/biz/ - Business & Finance

Just do futures.

Professional ticket scratcher here. It's a tough niche as you can get really heavy drawdowns so you need a sizeable starting capital. The first year or so is almost guaranteed to be tough.

>>50966602
>Professional ticket scratcher here
I can't tell if this is bait. If it is, 7/10.
Otherwise, how do you calculate odds and gain the 50%+ advantage?

I mean the only real gambling you can win at long term is poker but even the best poker players in the world basically grind all day every day for slave labor and still are very highly likely to go broke, and the only ones who actually make good money in the end are the ones with sponsorships/ selling out to their fans to lose money themself on various scams

>>50966805
>I mean the only real gambling you can win at long term is poker
This is incorrect, you don't know what you're talking about (and that's okay!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_counting

>>50966814
I know what card counting is but casinos are now using an absurd number of decks plus will ban anyone who is winning long term anyway.

You are talking about grinding a 5k bankroll to 40k. With the varience, time, and skill needed to do that and your no doubt intelligent you could make 3x that much quicker and with no swings with a normal job.

>>50966875
Again, you are misinformed but that's not a bad thing.
>plus will ban anyone who is winning long term anyway.
I've been backed off from the same casino twice. Come back a couple months later after getting backed off while wearing very different clothing and they don't know who you are, unless you are dumb enough to let them scan your ID.
>your no doubt intelligent you could make 3x that much quicker and with no swings with a normal job.
Card counting is very simple math, it just takes a very large amount of time to train. Anyone that posts here can learn how to do it if they put in the 100 hours or so.
>a normal job.
I tried working a wagie job and could never keep one for longer than a year. I much prefer doing things on my time instead of a set schedule

>>50966499
I've been averaging 250k/year playing online MTTs over the last 3 years. Games have been unusually good due to the bull market and pandemic. If you're smart and can't/don't want to deal with workplace politics it's a viable path out. Very tough without having a large starting bankroll though

>>50966943
you sound like a total loser

>>50966499
study expected value in texas hold em poker. if you practice long enough you can calculate in a couple of seconds how much you should bet on a particular hand to make money on average in the long run. play as many games as you can and you'll get a feel for the strategy around where you're sitting in relation to the dealer and strategies with bluffing

Buying in to poker tournaments is the way to go. If you don't finish in the money, you lose 100 bucks, but if you finish in the money you make x10 to x20. All you have to do is learn position betting at your table, and only put your money in when you've calculated the odds correctly.

>>50966499
You're a fucking loser OP. STFU and go change your diaper, you fucking weirdo.

>>50966508
Shut your fucking mouth you fucking mouth breather. Cuck yourself with the local Pizza Hut slut, retard.

>>50966602
Look at this fucking incel. Don't talk until you've left your mother's basement, you worthless sack of shit.

>>50966674
Wow, what a fucking genius! Cope and seethe at other's success. Keep dreaming you little faggot.

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>>50967037
KYS.

>>50966499
Every single guy on biz is a professional gambler by definition.

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>>50967095
What a strange bot
>>50966985
You ever have a sketchy site refuse to pay you out?
>>50967102
Professional means making it, not shilling some pajeet alt coin

>>50966499
There are no “professional gamblers”, only poker players.
Poker is a game of skill.
I can play craps, blackjack and roulette to pay for “free” drinks.
Poker is harder, because everybody at the table has more experience and a better idea of the odds.

>>50967119
Nah, I stick to pretty safe sites. Biggest issue I had was in a private club (big thing during covid, much less so now) where I won a tournament for ~50k. Took my agent a couple weeks and breaking it into a dozen payments, but he got the job done.

>>50966508
Literally this op.

Futures and forex. Learn them. Then get a price fund acc, pass a challenge then weird a 200k account.

I still play poker online for fun but to make real money is hard on there, most people no on there are either bots are very good regardless. You don't run into fish anymore in Texas holder.

You run into the in ppt limit Omaha sometimes but rarely.

Damn I'm going to boot it up now and play plo. Thanks op.

>>50966499
>alright betch clutch up
>we need a ded ded ded
>duel duel duel
>come on dickhed
>i am down MILLIONS

super profitable

>>50967249
this motherfucking hit 15mil earlier and barely reacted. 75-100k spins for HOURS.

>>50967164
>There are no “professional gamblers”, only poker players.
As a professional sports gambler its good to know I don't exist

>>50966499
>gambling
>professional
good one, anon. very good

>>50966499
professional slots player here, AMA.

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>>50967119
Haters gonna hate.

Any craps players here know a thing or 2 about dice control?

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OP, what games do you play? I've never been much of a poker player, but I've thought about professional gambling. To be frank, I wish I could've been of gambling age 25-40 years ago, with the old school video poker machines. There was actually a time where a pro gambler could make 30-40k a year on video poker. Now it's more of a crapshoot.

