/biz/ - Business & Finance

Don't care. The zionsts treat their goyim labor like shit. They have a right to stop selling their labor.

>left hand of the illuminati has a fake stand off with the right hand
>we eat it up
It's all so tiresome

>>56105864
good fuck the corpos about time they paid up instead of hoarding all the profits for executive excess spending and travel

mass disruption of supply & logistical chains is bullish

>>56105864
Let's see how fast Biden shuts down this strike just like the railroad workers last year.
Remember: manual labor is not real work, but OnlyFans and Rule 34 fanart commissions both are.

>>56105864
BYD was waiting for this

>>56105864
Most UAW jobs require less than a week of training. Automakers should just end it with the UAW. The Big 3 will not be able to compete with Tesla and foreign automakers if they give in to these demands.

>>56105966
>illuminati
We're on 4chan, you can name the jew anon

>>56105864
*redefines the word recession in your path*

We’ve been in a recession. Just because they changed the definition doesn’t change that.

The pay raises the UAW want is reasonable enough, especially with how inflation has been, and the profits the automakers have had over the last several years.

Now the whole 32 week for 40 hour pay thing is just retarded, and would massively mess up scheduling at the plants.

The defined compensation pensions is another stickler; frankly I think they are dumb in general concept, as companies can't really predict how future investments and business will go over the decades long planning you need for pensions; those pensions can easily end up being a giant anchor around a company's neck. Asking for higher defined contributions to 401k plans would be a lot more reasonable.

in 2023 people look late 1800's as insane times when typical work week was 12 hours 6 days a week

in 2050 when people will work max 1-2 hours a day on average, people look at 2020 people were insane with their 40h work weeks.

and so on

in fact in norway and netherlands people work 4 days on average anymore. im more developed countries 40h work week is seen as medieval torture

>>56105938
>The zionsts treat their goyim labor like shit.
Because they deserve to be treated like shit

>>56105864
This is to prevent car prices from dropping further.

>>56105938
this

>>56105864
Why would this lead to a recession?
I dont follow your logic.

>>56106285
J- j- j- je- ... >< j-je JE-RRY Seinfeld. There, I said it! So liberating :)

>>56105864
Didn't they already go on strike a few years ago and no one gave a shit?

>>56105864
Nothingburger

>>56106619
>in 2050 when people will work max 1-2 hours a day on average, people look at 2020 people were insane with their 40h work weeks.
That implies we'll be able to maintain the infrastructure and supply chains for automation to pick up the slack. At the rate we're going we'll still have a lot of people working <40 hours a week but it'll be because the only job they could get was part-time.

>>56105864

Those stupid bastards barely deserve one of those, let alone all of them. You don't deserve $30+ an hour to turn screws unless you run your own business

>>56107235

who might be behind this post

Why would anyone buy an american car?

>Ford
Rattles apart within 30k miles

>Chebby
Literally just an accounting scam

>Jeep
Italian garbage disguised as American garbage

>Ram
I seriously hope you don't buy Stellantis shit

>>56105864
Let them strike all they want. Toyota and Honda are better.

>>56106569
32 hours a week is reasonable considering the type of work
the pensions is not, maybe its not a real negotiation point and its just there as a sacrificial point.
i work in a car factory. rest is really a necessity for this type of work.

strike what?

What the hell happened to just a "basic" truck or car?. Hell I remember my first truck. The only "comfort" features were A/C and the Stereo/CD player. Power locks? Nope, they were manual. Power mirrors and windows? Nope again. Manual. No cruise control. The only safety features were dual front airbags and seat belts. Drove it for 10 years and I was happy the whole time with it.

>>56105864
I dont think people quite realize how many middle class jobs are going to be affected by this. That plus student loan repayments starting up, almost as if by design...

>>56107780
150k people striking, plus all of the suppliers. You are talking hundreds of thousands of middle class jobs no longer producing...

>>56108109
How are they supposed to sell that for $50k?

>>56108157
>That plus student loan repayments starting up,
No they aren't.

>>56106313
the definition wasnt changed, corporations made a ton of money. it still doesnt take away that everything is fucked for the average person

>>56105864
I don’t give a remote fuck, all three of those companies should have been kneecapped back in 2008. I think some of the UAW’s demands is retarded, like like the whole 32 hour week thing, but frankly for the absolute garbage pits the big three have been to everything automotive for years on end now I’m all for them. Its nice to see some other wageslaves in this obese meme zone still have some balls too.

