/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>50959596
Truthpilled

>>50959596
yes please please please go get a CS degree :)

>>50959596
Political science
Unless you are a chink lover

Computer Engineering is pretty much the same thing as CS

>>50959596
sounds like someone is copeing and can’t find a job because they are a lazy nigger

>>50959792
No, it’s because I actually work as an engineer you fucking moron. Starting salaries have been stuck at 60k for a decade, most engineers don’t even make six figures unless they’re in areas where you have to pay a million dollars for a home, and the advancement is nonexistent. It’s a dead career field

>>50959596
Engineering used to be the thing men used to study what happened to the unemployment?

>>50959596
Gender Studies
The Queer Arts
Black Studies
Womens' Studies
Philosophy
Business
Anthropology
Communications

>>50960023
All on par with engineering these days

>>50959596
Shitposting on 4channel

>>50959927
I'd wager it's been gutted like everything else, for every productive employee there are at least three middle managers getting a piece of his earnings and nit picking powerpoints to justify their jobs whilst making his more tedious. If any role can be outsourced or scripted or automated or done by illegals then it will be.

>>50959843
the salaries are only know because people agree on them

>>50960071
>know
low

>>50959670
>Unless you are a Kike lover
ftfy

I genuinely think these threads are psyops to get more American students to become codemonkeys and keep the Engineering field less saturated

>>50959596
im a customer service engineer. i used to be a sales engineer in the telecommunications department

>>50960038
Are you the mechanical engineer who constantly spams the demoralization threads?

>>50960119
I think so too

>>50960129
probably is

>>50959769
No it's not what the fuck are you talking about? CS is software, computer engineering is hardware. Obviously there are crossovers but the only SE I've ever done is via Python/.m for data analysis

>>50959596
Fast food engineer here working at the tills, can confirm engineering is a dead career

>>50959596
Engineering fields are literally some of the best foundations to start a career. With just mechanical engineering bachelors you can work your way up to running factories or go into corporate. These fields are only "dead" because tons of lazy unsocialized midwits got tricked into thinking learning calculus and a couple physics classes would be enough to cover for their lack of social skills

>>50959596
Only 5 of those are actual engineering roles. The rest are not.
>inb4 nuh-uh
Which ones are ABET accredited?
Not yours lmao

>>50960141
computer science is a meme phrase. it's like saying "building science", when I'm a structural engineer.

>>50960578
When I hear CS my mind just autofills software engineer. I don't know any "computer scientists" that work on hardware and I only know a few computer engineers that work on software, and their work is all in ML.

>>50959769
Comput**ING** engineering would be more appropriate. Computer "science" is a meme phrase. It's like calling people who design machines "machine scientists" instead of mechanical engineering.

>>50959596
Damn, only making 250k/yr, really sucks my career is dead now anon.

>>50960613
they should call it "comput*ing* engineering" so it covers both. "computer" science was a stupid title, it'd be like calling people who design battery mediums "battery scientists" instead of chemical engineers.

>>50959596
I used to be a shitty mechanical engineer until I became a Top G hustler who makes 100k per month and have 7 bugattis on my private cargo plane. Want to know how?

>>50959596
Architect here, the job doesnt differ from working in a warehouse sanding some mechanical pieces 12h a day. You feel like shit doing the same thing over and over again without any hope for career growth because for most firms you will become competition once you start your own business and they will drive you out of business into poverty. Manual jobs are the most underrated, some carpenter has more money, freedom and happiness in his job than any average architect.

>>50960731
then you're not working as an architect, but as a drawing technician,.

>>50960476
This,

I'm a social retard so I get socially retarded jobs. The only way I get paid more is if I ask questions and generally act like a monkey about my pay. Or I keep my head down and focus on non-work stuff.

>>50960023
Philosophy is a real subject, unlike the others listed.

>>50959843
Wagecucking is a worse career decision than any other time in history. Hierarchies are so established that unless you start working in a talent funnel (FAANG, Management Consulting, Big Law, Private Equity, Investment Management, etc...) you will never make it.

Unless you have the chance to be fed into one of those talent funnels coming out of school, you should just start your own business. The experience you get working for a few years at companies that aren't at the top of their industries and don't provide training programs (which is pretty much all of them outside of those highly selective talent funnels) will be meaningless.

