/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>53688800
i don't have that much wisdom but I'm 34 and in a similar spot, except i've stacked up over $1m, so i can basically retire but then i will be 100% disconnected from the outside world.

are you a fellow schizoid anon? how did it happen that you're 30 with no friends? do you desire social connections?

Step 1, delete all frog pictures on you hard drive

>>53688800
First is the language u use. You put yourself in this state because of your language.
Find meaning in a meaningless existence.
Meditate.
And remember PMA.
Positive Mental Attitude.
Whenever i am sad , I remember that i am not a fag , because somewhere out there , there is a fag who is molesting a kid because that's how they reproduce , and that isn't you.
So be grateful.

>>53688800
Get a job where you see people everyday.
I made seven figures off of crypto and realized I neglected everything else in my life.
I got a part time job in the city as a bartender and met lots of different people. I even got laid a few times just talking to women.

>>53688800
Am I disillusioned by believing this post is incinsere? As if it is an attempt to demoralize the reader by implying a 30yo with 0 working experience is able to earn 100k in but a years time, with the added attempt to gain sympathy, by basically saying "I'm one of you guys. Feel sorry for me pls". What did OP mean by this?

>>53688800
I'm pushing 40 with a wife who doesn't work and a 1 year old son and I work 24 hours a week at an Amazon warehouse. We live in a shit violent city. It could be worse. I'm gonna have to figure something out. No idea about side hustles but good luck. Mine would be illegal

>>53688872
>trying to turn literally everything in a coordinated evil "demoralization" effort
calm down and take your meds, this would have the opposite of a demoralizing effect if read by a sane human.

>>53688826
>are you a fellow schizoid anon?
how do I find this out? I remember one time I did a schizoid personality test and I had some traits but none of the delusional parts apply to me. I kinda wanted it to be true so I could justify loneliness but the most important traits just don't apply to me.

how did it happen that you're 30 with no friends? do you desire social connections?
I used to have friends, but I had a falling out with a good friend because he was the kind of guy who couldn't stand to see others do better than him and would always drag others down to his level so he didn't have to feel so insecure. He was hyper competitive within our friend group and not in a good way that pushes us to all improve. He just wanted everyone to be at his level. He would talk shit behind the backs of our friend group and whenever you would share good news about your life with him he wouldn't be excited for you. He was just a bad friend even though we grew up together and got along well, he just was an overall bad influence. Anyways, I slowly started to distance myself and he accused me of not giving a shit about our group and being autistic I never saw him again and I guess my friend group as well. Sad thing though is that none of them tried to reach out to me.

>>53688841
I went through the self-improvement phase, but I came to realize it's a cope. I'm sure some things like meditation and going to the gym have benefits, but my depression just drags me into this pit of despair.

>>53688916
there's no definitive test that I know of, but just go to the wikipedia and see how many traits apply to you - if most do it's a pretty safe bet you probably have a schizoid personality

for me i really enjoy being alone and in my own world, i push people away actually. i get lonely sometimes but when i'm around people it's exhausting and i desire nothing more than to be alone again.

i'm not really 'delusional' but i find it very easy to just live in my own head, talk to myself, think about things etc. it's a blessing and a curse, i can operate really easily alone and now i make $150k+ WFH, own my own place, am stacking crypto etc - but i imagine another ~50 years alone and it can be daunting.

i will very likely retire by 40 and then travel the world though so that'll be fun

>>53688871
My job started off in the office while I was being trained for the first few weeks and I absolutely hated it. It was my first office job and I soon realized it's high school tier drama. I grew up believing that office jobs were very professional and the relationships are professional. But it's literally a hierarchy of men and women jostling for status and gossiping like it's the goddamn school cafeteria at lunch time. Never going back to the office. The roasties were the worst. They literally go up to Chads just to talk about nothing and waste time when Chad is just trying to be productive and do his work.

>>53688872
>30yo with 0 working experience is able to earn 100k in but a years time
Sorry, should have specified I had like 30k already in the bank when I started, and earned like 50k after taxes this past year. Didn't mean to come off as insincere.