I feel really stupid for studying engineering, I busted my ass studying thinking that I was working for a well-paid career, and now everyone in the country is entitled to $30 an hour. And they aren't even burdened with the student loans like me. I'm about to just quit and be a burger flipper, way less stress for roughly equivalent pay. Fuck it they can just bring in millions of chinese to be the engineering class, honestly don't care anymore.

>>56105864
American car companies are complete trash.

American car companies suck, let them go under.

>>56105864

2 more weekerinos

>>56108157
>>56108172
Is there a possibility that this strike gets even bigger? I think a lot of people are pissed off.

>>56105966
Damn I can be in the illuminati by working at a factory? Dope

>>56107299
Came here to post this.

>>56105864
Ford and GM should just move all their operations to Mexico .

>truckers strike due to forced vaccine
>who cares lol

>auto workers strike
>who cares lol

>netflix writers strike
>WE NEED TO HELP THEM!

is there anything more pathetic than the modern day "leftist"?

>>56109061
Hello Jim Cramer. Asshole

>>56108741
>>56108741
>>56108741

>>56109061
They largely have already. But it's not going well. Trying to get a manufacturing class in Mexico will take another 40 or 50 years.

>>56107861
WRONG
320,000 miles, F150

Now go getchur fuckin shine box.

>>56105864
That's just a negotiating strategy to make a 15% pay rise seem reasonable. I hope they succeed in getting their 32 hour week and that spreads to the rest of the business world.

>>56105864
>You realize we are about to go into a recession for reealsy this time if they strike

I ADVOCATE FOR AN AUTO WORKERS STRIKE!

>>56108109
Nah they need to sell you an overmanufactured shitbox with a globohomo surveillance computer in it.

>>56108109
Part of the reason those no frills cars went away is that most people were choosing higher trim levels, and with economies of scale kicking in adding those extra power features only added a small amount to the manufacturing costs. So it ended up being cheaper for manufacturers to streamline their inventory and just make that stuff standard.

Another reason is that used cars got a lot better; why by a cheap new shit box when you can get a pretty nice 3 year old car that has just come off a lease for about the same price?

>>56105864
off to mexico we go!

>>56107235
disgusting dysgenic kike fuck off.

>>56106619
> im more developed countries 40h work week is seen as medieval torture

yeah in backwards museums like Europe with no economic growth over a decade, 50%+ taxes and a population who makes like 40k/yr with a EUR on parity with the USD

Europeans don't deserve to use the internet.

>>56105864
Maybe Government Motors should have saved the money they used to invest in the nkla ponzi scheme to give to their workers

>>56108109
well you see, a certain president named Barack Obama permanently destroyed the used car market with Cash for Clunkers, and the rest is history!

Thanks Obama!

>>56109310
>hope they succeed in getting their 32 hour week and that spreads to the rest of the business world.
Manufacturing literally cannot work like that.

>>56108042
Back to the assembly line wagie. You’re doing something brain dead that sub 80 IQs can do. Us 140+ individuals are familiar with supply and demand.

>>56105864
On average they get like 56k a year so a bump to 80kish isn't too bad. The 4 day week is delusional.

>>56108450
You’ve never interacted with chinks obviously. Devious bastards the lot of them

>>56108042
32 hour work week is delusional. Ford Stellantis and GM aren't worth a 36% raise they're all coke head losers that already make too much for doing low iq work

>>56109977
Double dubs speaks the truth how do we profit off the UAW cucks buying fentanyl laced coke and dying off?

>>56105864
I think everything but the pay raise is just there to argue with and trade in order to make sure the pay raise happens. Give 'em a 50% raise and tell them to pound sand on the other two and move on down the road. Maybe throw in a few more sick days or something to balance it out.

>>56105864
>32 hours work week
The only way you can get me to work. Fuck the 40 hours work week. Also fuck Fox News for being millionaire cock suckers.

>>56110081
Three on three off with 12hr shifts isn't bad and that's only 36 hours. That could be an alternative.

