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Oh shit forgot to title the thread

Wanted to ask /biz/ when they knew it was time to move on to another job or just stick it out a couple of months more to see if things get better

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>>51087466

thx anon

Wish there was a job discussion board

>>51087118
>really cozy, team is chill
Keep the job

>>51087118
Sorry 4 ur loss

>>51087118

Hello fellow civil fag, what kind of work do you do exactly and how much do you get paid? I did some consulting with my state's DOT during the peak of the "pandemic" which was WFH but holy shit was it boring and pointless im in design now which is comfy but it's literal CAD work 85% of day which becomes mundane

I'm in a similar boat. I have an A.S. in electronics and I haven't seriously used my degree in the two years since grad. First gig was a glorified assembly job, and my current one (after a little hopping around) is almost 100% physical as rhe circuits are microscopic. I can push wires around and see if my signal gets better but I don't have the slightest clue what's happening electronically. It feels like I've forgotten all of my education and now there's no way I could get a real technical job, as if they offer those to newbies anyways.

The perks are I'm almost 100% independent, flexible hours, nobody checks my time card for breaks, and once I take the weekend shift I'll only work 36 hours every week woth 4 days off. I plan to l2code with that time to hopefully get an even cozier, better paying WFH gig some day. I hope by this time next year

>>51087118
I’m not in engineering but I’ll try to give you some advice zoomer friend.

Are you super autistic? So autistic that you actually enjoy doing technical engineering work? If so looking for a new job (or asking to switch to this new opportunity as your main work and looking for a successor for your current work) is a good move.

Otherwise, natural career progression will at some point result in you taking over a management role where your actual “hands on” technical work is limited. Project management/middle management role will be the next logical step in your career progression. You put it as “babysitting” senior engineers, but if this is a role where you have people directly reporting to you and you’re taking on a PMO/project lead role it will be very easy for you to leverage this experience as you vie for a management job. “I was the project manager of a construction job involving xyz with # of people directly reporting to me. In the project we achieved abc over a timeline of Y years” will look good to any prospective employer. Do you see yourself as more of a “technical expert,” a veteran employee with a deep knowledge base that can be relied on to deliver results in a highly technical role? Or do you see yourself as someone that wants to climb the corporate ladder as you position yourself into leadership roles?
Decide what your career goals in 3-5 years are and make a decision based off of that.

>>51087118
>I graduated 1.5 years ago
A good timeframe to stay in a job would be 3 years. You will get more than a fair share of admin work in later career stages (its called "project management") so why not use the opportunity to get perfect skills on that. Work on your time management and communication skills so you do all the babysitting tasks exactly on time, in a proactive way and communicate in perfect polite style so everyone respects you . Nothing bad will come from this. You can always look over the engineering others do in the project, to keep up to date on the specifics of how they do it.

Civil/Structural engineer here. If you do the technical stuff life gets a lot harder and the pay us not as great. Develop basic competency in technical stuff but focus mord on your people skills and you can ascend the ladder faster and maybe branch into Project Management if you really like work.

>>51088193
that's pretty much the definition of men, someone that needs no one to survive, a men is able to carry himself and his family and society.. if you can't do that you are not a men, you are a boy...

A couple clear signals when you should job hop:
1.) Are you miserable? (If yes, leave)
2.) Have your promotions/pay raises stagnated? (Expect a promotion every 2-3 years) if yes, leave.
3.) Have you outgrown the company? If there aren't better opportunities for you internally then consider leaving, especially if you don't have equity in the company.

>>51088474
a man*, my esl friend

>>51087118
Overseeing projects IS "real" engineering work. Making sure the mouthbreathers on site don't do something retarded because they don't understand why things are the way they are (i.e. "dude it seemed better to me to do it this way so I changed up the process") is the role of an engineer. As an engineer, your job is to have enough technical background to effectively supervise the project. You say you've only been out of school for 1.5 years? The company is probably using these jobs as a way to teach you all the weird, esoteric tribal knowledge about your industry that the school didnt teach you. You can't go into design without knowing all of it.

>>51087118
sounds like you're doing project management. lie on your resume to make it really sound like project management and job hop to a senior project management role that requires even less work for 2x as much money.