>>53688950
that sounds rough man, wish i was still doing the training period instead of having to deal with a bunch of stupid retards.

good luck with what ever it is you're doing, sounds comfy af desu

>>53688931
I think about stopping on the Ben Franklin Bridge at 3:15 in the middle of night and jumping off and would it benefit my family.

>>53688878
Yeah, I'm looking to get into a side hustle to supplement my income, since I don't do anything else when I'm not working

>>53688966
Is it more about keeping active than actually making money?

>>53688947
It's nice to be alone, I really enjoy my personal space. But once in a while I want to engage with other people. People are meant to have social connections, it's just nature. I completely understand the whole people make you exhausted, I feel that way most of the time as well. But years of loneliness takes its toll and I realize I can't go the rest of my life as a hermit. Sounds like you have a lot going for you, I wish you the best fren, hope it turns out for the best,

>>53688962
It's sorta comfy but the field I'm in as absolutely terrible. I can't say the exact industry for certain reasons but really the only comfy part is WFH. The actual work itself is very stressful and it gets very busy

>>53688964
I've had bad thoughts but I'm too pussy to do it and also I could never do that to my parents, it would devastate them and I don't want them to have to go through that

>>53688985
a little bit of both. I've already dumped half my net worth into crypto and I would like to make it next bull run but also it would be nice to keep myself occupied

>>53688841
>somewhere out there , there is a fag who is molesting a kid because that's how they reproduce

>>53688800
Bro don't worry about it, you know how much money and time people waste maintaining their friend groups? I tried having an active social life once and couldn't do half of the shit I wanted to normally.
Just focus on making it, purchase nice things, attract a decent woman and focus on your family like a real man.

>>53688989
same to you
btw part of having a schizoid personality is a 'yearning' now and then for social connections, but then when you get chances to get them you turn them away
it's similar to avoidant personality disorder so some people get them confused
anyway, best of luck out there brother, just try and make something of this strange life, even something small.

>>53689061
>>53689066
>>53689050
>>53689022
>>53689013
>>53689005
>>53688989
>>53688966
>>53688916

Like it could be worse anons.
Im 26, living off student loans (10k a semester in a meme masters program), 100k student debt, 20k cc debt, living cheap in colombia 500$ a month, trying to run it back turbo.
new loan just dropped.
>600k peak bull in 2107
>held alts
>blew last 100k trading btc
>family still thinks im rich
>no friends, no gf, complete isolation
I havent kms because of my parents, just know wagmi. i spend 12 hours a day looking at charts and just got a 100k funded fx account, pray for me

>>53689061
on paper it sounds so nice, but in reality I just go through bouts of depression and I'm so numb I can't even cry. I want to make it and to be honest I'm grateful for biz frens, you guys have given me lots of laughs over the years.

>>53689066
>a 'yearning' now and then for social connections, but then when you get chances to get them you turn them away
jesus christ this is literally me. Also, whenever I do have the rare social interaction, as soon as it's over I overthink/overanalyze every single detail how it went. I end up feeling like shit and beat myself up for saying something dumb/autistic. I spend the rest of the day replaying it in my head over and over.

>>53689091
praying for you, anon. wagmi. I'm too tarded to understand charts but 600k sounds amazing, I hope to make that much in my lifetime

>>53689117
I'm the same. I'll struggle to sleep that night because my brain chemistry has been so changed by the social interaction that my mind races trying to dissect all the new information. (i'm 33, virgin and live alone)

>>53688800
>, a group of possibly homosexual anons

you had to throw that in there didn't you nigger

>>53689117
>>53689302
yeah i think you guys are probably schizo, i think 90% of 4chan has a schizoid personality type to be honest
it's one of the most undiagnosed things as well, because we don't really have depression or anything obviously wrong with us but we generally don't fit in
also one of the biggest schizoid signs is an inability to understand social customs, and as much as i wish i could, i just can't get over the ritual of marriage and no fault divorce and having to submit to a woman, so i know i will absolutely never get married

>>53689117
are you me?

