

>>30303764
>I shouldn't have sold my VTI so quickly
>I shouldn't have waited till the close to buy VPU
Literally every lesson I learn is the wrong one.

>>30303413
>rates WILL destroy the market
Huge hikes would be bad for the global economy. Many companies exist solely because of cheap debt. This past decade saw a huge rise in zombie corporations globally. Every central bank understands this, and therefore understands that long-term, rates cannot markedly appreciate without serious economic consequences - let alone consequences for sovereign debt. That's nothing to say about the labor market recovery impact. Doesn't mean the golden bull run is safe, but I don't think we're at a risk for tapering anytime this year. Maybe 2H next year, so we can see a slight bump in rates in Q1 2023.

>>30303820
What are you holding?

>>30303888
How did you manage that on a green day?

>>30304147
>>30303764
Oh yeah... I'm up. Like, a lot. More than I was up on Thursday morning.

But I could have been up even more

>>30303764

>>30304253
I agree, i think this year is safe. Next year is when i will be on the lookout. Q1 2023 is later than i expect but i would be happy to be wrong. I simply think that the healthy thing for the global economy would be the rip off the bandaid. Will that happen? Very unclear, since it IS clear the profit machine isnt necessarily interested in a “healthy” economy or market

+3.89%

>>30304256
Mostly ARKF, FTXL, SOXL, HL, PSLV, ISWH, SFTW & GEVO.

Can someone please explain to me, as a (+60k salary) poorfag, should I try buying enough shares for options?

kek, wheres the smug c3.AI poster? and i know its you TLS shill

>>30304256
I think it's taking my OTM short put option position into account, since the worst performing stock I held today has -4.26% P/L.

>>30304482
I think Powell has consistently said they would provide well in advance notice regarding tapering, which would itself be advanced notice regarding rate hikes. That might mean a warning at the end of this year regarding tapering starting in Q2 next year (at the earliest in my mind), but his remarks regarding a broad-based labor market recovery AND a commitment to OVER-extending the easy monetary policy environment in order to promote real (wage) inflation due to sustained labor market participation both have me believing we'll see QE infinity for longer than we expect. I think the shock to the labor market was just too large.

>>30304639
Huh. I guess Semiconductors carried the day?

So what‘s going to happen with growth stocks this year? I want to get in some semiconductor growth stocks like LSCC and MRVL maybe AMD and MU. Probably this is going to be a rather safe bet, right? I’m a bit late to the party, I know. Thoughts on these companies? Any other ideas on that sector?

>>30305112
Since JPow was very transparent about the metrics they use (although "sustained" will be a judgement call), I'm pretty sure the rate hike will be priced in well in advance, and the actual hike won't cause that much trouble.

>>30305330
>I'm pretty sure the rate hike will be priced in well in advance
That is what the market attempted this week, before giving up when it became clear it was a bad idea.

>>30305112
>we'll see QE infinity for longer than we expect
We might see this forever if UBI starts to pick up steam. Fed buys Bonds, Gov uses that money to provide UBI

what low effort etf do i invest in? I'm tempted to just do something like VOO that tracks the spy, but that includes shit like tesla and facebook which I believe are overvalued as fuck. Or am I wrong and fundamentals don't actually matter. Are china etfs a good idea?

>>30305518
>giving up when it became clear it was a bad idea
How did it become clear it was a bad idea? Why would it be a bad idea?

>>30305639
You can join me and buy the VPU dip

>>30305518
I think it was more of a "after-coof reopening" rotation, combined with some positive feedback shit in bonds that basically noone outside high banking understands.

BTW, it may not be past tense just yet.

>>30305639
Don't buy chink stocks in chink stock dumping season.
And the answer is of course 50:50 TQQQ/SOXL, or 100% TQQQ if you want to be conservative :^)
I don't consider Facebook to be overvalued, it has the lowest P/E in the FAGMAN group AFAIK. TSLA is absolute shite tho, and you should buy puts on it.

>>30305330
Same, but I also agree with >>30305518 to an extent. We'll probably see sporadic bond and equity vol depending on the ROC in yields and what Powell says about labor market progress (and what that implies for rates). I think that tug of war will go to the equities market so long as real rates are negative.

