/biz/ - Business & Finance

kys fucking race traitor

>>53017954
You're a faggot if you don't want to plant your seed.

I have heard of men doing it to trap a woman which makes no sense to me, and seems desperate as fuck and really stupid because its just gonna lockdown a shit relationship.

>>53017954
idk ive never wanted kids.

the virgins on 4chin dont understand not wanting to reverse baby trap a roastie and becoming a meme though. really strange.

>>53017954
i have donated my sperm to about 4 sperm banks around the world. i will have/already have kids all over the earth which require someone else to do the cuckery of raising them.

you are spot on, OP.

>>53017954
I'd like kids but I really don't want a wife.

>>53017968
prime example: >>53017962

someone that's never been laid telling you to have kids.

>>53017962

How can you use an NPC meme when most of society hold your opinion and want kids “just because its like our goal in life bro”

I know lots of guys who think they just cum in some fat whale and then only have fun doing some cringe “le saturday morning cartoons with the kids! Show my SNES games!” And ignore all the hard work and bad shit and basically dead relationship with the mother

It’s a fundamental biological impulse. Reproducing and passing on your genes. It’s probably also fun getting to live vicariously through your child once again.

I personally probably won’t have kids because my mom was abusive and I fear I’d perpetuate the cycle. But I can see why normal well adjusted people want to.

>>53017978

Im opposite, can deal with a relationship just about but definitely not kids.

I have nieces and i like them most the time but really appreciate not having kids full time.

Also, lets face it and reason i made thread, they are the biggest financial cockblock around. You will basically be guaranteed to make it if you dont have kids.

>>53017954
If you don't want them don't take them.

Explaining why it's great to have kids is explaining to someone why it's great to have a soulmate. You can't grasp it if you never experience it.

>>53017985

Yeah sex is fun and lucky for us contraception exists.
To me its like saying eating junk food constantly is tasty so lets just do it because biologically we are hardwired to enjoy and do it. Irrational yet the same rhetoric is constantly used for having kids when condoms exist.

>>53017980
>when most of society hold your opinion and want kids “just because its like our goal in life bro”
Last time i checked no NPC said this, all of them take pride in eating what their fathers built without leaving nothing in the end, no future for them.

>>53017998

Then how about stepping off the internet? Not true. Most men and women want kids.

>>53017954
I want to impregnate a woman and make her bear my children, but I don't want to deal with all the bullshit raising them.
Thinking of just knocking up some young slut and then paying her to take care of the kid idk.

>>53017968
>>53017979
Hello Rabbi
I heared the weather in Israel is chill in winter?

>>53017996
if you just justify everything you do with "dude, pleasure, bro" then some people taking pleasure from having kids and build a legacy is justified as well.

>>53017998
>because its like our goal in life
>Last time i checked no NPC said this

are you joking? literally all of them say this.

>>53017996
Don’t worry too much about living life one way or another. I will say though - accepting biology and keeping your impulses satisfied is generally speaking a more rewarding life. There’s plenty that is irrational about it sure. Either way, if you don’t want kids, don’t feel compelled to. Bringing a kid into the modern world is honestly sorta evil anyways.

>>53017996
>sex
>condoms
You cant have both

>>53018008
hello virgin. do you have magical pow

>>53018006
How about you stop larping retard, every single person i met despises kids and doesn't want anything else that is not drinking, eating, and fucking.

Pic related is the personification of society.

>>53018017
Uh so edgy
Did you suck a baby dick?

>>53017954
>LTRs
Less of the chufin poofin gay talk mate.

>>53018012
Literally no one want it, prove what you daid.

>>53017954
>I’ve never wanted kids. Financial burden, emotional and hardwork. No privacy. Ruin relationships. Goodbye sex to wife. Hello resentment. Work more to support, or dont and have a hell life.
THIS is what (((hollywood))) has sold you.

This christmas, the family next to my on a mulitiple acre property, hosted the most awesome christmas party ypu can imagine. They have 5 kids, and the other family mebers came with their kids. Had a giant inflatable waterslide bouncy castle setup. Played a bunch or sports together, you could hear everyone racting like a crowd at a game. Had nice tunes playing.
Honestly sounded like a dream christmas.

And the kids you raise go on to be your legacy and the good they do in the world is also your doing.

>>53018019
>edgy
its just the truth but you find it edgy because it cuts deep because you're a kissless handholdless virgin

>>53018030
>THIS is what (((hollywood))) has sold you.
(((hollywood))) quite literally brainwash you into having kids and creating replacement slaves.

watch a movie some time my friend

>>53018011

Not quite what i was trying to convey.
The rhetoric people use is that “its natural” and “we are biological hardwired to have kids!!l and its “why sex feels good”.

Ok, cool. However contraception exists and we are intelligent animals not at mercy of such things. We can actually just do the pleasurable part if we want. So the whole “its our biological destiny” part makes no sense. Hell if sex wasn’t pleasurable would we as intelligent species have kids? Doubt it. The kids part isnt all that great is it? For women i get it with nurturing instinct but not men.

I’d much rather fuck and chuck and not be around but in reality i’d never do that, world has enough single mothers. Just struggle to understand the desire for most men, unless they dont think of the downsides at all, or its some desperate means to trap a fat roastie

>>53018031
>>53018039
You are so obviously jewish it hurts

>>53018031
If you will never breed you'te not better than a virgin, i could go out with countless hookers and fuck all the time but still that's it.

>>53018047
and you're still a virgin.

>>53018050
No but even if why would that discredit my opinion?
While you beeing jewish does discret your opinion

>>53018048
enjoy becoming a meme that supports a used up roastie and pays for her and her kids.

you gave up and played the long game. its not admirable. its facing the fact that you didnt even give life a try. you sat around on a mongolian basketweaving forum talking shit

>>53018060
*discredit
For some my opinions is discredited tho because im esl

>>53018060
>why would that discredit my opinion?
because you haven't even experienced a huge part of life yet.

how can anyone take you seriously?

>>53018028

You just never date at all otherwise you’d see it yourself. As said i has to end 2 years long relationships over it, and finding women who dont want mids is much rarer. Most guys i know either want them a lot or dont care and do what the women wants.

When i meet broads who dont want kids they say its hard to find a guy who truly doesn’t too, and most just say wahtever to get laid

>>53018041
All you wrote it's pseudo-intellectualism only a faggot from reddit can come up with.

For sure if it wasn't pleasurable you wouldn't have kids, still that's the best way evolution found to make you reproduce and not to make you a personal favor.

>>53018066
But keep coming i like tho see what the jewish talking points/demoralization points/anti child points are.

>>53018066
Attacking me personally doesn't justify your case of getting filtered by life.

>>53018030

>being expensive had hard work is a LIE
>posts about a family with a huge home and land hosting a massive expensive gathering that took months if hard work and organisation and years if coordination with the wider family and likely many arguments along the way

>>53018075
Then we live in 2 different countries, because no one here wants kids, i don't care about your personal experience.

>>53018077

So why dont you eat junk food all day then? Maybe you do. Cant pick and choose where you apply this rhetoric you faggot

>>53017954
To leave a legacy
To have some interest in life other than money and pussy
To see your seed conquer the world

>>53018074
As i said im not, idc if you believe me whatever
So its so funny and vicious that you and your tribesman want to create the narrative that the opinion of a man is only worth something if he gets approced by woman (or looks good). If anything a opinion by a virgin is more interesting and better since thats a opinion of a man that doesnt get approved by modern woman

I want there to be more people like me and less like others. Love yourself anon.