>>53689321
>Schizoid personality disorder (/ˈskJtsɔJd, ˈskJdzɔJd, ˈskJzɔJd/, often abbreviated as SzPD or ScPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships,[9] a tendency toward a solitary or sheltered life style, secretiveness, emotional coldness, detachment, and apathy. Affected individuals may be unable to form intimate attachments to others and simultaneously possess a rich and elaborate but exclusively internal fantasy world.[10][11] Other associated features include stilted speech, a lack of deriving enjoyment from most activities, feeling as though one is an "observer" rather than a participant in life, an inability to tolerate emotional expectations of others, apparent indifference when praised or criticized, a degree of asexuality, and idiosyncratic moral or political beliefs.

>>53688800
>>53688826

>30 year old introvert here with like 15+ friends and 30+ sort-of-friends (more than I want)

To be honest I've found most of my friends though drugs. No hardcore drugs (heroin, cocaine, etc), but drugs like weed, alcohol and mdma. And for the record, I only use that shit rarely anymore, like 4 times a year at most (and like 6 drinks per months on average).

What you should do is this:, go to some festival where people use MDMA, take some yourself (just ask around on the festival) and smoke a few cigarettes in the smoking area. 99% of the time people high on drugs want to have friendly and deep conversations with you even though you're a stranger (that's one of the main effects of mdma). Ones you find people you like, make sure you find some common interests that don't involve drugs, i.e. rock climbing or some shit.

I'm 100% sure the above will work, I'm not as sure you' ll try it though.

>>53688800
i have no idea how anyone has friends past college.You move a few times and that's it done, no contact persists after a few years living hours apart.

Then all my co-workers in all jobs I've done have been way older. Currently there are some young but they're ex drug users in a health service and even if they're my age we obviously have little in common, plus despite some being my age (27) they've all got 6 kids from 15 years old so the same issue as being old basically applies.

Doesn't bother me that much but I've just never been in a position to actually have any friends.

>>53689385
for me, i think you're misunderstanding - i'm pretty content with being alone with no friends. i can't speak for OP though. I don't feel the need to try anything different for now.
i don't really like other people and they suffocate me, i feel free and at peace when i have solitude.

>>53689302
it's the worst feeling, it consumes you. Every now and then I think about all the cringe I've said in specific moments of my life and I die a little inside

>>53689435

it gets me down when i realise i won't have children, and when i see pretty girls on instagram and make up fantasies about how i would go on picnics with them and be in love. but otherwise i don't care.

>>53689319
just a little joke, I know we're all super-straight sexual orientation on this board

>>53689470

me too. in fact i get this weird involuntary shudder/tic whenever i think over what i said might have been cringe. and rationally, most of the time, it's not even cringe. i'm just paranoid.

>>53688800
Most people have this issue in their 30's unless they're still closely connected with people then studied at school/uni with. It's extremely difficult for me to make friends because I'm in my mid 30s and have a family.

I know you feel like you're on your own, but you're not. Just got to keep going and hopefully we'll all make it.

>>53689321
I wonder why so many of us end up finding 4chan, it's like our personality traits draw us here

>>53689354
Yes, we are literally each other. Remember that time somebody wronged us and we did nothing? And then we obsessed over that moment for months/years and think what we could have done differently? Yeah, I remember too.

>>53689520
the sense of humor subverts social customers, schizoids tend to have perspectives outside the norm or at least find those perspectives interesting
also the obvious - it's anonymous and a meritocracy - no usernames, no post histories, absolutely zero risk of forming social connections and you can be and say anything with freedom

>>53689537
*customs

>>53688800
What wfh job did you get? Advice on finding one?

Old fag who did lots in his 20s when world was better. He's my obvious advice.

>Travel. See the world, go places that you have a passion and interest for the culture. Make it an adventure.

>Be creative. It can be anything as long as you are giving something interesting to the world and have projects and goals.

>Have interests. For me its been music, this is how Ive met most people I know. Going out, getting involved in a local scene and helping. It can be anything chess club, hiking group whatever.

>Have some faith. Develop your love of wisdom (philosophy) and familiarise yourself important axioms for positive thinking.

I know this is easier said than done but they are real solutions to the problems we all face.

I don't think it can be characterized as schizoid when this shit is happening on a societal-wide scale. Male virginity above the age of 18 has something like doubled. I'm a student living in an apartment alone and I've noticed that most of my neighbors are guys who are basically home most of the day and never have friends over either.