It will be a complete waste of time slacking off for $30/hr max with other wagies staring at the clock until 5 PM rolls around with your employer just expecting you to Google everything. This applies to 99% of jobs because it's rare nowadays for companies to provide valuable training to their employees through 2+ year-long mentorship programs like these talent funnels do.

So just start a fucking business if you aren't working at JP Morgan of Microsoft to start because you will spend 5-10+ years trying to get into those companies just to waste the most productive years of your life and be paid a decent wage. At that point, it will be too late for most people because they will have a family and kids, and won't be able to put out more effort than required because they will be burnt out those first few years on the job trying to climb the corporate ladder. At that point, the chances of starting a successful business and becoming wealthy are almost zero.

>get a finance degree
>end up shuffling papers for kikes for 60 hours a week
>quit and become a tradie
College is a meme unless you are super specialized and come from money.

>>50960476
Yes, then you can finally make $95k per year once you are in upper management instead of the $65k you made starting out, meanwhile you can make $170k as a new grad software engineer

>>50961200
Yeah but software engineers live in places where cost of living is 3x higher

>>50959596
>>50959668
>>50959843
>>50959927
>>50960023

It's hard to tell if these demoralization threads are being created by russian/chink agents or dumb fucking zoomers.

Can you stupid zoomer niggers stop complaning about making 60-70k out of the gate as a 21 year old? why do you think you deserve more money than that? You have 0 real world experiecne and spent the last 4 years jerking off and drinking beer in college. Why the fuck do you need a house at the age of 21?None of you have families unless you are a dumb nigger who got someone pregnant at age 16

>>50960055
Why has it been gutted when they build everything?

>>50961200
>meanwhile you can make $170k as a new grad software engineer

I mean fair enough, but when the bubble bursts hope you saved enough $ and gained enough transferable skills to carry your career forward when you have to compete with 200 million indians who know js. Meanwhile the engineer working at lockheed or raytheon has job security as long as the usa keeps fucking with brown people

>>50959843
I'd like to hear more actually. How old are you anon? What are some of your (or friends') personal experience in the labour market for engineering
>mech eng student

>>50959596
> Lawyer
> Accountant
> Anything related to image processing from radar operators to the medical field.

>>50960967
The biggest problem by far is excessive population. Any avenues to wealth will instantly be targeted by others in an attempt to get rich, causing the wages to go down. Just look at software development, it had a good 10 years of being the best way to upper middle class and now that there are so many software devs inflation has skyrocketed and houses are unbuyable in any area that has a tech presence. The bar is raised in the areas that you can obtain a job, effectively keeping you down.

>>50961485
stay away from CAD, try to work in the most complex, profitable manufacturing type company you can. Silicon, Pharma, electronics, all viable. Make friends and work on your personal skills as well. be an autist but don't act like one. If you're still early in college join some clubs or honor societies and make connections. Try to pick out the nepotism kids from the rest, and leech off them to get your foot in the door

Otherwise if you're trying to boomer max go work for a defense contractor

>>50960476
Basically this, I graduated Mech Eng and most of the jobs right out of college were heavily reliant on CAD. CAD is incredibly easy and why most entry level jobs are 60k - easy to negotiate down in salary due to lack of social skills. I skipped that shit and went to managing in construction companies where any engineering degree makes you more qualified than most of the workforce for management roles on scheduling and budgeting side. Now I work comfortably at home making $130k as a consultant and possibly becoming an associate director. Not ideal, but I have plenty of time to enjoy life now.

>>50959596
>Electrical Engineering
>Computer Engineering
?

My gf did integrated circuits EE and landed a 6 figs offer prior to graduation.

>>50959596
Electrical and mechanical are the only engineering professions in this list. The rest are hobbies for the ladies only.

>>50963329
*and civil engineering, my bad

>Amazon warehouse worker

I don't mind enginiggers atleast they do something useful and inspiring. Computers "programmers" on the other hand I want to smash their heads in with a hammer. Completely worthless end products making my day worse cause manager laptop monkeys have a means to shit on you through "muh data". I wish some rogue enginiggers would drone nuke India or something.

>>50961547
none of these are true.

>>50960023
>tfw Ph.D in Nigger Studies
It’s over

>>50961200
Laughs in 110k MechE job non-chicago Midwest city. 1 YOE.