>>53017954
Fuck them kids

>>53018090
>having kids is bad because extracting as much pleasure as i can by tricking my own brain into thinking i'm doing the right thing is good
>no yours is rethoric and
Normalfags shouldn't vote.

>>53018092

If i was running a family sweatshop/farm and needed free labour to continue then yeah i get it and that’s basically how most humans were born.
Im bit though. You dont know anything about your great-great grandfather most likely as most dont. What legacy?
A fucking nerd being a meme for being ugly online and going viral has more legacy than most every will just for having kids.
The legacy thing is so common for men as a reason but women almost never give a shit about that

You don't even know what rethoric means.

>>53017954
>plebbit spacing
case closed

>>53018092
>To leave a legacy
you're an ugly nerd that hasn't accomplished anything. how are you going to leave a "legacy" by having kids? you're just a loser subjecting them to a clown world because "muh legacy"

>>53018110

If you could only eat junk-food and hyper palatable stuff and never get fat, and be peak health would you? Tht is sex with contraception.

You keep ignoring it. You faggots cannot hold the same rhetoric on both these as it exposes how dumb the argument is. Come up with another reason for having kids than “biology” or shut the fuck up. There are plenty i have heard which are better like “legacy” or “cheap labour for family business”

>>53018118
>you're a fucking nerd
>you're a fucking virgin
You're a genetic dead end ready to be forgotten by everyone in this world and you think you can be better than us?

Betterment is another evolutionary thing, you don't deserve any and get any of it.

>>53018124

Nah im phone posting.
>>53018132

You don't need betterment because you decided betterment is for loser.

Go eat another goyburger.

>why men
teaching my sons to be men is the most pleasurable and fulfilling stuff I do day-to-day

Why do people on this website try to pressure people into having kids so much? If someone doesn't want kids they're going to be a shitty parent

>>53018163
lol nice try virgin

>>53018163
>why people support other people they're not supposed to do that
Damn it's almost like humans are social animals.

>>53018171
so funny how these threads always expose the virgin chuds that are saving themselves for a roastie to reverse baby trap.

what a sad existence.

They are afraid of dying alone and need an old age insurance fund. They also feel the need to pass on their great "legacy", which is really pretty much worthless in 99.9% of cases. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask if it was really necessary for you dad to nut so that you could watch Andrew Tate and post on 4chan all day.

>>53018163

Because they are unremarkable people with shit genes and no real legacy at all. All they can do is help shit out a few kids and say “there is my legacy, my work is done”.

If these fags were good looking and had actually built a legacy already even without kids it’d make some sense.

>>53018175

I cant think of anything more pathetic and beta than reverse baby trapping. However it is pretty common in men. Crazy

Demoralization thread ironically full of children

>>53017954
Most get conned by women by the promise of perpetual blowjobs, unlikited anal and fisting

Men are retards

>>53018175
>chud chad roastie reverse baby trap tradwife epic hoola baloo

I turned 40 this year and really wish I had kids...

>>53018193

Bro im not telling anyone not to have kids. Im just asking specifically for men what the reason they want them is? Women is clear already.

Sex? Access to sex? You dont need to have kids to have sex, but seems to some it does with the reverse baby trapping shit. Ironically they wont be getting much sex when they have kids anyway

>>53018208

Go hang out with some young children, volunteer or something. It’ll cure you. Do you have young nieces or nephews?

>>53018184
>>53018185
>You're a virgin
>I WON'T BREED

Watching my 3 kids rip open Christmas presents yesterday was more enjoyable then all the whores I’ve fucked combined

>>53017978
i want this too. I feel like so many men are in a nasty relationship with an insufferable bitch, possibly having gone through divorce, and yet they still love their kids more than anything ever. I would love the chance to raise another human being without a sagging and nagging wife in the picture. i still think kids grow up maladjusted without a male and female parent present, though, so not sure how that would work.

>>53018214
>all i have in my eat is sex
>therefore the only reason why people want kids is sex

>>53018224
you're a meme that impregnated a roastie and you havent fucked any "whores".

>>53018039
Kek
Families were a thing before hollywood.
Im talking aabout sitcoms or any non family movie. Its all anti family, everyone is divored, kids are horrible, just focus on some meaningless headonist life

>put dick in vagina 3000 times but can't have kids

>>53018258
>put dick in vagina never but cant have kids

>>53018137
>Come up with another reason for having kids that is not biology, because biology is not the reason why i feel pleasure in doing stuff
Room temperature IQ.

>>53018226
> I feel like so many men are in a nasty relationship with an insufferable bitch
In these current times, it's hard to even get to the marrying point before they turn full bitch and start sabotaging your life. Finding a good woman is difficult, keeping them is even harder. And marraige and kids mean nothing if she can walk away anytime, for any reason.

None of my family members had happy marraiges, not even my parents. And there's in them too. Fuck this, I'll play with women, but I'm not keeping em. And I won't bring kids into this hard mode world if I don't make it first.

>>53018216
Yes I do, but it's not as if I had my own kid
But to be honest with you I've been single for years now and ghosted all my friends over the years for various reasons
I'm pretty sure if I had a gf/wife I would care less

And yes I have nephews and they're great. I actually just came back from a family christmas dinner, my sister and brother both have kids. Now that it's over I am back home alone in my appartment, chatting with you guys. Every single time I go to family gathering I am slightly depressed when I get home
I really need to fix my shit and work on getting a partner, and at worst I guess I'll get a dog and raise it as best as I can, try to give it th best life a dog could get

>>53018284
Don't worry, by the end of this century sex driven individuals will die off if this is the premise.

>>53018309
everyone dies buddy. even your kids

>>53018316
Die then, what are you waiting for? Enslaving yourself to satisfy your reward system? Everything you've been built for is useless besides building wealth for someone else like paying your local junk food industry who cares about its own legacy.

Only ants do that, but at least ants have families and their sterile body has a reason to be there.

>>53017956
Terrible post quality.
You need to stop posting and come up with something better.

>>53018030
>And the kids you raise go on to be your legacy and the good they do in the world is also your doing.
Most people are assholes.

>>53018039
The only thing jewlywood pushes now is breeding half niggers, and the value of importing third worlders. Gas yourself.

>>53017954
Because it’s a biological imperative, therefore people just want to most of the time because it feels good to and most cultures also valued having families.

You’re smart though anon and wise enough to see it’s not for you. It’s obviously a huge responsibility and hard work. A lot of ppl ruin their life with children. Lotta unhappy families out there.

>>53017954
Imagine being this much of a genetic failure kek

>>53017954
I wanted kids so I can pass down my memes to them. Too bad this economy will literally starve us to death and I’m already hearing talks of impending layoffs from my boss. Guess I’ll die alone then.

>>53017954
You may not want kids, but don't you have the instinct to impregnate women?

>>53017954
You guys are going nowhere in life and it really shows

Because my genetics were passed down for billions of years and it's inconceivably arrogant to think me, a frogposting anon on a Brazilian motorcycle forum, know better than my cumulative infinite ancestors.