>>53689404
I watched a video from some youtuber recently, I think he was called HealthyGamer or something. He's some psychologist who talks about a lot of mental health stuff and he seems to know his stuff. I watched a video where he talks about how a lot of people aren't taught how to maintain relationships and it really opened my eyes. I was always the type of person that waited for friends to call so we could hang out. I would never take the initiative because I think deep down I was afraid of rejection and abandonment. I realized that you really have to work on relationships to keep them alive, and that takes effort. All you young guys out there, don't neglect your relationships. Pick up the phone and call a friend you haven't spoken to in a long time.

>>53689435
I do like being alone most of the time but every once and a while I'd like to experience going out with friends to go rock climbing or something fun

>>53689496
yeah same, I don't think others really perceive us the same way we overthink our behavior. I just can't help it though

>>53689514
thanks for the encouraging words, fren. wagmi

>>53689537
yeah true, lots of reasons. I've spent so much time on this site, on different boards throughout the years, and the feels we share really makes me feel better knowing I'm not the only one.

I need more income. My only work right now is freelance audio stuff and a small part time gig that pays $500 a month. I want to keep my schedule open as much as possible, or at least have something where I can work remotely so I can still travel. Any tips?

>>53689559
I'll probably dox myself if I post the field, so I can't say. As for advice, all I can say is that I got the job from someone I know, but turns out I'm one of the best hires they've ever had because I go full autismo when working and my work ethic is beyond what normies can comprehend so it puts me in a good position to keep the job

Unfortunately I need to go to bed now because I work 11 hour shifts every day and I need to get to bed now but if this thread is still up after my shift I'll come back and answer everyone. Goodnight frens, thanks for making me feel less alone tonight. Hope you have a good day.

>>53688800
brah, you don't know how well you got it made. imagine being in your 30's and not being a friendless, WFH NEET. you'll have friends that just want to hang out, get drunk, high and talk shit about the past over and over again. If you work in the private sector, you'll bump into a lot of hot 20-ish girls that won't look at you or give you the time of day. plus they all have retard zoomer scrub bfs that always want to borrow the hot girls cars. in reality, they don't want an older, sugar daddy for a bf, they want to look cool on their INSTAchat by parading around a useless zoomer bf eater. they'll only parade a 30 something around if you're making at the very least 6.5 figures and drive a luxury car and own a decent size home or condo

i literally go home depressed af thinking about it every night. i fucking envy you so much, froggofag

>>53688800

If you haven't got an established friend group by college it is unequivocally over in terms of social life, you had eighteen (18) whole years to find people like you anon. I wouldn't worry too much about it anyway; 'friendship' in adulthood consists of seeing them once a week if that.

>>53689364
>>53689321
Well, guess I'm a schizoid. Probably not full blown but pretty close.

As I've embraced schizoid traits lately my schizo powers have improved. I genuinely think I'm uncovering secrets about the world including stuff like decoding music videos and lyrics. In that vein I want to let any fellow 30 year old schizoids in on one of my observations so hopefully you don't have to wage 11 hour shifts like OP for much longer. Elon Musk appears to be laying breadcrumbs for Monero. I really think XMR exists for people like us to make it. Like there are people above that don't need money who have setup Monero as a sort of life raft for those that find it in time. Like we're in the endgame and people are getting filtered in lots of ways and Monero is one of them. No shill, I really think this. Good luck frens.

>>53688800
This may sound weird, but in my opinion "real world" relationships are becoming more and more meaningless, especially if you live in a city where you feel like a small ant, or a cog in the machine. It's just so impersonal. Trust me when I say that you're not alone feeling like this, when even complete normalfags I hang around with have to rely on illicit substances to cope with this aspect of life. Why do you think most go out and drink/use drugs every week end?

You are still 30, and that's young. There is nothing right now except your fears preventing you to try a change of scenery, like moving in a small village in the countryside for example. Or trying to join a boxing gym, reading club, anything really (there even are LN/VN clubs these days for weeb zoomers)
If you put yourself in situations where you'll be forced to regularly interact with a smaller subset of people for your hobbies or actual necessities, I believe it can help you slowly but surely walk on the steps towards the social intergation you feel you need to be acomplished as a person.