To me it seems like the best games for professional gambling outside of poker would be Roulette or Baccarat. I guess blackjack could be good if you're card counting, but I don't even know how card counting works anymore. Don't most casinos and dealers use 6-deck stacks of cards? Doesn't that make card counting much more difficult?

>>50967698
>OP, what games do you play
I just card count Blackjack
but I don't even know how card counting works anymore. Don't most casinos and dealers use 6-deck stacks of cards? Doesn't that make card counting much more difficult?
No, 6 and even 8 decks are very countable. Card counters don't keep track of every card, there are much simpler methods like high-low.
You do have to be choosy about what casinos you go to though. Some Casinos have shittier odds like paying 5 to 6 for a black jack instead of a 3 to 2, which kills your edge. Some casinos also do continuous shuffling, which makes counting impossible.
You just have email the casino ahead of time, pretending to be a tourist asking about their table rules to know if it's worth going to.
There's so many small town casinos around where I live, so there's a ton of opportunities.

>>50967698
>OP, what games do you play
I just card count Blackjack
>but I don't even know how card counting works anymore. Don't most casinos and dealers use 6-deck stacks of cards? Doesn't that make card counting much more difficult?
No, 6 and even 8 decks are very countable. Card counters don't keep track of every card, there are much simpler methods like high-low.
You do have to be choosy about what casinos you go to though. Some Casinos have shittier odds like paying 5 to 6 for a black jack instead of a 3 to 2, which kills your edge. Some casinos also do continuous shuffling, which makes counting impossible.
You just have email the casino ahead of time, pretending to be a tourist asking about their table rules to know if it's worth going to.
There's so many small town casinos around where I live, so there's a ton of opportunities.

>>50967698
>Roulette or Baccarat
Neither of these can be EV+ unless the roulette wheel is miscalibrated. The main pro gambling choices are sports betting, poker, or blackjack. Other forms of advantage play do exist but are rarer to find people making a living from it.

>>50967518
I don’t know anybody that can make a living out of it. But I knew a lot of people that made a living during the 00’s poker boom.

>>50967518
What data do you crunch to get odds?

>>50967807
My system for roulette works well and is based off the same principles of a dice thrower. I watch the screen of a ball roller for about 20 or so rolls, and see which number comes up most frequently. Then I look at the wheel and pick that number and 4 to the left and right of it on the wheel. Very good success rate. Craps has the most favorable odds for betters in a casino though.

Actual career poker player here. Some of these replies are mind numbingly retarded. AMA 32yo mostly retired

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>I watch the screen of a ball roller for about 20 or so rolls, and see which number comes up most frequently. Then I look at the wheel and pick that number and 4 to the left and right of it on the wheel. Very good success rate.

that sounds like it's just luck. Especially if the roulette dealer isn't starting the ball at the same spot every spin. If it works though, good for you

personally this is why I like the electronic/mechanical roulette games. The machine spits out the ball at the same velocity every time

>>50967863
This guy is a huge fish. We make fun of people who think like this all the time. Not very smart and will not make it in any game that requires a brain.

>>50967851
Most sports these days have official or semi official repositories of data online, so I just scrape them and throw input features at neural networks until I get a model close to optimal.

>>50967863
20 rolls isn't a large enough sample size even if the wheel is miscalibrated, which it likely isn't. A Spanish dude did this in the 90s and made quite a lot but you're extremely unlikely to find uneven wheels these days.

>>50968005
>Not very smart and will not make it in any game that requires a brain.
You're not factoring in anon's use of lucky numbers. It's impossible for him to have a negative day!

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>>50968017
rollers like dice throwers have tendencies. It's been proven.

>>50968090
I remain unconvinced dice control is doable. Even more unconvinced roulette dealers are biased enough to have an edge. I'd be genuinely interested if you have any evidence otherwise.

>>50968149
controllable is not the same as tendencies. I'm talking ODDS, not a guaranteed lock, and how to increase them. The roulette roller isn't even aware of what their number tendencies are (they dont even care where it winds up), and the game itself tries to prevent tendencies with all the bumps. But would you rather bet the entire fucking wheel, or narrow it down to 1/4 of the wheel with increased odds? There was a show called breaking vegas and it had an episode that discussed tendencies for dice rollers. Lots of other episodes about scientific ways to calculate better odds.

>>50968343
Yeah I understand how odds work I gamble for a living. For the vast majority of advantage play you can find documented examples of people making money from it until casinos fix their leak. For roulette the only person I know of is Gonzalo Garcia Pelayo, and his strategy was based off biased wheels not dealers. Hence I'm skeptical, especially when you reckon tendencies would become apparent in 20 rolls (you'd need to see thousands).