>>53018626
mate the OP is right, who tf wants to live in a rat cage for the rest of their lives feeding the system yet another hapless soul to consume, dreary eyed as you whop on da tv to drown out the silence of mediocrity. Suburbia and the Family Life ™ is terrifying but millions eat it up because it offers them the stable prescription of normality necessary for them not to have a total mental breakdown but it’s all bullshit narratives sewn together to keep you climbing the endless ladder of success and trapped in the rat race, grow a pair and actually define your own way of life, fuck the norm, it touched me in my butthole once.

>>53017968
whatever, your id is cisweek so i can't take your seriously

>>53018290
Nah he real

>>53017954

Because, I want to raise somebody(s) to have a better life than myself. My life is better than my parents, and my parents life was better than my grandparents.

The experience of life with both the exciting/ joyful and the sad/angry moments is worth living, even if there are times of hardship.

Ask yourself one question, and actually be honest with yourself. Would you rather be alive right now, or would you rather have been aborted? If it's the latter, why haven't you killed yourself yet?

The truth is, there is still a fire within you that wants to keep you alive. Whether that be curiosity, love, fun, etc. Something in you wants to stay alive. I know it's true, because you ate on here right now, asking this question. Clearly you find enjoyment in 4chan. It's fun, the posters are funny, and it's an enjoyable experience overall. If we truly hated it, we wouldn't be here.

Having children is the extension of that experience into the future, in the hopes you can give them an even better life and better experiences than yourself.

Do you get what I'm saying OP?

Merry Christmas btw!

>>53018084
You missed the point.
Its not all hard work, its fun. Its a rewarding investment on your time. Its memories you will value. At least your working hard for something worthwhile.

And hiring something cool for a few hundred bucks, geting out the cricket/footy/soccor stuff from garauge, fire up the bbq, setup a speaker, and making a few phone calls saying come have christmas at ours, isnt hard.

Maybe you do have less sex, its only the focus on pure headonism that has you blinded by the other rewards in life. All these empty sterile relationship that die because soon as the sex gets boring they have nothing.

>>53018881

This is the glorification sold to the masses when in reality it is this>>53018782

You hand picked some social media women tier advert of family life and an expensive one at that. Most the world and most Americans will never have that kid of space and money for your pretty little picture.

I think this is part of why men want kids? Just completely fairy tale ignorance on reality of it.

>>53017954
faggots like you are built to get extinct
>t. father of 2, going for the third

>>53018924

Why does the existence of people who dont want kids insult you so much?
Nowhere did i say you shouldn’t have them if you want them.
Are you that mediocre that kids is the only real achievement of your life? Thats the case for most and would be for myself if i had them. So why does it matter for your line to “go extinct” when its mediocre anyway?

I agree OP especially if you're a lazy piece of shit. I can't even help myself let alone raise my kids in a good manner. They'll probably end up drug addicts

>>53018956

Tbh opposite for me. I take care of myself and get my chores done, would want to increase the load even more, fuck that.

I can inagine these autists living with mommy and daddy think it’ll be an extension of that where their new fat roasty they reverse trap with be their new mommy, and plenty of guys want a mom and think having kids is just all the fun parts while they are basically a big kid to their washed up roasty too

>>53018782
>>53018908
I expect better from /biz/
Who the fuck here is planning to be ordinary wagie?
Im not worried about the cost of kids because my business and investments will pay for them.
But even without wealth (i grew up without it) there was so much fun to be had in sinple boardgames, card games, camping, fishing, building tree houses. None of that cost much.

Im not going to raise my kids in front of the tv to become souless npcs. They will be leaders and inovators and light years ahead of their peers.

I dont care about meeting some picture. I want to teach my boys to fight and fish and fix cars and ride motorbikes, and daughters too.
I want to raise a close family that has each others back.

>>53018972

Whatever you want, fine. Sounds like its an ego trip for you to have kids. Basically the make equivalent of women wanting their kids to be social status providers and a method to climb via them.

I’m not against what you want. Good for you, but i think tis a bit ignorant. Thats not realistic for most people and its still the bullshit people guide the decision to have kids on in many mens cases if it isnt just a method to reverse trap some ugly roastie for sex, and the failure to reach it leads to a lot of resentment and regret. Do you think anyone willingly wants >>53018782 ??? No they end up there after being jaded from trying your pretty picture.

I just don’t understand men’s motivation for kids modern day. In the times of old it was your retirement, free labour etc. makes sense then.

>>53018030
Femoid detected

>>53018998
there are a lot of people with shitty people because the culture pushed by hollywood. All those single mums fucked pieces of shit players. They were never farther material.

People are caught up being shallow and materiialistic and headonistic. So the THINK family would be a burden and a waste of life. But like everything else in this clown world, it is an inversion.

Why would kids boost ego? They would boost pride. You pass on your knowledge and values and see them to become the best they can be.

You can raise kids however you see fit. What you call "fairytale", i call reality.

>>53019006
Hi wife.

>>53017954
You just have 0 empathy towards kids and so just see them as a burden. You think like a sociopath/autist so it's normal that you can't understand the point in an emotional level

>>53017954
>Why would men want kids though?
Men with kids don't post threads on /biz/ like "what is the meaning of life?" "life is suffering." Humans are a K selected species and you're biologically programmed to get fulfillment from children. If you aren't your genes will die off.

>>53019006
Yeah that post sounds like it was written by a hole, but the point still stands. Kids are a form of investment, and if you raise them real right it’ll be worthwhile.
I know a guy whose dad was a blue-collar carpenter who had to use his shitty house as a toolshed. Now the house is a family retreat frequented by his kids, all of em successful at their own line of work. And they all look out for each other. They have that us-vs-them clan mindset going on between them.

>>53019135

I can see why you’d think that way from my posts. In all honesty i know i dont want kids so Thats exactly why i wouldn’t dare have them. Imagine how shitty it’d be to have kids just being meh about it let alone not wanting them. It’d be terrible for the children.
I know how much hard work goes into it, and broken relationships and ruined dynamics with mother and father, and simply dont wish to go through it let alone raise kids through it.
I have no need to do it. So why the fuck would I?

Im not ignorant enough to assume my experience would be an exception to the norm either.

>>53018030
>you could hear everyone racting like a crowd at a game
WOAH it's just like at a game!

>>53017954

Married for one year. Daughter os 8 months

Almost no sex, wife is much more boring and just think about the kid. Pressure to earn more skyhigh in my mind creating stress. No more comfy weekends, its all day taking care of the crying shit so momy can rest. Travels? Forget it. Restaurants are a pain to go, kid wants to be in your lap crying. My life got MUCH worse after the kid. Theres zero pros. Watchter her open presents. Wasnt that great as i expected. Mayber i have too much testosterone and othee dads here are too emotional or dont like sex and meet new woman or arent obssessed with money.

I want my life back.

>>53018224
Only quality post in this forsaken thread, Godspeed anon

>>53019219

First 2 years are awful. Seen it up close plenty. Idk what makes people want to go through that alone. Especially for guys who dont just disappear and work 24/7 to avoid it(and if they do relationship still turns bad).
When they get older its bad in different ways so i hear. The absolute chaos of age 0-2 turns into something else.
Then when they leave the nest mom and dad realise thru dont like each other, relationship does long ago for the kids and they split or stay together in bitterness.