>>56110068
They don't deserve a 50% raise they'd lose billions in profit for already overpaid coke head losers just automate more and hire Mexicans

>>56110096
>just automate more and hire Mexicans
They would have done that already if they could. They can't.

>>56105864
Kek and UPS are getting like 170k and fast food wagies are getting over $20 an hour too.

I feel like all of these pay raises are seriously going to fuck everyone over in the long term.

>>56105864
just hire more immigrants. what else could go wrong?

>>56105864
Wow, things are finally starting to go back to normal in the automotive world and used car prices were declining, and all of a sudden the UAW has to strike. Hold onto your shitboxes bros, they might be worth more in the coming months. Get ready for auto values to inflate again

>>56110101
Ford is doing this as rapidly as they can. My Maverick's engine was made in Chihuahua, Mexico and it was assembled and shipped from Hermosillo, Mexico. As we speak, product development and engineering work is being shifted to their new 9,000-employee business center in Naucalpan de Juarez, Mexico. Tons of white collar jobs have already moved to their 11,000-employee business center in Chennai, India and they're frantically trying to move more work there now. They can do it and they are doing it.

>>56110096
I didn’t realize GM execs shilled on /biz/

>>56109653
>Europeans don't deserve to use the internet.
Europeans invented the internet, stupid.

>>56110267
God I wish I was born in America
t. Aussie.
I'm a lawyer, work 65 hours a week, and make the equivalent of like 60k USD.

>>56105864
>>56105987
2 more weeks

>>56111649
OOF you're getting gutted. Lawyers make 135k avg here

>>56110267
Fast food workers aren't getting $20 but it's probably getting close.
I've been hiring people who are probably on the verge of being mentally retarded for $18/hr.
I don't think anyone who is worth their weight in salt will for work for less than $20/hr unless they are using that job for some synergistic or ulterior motive or it's really convenient for them like they can walk to it in 5 minutes.
There is this really weird bell curve of labor/compensation where on the left end all the jobs that pay really low don't make you do anything and on the right end all the jobs that pay really high don't make you do anything and everyone else is in that $50-80k middle ground fighting for their life.

>>56108109
thats silly cause people would actually buy that with cash and not take out a loan. cars are now subscription based things, its not worth for the jews to sell if there is no loan with interest.

>>56111649
AHHAHAAHHHHHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH DUDE JUST FUCKING MOVE TO US LOL DUMBFUCK

>>56113227
Can't. Can't get a greencard. Even if I sit the bar exam in say, NY, Idk where to look for a job

>>56107861
I got tired of my last ford at 305k, my current one is as 230k. No problemo.

>>56107235

>>56105938
seething made union zoinist

I am going to buy a new car soon, does this mean I should wait or do it now?

>>56107612
Hyperbole is the greatest thing!

>>56105864
>>56108157
>>56108172
>You realize we are about to go into a recession for reealsy this time if they strike
I don't understand how anyone living outside of metro Detroit thinks that the Detroit Three (no longer the Big Three, remember) have such a massive effect on the economy. Doesn't Chrysler make two models of cars? Didn't Ford move assembly to Mexico? Genuinely asking, and I'm probably wrong, but acting like the central nexus of the American economy is in the state known for their inability to repair roads or have first world tier electric utility (DTE) is like pretending a nation of people struggling with plumbing would make good IT staff.
>t. Michigan expat

>>56113409
The big 3 have plants all over the US and elsewhere. The 150k workers in the US all have 30/hour jobs. That doesnt even look at all of the suppliers that make parts for these plants. If all 3 eventually are completely stalled that is looking at hundreds of thousands of workers making decent money suddenly no longer spending money and buying stuff, basic necessities will be the main focus if this strike lasts any length of time. So at a time when millions of people have to start repaying student loans, another sector of the economy that i want to guess does not have such loans will also stop spending money. Double whammy for "solidarity".

As an aside i theorize this is all to force austerity and fundamentally change the US economy and mindset.

>>56106619
>small populated homogeneous european countries only work 4 days a week
Hmm I wonder why they can do that where we can't.

>>56110377

imagine buying a truck you already know is made by jeets and mexicans

>>56106087
Why wouldn't Tesla workers unioinize?

>>56113250
just come to America and claim refugee status, pertend you're turkish or something and can't speak good english... then... i dunno magically become a lawyer

>>56105864
They realistically should expect the exact opposite of their demands the way this country is headed.