>>50968438
rollers get switched out too often. You wont get to see thousands. I've seen enough from a roller. One number came up 3 times, and sure enough and majority of other numbers on the screen were on that fourth of the wheel. Go look anytime you're there. Dont even bet. It's there is plain sight.

>>50968506
Well good luck exploiting this fairly simple advantage then, you should be a millionaire fairly soon.

A Casino cheater named Richard Marcus made millions using a simple cheating system at blackjack. It was 99% psychological, and he rarely got caught in two decades. He wrote a book about it called "American Roulette."

He says the cheat move works just as well today as it did in the 1980's and 1990's. The entire thing is based on stacking your Black Jack chips a certain way so the dealer can't see the high value chip hidden under the lesser valued top chips. If you win, you leave them as they are and collect your winnings. But if your hand loses, you act frunk and remove the chips from the table. When the dealer catches you for this, you put the chips back, but this time you've replaced the high value chip with another low value chip. So basically what is happening is that you are betting $550 per hand ($500 chip capped by two $25 chips), but if you lose, you reduce your bet to $75 (three $25 chips). This is a form of cheating called "past-posting."

If I had balls of steel I would go out and try this cheat at least once. But I don't! But YOU do! Good luck, anon!

>>50967582
Yessir, invested in a practice craps table and practice on the daily. Even invented an algorithim based on your throws that gives you the best diceset to minimize sevens / maximize desired numbers. Dont feel comfortable betting like a "professional" though

>>50968017
I think I have a strategy that can win in the long run for UFC betting. Is it possible to automate it? Some inputs are subjective though. I've ran the data points manually and had some decent success

Stephen Paddock did this for a living. That guy got comped so much fucking sushi. I bet you guys all eat a Taco Bell.

>>50968957
I normally get a free shitty buffet meal ticket and some drinks I can't drink. I try my best to avoid fancy resort casinos and such because they generally have awful rules.

>>50968343
This is really interesting. It's absolutely true that people have tendencies and do things their own way. For example, everyone has a unique way of walking and talking, so of course each Roulette dealer should subconsciously roll their own way too. The question is, doesn't the casino know this and correct for it?

>>50967433
you know these eceleb gamblers are given ghost money (likely the casinos money or just made up numbers on screen) to burn through, its done to entice people with real money to believe that the online casino that eceleb plays guarantees profits. Which I'm pretty sure your aware of that, right?

>>50967935
>Some of these replies are mind numbingly retarded
its biz bro, c'mon man!

Straw drawing champion reporting. I've never drawn a short straw in my life. I'm also training to compete at rock paper scissors because I always win the first game. I can just look at a guy and go, he's a rock thrower, he's a scissors thrower, etc. but I can only predict the first throw. If it's best 2/3 I'm less confident on the second throw, that's why I need to train.

>>50968858
What casinos would this work at? I can’t imagine any casino that I’ve been to would letting me get away with picking up my chips after the hand

>>50967095
Sometimes I too also come onto /biz/ just to insult others.

>>50969081
not the case with ice. he's down massively, does nothing but burn money in 40 hour binges while cracked out

getting a max win like 15mil barely even dents his losses in the last couple weeks

>>50969172
>What casinos would this work at?
With HD security cameras, none

>>50966499
can you suggest some resources for learning blackjack?

didnt realize it was beatable until i watched this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO6aPOkCt84

dude just crushes

>>50969202
I dont watch ecelebs, again its prob just ghost money. I dont know what his net worth is but imma go on a hunch and say that its all smoke and mirrors. Its quite common in the social media/influencer circle.

>>50969081
not the case with *trainwreckstv*. he's down massively, does nothing but burn money in 40 hour binges while cracked out

getting a max win like 15mil barely even dents his losses in the last couple weeks

>>50969226
>can you suggest some resources for learning blackjack?
First, learn basic strategy. Just google image search for it and you'll find a million charts, pic related. It will teach you the mathematically correct move for every situation. This must be memorized 150% before you can do anything else. You can play some free online blackjack game to teach yourself. You want to be so comfortable with basic strategy that your moves are automatic, without any thought put in them.
BlackJack Apprenticeship has a very overpriced online course that you should avoid, but some of their youtube videos are great for some general knowledge.
There are plenty of little web games for testing the "high-low" card counting method, again just google for it.
When you get the hang of both card counting and basic strategy, buy 6 decks of cards and a 6 deck discard tray and deal cards to yourself. It feels totally different with real card and you want to prepare yourself as much as possible before heading to a casino.