Sorry its happening to you anon. This is why i tell women up front. Its tough and many fuck off immediately but better than alternative

>>53019219
> I want my life back.

locked in now, hardly heard them shut the prison door on you, aye ? It’s that way by design.

To any other anons reading this, the one essential resource this system needs is fresh blood, think carefully about if the system has fulfilled it’s end of the bargain before you go headlong into fulfilling your end of the bargain, i wouldn't want to force another soul to live in this world.

>>53017954
Men typically want sons, not necessarily kids.

>>53017954
Read or listen to John Taylor Gatto. I think we all secretly want kids it’s just instinctually. I’m literally and autist and when I was an adolescent I wanted nothing more than to isolate myself in the woods and live off grid doing literally fuck all other than homesteading and reading but now I’m an adult and the idea of having a wife+kids sounds appealing to me in a way I can’t quite explain. I still want to do the small holding stuff but just maybe not by myself (making steps towards this, I have chickens and grow veg and berries now; I live in a rural area so I can forage brambles to make jam).

Gatto claims were supposed to live in communities where the old, middle aged, and young aren’t separated but interact with each other regularly forming a mutually supporting community but the division of labour institutions such as schools and retirement homes prevent this. I imagine that most of the issues you describe would disappear in the community he describes.

>>53017954
test

Duty.

>>53019260

Yeah, kids are not that great. Fear of loneliness is what make people have kids and get married that's the only thing that makes me keep going.
I know deep in my heart i'll not love or like my wife after the kids start becoming more independent.

>>53019305
Society hate white straight males. There's nothing here for me. Even the company i work have a new generation (zoomers) that clearly wants to get rid of white males, they are incredibly brainwashed and gay males are very uppity, they are not "democratic", they want power and they dont care at all about white straight males.

>>53019219
hold on anon, it gets better
little infants are a chore but from 3yo+ they get really interesting and fun

>>53019358

We want sons and we do not want to help around the house or clean shit kids.

The fact we have to provide, help around the house, clean shit of kids and still worry about the mental status of the wife is not natural at all. And STILL women complain and divorce all the time.

>>53017954
fear of death and the hope they can live again through their kids
social status
economic reasons like tax benefits and gibs
selfishness

>>53019424

Thank you fren.

Our humanity drives us to want kids. The economic calculus of capitalism drives us to not want kids because they cost money. You can't just build a wood hut on your lord's estate and sow grains any more, you have to buy everything with wages, and kids therefore cost money, so having kids gets you that much closer to homelessness and destitution.

>>53019429

Back when women were forced to shut up and make dinner, provide sex and get help and support from the local mothers groups and family units while keeping the home flawless maybe it was worth having children for the average man under the current capitalist way of life.
Now what? Its an exercise in mental anguish. Sexless, bitchy wife demanding ever more, probably wont even keep a clean home and provide dinner properly all while you gotta look after their mental state.

It made more sense when kids were a means to an end. Farm hands and retirement, if you were gonna have to be a workhorse

I hate antinatalists because it's mainly the midwits Europeans who fall for it, the low IQ people who surely would benefit not only themselves but the whole society by having less kids simply do not give a fuck about it and keep leaving children with broken families

I live in Japan currently and this place is the epitome of it. Men here line up for the chance to become some bitches paypig workhorse with no sex and given an allowance.
Why the fuck do they WANT kids? WANT that life?

i dont want kids because i have ocd, anxiety, depression and am a sperg which i know for sure is genetic(comes from both sides of family, numerous mental illness cases on both sides), and wouldnt want to pass that on. i don't even know if i would like having kids, i know theres the whole "you change when you hold your newborn", but what if it doesnt for me? what if i end up hating them? plus finding a decent woman worth having kids with seems really difficult nowadays.

>>53018144
>a father with a healthy relationship with his sons
is that considered horror or comedy by trannies like you?

>>53018144
Cute

>>53019528

> It made more sense when kids were a means to an end. Farm hands and retirement, if you were gonna have to be a workhorse

True. Nowadays you pay for your whore daughter go to college to get railed by niggers. You dont even expect anything in return.

Also in this economy your child will bring you down economically, you cant expect them to be sucessful financially.

>>53019579
> i know theres the whole "you change when you hold your newborn

I thought that too. I was there right when the kid got out of the womb. It's an incredible moment but i didnt change at all. The only thing that happened is the instinct to protect. But love, selfless sacrifice, good feelings? No.

>>53019179
>So why the fuck would I?
you absolutely shouldn't have kids if you dont want them, you're right. and wanting to have kids doesnt necessarily make you a good father either btw, plenty of abusive losers wanted kids.
>broken relationships and ruined dynamics with mother and father
i have several examples of good relationships despite having kids around me. that's why you have to choose your partner well. if you're an attractive and intelligent guy, you should be able to find your equal in a woman.
>>53019260
>Then when they leave the nest mom and dad realise thru dont like each other, relationship does long ago for the kids and they split or stay together in bitterness.
that's why you only have to focus on couples who made it (had kids + still love each other). the only way to make it family-wise is to look up to those people and emulate them. find a well-adjusted empathetic woman and you've done 80% of the hard job.
>>53019528
>Sexless, bitchy wife demanding ever more, probably wont even keep a clean home and provide dinner properly all while you gotta look after their mental state.
that's projection. if you can attract a good woman, she'll want to have a sex life, won't be bitchy and will want to live in a clean home. of course a girl like this wont expect you to be a deadbeat loser so you better be well-adjusted yourself, you'll both have to work towards the same goal to make it happen.

your problem is that you only focus on all the negative sides of having children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU4DgHHwVCc

I don't. I just want bit and nothing but bit. No one gives a shit about no damn kids.

>>53018144
This is really wholesome.

>>53018138
>You're a genetic dead end ready to be forgotten by everyone in this world an
And you're gonna die as well, bald nigger

>>53018163
They're broke white trash, they need others to validate them.
My family sucks dick and I'm poor so I'm not having kids.

>>53018172
>>53018171
Enjoy being faggoys.
>>53018197
Get new material.

>>53017954
Your post is accurate and spot on. I caved and had kids and what played out is exactly what you wrote. My life is great on paper but dystopian in reality.

>>53018782
>all this whiny bitchass word salad
Nigger either grow some balls or neckrope. Muh rat race or whatever you wuss asses cry at night is nothing but gene pool filter. You know you’re weak as shit thats why you crumble under pressure and just cope with the lie that at least you wont contribute to the “rat race” just like your parents did. When you are the reason you’re in this rat race in the first place. Either swim or drown faggot.

>>53017954
Not having kids with the woman you settle down with is like leveling up to max level but never actually moving on to stage 2.

Being scared to raise children is just being scared to be a man. If your fuck-up parents could manage it, so can you.

>>53017956
God damn fucking normie. Fucking sheeple bitch. How about this. Let's compromise. I'll get a bitch pregnant and YOU raise them. Deal? LOL

>>53017962
you are literally an NPC for being a slave to your basic programming
Unironically don't have kids. You're a retard that can't think for themselves aka a weak link

>>53020651
it's not about being scared, dumb faggot. It's about not wanting some annoying brat ruin my chill life. Also the world is going to hell. Why bring kids in a world going to hell? Sadist cunt

There's this bizarre sentiment that (as you can observe in your own thread) is pretty strong. This concept that without children you won't ever be *truly* happy, in the long run. As in, you can't find *true* happiness from going to the gym or getting good at a craft of your choice, but true happiness comes from "planting your seed" and bringing your offspring into the world.

