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>>51479471
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>>51479471
what's so special about the cats?

>>51479471
Did you sign anything when you gave them to her? Is she part of a rescue organization?

>>51479669
They are my babies. I rescued them and bottle fed them. I love them

>>51479702
Neither of us signed anything but I have screenshots of me saying I want temporary help and have them returned to me, and of her offeringt to help in response to a very specific request that includes they be returned to me.
She has a rescue organization but it's just her, a 1-person 'organization'
And when I posted asking for help, I posted publicly on facebook (shit site, I know, but it's useful sometimes) and she replied offering to help. I didn't go to her rescue organization or anything like that so as far as I am concerned, this is between me and her, not her org.

>>51479703
based

remember that cats are property, so technically she is committing theft, so it wouldn't be out of line to call the cops after contacting her in writing via certified mail

i hope this legal battle bankrupts you

OP is just another chump distracted by pussy.

>>51479833
I have considered stopping by the sheriff department and talking to them about it (I trust sheriffs more than police). Would I be best off talking to the sheriff in her county or my county?
And would doing the certified mail first be necessary given that I have screenshots of our online communications?
Thanks

>>51479720
you are a fucking idiot for trusting strangers with your property let alone a fucking roast. she probably plans on stealing them to breed, and sell to people. her "applications" are future sales as she forces your cats to continually fuck each-other into an inbred pool of shit and piss. GOOD JOB!

>>51479913
She is not a breeder, she rescues cats and spays/neuters them, and the adoption fee she charges is much less than the cost of food/vet care/etc she spends on them.
But yes, obviously I was an idiot to trust her. Obviously I fucked up. Now I just need to figure out how to undo the fuck up, make things right, get my kittens back

>>51479849
you stupid fuck. There is only 1 "sheriff" in a county. and there is no oversight for county sheriff department, they do whatever the fuk they wanna do, they are a lot more powerful and dangerous than some stupid city police chief with a board overlooking them

>>51479950
I know there is one sheriff per county, I did not imply otherwise. They do have deputies however.
If they are more dangerous than police then good, because I will be asking them for help. I won't be doing anything to make them come after me.

>>51479471
Just tell her to give them back you sperg. Tell her she promised and if she doesn't you will sue her.

>>51480036
Yes but I want to talk to a lawyer first so that if she refuses I will be ready

Have a lawyer draft a letter explaining that she's potentially looking at criminal referral for theft of property, which is a felony.

>>51480052
Thank you. How can I go about finding the most affordable way of doing this? I assume a lawyer will charge a lot even for a simple letter.

>>51479703
You are a real man. Get those kitties back and smite that bitch

>>51480066
$2-300 for an hour of a strip mall lawyer's time, usually.
Imply that there is more where that came from to get the letter. Doubt you'll need to persist though.

>>51480068
Thank you anon, I will definitely get them back!

>>51480066
It’s like a 100-200 dollars an hour for consultation and writing it up. If you find a good guy he won’t try to screw you on this. They might even do it for free, so that if it does go to court they will be sure to have your business. Depends on if it’s valuable enough to be worth their time though.

I want updates on this saga too in the coming days

>>51480086
>Imply that there is more where that came from to get the letter. Doubt you'll need to persist though.
Not quite sure what you mean by this. You mean imply to the lawyer that I may need more services from them, and that will get them to write the letter for me? Would they still charge for the letter even if they know I'll hire them for more if the letter doesn't work? (guessing yes)
I am hoping I can just talk to a lawyer, get a free consultation, then tell her I have a lawyer ready, and only if she still refuses then pay the lawyer to write a letter. Does that sound reasonable?

>>51480091
Any idea how best to go about finding a lawyer who would write a free letter? I have never dealt with lawyers or courts in my life (aside from going to court 1 time to get a minor traffic ticket off my record)

>>51480066
You're a grown ass man. You can google. Yes, it will probably cost hundreds of dollars.

Anon you can't afford these cats. Broke ass

>>51480155
Yes I can

>>51479941
You might want to stipulate that if she spays/neuters your cats before she gives them back that you will sue for damages. I wouldn't put it past the bitch to do something like that just to spite you. You really fucked up trusting an advanced cat lady with your cats, those are truly among the worst roasties.