>>50960023
I studied social sciences - anthropology, gender and international development.

Now I consult for $180k / year.

Literally just be good at your job, make connections, then tell your employer to fuck off and start charging competing businesses for your knowledge.

>>50959596
unironically started learning to code (python). I'm lucky in that I have a cushy gig at a family operation but they wanna sell up in ~3 years and well, I no longer want to follow my dream of becoming a glowie (no vaxx no work and i aint getting vaxxed). good thing mum and I get on well so at the least I'll never be homeless.

>>50959596
I'm in parasitology. Never gonna not have a job because there will never not be whites who can afford health insurance that go to some god forsaken shithole like Africa and get worms or a protozoa

>>50963912
>Throw career aspirations into the trash you ain't gonna get vaxxed
This is why poor whites still exist after 300 years of privilege. Shooting yourself in the foot for the sake of pride and then bleeding out on the pavement.

>>50964055
Coon

>>50963732
Proof? It would be a real whitepill if its real. What sort of work do you do

>>50964083
Sorry sir I'm from India. And we do anything we can to get ahead. Taking everything out of white hands because whites are too proud to get comply with regulations.

>>50964104
Just like a retarded jeet to think that all whites are born in upper middle class homes.

>>50964099
Apps engineer at a foreign electronics firm

>>50964099
Apps engineer at foreign electronics firm, suburban Wisconsin

>>50960792
>philosophy
Philosofags are literally useless and provide zero benefits for society.

>>50965932
>Philosofags are literally useless and provide zero benefits for society.

>>50961200
>$170k as new grad
stop spreading this bullshit and clogging up the hiring process with bootcamp shitters that can't even write a for loop. the only ones getting $170k starting as SWE are ones working in-office at downtown SF where rock-bottom rent STARTS at $3k for a roach-infested closet.

>>50960625
Who cares dude it's just a name. It is what it is now

>>50966125
It's true when was the last time society needed philosophers

I made 150 cad first year at nova chemicals

>>50960625
They are completely different dude. You think the physics and logic of building a circuit board is in any way comparable to the process of designing software? Computer engineers know how transistors work and shit. Computer scientists / software engineers deal in code, algorithms, etc. Jesus christ why the fuck do people have such strong opinions about things they don't know dickshit about? fucking kill yourself

>>50960625
In other words, computer engineers build computers. Computer scientists use already-existing computers to solve problems.

Genuine dead careers are

>Law

Completely oversaturated to the point where it cannot be said to constitute a white collar career, you're likely to be earning the same wage as tradesmen working twice as hard and doing 20% more hours.

>Accounting

Machine learning will devastate this field more than any other. As soon as the language models are down pat, churning out reports for businesses will become an automated task. It's already a semi-automated field.

>>50961767
I'm applying for similar roles as well. I have a background in engineering and have been doing project management a lot. Now I am planning to switch companies. Do you know what kind of companies I should target? Similar to yours ?

>>50959596
I got my degree in economics (very heavy on data science, probability and stats at my school) and got a job as a quantitative analyst at Google. Shits pretty cash.

>>50967343
Nobody told you hardware engineering is the same with software engineering. I'm saying a phrase that unifies the two (as a more general education) is retarded to be called "computer science", because all they do is closer to engineering and not a core science.

>>50959596
>MA in Music
>120k/yr

Comfy. Oh cuck cube job starting at drawings and autocad all day? Ya, nah not for me LMAO

>>50961258
>Responds to a demoralization thread with more demoralizing
Trolls are truly gifted. Kek will see us through this kali yuga.

>>50959670
Polysci degree can confirm. Graduated a decade ago still not making $20 per hour yet. Then again, I am not in a political field at all, because I can never get those jobs. So many people want to work in politics that you basically have to volunteer and work for free for years before getting a paid gig

>>50959769
nah it's just EE w/ computer option that has been renamed for marketing purposes

>>50961243
>Yeah but software engineers live in places where cost of living is 3x higher
Good ones are living wherever they feel like right now

I should add
>egyptology
The ONLY job you could get is to teach it in history class.
Which makes it a pyramid scheme

>>50967938
your pay is "adjusted" according to your immediate area's cost of living.