The truly strange thing is that said people also get very defensive about their thoughts on this, both online and irl. Granted, irl its mostly people who have children already and they either mean it when they say it's truly a very unique and fulfilling experience or they hate it and they legitimately lie to themselves and others in the process.

But I'm just saying it's very strange how defensive people get over the concept of having kids. It really is not a joke, it's a 100% life changing decisions you can't get rid of at all, and this is exactly why so many children are neglected, abused, etc; people with not much commitment get tricked into doing something without truly and fully realizing it'll change their lives in every single way = shitty treatment of children.

There's also enough people in this world already I think and with all the advancements in technology and automation I think things are only going to get even worse and harder if you weren't born into either wealth -or- a family with good strong connections already so the lower class is only going to get poorer and more desperate, etc. But that's a whole other topic

>>53017954
>OP thinks he's smart for extincting his bloodline
good. you do that. i feel zero need to dissuade you.

>>53017954
Men want children because raising children is a rewarding experience and it does a service to them and socioty as a whole. Real men are caretakers of socioty, if you have not matured into that role then you are still a child no matter what your age. I used to be content playing vidoegames and eating junk food until one day I realized the experiences in games are hollow (and so are the calories of junk food), for my actions to really mean something they had to be in the real world winning the real game, and continuing your bloodline by raising strong children is one way to do that. Sorry you are still a boy anon, I hope you grow up one day but in the modern paternalists state it's unlikely.

>>53020705
>There's also enough people in this world already
Yep. We're overpopulated worldwide. That's a bad omen. There's going to be a disgusting reset sooner or later. THEN at least it could make sense since life because easy after the resets happen.

>>53020727
You're an NPC n****r and probably aren't even rich. Chances are you have shit genes yet tricked yourself into thinking otherwise aka your kid is going to live a horrid life when they grow up because you can't give them a rewarding life. All you did was produce cattle for the jews.

>>53020697
>some annoying brat
your own offspring
>ruining my chill life
waaaaaah oh no responsibility!!!1 What if taking care of my kids means I can't play as much vidya????
>the world is going to hell
the world is always going to hell. We had the largest generation ever under the very real, looming threat of global nuclear devastation.

Listen, I understand your sentiments, sitting on your ass and doing fuckall is way easier, but everyone has to grow up some time. Picture yourself at 65 with 0 kids and a wife who wishes she had some. (or no wife at all)

>>53017971
The continuation of your genes is hardly the important part of having kids, it's about passing down your wealth, knowledge, and culture. You have done none of those things.

>>53020697
You smell reddit

>>53020759
>your own offspring
and?
>waaaaaah oh no responsibility!!!1 What if taking care of my kids means I can't play as much vidya????
Not an argument for procreation
>the world is always going to hell.
retard midwit take. The world works in cycles and the longer something goes on, the more cracks form until all hell breaks loose. Then when the blood is over, life becomes easy again. Let me dumb it down for you more. When did the economy have the most prosperous times? It was AFTER shit hit the fan. For instance, mega bullruns happen AFTER recessions/depressions. What you are doing by having kids now is the equivalent to "buying the top" only that your offspring will be the one holding the bag. Retard
>We had the largest generation ever under the very real, looming threat of global nuclear devastation.
Ww3 is going to happen in your offspring's lifetime. I guess you like the idea of watching your offspring get nuked or dying by bio weapons, huh? Fucking sick
>

>>53020639
I’m sorry I cant read white trash, can you say something that isn't a soundbite from your favourite youtube influencer ? Thanks !

>>53020809
You must be 18 years old to post here, anon.

>>53020801
Reddit = NPC
Wanting kids "just because" = NPC
Being a slave to your basic programming = NPC

Conclusion: You're a normie midwit

>>53020827
I'm 27, faggot. Have fun watching your kids get nuked during ww3

>>53020837
have fun watching your funko pops melt during the very same nuclear armageddon, at least I'll have lived a full life right up until the bombs.

>>53020639
Anyone who makes being part of the rat race the end goal (you) is a giga faggot. Your kid is nothing more than fuel jews will burn to keep the machine going. Thanks for doing your part, goy

>>53020848
>at least I'll have lived a full life right up until the bombs.
your kids won't

>>53020665
Nature plays out the way it does. We need people like you and you bastard child to clean toilets and shit. Not a chance me or most men will raise a little nigger child of yours. Fact is, a real man raises a family, and finds life's greatest enjoyment from doing such. You do you. By the way, clean up in isle 5, snap to it wage cuck.

>>53020848
>DADDY, WHY IS MY FACE FALLING OFF, AAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!

>>53020859
Better to cross the line and suffer the consequences than stand there staring at the line your entire life.

>>53020862
N****r do you even have 6 figs? Fucking poor bitch lecturing ME? LOL
>real men
Post body. I bet you're not even over 200lb of muscle. Poor and weak. Nice combo, LOL
You are not the cream of the crop. You are delusional. A weak link that will create mediocracy

>>53020881
Aka you couldn't give two shits about your kid's happiness so long as you yourself are happy.

>>53017954
>each i told up front, and they thought “id change” despite accepting it

welcome to the club

I stablish three rules before starting a relationship:
>I will never get married
>I'm okay with kids, but we both need to feel prepared not just you
>If you try to break any of the two, i'm insta-dumping you on the spot and you will never see me again

I don't ask for anything else in the relationship, just for these three rules to be followed.

Took me like 5 relationships until I found someone that didn't actually try to break the rules either by trying to trap me or manipulate me, ngl feel pretty good dumping them on the spot.

>>53020902
>trying to give them a good life in spite of the worlds problems means I don't care

Why am I even telling this to someone who will never breed?

>>53020824
>pink basedjack ID
Fitting for a subhuman rat like you

>>53020828
It's not that you not wanting to have kid that is reddit, it's your reasoning that boils down to "I just want to consume onions till I die". Just lie you don't want to have kids because of your career, financial burden, etc. it makes your point more valid
And if you are in this website you know damn well that the general consensus of the population, media and experts is to not have kids, because they are too much trouble for the average western, which ironically imo is true

>>53020852
Im not part of the rat race anymore because i broke free of that shit years ago. Sorry im not a whiny bitch ass that cant even get himself out of the shit pit they put themselves like you

>>53020960
i thought you loved the rat race anon, you said it made you into a banana

>>53020983
>schizo using his own halucinations as facts
Unironically take meds , no wonder you dont wanna have offsprings. You’re mentally ill lmao…

>>53020953
>I just want to consume onions till I die
I'm not a woman, faggot. 70-80% of consumerism comes from women. What I enjoy is peace and quiet. Along with this, unlike the average down syndrome retard, my brain can analyze the macro better than all of you. I can see where this world is going. Yes, eventually in my lifetime there will be a great reset. No, I don't want a child to have to experience the worst of this world. Failing countries. War. Degenerate promiscuous culture that promotes degeneracy. It's a lost world that will burn in hell.

>>53018224
Based. My son laughed for the first time yesterday. He’s three months old. It’s wild seeing him learn to be a person one tiny step at a time.