I’ve stayed at the job I got after graduating for 10 years cause the boss was super nice and the company is pretty decent all around. I’m not sure if that was a mistake because I am a little afraid of ever leaving now.

>>51089176
i worked manual labor jobs for several years before getting my wagie career going. few things are sadder than hearing a low level wagie manager in a factory or a warehouse saying "i thought i wouldn't stick around for more than a few years and here i am, 30 years later." MANY, MANY, MANY such cases.

>>51087118
do the least amount of work for the most money possible bro and upskill at the same time

>>51088191

Big civil consulting firm. I get paid 75k AUD inclusive. Not fantastic but good for my country.

>>51088216

Ngl I actually enjoy technical work and dislike the project coordination/ management aspect of it even though I am good at it (socially competent introvert I guess). All my preferences follow from that. Even though my current project is on paper fantastic for my career IF I wanted to go the pm route but I just don't.

>>51088253
Good point but I worry it will be too late to develop technical competence later in life. Who's gonna give a junior technical role to a boomer PM.

>>51089198
Ok but I’m not a warehouse manager wagie I’m a corporate accountant

>>51088421

Do you ever feel like our field is kinda crappy overall.

I had a semi technical project some months ago and the deadlines were rough. Pulled a 19 hr day at one point. And as you know we don't get paid over the daily 8 hours.

Kinda wanna pivot to a data science role specific to the civil domain. No clue how though

>>51089284
who wouldnt? Just means they get to pay you less for more real world experience

>>51089305
yeah i am too. how much do you make? i'm at $95k with bonus fully remote with 4 YOE, no CPA.

>>51089332
I also make $95k with 10 years and a CPA. I know I’m underpaid but I wfh every day and don’t have to work very hard. Also get 6 weeks of vacation.

>working for the state DOT since 8 months after graduation
>5.5 years later, making 80 k$/a
>pension will vest after 10 years
>should have enough money to retire after 11 years
Feels good, man.

>>51089490
you should be making closer to $150k with that much experience and a CPA. not trying to say you fucked up, just that you have the potential to make considerably more with the skills and experience and qualifications that you already have. don't shortchange yourself.

>>51089314
(I'm the same anon, just posting from different IP now).
I don't know which one you are working, specifically. Are you doing civil or structural? I've done both.
Civil is a LOT more relaxed. You need some technical knowledge but from my experience it's mostly like a kind of project engineering. Structural, can be tough or easy, depending on what field you work in. If it's commercial/residential engineering, it's fucked up with a tight deadlines. I work in mining design currently and it's very relaxed in comparison.
To answer your question, I don't think our field is crappy. And it sucks that you (I'm talking about you specifically) don't get paid for overtime. My workplace pays us overtime, in fact my boss insists that if we do any overtime we should put it on our timesheet. Maybe you should find a different workplace? I generally work 40 hours per week, and when I feel like it (or if the project requires) I can do 45hrs. Only for one project have I had to do 50hrs per week.

>>51089580
Maybe I could but I am autistic and not super bright so I’m glad to be secure where I am.

>>51087118
>too lazy to grund and make some career wins for yourself
Are all zoomers just looking for handouts and gibs? Do they not know they need to be proactive, grind, and prove themselves?

>>51087118
>>Stick me in shitty construction projects in the mean time
>>Basically glorified admin work and babysitting engineers way senior to me

OP that is real engineering work

>>51087118
>Wanted to ask /biz/ when they knew it was time to move on to another job
When you stop learning

>>51087118
I am sorry to be that guy anon ... I rarely post .. but fuck you sound like a faggots.

You have only worked there for 1.5 years... You like your job and the people... They gave you admin experience.... You keep whining about not getting a realm project and when they do they turn you down. Only poor people and losers focus on hours. Stop. Being a massive fag. Focus on long term. Who gives a fuck if you need to pump out a few extra 20 hours to move up the ladder. Don't you get it? You failed the shit test. And they know it. You're already looking for another job. They tested you and you failed. Nice waste of 1.5 years.

Fucking noodle armed Zoomers expecting instant gratification. What the fuck man.