>>30305620
>UBI
Doubt it. Wealth would flee the US. You can't short squeeze the tax base.

>>30305711
>>30305518
Well, there is still some fuckery going on with shorts on the 10yr....

>>30305862
UBI if well implemented would be awesome. But it won't so it's not even worth thinking about.
BTW, if the Fed keeps buying all bonds, and sooner or later equities, the US will become by definition a fascist state. But with jews on the top.

>>30305231
Yeah, they recovered the best out of what I'm holding. I think I ended yesterday down nearly 10%.

>>30303764
+0.14% still mostly cash because I'm a bitch.
Shit week overall. Have a nice weekend to all.
I'll be lurkin' to read posts by the smart anons.

>>30305862
>Wealth would flee the US
I love how dumb this talking point is. Where would they go?
>Russia: radiation poisoning
>China: reeducation camp
>Europe: even more "socialism" than the US
>India: stoned to death for blasphemy
>ME: Don't make me laugh

>>30303165
Well I do have KTOS. Bought a few days ago when I thought I'm buying the dip but it kept dumping so I'm down 15% there now too

>>30306163
Thanks for buying my bags

>>30306048
Based Nazbol retard

>>30306091
>not an argument
CA is facing the same issue with regard to taxation and an exodus of wealth/business. Corporations have huge off-shore assets. You're acting like people won't go to any extent to preserve capital, and markets won't be built around that fact, e.g., Ireland (corporations) or the Cayman Islands (individuals).

>>30303764
-0.55%
I don't feel any pain.
In fact, I wish today is a bull trap — if it goes much harder down my losses would be nothing compared to future gains. But now — meh.

>>30305620
It takes forever to agree on a one-time check. It would be too optimistic to dream about UBI anytime soon.

>>30305639
You don't like ETFs that track companies with "bad" fundamentals, but at the same time you are contemplating investment into an economy that wouldn't even be honest about its fundamentals. Nuts.

>>30306091
You are going to Brazil!

>>30306163
I hope you know KTOS mostly sells scifi hopes and dreams, right? It will collapse immediately when free debt runs out. Much like PLTR (unless they change their fundamental structure).

Btw, did you guys hear about PLUG being a bona fide fraud? It being still valued so high irks me to no end.

>>30306484
The problem is the ALREADY do this. Unless the tax code is massively and completely overhauled, the rich will continue to pay literally nothing if they so desire.
Because they have the means to do so, and face little to no penalty. The former President bragged about this sort of thing.

>>30306250
>>30306543
Nooo don't say this to me.

But KTOS actually makes profit while PLTR doesn't. Also I do see drones being the future for warfare

When the government releases these real interest rate stats, are they calculating inflation based on the CPI?
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=realyield

>>30306484
The CA exodus is way overblown. All that happened is that their net inflow started to decrease.
The big companies were never incorporated there, nor did they pay much in taxes.

I fail to see why implementing UBI would make wealth flee. If it's implemented like this:
- UBI, but the absolute minimum needed for food, rent, and internet
- No pension, unemployment benefits and other handouts
- Large flat income tax
- Low to no corporate tax rate
- No minimum wage
It would be great for businesses, because workers would be super cheap.
From what I've read, the govt could do it without a deficit too.

>>30306705
That's why I held for so damn long. Too long.

I actually believe in them, but the market decided technology is fake and gay.

>>30306705
Maybe the comparison to PLTR was inaccurate. They are more like WKHS. Their valuation stems from hopes of govt defense contracts. When in fact those contracts will go to current incumbents. And KTOS may sell to them. Are they doing that?
Their fair stock price should be around 10-15, not 25 and up.

>>30306820
>CA Exodus
Oh yeah. Think I saw an article about that. It's mainly just folks leaving LA, and SF but staying in state, or something.

I just skimmed the headline.

Bought Pepsi calls today with a return of 890$

>>30307177
>LEAPs on boomer stocks
Is this the /biz/ equivalent of fusion cuisine?

Just a heads up /cmg/
Bank of America issued a report today saying they believe the Fed will issue yield curve control
It is why we saw the insane turn around rally - institutions buying everything in mass
https://youtu.be/kHkVHb23H20
Mannarino talked about it in his post-market update today
If you're still bearish.. stop. When the Fed actually enacts YCC you will get your face ripped off, today was just a taste

>>30307310
Still made 890$ in one day. Slow and steady value investing.