>>51479720
Verbal agreements are still contracts in many places. Just talk to a lawyer. She'll probably drown them in bathwater anyway though.

>>51480108
>Lawyer
>Work for free
Just open your wallet anon. A few hundred for the letter hassle and $800ish for a small claims lawsuit if she doesn't relent.

>>51480281
>>51480306
The one good thing is that I do believe she genuinely cares about these kittens, and about cats in general. She does a lot of cat rescue and from all I've talked to her about, she does care a lot about the cats in her care. But that doesn't change the fact that her conduct towards me, her violation of my trust and our agreement, and what is essentially kidnapping of my kittens is absolutely unacceptable. So while I do feel they are fairly safe while with her, I will do what it takes to get them back.

Any suggestions on how to go about finding a good lawyer who will give a free consultation and write a letter either freely or cheaply, given that I would hire them if we need to escalate further?
>>51480334
Other anon said some will write a letter for free. I will pay if that is my only option, but I want to avoid it if at all possible because I am poor and that's a lot of money to me.
>inb4 how can you afford to take care of kittens then
If any big vet bills come up my parents have offered to help.

>>51479471
Do you own a gun?
How the fuck is this /biz/ related?

>>51479471
Do not fill out the adoption paperwork, she will use that to override your original agreement
You have a verbal contract, get a lawyer to enforce it

>>51480450
I tnink you may be right about this. I figured that going through her dumb game and filling it out might result in her agreeing to give them back, but I am concered that that could be used against me if she declines to give them back voluntarily. Perhaps it is best that I refuse to fill out and sign the form, but offer to answer some of the questions it asks (not by filling out the form but just by telling her) (i.e. yes I'll get them the vet care they need, yes I'll keep them in a safe living environment etc)

>>51479703
Why did you give them to that mean woman then

>>51480491
Nope
You’re effectively modifying the verbal contract you have now
Do not say anything to her aside from you wanting your kittens back, and if you don’t get the back you’ll take her to small claims court

>>51479720
Well texts were admissible for the johnny depp case & he won so go for it

>>51480499
I thought she was nice at the time
>>51480500
Okay, thank you
>>51480508
I didn't follow that case at all but that's good to know, thanks

https://www.azcourts.gov/selfservicecenter/Small-Claims

Find your state equivalent
Since it’s small claims, if you do go to court you’ll more than likely be representing yourself
You have the texts backing you up, you should be fine
Keep in mind this is simplified for welfare queens and methheads

>>51479471
Weaned? What does that even mean? You feed them a bottle until they eat food

What is it with zoom zooms and thinking they have to consult experts about everything. Cats have been around for thousands of years do you think people all over the world and all thought history are hiring cat experts to wean their kittens?

>>51480592
Thank you
>>51480617
Weaned means done nursing and onto solid food. It is more difficult with these ones because they are orphans. I could have done it myself but thought it would be best if someone with more experience than me takes care of them until they are weaned. I just wanted what is best for them.

>>51480592
>Filers of Small Claims actions do not have the right to appeal or the right to a jury trial.
Does that mean if the judge sided with her there is nothing I could do, or could I still hire a lawyer and take another route besides small claims? Obviously I am in the right, but some judges are corrupt/biased/etc.

>>51480646
Depends on the state

>>51480650
How can I find out the specifics for my state?

>>51479703
>muh furbabies

>>51480617
OP is brainlet and now his emotional ass wants to lawyer up. Small claims like this in court means you lose lawyer representation. If you bump it to limited civil you do get lawyer representation but I highly implore OP to read up what this process entails and if it is really worth his pride. This aint about the kittens child, this is about a roastie putting you in your place and now you want to chimp out "the adult way" kek i just gave you free legal and psychology tips pay the fuck up zoomie

>>51480653
Google it
“Small claims court gay fag state”

>>51480653
What state is it

>>51480676
MN

>>51480670
So it is up to me whether I want to do small claims or limited civil, either way they'll take the case?