>>53020960
>>53020997
You literally were arguing pro rat race, you retarded fucking larper. Secondly I almost retired last run, but fucked up by expecting a blowoff top first. Next bullrun I'll probably retire regardless especially since the next one will be a post recession bullrun which is when the ultimage bullruns happen

Society is Shit, Jobs dont pay and are shit, Wealth usually doesnt last more than 2 Generations, Woman can divorce you for any reason they want, if you havent made it you are now chained to a wagecuck job for at least 18 years... for a man kids are a shitty deal no matter how you look at it.
I dont want Kids because I cant offer them what they deserve.
I think they would agree too if they saw where this world is heading.
My hope is that I die alone and dont have to respawn here ever again.

>>53021017
Real

>>53021035
I was never arguing pro rat race you dumb niggerfaggot. Re-read what i wrote. Niggers like you bitch about the “rat race” because youre too much demented to even try and get out of it. Instead you all wallow in your own shit and just cry like bitches about it and wanna use it as an excuse for everything. Grow some balls and change what you want to change or else just shut your cunt mouth up.

Everyone on this board is just too young to know what they are talking about. When you turn 45 and you’re sitting home alone in silence on Christmas night you will wish you had reverse baby trapped some roast.

>>53021073
>to even try and get out of it.
What part of "I almost retired last year" does your nigger ape chimp brain not understand, fucking retard? Obviously I "tried" and will keep doing so, faggot

>>53020997
>yoUrE menTaLLy iLL LmAO

proper spoOked lad

>>53018849
>>53018881
B00kmarked

>>53021109
What part of you as in the plural you dont you understand you mouth breather ? It literally was followed by another “you all” in the next sentence to make it easier for dumbfucks to understand and they still failed. Jesus fuck im glad you decided to end your pathetic genes because your offsprings would be literal troglodytes.
>>53021117
Swallow your meds bucko

>>53021149
Obviously it's implied you were referring to me as well, cum munching retard

>>53017954
Youre just a coomer.

>>53018849
OP has, unsurprisingly, not replied to this one. Being alive is great, and I hope my kids will think the same

>>53021174
Not my fault your single cell ass lacks basic reading comprehension since you fucked up twice.

>>53021149
>bucko

>>53021199
Nice selfie anon kek

>>53021209

>>53021197
Dumb retard. It's implied you referred to me by referencing me in that same post. You're trying to save face and it's pathetic

>>53017954
>happy and well-payed with a loving wife
>can't wait to bring children into this world and to set them up for comfy, happy lives just like all of my ancestors have done before me

I've literally thanked my parents for bringing me into this world
Imagine arguing for people to end their bloodlines for what, more time to goon to porn and money for meaningless consumption?

>>53021237
>You're trying to save face and it's pathetic
Nice projection btw kek

It's motivation driven by serotonin + oxytocin, as opposed to the bachelor life driven by dopamine. Not going to lie, the latter is a very attractive option in this day & age and I often wonder if the grass is greener; and I am eternally exhausted as a dad but at the same time I somehow love my wife and keeeds.

>>53020892
>

>>53021149
>bucko
10 replies on a basketweaving forum.

>>53018972
I'm doing the same, anon. The OP sounds like hes more concerned about justifying his own lifestyle than actually understanding the parental choice (hence the insults).

>>53021017
Stop using 6 figures as a flex. We all have that here. We are also all aware that the world is coming to a paradign shifting crescendo. You arent more privy to the world than the other anons here. The desperate slinging of insults dowsnt draw people to your side of the argument, either.

Imagine raising kids for 20 years with your own blood sweat and tears only for some AI to outsmart them in an hour

I like sex but not that much

>>53020908
>ngl feel pretty good dumping them on the spot.
lmao the cold hearted bastards on this site make me laugh

>>53021229
(you)

>>53021263
I guarantee you the dopamine fueled way of life gets tiring after a while, also it's meaningless unlike what youre doing as a father. I would NOT dump your wife and leave your kids if youre wondering about it.

>>53020773
>passing your genes isn't important
You're a sad joke, rabbi

>>53022216
>ignores the rest of his post that is comprised of millennia-old wisdom practiced by hundreds of generations
>equates "hardly the important part of" to "unimportant"

Any excuse to make inflammatory shitposts, huh? Very sloppy, do better.

What about adopting? I’m of prime breeding age and still might procreate but I always thought positively influencing a kid or two that wouldn’t have otherwise had that would be way cooler. I mean there are 8 billion people already on the planet and about 99% of us definitely don’t neeeed to pass on our genes or “legacy”. Too bad that it’s not as common as going to the animal shelter.

>>53017954
There's more to life than consooming you basedfaggot

>>53017954
To continue your bloodline

This entire thread is bullshit. Never have I seen so many children afraid to procreate

>>53017954
>if you dont have kids whos gonna pay the national debt?

>>53022658
We're rugpulling the demographics so the NWO doesn't get any more slaves and shitskins of the future don't get access to anymore white genetics.
We literally beat the simulation drive with porn/cheap escorts.
Eat shit.

>>53022705
>We're rugpulling the demographics so the NWO doesn't get any more slaves and shitskins of the future don't get access to anymore white genetics. We literally beat the simulation drive with porn/cheap escorts. Eat shit.

>>53022801
Wow you have definitely convinced me of the error of my ways with such a great argument.

>>53017954
Legacy.

>>53022836
Legacy he says.
1 generation later, boy is an incel videogamer, girl is an onlyfans tattoed loser drinking starbucks.

>>53022822
Your charisma and genetics are such shit that you need to pay money to crack addicts for their stank pussy LMAO

>>53022856
>implying the guy's son will end up a failure like you
Stay blackpilled, loser. You weren't getting to procreate, not that you wanted it anyway

>>53022857
Lolwat. Any decently priced escort is significantly hotter than whatever trashcan human beings you can pull. Also dress better and much cleaner appearance wise than most women.

>>53022878
I like how you refer to normal girls and not the literal whores as "trashcan human beings"
Post your nose kike

>>53018030
>And the kids you raise go on to be your legacy and the good they do in the world is also your doing.
There are plenty of examples of people whose legacy was something other than children, and guess what, Hitler might not have had all the answers because he fucking failed. Wiggers ITT are getting stuck on 88 at the expense of the 14, as usual.

>>53022906
I'd rather fuck a literal whore than ever touch an overweight woman that can't dress, get her hair/nails done, can't fuck, and comes with a truckload of personal life issues.
Call me when modern culture is capable of creating attractive average women.

>not wanting to watch your wife's belly grow with your kids as her tits swell with milk
>not wanting to fuck your pregnant breedsow wife
>not wanting to drink her milk
Oh and I guess raising a kid would be ok

>>53022940
Hey KIKE, I asked you to post your nose

>>53022958
Wait, I'm somehow the kike for not wanting to enable a kike system? Lol

>>53022592
>What about adopting?
hf adopting some low IQ with shit mental health genetics (why he was abandoned) who was emotiopnally neglected as a baby during crucial months and will give you tremendous behavioural problems growing up

>>53023003
You're either a kike or just an idiot white consuming the "don't breed" Jew propaganda. Either way you should crawl into a hole and die you pay-for-pussy loser

>>53020705
Personally I want to have atleast one kid to raise and maybe pass down some skills I've learned, also when I get old the closest person you'd have to take care of you is your kid, your other family members will typically have their own problems with their own families. I think seeing your own child growing up would also be a wonderful experience that cannot really be understood otherwise. I don't see any of these not being fulfilling in some form or what you get from raising your own kid being any form of a lie, you know what you've put yourself with at that point.
Having a kid is a life changing decision, hence you're supposed to plan that shit instead of being filthy coomers. Children can also be taken away from the parents if they were not treated well, though these reflect on the adult more than the existence of the kid itself. The parents commitments are literally the only thing that polarizes the childs experience which is why I mainly don't push people to have kids or not have kids, I just give a shit about myself and plan for my own actions. The abused kids and whatnot is not the first nor the last, what the kid will do with their lives will be upon their choice redemption or not.
If automation and technology exists in the future that should mean convenience and a somewhat better life than now due to less work. I don't care about the state of the world, I only care about the tools I have and what I can do. Humans have gone through worse things.

