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56213404 No.56213404 [Reply] [Original]

OIL? OIL.

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>> No.56213416

>he baked

>> No.56213425

Close at the lows.

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>>56213404
OIL BROS
OH GOD
IM GONNA.. IM GONNA
OOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLL

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We are going to have to implement a baking confirmation number and run it on the new /smg/ We need to fix this shit.

>> No.56213437

If you don’t buy GameStop you’ll end up a slave simple as

>> No.56213438

>>56213404
Shill me a stock to buy niggers. I have a few thousand cash in my account. Already heavily invested in oil

>> No.56213439
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>>56213404

Slow and steady wins the race.

>Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

>Financial TV Streams:
https://watchnewslive.tv/watch-cnbc-live-stream-free-24-7/
http://www.livenewson.com/american/bloomberg-television-business.html
https://watchnewslive.tv/watch-fox-business-network-fbn-free-24-7/

>Charts:
https://www.tradingview.com
https://www.finscreener.com
https://www.koyfin.com/
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com

>Screeners:
https://finviz.com/
https://www.tradingview.com/screener
https://etfdb.com/

>Options
https://www.optionsplaybook.com/options-introduction/
https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com
https://optionstrat.com/
https://www.optionistics.com/quotes/option-prices

>Pre-Market and Live data:
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
https://finance.yahoo.com/

>Calendars
https://www.marketwatch.com/economy-politics/calendar
https://www.earningswhispers.com/calendar
https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to-fomc.html

>Boomer Investing 101:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

>Misc:
https://tradingeconomics.com/
https://finance.yahoo.com/trending-tickers
https://market24hclock.com/
https://wallmine.com/
https://fintel.io/
https://www.dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator
https://brokerchooser.com/
https://www.chathamfinancial.com/technology/us-market-rates

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>le pétrole

>> No.56213442

VIST is up another 10% today. New all time highs.
Fast growing, cheap, leveraged companies win long term.

Don't get suckered into buying boomer shit.

>> No.56213448

>he bought

>> No.56213452

>>56213438
LMT is on a massive sale right now, it's going to jump to 500 soon

>> No.56213456

Front run on energy over
El Niño narrative starts now
Mild to hot winter in the northern hemisphere
Get ready for climate chang cultists to blame anthropological climate changs

>> No.56213458
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What is it about September that makes markets shit themselves every year?

>> No.56213459

we will finish up 1% today

>> No.56213460
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SORRY BOBOS

>> No.56213461

>>56213438
GameStop everything else is a fake naked shorted share they’re not real unless you DRS and BOOK KING them

>> No.56213464

>>56213439
>Slow and steady wins the race.
Wrong.

>> No.56213467
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOooooooooooooOOoooooooOooooooooOoooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooOooooooooooOoOo

>> No.56213473

how far can this nigga go? no pullbacks

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forgot pic>>56213473

>> No.56213494
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56213494

IT GOES ON AND ON
YOU'LL BE LIKE MY FAVORITE SONG
LET THE BEAT GO ALL NIGHT LONG
'TIL THE EARLY MORN'
https://youtu.be/7793-waRfe4

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>>56213404
If I KNOW I won’t sell my position over the next 3 months, is their anyway I can get fucked by selling covered puts?

>> No.56213504

>>56213473
>>56213484
>11 straight weekly green candles
Lol surely the top is in...

>> No.56213510

bond computer is still rising

>> No.56213515

>>56213435
The real bakers are all on strike because of poor wages and working conditions. Until bakers are given proper respect and paid a living wage, expect more threads to be made without your shill links, and without any effort.

NO PAY
NO FREE SHILL LINK CLICKS
NO PAY
NO FREE SHILL LINK CLICKS

>> No.56213519

>>56213452
o shit anon, you're probably right. I can't make a habit of picking quarters up off the street though, how do I become a better trader

>> No.56213528

bulltrap is complete check your bags

>> No.56213530

>>56213519
Look at charts, make predictions, check predictions, make new predictions, continue, revise, etc.

>> No.56213533

>>56213458
It is generally believed that investors return from summer vacation in September ready to lock in gains as well as tax losses before the end of the year. There is also a belief that individual investors liquidate stocks going into September to offset schooling costs for children.

>> No.56213538

>>56213519
>how do I become a better trader
attend cocktail parties with people who work in r&d at biotech companies

>> No.56213541
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Bears won Putin won chuds won /pol/ won

>> No.56213543

>>56213435
fr

>> No.56213545

>>56213439
nah man, it's to know when to buy and when to sell
grip a -%50 stock just cause you go slow and stady is retarded

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56213554

where my bears at?

>> No.56213555

>>56213541
She's right the brits have to go.

>> No.56213559

McConnell said he would stop the government shutdown.