In the case you feel like your only chance at making decent realtionships is online, it's not like all hope is lost for making connections. Being passionate or even autistic about stuff like finance can help with networking and making friends who would be happy to know you better, to understand what makes you think in a certain way, etc. It's not uncommon for people in tranny crypto discord groups or even tight-knit telegram communities to organize IRL meetups after going through similar experiences for a long time, and you'd be surprised at how decent people you'd think would be complete nutjobs actually are in real life once they feel comfortable enough to open with other people.

>>53689091
are you really complaining while having 100k in an account? god you have zero idea what a bad situation is, do you? you even still have both your parents. you NEED 2 go back NOW

>>53688800
Sounds awesome desu. quit bitching. If you knew what it felt to have to work with people maybe you wouldn't complain.

what job and how did you get it?
t. fellow 30 year old khv neet drowning in debt

I was gonna travel some more this summer but honestly not sure how I'd meet anybody. Was gonna go to the Telluride jazz fest here in Colorado. Maybe pick up like a Miata to drive down there and just have a nice trip or something

>>53688800
What is the job?

>>53688800
I'm in a very similar state OP. 30, not really any "real" friends. No job, dwindling funds at this point so at least you're ahead of me in that regard.

>>53689385
This is also kind of my issue: I had lots of "friends" when I was younger because I enjoyed partying, but now that I'm 30 the only time we get together is when we're gonna get blasted and to be honest that has lost a lot of luster to me. I like doing other shit. I rock climb at the gym which can be social but it doesn't feel like I'm making connections with anyone there, you know? I always feel like everyone else is so much better at conversation. When I'm drunk things just flow so much better, trying to be a social person without "getting drunk" being the sole reason to go out is extremely tough.

I am 28 years old and I never even kissed a girl

>>53693239
you will never believe me, but you you're not missing anything. Sex is overrated because of the shit you have to deal with engaging with women. And you can't fuck them how you want to, sometimes they don't let you do what you want or don't know how to get you off. Jerking off honestly feels better and being a virgin only sucks because people think they have a 1up on you.

>>53693439
It's not even about the sex part, I'd just go to a prostitute if I wanted that. I guess it would feel nice to know how it is to be wanted by someone, what's actual intimacy with another person like etc.
I'm not depressed though or anything like that, life goes on it is what it is

>>53693239
Why do NPCs care about this?

>>53693504
Ok I see. I wonder if true love even exists?

>>53689559
Look into purchasing and project management

>>53693239
You should try a girl(male). They're less picky, and still have two holes to put your weiner in.

>>53688871
I want to do this, but I need to have a sui stack at least before taking the plunge into some clunge..

OP here, I will resume this thread when i finish in about 6 hours or so

>>53688841

>bros I do nothing all day
>"just do nothing while chanting AUUUUMMMM"

>>53688800
what job could a 30 year old neet find that allows them to save $100k in a year while working from home?

>>53688841
this shit gay as fuck
>>53688800
just go on good looking loser and follow their approach anxiety program until you get laid. stop being such a fucking loser holy fuck

>>53693239
Same brother

The internet and (((money))) makes it incredibly easy to connect with like minded people around the world of similar backgrounds and interest anon. Again, do you really want friends? There are a lot of apps for that, Tinder, Discord, Facebook, Instagram, even Tiktok has some discussions in the comment section.

>>53688800
Nah dude just help a charity or a church and will meet people there, help tigers or w/e
U don't have to invest much

go tothe gym faggot.

then when you are in shape run in the park or something.

>>53688800
I'm 26 and pretty much same. Have no friends. I got lonely and spent like over $100 on dating apps this past week and it got me nowhere

>>53688800
Learn to play poker so you can practice socializing at poker tables. At low stakes its never too serious and socializing is easy. Start going to gym 3x a week dont fall for the personal trainer meme just go.

>>53688800
30 here, mid 7 figures.
Thought tthe same but outside world is cruel if you aren’t the right race/face.
I have good physique 14% body fat but those two factors always fuck me up.
So even after reaching well above my goal amount, it never really began for me.