>>53023050
And yet more and more people don't have kids or relationships. Your low iq world take is falling apart, isn't it anon?

>>53022949
Can you tell me what is hot about fucking a pregnant woman? I can only think people who are into that are getting their jollies over the thought of their cock touching their unborn child.

>>53017954
You were an annoying kid once too. You are also not eternal and depending on lifestyle could become an NPC by 30.
Kids are the future. Those without will have nothing, no proof of existence in a few short decades.

>>53021510
>chudposting in almost 2023
Lol, lmao even

>>53023072
>what is hot about a woman who is helping you fulfil your biological purpose

>>53023072
Also did you miss the big tits and milk part?

So fucking glad the absolute filth here have decided to not procreate (as if they had an option lol) your ancestors should be burning in hell right now just of their blasphemy of leading to your creation

>>53023065
>everyone is just like me

>>53023123
So fucking glad the absolute filth that you are will have tranny kids (as if you can raise them right lol) your ancestors will be seething in hell right now when they find out your kid likes dressing like a woman.

>>53023125
You can't deny that the masses are no longer doing classic relationships and that the birthrate has tanked. No one with a brain wants to be part of clown world you stupid fuck.

I used to want kids but now I'm 28 and really have wasted my 20s. Having a kid now is horrifying to me as I already really don't feel like I've lived at all. but I feel like the time is running out as well.

Need to really get my act together soon

>>53023224
>im a cum guzzling trannie so others kids will be too
Sorry your father left you before you were even born trannie. Now go dilate somewhere else.

>>53023325
>No one with a brain wants to be part of clown world you stupid fuck.
This. Why have kids if you already struggle with yourself to keep alive? Clown world is hard mode and your kids are gonna fight even harder.

No one with a brain and a bit of empathy would send another soul into this world without making it first. To raise kids and have enough time to homeschool them without wageslaving all day. Ironically, money solves everything in this topic.

>>53017954
Consider it an investment. With many sons you have your own employees. With daughters can marry them off to wealthier families. This was how Kings/Dukes/rich landowners would increase power centuries ago. Of course this can only be successful if you raise them according to God's advice in the KJV. But no heathens here will take this advice.

Never have kids.

More proof mods are glowies and/or CCP for leaving this garbage up

>>53017954
me neither, never wanted them for all the reasons already discussed in this thread.

others are free to have them and that's great, i need someone to keep buying my crypto and index fund bags, so thanks for that frens

>>53018830
Real dumb

>>53017954
Fuck having kids and honestly fuck having a wife at this point either. Play life like a video game

>>53017954
I want kids for a variety of reasons. I should note for 35 years I did not want them for all of the reasons you cited and more.

But the reality at a certain point I want others to be around as I grow older. I have some health things including the risk of blindness, and to put it bluntly, I dont want to have to deal with my potential decline on my own. And I know what people will say, having kids support you isnt a sure thing. True. But if I love them and raise them correctly I have better odds than going through life alone and with 100% chance I wont have people to help me through rough times. And that's really what it comes down to. It's not about money. If anything I will just use them as motivation to make as much as possible. It's simply about wanting to support others and receive support in return.

>>53025343
sounds pretty selfish honestly

>>53017954
You are a Jew

>>53017980
Globohomo narrative is
Don't have kids, don't consume, carve your reproductive organs out, get vaccinated, kill yourself

>>53025536
maybe, but reading this thread makes it pretty obvious the motivations to not have kids are equally if not more selfish. All of the arguments against are basically; but I want time for myself, I dont want to spend money on others, I want to play video games, smoke weed, etc. It's a complete inability to make sacrifices and is rooted squarely in selfishness. Im at least saying that I'm willing to give some of my time, money and support to another and hopefully one day that support to shown to me as well. And the thing is having two incomes with my wife we can still hit financial goals and have good sex. Money is very important, I would never say otherwise. But at some point reality hits you that you just cant do everything on your own, and money cant be the sole focus

Most of us can’t afford to have kids in this economy. I’m barely hanging on to my job and the inflation is eating my savings. Only welfare niggers and the ultra-rich have a strong incentive to reproduce.

>>53023325
Hey bro, I'm back from taking my lovely sons out for a fun night of Christmas mini golf and chicken tenders. Still seething that not everyone is as miserable as you huh?

quality thread, funny too.
does anyone else find this to be brilliant? genetic dead end men are willingly coming to terms with ending their bloodline. coming up with any reason/excuse for how their life turned out, accusing women of being too selective with height or not understanding why a man would want to raise their own child. you really couldn't ask for a cleaner, smoother and more accepting way to carry out eugenics. yes anons, please continue never wanting children, it's the least you could do for us all.

>>53017956
You dropped this

>>53017954
I'm 36 and want kids but only with a sane, beautiful, white wife (which I don't have).

So no kids.

It all goes back to the WEF you will own nothing, be happy agenda. Generally speaking lower class and IQ blacks, jeets, and mexicans are the ones populating cause of free gibs. Middle class decently smart people are not cause they feel the same way the OP does. What will happen is in 2-3 more generations there will be no middle class, only wealthy and poor. Zoomers will probably live to see the full extent of this where all neighborhoods are interracial and filled with LGBT bullshit. The rich win they have their slave population under wrap and globalization worked out. Only other option is ww3 in which they win again cause they will achieve their population plan and emerge from their bunkers as the saviors of the remaining wasteland survivors. It's win win for them anyway. Mark my words.

>>53020727
OP here.
Havent played video games for about 8 years. Work out and eat well for over a decade. Learned two foreign languages in that time.
Live alone and face life. I find meaning without needed to shit out some children. Yawn. Try another angle because you sound like a fucking women pressuring their beta male husband into kids

>>53025871
"sane" is where things get tricky..my ex was dropped gorgeous. But her anger issues were out of control. There is always something..

>>53017962
If that's all you want why not just donate sperm at the maximum allowable rate? Why dedicate half your life to raising them? You don't have to.

you dudes that blame lack of height are seriously so pathetic. I'm 5'8", and have been in countless relationships, married, etc. Jesus Christ blame something else for once. Like your shit personality.

>>53017956
Fpbp

>>53025993
A viable K selected choice, but you won't have the enjoyment of watching them grow up.
You relive your childhood through your kids and get to show them cool shit that blows their mind.
Sadly you'll never know the simple joy of being a parent. from your post, this is a good thing .

>>53025799
Sounds gay I'd rather play mmo drink vodka and scream nigger in proximity chat not wait for some little fag to finish putting

I dont want to have kids
Am 32 and never had a girlfriend anyways

Also not enough money and after i finally got my masters want to move around a bit and see the world

>>53025984
BHAHAHAHAHAH

>>53026043

Are you 12, because you sound like you're 12.