>>50967405
The real purpose of accounting is to dilute responsibility, so if the IRS or SEC comes around the client can blame the accountant and the accountant can blame the client. Computers can't do that.

>>50961258
I made more than that my first year out of college chud and I worked 20 h work weeks

Raytheon and Apple keep trying to get me to work for them. Should I?

>>50964104
The irony is, you're doing exactly what the upper castes did to enable the British, instead of selling out other Indians (a term which is equivalent to European, I might add), you're participating is the destruction of humanity's freedom. And for what? This is why parasites are enabled, because people are so willing to be cattle.

>>50967967
>your pay is "adjusted" according to your immediate area's cost of living.
"adjusted" down from 300k to 250k in the case of my company

Structural engineer here. Make a comfy AU$130k (90k freedombux) after 5 years, which is enough to service my apartment mortgage in probably the Southern Hemispheres most expensive city. It’s interesting enough and there’s opportunity for career advancement but the salary caps out soon enough if you want to remain doing the fun work (technical stuff) rather than managing projects and people.

My job is to support environmental engineers. You might say its a dead career but your kids will be stuffing their mouths with ze bugs soon enough

Pharmacists have the worst future job prospects for all professions according to BLS. They estimate there will be fewer jobs available for pharmacist in 2030 than 2022.

Pharmacy schools are still pumping out 15k students per year.

>>50968257
Schools aren't here to teach. They are hear to make money. Imagine if they shut down some of the schools to accommodate this. That means they have to reallocate funds due to less students enrolling, leading to tighter funds. Do you by chance know why the pharmaceutical field is decreasing?

>>50959769
Computer engineering is a trap fucking degree. The classes are fun but there are barely any entry level jobs, the pay and QoL is bad compared to SWE, and most of them want you to have a masters degree at the very least. If you can somehow manage to get your foot in the door in the industry you’ll be all right because there are tons of mid and senior level jobs, but NO ONE will hire new grads especially if you only have a bachelors. Oh and if you ever want to swap to electrical engineering good fucking luck because despite the huge amount of shared curriculum, no one will touch you for an EE role. Myself and most of the people I graduated with just gave up and became SWEs instead.

I'm starting a telecommunications engineering master's next semester. Should be done in 2/3 years. How fucked am I? (EE background)

My salary potential cap will be 110k because I’m not job hopping because I get 5 weeks of vacation and holidays

I mean I can always go into management but I also don’t give a fuck. I bought a 1700 sqft house in my state capitol for 160k

>>50959596
You dont pick a career merely based on the salary, especially the beginner salary.. involve yourself in business instead
Are you fuckin 15 op?

>>50968456
Is that the fuckin arcade toy machine
No wonder you make bank sonofabich

>>50968516
no idea looks like a bunch of cylinders on an indexer. Just a random pic I found
T-thanks for saying I make bank but I don’t make 110k the salary range is 60-110k I’m in the middle

>>50968537
Well technically calking it making bank is true as long theres what to deposit in the bank

>>50961702

i went the defense contractor route, getting DOD money is to fucking gravy

Title "engineer" is inflated. In IT literally everyone is engineer, codemonkey software engineer, service desk, desktop support ENGINEER, server admin, network engineers that literally do only ping and nslookup, security engineer that knows how to configure AV.

>>50960967
Lots of truth in this post.
>t. EE who makes way less than my college dropout brother who started a business at 25-26
Running a business is more work, but you actually do useful work and get to keep some of the profit for yourself.

>>50969729
country?

>>50959596
animal token promoter

most engineers are just glorified admins

>>50959670
>Unless you are a chink lover
explain

>>50967343
>You think the physics and logic of building a circuit board is in any way comparable to the process of designing software?
according to my 'fundamentals of computing architecture' and electronics 101 courses, yes, yes it is similar
Physical circuits are logical circuits just like software libraries are preconfigured components built from logic circuits. It's just a different medium of expression on different inputs, but the logic is the same.

>>50964104
>Taking everything out of white hands because whites are too proud to get comply with regulations
sounds like massive cope for having your own people sell each other out to the british east india company. Oh and if you didn't conform? You got bombed.