>>56116775
Have to ask to even get a chance at getting it.

>>56116775
The problem is autos used to be the bedrock of the US middle class, that isnt the case anymore and this may very well lead to the recession/depression they have been talking about for years now.

>>56105864
The auto industry is 3% of the GDP. This is simply negative for auto workers. Tech is still great because they outsource to Asia where they can't go on strike lmao.

>>56117859
>Auto workers are broke and can't afford shit
>Go on strike
>Are still broke and can't afford shit
>Supply of new cars go down, demand stays the same
>New cars increase in price to account for increase in supply/demand ratio
>Broke people stay broke, nothing else changes
Seems like a big nothing burger.

i drive a car

>>56105864
You realize giving them what they want won't and isn't the reason for this recession.

>>56107861
I have four Fords.
One Escape has 248k miles
The other Escape has 115k.
The Fiesta has 101k.
The Fusion has 181k.
They're fucking fine, but go ahead and keep paying the Toyota tax.

>>56109942
>You’re doing something brain dead that sub 80 IQs can do.
They really can't. If you worked a line you'd see that.

>>56117887
>Seems like a big nothing burger.
You're forgetting all those people who are now unemployed and will go on welfare. It won't just be the car manufacturer that gets hit but all the companies that supply the car manufacturer with parts, work tools etc.

>>56118528
Yea, potentially hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs at risk. What will happen when those who werent previously living paycheck to paycheck suddenly stop consuming?

>>56106087
this strike is designed to speed up automation in factories just like the railroad strike was designed to spur automation in transportation

>>56110476
Americans literally invented it though. Unless you're talking about that French thing that got dropped.

>>56105938
This.

>>56107235

>>56110476
>he doesn’t know about ARPANET
Europoor education

>>56105864
if you think the jews running the show arent making them strike on purpose youre an NPC

If these fucks get their demands they will be making very close to what a lot of the engineering staff that's US based is. In some cases more than the contractors. This is fucking clown world shit and hyperinflation is about to start.

>>56105938
Fpbp

>>56107780
>"official talking head: "nothing to see here. move along"

>>56107235
At first I would think this post is a faggot, but working in a factory own by a fat italian with a dying legacy in vitamins, with horrible working conditions where it would be the Jungle 2, The Jungaloo. The fucking illegals revolted and strike, only to fucking comeback and get their hours reduced and still work in 110 degree conditions with no A/C or water. I lost faith, cause these fucking mentality will just fucking breed and pass on to the next generation.

>>56107235

>>56108109
>what happened to basic cell phones?

>>56109892
Of course it can!
32 hours at a time.

>>56111649
Have you considered going on a strike?

>>56107235
>god’s chosen
>the “god”

>>56107235
I>
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>>56120579
You can still buy basic cell phones, they are not hard to find. No frills cars are much rarer; even for the few that are still sold, dealers don't like having them on the lots.

>>56120676
now be honest with yourself,
do you desire and/or own one of these basic cell phones?
>inb4 /g/ "let me guess you need more" larp

>>56120579
>>what happened to basic cell phones?
They’re like $20 at walmart. Used to use one of the cheap ass $70 smartphones for awhile.

unions are pointless in a globalized economy where shipping your entire inventory by sea is cheaper than a $1 raise

prior to container ships strikes had meaning because you really had little alternative but to deal with the workers at hand

now you can move an entire assembly line to a different country and suffer ZERO repercussions

this isn't sustainable

>>56120716
No, I use a mid range smart phone (posting from it now, lol). I did get one of those super cheap basic phones for my ten year old son, so that when he is biking over to friends or what not he can call me of something comes up; don't want him having a smart phone yet since he would just spend all day watching youtube videos.

>>56108109
They don’t sell because people tend to live outside of their means. Car mfg’s exploit this human flaw and package all their unneeded shit and jack up the price. Goyim have no grasp on their actual wants and needs and these corpos exploit that

>>56109892
Sure, you just need more people to fill in the same work, or automate more oh wait..

>>56105864

uhhhh. the US Govt has bailed out the entire auto industry like .. twice so far this century. Remember cash for clunkers? that absolutely raped the US taxpayer.

The shareholders will be bailed out again.