>>50969251
so you think trainwrecks is worth 500m+?
He's gambled 5 billion on Stake (at least), with an RTP of 97% he's down so much I can't even be bothered getting out the calculator

>>50969360
he won like 27m today(not counting his losses) and barely flinched

500m networth seems reasonable

certainly if you're worth 100m you would have some kind of reaction for that kind of money

>>50968942
If you can code you can automate pretty much everything with sports betting. The only bit I do manually is putting the bets on and I'm going to automate that eventually.

>>50969226
I watched some of that video you linked, it's fairly inaccurate, or maybe it's only accurate for Vegas or this was how things were 30 years ago.
When you get approached by a pitboss, he isn't going to drag you in the back and break your kneecaps, they'll just ban you from blackjack and invite you to a losers game like slots or tell you to cash out. If a casino physically hurts you, awesome, you'll make a lot of money from a lawsuit.
Also generally you should expect much slower wins than a million a night, think of it as a couple hundred dollars an hour when you get a decent bankroll.

I know friend who has a friend of friend that plays the casino (on gta5) and he stumbled on a way to guarantee the slot pays out. Now his question is can this be considered a crime if he accidentally found this and uses it to get Say a million ( in gtabucks)? Should he just not do it?

>>50967095
what’s this guys deal

redpill me on blackjack

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>>50969681
Help lawyer jews they could release a patch any day now

>>50969686
Fuck you and your stillborn father. Manlet fuckwad. They should've cut the feeding tube to your birthing chamber.

>>50968998
>The question is, doesn't the casino know this and correct for it?
The best they can do, outside of fixing it, is rotate the people who work the tables constantly. Plus they make enough from the suckers just betting that no one can really break the bank and hurt the casino.

>>50969733
making a lot of assumptions here m8

>>50969781
>Assumptions

I know everything, dumbass.

>>50966499
Any advice for slots? Winning strategies etc

>>50969694
Blackjack and poker generally are the only games you can have an advantage over the casino without cheating. So if you want to actually make money at a casino, choose one.
Both games take a very large amount of practice to learn and a few thousand dollars, most people simply aren't willing to put in the hours.
With Blackjack you'll be treated as a cheater for doing math in your head and will have to travel from city to city as you get barred from casinos. If you enjoy travelling, I suppose that's a plus.

>>50969807
>doing math in your head
do you mean like how much i need for 21 or the likelihood that ill bust relative to the cards that have been dealt already

>>50969842
No I'm talking about counting cards you goof
>>50969800
Try and get all sevens

>>50969800
dont

>>50969793
big if true

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HELP you fuckin fags do I really need to go ask leddit

>>50969880
run up as much money as possible and move to a non extradition country like Laos

>>50969870
Do you want a tarot reading lanklet loser?

>>50969853
how do u count cards in BJ

>>50968858
It hasn't worked in 30 years. Dude was a master sleight of hand magician to begin with, and invented the trick. He took the casinos for millions, and then they paid him even more to come back and show them how he did it and prevent other people from doing it. Now they just laugh at amateur's failed attempts as they arrest them. It's not card counting where they just make you leave, you will be beaten and charged criminally for attempting this shit. He even tells you so in the video he sells teaching you how to do it, which he has also made millions off.

>>50969938
why don't you read the other posts in the thread

>>50969910
>you have to flee to China

Wtf

>>50966508
Based

https://youtu.be/ahF-HHS0ta0

I’ve been using betcrypt365, which accepts cryptos like BNB and 0xMR. They have live dealers and sports betting but not many slots.

>>50969483
I can't code that's the problem

>>50966499
i work in sports betting, as a graphic fag.
retards like you pay my salary every month.

go get em tiger - without insider info or some genius new card counting system.

>>50968942
It’s dick girth and volume, isn’t it

>>50966499
The thing about gambling is you have to figure out if you enjoy the excitement or you just want to make money.
Some people just like playing sports betting, poker or blackjack and that's fine but if you want money from betting the best thing is to be a middle man between games and the gamblers and take money that way in other words owning a betting shop or investing in one.
I knew someone who was thinking of becoming a professional gambler and who bet on sports throughout his teens and 20s with reasonable success.
However he realized the best way to make money from gambling is to take it off other gamblers so he decided to start up a betting shop in his town.
There are other ways to do this this including I suppose gambling websites or affiliate marketing online if you're interested in that sort of thing but the main point is to lower the odds by standing in the middle and taking a slice of the income moving between the gambler and his game.
It's the age old principle from the middle ages or renaissance when a businessman would build a new bridge over a river at a strategic point and charge people a fee to cross it thus earning income from merchants traveling with their goods and avoiding the greater risk of investing in risky sea voyages and long overland journeys.
That guy I mentioned earns steady income and he believes owning a betting shop or something like that is the only reliable way to make money from gambling

>>50969948
isnt card counting different in poker vs BJ

>>50966508
fpbp