>>53025847

I could have had children if i wanted. I had to leave two relationships that were multiple years long because the women wanted kids.
Its no problem mate, i just rather not. Hard for you to understand options when you probably have none.

Too many people glorify the “passing on genes” shit because its an ego massage and they are likely painfully average and normal people are best and feeling successful by “passing on genes” is the only big win they feel they can have, when, in reality, anyone can fucking do it.

People rarely had kids just to cognitively pass on genes historically. They had them to ensure retirement and get cheap labour, or for the affluent, the only means to jeep wealth.
It was strictly practical. However normal average people like you create some grand win by fetishising the passing of genes as if it makes you important cause its probably the only importance in your average life to make you feel successful. For most men, i can see this rhetoric being used before and long after their kids

Most importantly, women and children constitute the central reason people are forced into providing their labor for income until they are so old that all of their human capital is expended

by making the conscious choice to skip all that is THE best way to liberate yourself from that system

>>53026043
You will never know the joys of having sons then, which is your loss. Sure I waited a bit for my boys, they're just kids; but when my 7 year old hit his very first hole-in-one... Just the look of elation on his face, and that squeal he made it all worth it

>>53025986
Same here, I had a literal model gf who had the same outdoorsy interests as me and would have been perfect for me...except totally insane with PTSD so I had to break up with her.

>>53026037
based

>>53020755
The tranny can't say niggerlololol


>>53020727
You are correct

Offspring can go wrong in ways that will make you regret everything or can go right in ways that will make you so happy you made a pregnant
Basically could go up, could go down
I used to want kids but then I experienced things that would made me not want kids
In an ideal world I would have kids, in this one I'll let you guys do the reproduction, enjoy

>>53025598
>>53017962
>NPC meme
>childfree
you breeders are fucking stupid

>>53025847
sounds like you are seething at the idea of genetic dead ends not reproducing rather than be happy about it

>>53017954
Watching my daughter slowly learning to read right bow and I feel immense pride.

I legit pity you.

>>53027450
>Watching my daughter slowly learning to read right bow
where did she learn? pls don't hit me

>>53022932
>There are plenty of examples of people whose legacy was something other than children,

Few that actually matter. The George Washingtons and Teslas are the exception not the rule.

>>53017954
To fuck them of course.

>>53027502
Obviously not from me

I don't want a girlfriend or children or a boyfriend for that matter, and I'm autistic so definitely not meant to reproduce anyway
I just want to make money and direct my mind towards the sublime

>>53020705
You are literally a meme.

>>53027564
kek

>>53017954
I have a daughter because I met my girlfriend who happens to deeply and truly love me so I made her really good sexy sex once some special occasion and I didn't pussy out from being a man and just fucking do it because I can, what are you gonna do about it faggot.
Verification not required.

>>53018144
>polcels resorting to making their own polcels because no one likes them and not even their echo chamber echoes back to them so they make kids so they can finally brainwash someone into thinking like them and echoing back kekkkkkkk

>>53026175
My kids will dance on your grave. If you have no children, you are just a walking bag of fertilizer and your opinion doesn't matter.

/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>53017954
Ironic how your ancestors survived and continued your family's lineage only for you to end it by being a pussyfag

My wife and I are both 28 and we have our first kid on the way. AMA

>>53028723
Did the condom burst?

>>53017954
I want to have kids but I was repeatedly abused by my mother from birth (p sure she is a sadistic psychopath or BPD, but she's high IQ so she gets away with it) to a degree that I don't think i'm psychologically equipped to raise a child to become a healthy adult. It hurts because I am acutely aware of the parts of me that are missing and broken from the way I was raised. If you have parents who actually loved you, or at least didn't intentionally abuse you for their own enjoyment, please hug them and tell them you love them for me.

>>53018007
People like you should forcefully be made sterile

>>53017954
Having a son is worth the toil, having a daughter is not
>t. father of 2

>>53029313
No, it was intentional.
She even got pregnant during the first month we were trying, which was pretty soon after our wedding.

>>53017954
because what else are you gonna do with your time once you are 50+? If you have kids at least you can meet up with them and enjoy watching their life for another 30-40 years. Not like there is much else to do anymore at that age.

Though I do understand the argument that Western society has never treated fathers worse than now. Women have all the advantages in front of a court, can divorce you on a whim, take half your shit, and you get 20 years of alimony payments by law and go to jail if you cant pay. Its extremely abusive and given the divorce rates I would probably not become a father either if I was a western cuck.

>tfw arab chad

>>53029354
*hits pipe*

>>53017954
I have a son. It is absolutely worth it. I love my son and seeing him happy inspires me every single day.

>>53029403
Live out my endless fantasies in a post-singularity full immersion virtual reality world, without any baggage to hold me down.

>>53017954
>Genes compete for dominance
>Your genes are successful enough to remain this long
>Your mindset/knowledge is successful enough to survive this many years
>Your social status is enough to attract a breedable mate
>This genetic and cultural competition has been going on for millenia
>You decide to end it because ((You cant be bothered goy))
Suit yourself

Why are whites so scared of having children

>>53029471
How did you luck out and won the lottery? *Hits pipe*

>>53017968
You cant reverse baby trap a woman beacuse the law is against men by default.

>>53017978
same

>>53029559
>Your genes are successful enough to remain this long
retard take. the percentage of DNA that you share with your great great great great great grandparents is around 3.125%. in other words, they are nothing like you. your great great grandchildren will look nothing like you too and will probably be brown

>>53028026
>My kids will dance on your grave.
and their brainwashed mulatto offspring will dance on their graves and piss on yours

>>53017954
Having kids is fulfilling af. And I owe it to my ancestors. Try harder Chaim

>>53017954
If you're a good parent your kids will be there to the very end.

LMAO. a bag of bit will serve me better than literally any kid ever can.

>muh lineage
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So many bloodlines have ended despite them having kids out the ass.
It literally does not matter, have a kid? he dies 10 years later to some disease or accident, poof all your genetic shit is now gone and so is your bloodline.

>>53017954
Most men are protectors and providers, they enjoy raising a child to become a proper adult if it’s their own. You must have autism.

>>53017954
I honestly don't know. It's a burden preventing quitting the rat race. Same for a wife, really, unless she has the same mindset, but her biological clock will tick and you wouldn't have the final word over it.
I unironically only need 500K-600K€ to quit, I can just live off divies. My yearly spendings, including rent in the most pricey area of the country (France, Paris), is ~22K€/y. Add-in +2K€ give or take when I travel for an entire month on the other side of the world every 2 or 3 years. The only thing I don't know yet is healthcare spending, as I'm young and it's covered through national social security. Though I guess I could still retain a small job for a day a week or something at some charity organization or some shit that need employees.

And I'm halfway through it. Not even accounting for the inheritance in, unfortunately, ~15 years. Having kids wouldn't allow me to even think of quitting the rat race.

>>53017954

People respect you more for having the balls to embark on this and it also gives you motivation + an excuse to avoid any previous unproductive behaviors. This has allowed me to quit several nasty drug habits in short order and get back to my hobbies. It's great social proof, much better than other assets that cost a similar amount over 18 yrs.