>>51480662
>t. Malay Monkey Torturer

>>51480690
Yes it is up to (you), if (you) the plaintiff and the defendant(her) live in the same state. But if she doesnt its automatically limited civil(depends on state)

>>51480731
Same state, different county.
If this goes to court will it be in her county or mine?
And if I talk to a sheriff to see if they will help should it be sheriff of my county or hers?

This is your ego talking. I bet you believe you’re the greatest thing to walk the earth. You think this is logical but it’s just your shallow ego. Fill out the adoption papers you fucking narcissistic little bitch boy.
this woman put effort into something you didn’t even pay her for. Fuck you and fuck the cats

>>51480740
After re-reading this:
>OP is a poorfag retard who can't even raise his kittens properly (they literally raise themselves, they're cats)
>OP is either trolling or sincerely believes if he asks enough questions he can get free legal advice on... 4chan.
>OP won't listen anyway because any good advice he receives will either cost money or effort (poorfags are always lazy)
>OP should just rope. Imagine letting a roastie take your cats.

>>51480757
>agree to watch a friend's house and cat while they're on holiday
>I am now entitled to both the house and the cat since I put effort into something and they didn't even pay me for it.

OP you need to grow some balls and take this to small claims court. If your nervous plenty of lawyers offer free consultations.

This is why she’s trying to fuck you over, because you have no balls
>>51480757
>t. Femoid cat thief

>>51479471

>>51480740
OP youre so bizarre. You dont even have a police report. So what are you going to bring to court, matter of fact how are they going to entertain your nonexistent case? You need an adult and a lawyer asap. You have to talk to whatever sheriff and file a complaint of theft and he'll make the paperwork for the he said she said bs.

>>51480810
Thank you for all the advice you have given. What is the best way to find a good lawyer who will give a free consultation? I have tried web searches and lawyer websites, they haven't been too helpful, and I am thinking of contacting the courthouse but idk if they would put me in touch with a lawyer, I don't think courthouses do that.
>>51480823
So I should file a report with the sheriff before talking to a lawyer, or at least before having a lawyer file a case?
Should I talk to sheriff in her county or mine?

>>51480508
>Texts are admissable
Depends entirely on the case and state law

>>51480823
OP is a woman and needs to post tits or gtfo

>>51480338
I have no fucking idea about law but the fact that she asks for paperwork tells me that she needs documentation of the process.
Which could mean that she deducts the money she spends on them as charity. Maybe she's not charging what vets charge but she could easily report it so and no one would bat an eye.
You might have a crazy cat lady who rescues cats to defraud the IRS lmao

Thank you all for advice, I need to sleep, I will check this thread again when I get up so if you have any further advice please post.

>In a world...
>one man...
>some orphan kittens...
>and one vile wretch...
>How far will one man go
>To reclaim his cats...
>This fall...
The Indian Giver's Litter

>>51481229
im hooked

>>51479845
it was me

You think this is logical but it’s just your shallow ego. Fill out the adoption papers you fucking narcissistic little bitch boy.
this woman put effort into something you didn’t even pay her for. Fuck you and fuck the cats

2nded

you gave the cats away dipshit

this thread is shit

everytime my pussy cat has babies i let them grow until they are athleyic enough to hunt and fight and then leave them in the forest 10 km away

>>51479471
Did you give or any money for her services?

>>51481852
No but I intended to upon picking them up

Stop being a fucking pussy and tell the bitch if she damages or does not return your property you will sue for damages. She will get scared and return your shit.

Option 1) hire a lawyer, which will cost money
Option 2) join all the local Facebook cat roastie and fag love pages and spam your story there putting social pressure on her. (Make sure to clean up your online presence first there, no republican/right wing posts/pics
Option 3) just show up to her house and take them back with force, hire some local niggers if you are a pussy

nice business related topic

>>51479471
Could you please post a picture of the kitties

>>51484284
I'm sorry but no because I don't want to risk her finding out I am pursuing legal action. If you really want, you can post a throwaway email and I will email you a picture AFTER I have them safely back with me

A lot of toxic mother fuckers on this website