>>30307359
If we dump on monday for any reason im going all in. I wonder why jerome didnt mention ycc at his conference though? Fed ust wasnt finalized on it then?

>>30307359
>Operation Twist II, Long End Boogaloo
Wew fucking lad, big if true. So far, they've had no reason to do so. They've maintained that long term rates can run hot so long as markets remain orderly. I've been on the Operation Twist bandwagon for a while, if the ROC in yields became too quick, but I don't think we've reached that point yet in the Fed's eyes. Did BOA give a timeline?

>>30306691
You're right, they already do this, and it would only provide further incentive to extend tax evasion even further while the middle class gets squeezed because they don't have those same luxuries. I think the that second part is the bigger drawback, and would cause a lot of turmoil socially and politically, which is primarily why I don't think UBI is feasible here. The demographics don't support it.

>>30307359
Wait, really? If I knew this happened, I'd have immediately sold my TSLA put right then and there.
Why didn't ZH report on this? They usually all over this shit. See pic related.

>>30307359
Jesus, this is hard to watch.
Also, if bonds stabilize because institutions think Yield Covered Calls are coming, the Fed won't even need to enact it.
It will be like Minority Report.
>But did the wooden ball hit the ground tho?

>>30307502
>I wonder why jerome didnt mention ycc at his conference though?
I expected him to do it then too, but in reality it's unrealistic to expect them to do it at a WSJ event
They will 'likely' announce it after next Fed meeting
>>30307608
>Did BOA give a timeline?
I haven't read their official report yet, I'll let you know if I hear anything - I'm assuming though next Fed meeting, 3/17 ~2:00pm
If the bond auctions coming up are bad, possibly moved up before
>>30307617
Not sure.. I didn't see the report myself during market hours - trying to find it now

>>30307608
>The demographics don't support it.
UBI is reparations.
Or maybe reparations is an almost perfect UBI?

>>30307880
>If bonds stabilize because institutions think YCC are coming, the Fed won't need to enact it
>Fed mind-fucking markets and markets bullying the Fed with selling
The story of the last decade, desu.

>>30307967
I needs me money for dem programs.

>>30300587
sauce on the anime girl on the top right of the pic?

I have shares of Suncor that I bought last month. The expiration date was on the 3rd and the print date is on the 24th (I think).

If I sell some shares of Suncor now, I'll still receive the dividend for those shares on the 24th right?

>>30308819
Does it matter? Share prices drop immediately after paying dividend by exactly the dividends price.

>>30308919
i thought the price dropped on the expiration date not the print date?

>>30309010
Tell that to my PEP holdings.

>>30308685
Golden Boy

>>30303764
I got comfy as fuck today.

>>30306820
the net inflow and outflow is not what's important. huge amount of white flight (tax money) leaving the state

>>30308919
Often, not always
Often people will re-invest their dividend back into the company, buying more shares
>t. Set university record in stock market simulator through trading around dividend dates

>>30310089
>Oil
>Financials
Is this what we've come to? Are these really the industries that will propel humanity forward?
Ugh.
(Ok, maybe oil, because fuck the greenies and gimme that cheap energy, but banking?)

>>30310201
That was a pretty bad simulator then.

>>30310269
I just daytrade and do short term swingtrades based off of TA. I don't care about the industry whatsoever. I honestly don't research the companies either.

>>30306917
>And KTOS may sell to them. Are they doing that?
https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/missile-defense-weapons/skunk-works-reveals-speed-racer-configuration
Yes, for example they're providing the engines for this LockMart drone that was just unveiled

Remember this anon that bought minutes before the close, if we open down on Monday he's gonna lose -$500 every 0.80%.. roughly

>>30309806
have you tried zero sugar pepsi?

>>30310493
Huh. That's actually pretty good. But providing small cheap turbojets does not really come close to what their marketing materials have you believe.