>>53688800
try audiobooks anon, you can play them from your pocket while you walk around, it helps.

>>53700884
I am financially struggling but very good at being a friend and helping people overcome social difficulties if you want to link up. You help me I help you? Heh

>>53689535
You got me

>>53688931
You didn't realize shit, being depressed is always some form of delusion. Start playing an instrument and join a band, or go do some voluntary job, or sign up for a class, or go to a jiujitsu class, just for the sake of meeting people and exposing yourself.

>entire thread feels like I typed out everything myself, virtually 99% of this thread applies to me directly in an eerily similar way, like someone was writing a script about my life

The sad part is that this isn't a coincidence. There are likely millions and millions of young men in our exact circumstance; 0 relationships of any kind, 0 expectations for our lives, and 0 people even pay attention and miss us if we were gone.

I got pretty lucky with crypto during 2017-18 and cashed out a portion of my stack to buy a house. Since I have absolutely nobody in my life besides my divorced parents who live 1000 miles in opposite directions from me, I decided on trying out the fresh start: move to a totally new state, changed my phone number, got a new email, and basically started my life over. That was almost 6 years ago. And to this day, the only person that's ever seen my name and face together at the same time is the DMV lady who issued me my ID. Do you guys know what it's like to be invisible? To be known and recognized by absolutely nobody? Watchuknowboutdat? Prolly tons. The only people in my life are you dicks, and you bitches are just a bunch of anonymous guys on the internet. And we're not even actually friends. I've been talking to a wall for 10 years, and that's the only human contact I have.

Here's the secret: friendships/relationships happen organically or they don't happen at all. All these retards on 4chan talking about "just join a heckin club/hobby group/go to church"; they've either never done it themselves or they are lying. It's painfully obvious when someone joins those groups and they're just desperate for human contact of any kind. The desperation is palpable in someone like that. You can literally feel their "aura" of loneliness as they search for what they think relationships are like. Everyone knows why you joined a DnD group and you clumsily try and hit on the ugliest girl there because you think you're looks matched. It's not happening bro.

>>53703028
Brutal

read reality transurfing

>>53688800
1) You are already wealthier than most people
2) What would you do if you had more money that you can't do now?
3) You are depressed
4) Get help
5) Start lifting
6) Do a martial art (like BJJ)
7) Go outside
8) Get a roastie and have sex

>>53688800
What's the point in making it if you have no social skills.

Social skills can be learnt, get out of your comfort zone, join a club.

Stop being so self obsessed that you think anyone gives a fuck if you are socially awkward or come across like a retard at first, literally nobody gives a fuck.

Get over your own ego and get yourself out there.

Also go to the gym you lazy fuck. You don't even want to help yourself you're so comfortable.

>>53702923
>just for the sake of meeting people and exposing yourself.
If you have no social skills and aren't good at learning no amount of exposure helps with anything.

>>53703189
>Social skills can be learnt
No they fucking can't. Everything you can or can't do is up to your genetics and there are tons of people who are just mentally predisposed to not being able to be socially skilled otherwise there wouldn't be such a thing as bad social skills at all.

>>53688800

We can't help you anon, you can only help yourself.

>>53688800
hi skimmed through the thread but didnt see it mentioned, can you please tell me how as a NEET you landed a well paid job WFH? is it IT job? what you wrote in >>53688950 is very true and I need to get out for my sanity's sake

regarding your questions, find a hobby/hobbies where you meet likeminded people, that should be the easiest way

>>53688800a
What are your thoughts on the Antichrist?

>>53703250
low iq understanding of genetics/epigenetics. it is true that people are genetically inclined towards things, but if you think about it for one second you'd see why what you're saying is stupid.

if i am genetically inclined to be good at playing the violin but never pick it up once in my life, i will not be good at playing the violin. if i am genetically inclined to be bad at playing the violin and practice for 20 years, i won't be world class but i will be pretty good at playing the violin, good enough to fool anyone who isn't a professional

>>53688800
become a single father through surrogacy, get roastie gf who cooks and likes kids, then if you ever split you wont have to pay child support/she can never tell you how to raise your kid