>>50966125
yeah I'm pretty sure 99.999% of all modern philosophy is regurgitated bullshit in one form or another, because 99.999% of the most important insights have already been properly developed into actionable frameworks. Or at the very least, philosophy has pushed us to the edge of what most humans are pragmatically capable of even comprehending.

>>50971153
>Physical circuits are logical circuits just like software libraries are preconfigured components built from logic circuits. It's just a different medium of expression on different inputs, but the logic is the same.

just an amateur electronics hobbyist but this is a gross oversimplification even at the hobbyist level. go ask a real life computer engineer about the difficulties of designing high speed digital signals and fighting parasitics and other signal integrity issues.

>>50968257
pharmacy is a scam. 99.9pct of products are not needed

>>50960071
No, they’re low because there’s a neverending stream of competition coming across the border every year

>>50961258
21 year olds should be able to buy homes and start families, you retarded faggot.
That should be the norm and you'd see massively less drop off of employees when they actually have something at home that makes their investment in work have purpose.

>>50963912
You do know they're not enforcing the mandate requiring an experimental gene therapy shot if you're a capable(read:white) candidate, right? That's only for the quota filling diversity hires because there are so many of them to choose from, and they don't do shit anyway.

>>50960071
retard libertarian 22 year old hasn’t realized that his cool Indian friends in college will be the reason he can’t start a family

>>50967529
indeed, engineers make well over 100k to start in my city. i suspect any wage stagnation is not caused by a lack of demand but socialized losses for truly incompetent engineers.

>>50959843
Median home prices in my area are under $400,000. Make $140,000 a year as an engineer.

>>50960967
Damn, the only good post in this thread and even on /biz/.

I know people hate on Luke Smith but he has a good point here:
>https://odysee.com/@Luke:7/you-ll-never-go-wrong-choosing:0

The only way you will ever make it nowadays is getting lucky off some investment/crypto gamble or starting your own business.

>>50972124
joining pre-IPO companies and wageslaving still yields a chance at making it through stock options. but like anything else, jews have ruined it such that it's now much harder.

>>50971575
uh no you should have to slave away into your 30s before you're allowed to experience what even poorfag life has to offer

>>50960702
By pulling out your own teeth and investing in kneepads?

>>50967569
>>50963856
>180k

I memed myself into doing a polsci development degree, about to start a Master's in econ development. Am I fucked?
>t. no real experience

>>50972160
ruined it? besides the bear market, isnt it easier than ever that way right now?

>>50959596
Trader
Investor
Only Fans

>>50973613
The only way you're making it through stock options is if you received the stock 10 years ago
companies will pay you 30k less and offer you stock that is worth 10k right now and will be worth 5k in a year. Like all good things, it's ruined by the time (you) find out about it.

>>50959596
English professor

>>50959668
any degree in itself is useless. you can work in it without a degree however once you start your career you will probably want to get one anyway if you're a corporate drone. well, either that or certs. if there is something you want to build then it doesn't matter one way or another. you can view mit ocw lectures for free on youtube anyway - just follow their course syllabus and you're golden. i'm pretty sure you could pretend to be some african poorfag and write to their profs and they would answer any questions you might have, too.

>>50971238
>yeah I'm pretty sure 99.999% of all modern philosophy
You have no clue what philosophy even is, smoothbrain.

>>50967569
>So many people want to work in politics that you basically have to volunteer and work for free for years before getting a paid gig.

Is it everywhere like this?

>>50959596
based

>>50959596
as an engineer I feel like other engineers in some way or another just end up in some company coding

>>50975375
what are philosophers supposed to do? most end up as teachers in schools unless they have connections, don't they?

>>50975936
It's actually one of the more lucrative majors.

>>50976072
That's because they go on to read Law

>>50978179
Nope. They're more likely to go into software development.

>>50975936
i went into new construction sales and make way more than the mid-career salaries the other anon posted

>>50978328
its because a lot of people with daddy connections study philosophy

I studied philosophy and make $240k in software.

>>50978357
Wrong. Those losers study fake subjects like "business". Philosophy majors have the highest GRE scores because they are the most intelligent people in academia.

>>50959596
I wanna study civil engineering because structural design and construction is based + I learn all the basic engineering math/physics. I don't wanna be a wagie anyway so why not just study something useful that interests you and try to start a business with your skills? Much better than working soulless 50-60hr/week on finance/tech fuck wagielife