>>30307359
I've spent an hour digging, and I'm convinced that Greg's schizophrenia finally caught up to him and now he's imagining whole BoA reports.
>bullish for tinfoil

>>30310912
desu the aspect I'm most bullish on is their space services revenue increasing proportionally to number of satellites being launched – they're working with Microsoft to provide ground systems for Starlink, for example

the drones and lasers are cool but the boring ground systems is where the big money might be at

>>30303764
+1.62% thank god too, I was afraid it would keep going down

>>30311062
lost

>>30309979
Specifically I think it's the bike race episode.

Does anyone remember how much time it took for the SEC to spank Musk for the "Funding secured" tweet? Because they are investigating his Doge and GMEME tweets, and I want to time my puts right.

>>30311465
Well, Musk has a tendency to bring core technology in-house as soon as they can. They have recently fucked SolarEdge over by making their own inverters for example.

POSH starting to look a little decent.

>>30311709
Please don't

i went to sleep because my internet went off and i was really tired and everything pumped

>>30310452
>I honestly don't research the companies either

unequivocally based

>>30310452
How much do you make a day? How’s your ratio of wins and losses?

>>30310269
>Why invest in banks?
Because that's where the money is!

>mfw ARK bought even more WKHS
I mean... I don't even. Will people actually flock back to WKHS based on pure cope energy?

The sad thing is ARK still holds a shitton of FB and AAPL (they only sold half of their positions), so they can keep getting away with this utter idiocy for a lot longer.

>>30314064
I average 4% to 5% a week. I use a swing trading method where I buy a high momentum stock that has just broken over the 9 day SMA (like FFIN COLB USB CNA) along with other TA indicators. And a scalping technique where I buy high momentum stocks that have steadily gone up in price recently (like CPE NBR NXST AXP). I use an aggressive stop loss (around yesterday or todays lowest price point, depending when I buy). 60% or higher of the stocks I pick go up the next day. And the stop loss prevents any real losses.

>>30314899
I wonder how well this will work in an extended crab market

>>30315222
With all the indicators I use, my stock scan is usually limited to about 30 companies tops. Every stock will be performing well short term (10 days), mid term (50 days), and long term (200 days). So there's never really a legit "crab pattern", which I guess is what you're talking about. I can post the indicators and scans I use if you, or someone else, is interested.

>>30315851
I mean when the market itself (and most stocks) is crabbing, your indicators will not return any companies. Or worse, it will return ones that are already high, and will just dump.

Maybe you can backtest your method on some 2018 data somehow, but I'm not sure if there's any tool for that.

Anyone still in NOK?

>>30314500
Was the USPS contract really worth 50% of the company? I fucking hate the government so much. All contracts are seriously just nepotism, and fuck the WKHS CEO or the government for leading the market on.

>>30300627
How does 5$ sound?

QQQ price target is 100$ Conservatively.

Do you know that QQQ bottomed at 25.63 before this bull run started? 25.63 to current high 338.19 has been this bull run. 1200% gains in a fucking index. I don’t think people realize how absurd this is.

>>30316038
I never had issues during 2018. Mostly just the height of COVID breaking out. But there were still stocks that fit my criteria. Just very few, and so I reworked my scan a little during that time.

>>30316367
That contract was worth 89% of the company, the rest is their 10% stake in RIDE. They are only above $8 right now because of the immense amount of cope and "There's still some chance of rewinning it". Of course there is none. (There was a very good DD pasta about why not)

There's a reason Steve Burns left WKHS to create RIDE. I think he knew they had an ice cube's chance in hell of getting that contract, if Ford/Oshkosh is in too.

>>30316438
I guess you might as well post a screenshot of your scanner settings then.

>>30314899
Are you averaging 4-5% since the covid crash or since 2018? Because if the latter, you should've 400x-ed your money by now, at least.

>>30302625
amd cheap as fuck right now

>>30316768
I've only been trading for a little over a year. And got my method down about 6 months ago. But I've made great money since then.

This is the scalping scan. If I'm buying at market open, then I'll look for good candlestick patterns yesterday. If buying at market close then I look for good candle stick patterns as of today. I set an aggressive stop loss, and only hold for a day.

>>30316768
This is the swing trading set up. The only real difference is that it looks for stocks that have just opened above the 9 day SMA, and doesn't use MACD as momentum indicators can lag. It finds stocks that about to go on a decent bull run. I look for good candlestick patters here as well. And will hold the stock as long as it continues to climb. Another difference is that you'll find the stock isn't "oversold" by Stochastic, RSI, or Bolinger Band indicators. So it has room to grow, unlike my scalping setup where I'm only holding for 24 hours or less.

>>30317634
I meant "overbought," not "oversold." And I increase the stop loss each day I hold, as the price climbs.

>>30317634
I'm surprised this averages 4-5%. But that's the clown market for you.
Let's get back to this in like 2 years. I hope you won't have a few too many consecutive unlucky weeks with it.

>>30315851
>I can post the indicators and scans I use if you, or someone else, is interested.
Yes would be very interested. Was afk, so my excuse my late reply. And thanks!

>>30317956
Thanks.
I may have to make adjustments in the future. But the TA is solid. And the fundamentals usually coincide with the TA. I could potentially buy these stocks at a dip as they are good long term. I'm just buying during high momentum periods.

>>30316421
>new paradigm

>>30318359
No problem.
I already posted the scans for another anon. Pic related is what I look at. The scans will narrow everything down. And then I want to find a good candlestick pattern, and check out my indicators. Type some of the tickers that popped up in my scans into sites like swingtradebot, and tradingview (technicals section) to see if I'm full of shit or not.

The blue line is the 9 day SMA, and the purple is 180 day SMA. Below that is RSI, Stochastic, MACD, and ADX. They show momentum, stock trend, overbought/oversold, etc.. And my scans combine them together. Research the indicators. You can find out how other people use them (or what they look for) on youtube.

>>30318249

>>30319044
Meant this for you. I'm a little drunk.

>>30300852
We will know pretty quickly next week what’s up. DOW was crabbing for weeks as the other indexes topped and rolled over. Then in half a day today the DOW put on 600+ points and was right back to where it was. Russel couldn’t buy a downtick for days as the Nasdaq was dumping. This whole thing was mostly a tech blowoff and forced selling from funds IMO sure retail participated but it wasn’t redemptions and the public is not back to piling into shit despite deeply negative P/Es cause “stocks go up”. I’ve been short since mid February and I’m still short now. I don’t believe this rally today and fortunately I’m short (mostly) via short calls above all time highs so time is my friend here.

This dip shook out some of the froth for sure but people are still panic bidding garbage to the damn moon.

At least I saw this ruse coming in the premarket with that stupid ramp making the plan for today blatantly obvious. Hedged the shorts near the lows when ticks went green and though I didn’t beat daily inflation I didn’t lose and money. Covered the hedges while people were bidding spoos to retard level towards the close and now I’m nearly as short as I was Monday evening hoping for a repeat.

Stocks have no business up here and smart people have realized that already.

>>30319103
Great, will do. Thanks again!

>>30319244
What is your analysis of the ARK family of funds?

How would you short ARKK or ARKW? Assuming you wanted to do so

>>30319367
Good luck anon. Just remember to use an aggressive stop loss (usually at the lowest price point for today if you buy at market close) or your losses can overtake the gains.

>>30319467
My analysis is that ARK funds will blow up and Cathie will be out of business by this time next year.

I’ve been wrong before though. Maybe it’s 6 months maybe it two years. Maybe it’s never and I’m retarded. I outperform here though and I ain’t buying those meme stocks.

Hypothetically if Elon died tomorrow, would TSLA go up or down?

>>30308919
That makes no sense. What do they do just force change the bid/ask that traders have already set?

>>30317066
Too bag they can’t come up with any GPUs and zen3 has a 25% DOA rate.

>>30320878

>he thinks the bid/ask are set by other traders

Have you heard the term “market maker” before anon? You have never in your life bought or sold anything from or to another trader. It all goes through market makers. Aka computers aka the Jews. If you have a resting bid in when they change the price in the premarket and it jumps below your bid you won’t get filled unless it bounces back up. Same issue with stop losses in the extended hours. They can jump right past your number and you are left bagholding as the stock goes 7% lower and then tanks at the cash open.

>>30320878
"the market is rigged"
Gregory Mannarino 3/4/2021

>>30320644
Down so violently it crashes the entire market