>> No.56213560

Fake and gay pump

>> No.56213570

>tfw could’ve just done a 6x on META calls

FUCK MY LIFE

>> No.56213572

I love Tony Dwyer

>> No.56213573

>>56213541
Not good enough. We want them dead

>> No.56213574

>>56213559
>coming from the guy who's been going through his own shutdown/reboot cycles.
lmao

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>>56211524
>>56211537 (me)
>>56211547
>>56211565 (me)
>>56211581
&
>>56211716
picrelated :^)

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>>56213554
We're here, been here months will be here a couple more at least. Lots of room to play

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REMINDER

>> No.56213604

WTFWT

>> No.56213614

>>56213580
Of course you're a bull.

>> No.56213616

>>56213605
sukkot deez nutz

>> No.56213623

There are way too many /smg/s in my thread watcher
Inflation is out of control
Jerome fix this now

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OUTTA MY WAY BOBO FUCKING SHITS

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YEAH I'M THINKING WE'RE BACK

>> No.56213632

>>56213605
Can any of my fellow Jews send me a calendar of all our holidays? I know them of course but it’s for education of my local goyim. I seem to have misplaced mine…

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We're saved.

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>>56213580

>> No.56213641

These obvious glownigger market interventions are going to make the crash even worse. Stop trying to distort the markets you fucking retards.

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56213647

We know the fix is in, the market, like a video game, is “solved.” But what mechanics causes SOXL and SOXS to switch places at 4% for the delay in the power hour?

>> No.56213649

Bull trap desu

>> No.56213652
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56213652

Everything is ok again, the world isn't ending

>> No.56213653

>>56213641
fr. when everything bounces on the same vol pattern its too obv

>> No.56213655

>>56213641
The economy is booming and the data was all better than expected we will go to new ath by eoy

>> No.56213658

we hold over 427.70 and I will have to do some work tonight. Please fall back down I have shit to do.

>> No.56213660

>>56213594
So what’s bottom?
Also to the day when will 20 year bonds hit their peak this cycle?

>> No.56213669

>>56213641
What intervention?

>> No.56213670

>>56213605
I want some succotash now

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>>56213545
It's like putting your money on John Rocker to run your marathon when you could have Eliud Kipchoge.
Maybe if you're incredibly lucky Rocker gets across the finish line without passing out, but there's no world where he wins. Too much fat.

Compounding at a higher rate will outperform compounding at a slower rate. Simple math. Valuation matters.

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sell tech buy energy and commodities

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>>56213647
I hate your picture so fucking much.

>> No.56213683

>>56213652
>the world isn't ending
basically this.
despite rising yields, of course.

>> No.56213687

>>56213632
>>56213605
i dont speak african sorry jamal

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>>56213655
yum

>> No.56213696

>>56213635
FUCK OFF

>> No.56213701

>>56213641
Haven’t you learned anything? These kikes squeeze every penny out of the system they can until it crashes.
They don’t care.

>> No.56213709
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Is this pump because the gdp will come out favorable tomorrow? Everyone I know got fired laid off month, so I’m assuming jobless will be on target

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I fucking knew when I heard my retard neighbor talking loudly on the street about crypto and using terms like dyor and wagmi and we're still early, that that was the top. This was in July. It was so obvious. Think I posted that on /smg/ at the time.

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>>56213572
me too

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>> No.56213720
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This pump was unexpected but we're gonna extra liquidity later this week. I'm sure you all understand.

>> No.56213723

>>56213677
Commodities, yes. Energy… it depends.

>> No.56213727

>>56213709
> Everyone I know got fired laid off month
I just wish I could know what is shitposting and what is real.

>> No.56213733

>>56213719
American badass taker was the worst taker

>> No.56213740
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Been a while since i bought so hard on options, i forgot how thrilling it makes your daily movements

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>>56213720

>> No.56213745
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bought a bunch of REITs today what are you buying frens?

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>>56213464
>>56213545
>>56213674
Never selling.

>> No.56213748

It's selling off.

>> No.56213756

>>56213680
Yours is better, I’m keeping it.

>> No.56213759

>>56213745
TMF. Immediately regret my decision.

>> No.56213766
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k for best bull chance to start some kind of rally you want qqq to close above 355, spy to close above 427. Closing below those is a bit iffy and more crab than bully optimism.

>> No.56213769

>>56213745
… are you stupid?

>> No.56213770

>>56213745
>Buying the absolute top
Based long term investor.

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RTX is a piece of shit

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>>56213745
3x bull etfs, same as always

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>>56213766
And the Russell?

>> No.56213788

>>56213780
Who cares about the russell?

>> No.56213794

>>56213744
Understandable. You can do what you want with your investments.
But you're also wrong. Slow and steady loses in the race to compound exponentially.

Not sure what point you think you're making posting repeated screenshots of the ticker.

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>>56213773
Our time will come again!

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>>56213780
I don't know anything about the russells

>> No.56213801

>>56213605
>>56213632
Has anyone done a firm analysis or trades/price movements in the days immediately before and on Jewish holidays? Should be easy enough to assess, no?

>> No.56213805

>>56213788
More than anything
>>56213499

>> No.56213808

>>56213545
>grip a -%50 stock
Why would you buy a stock that goes down? You're only supposed to buy ones that go up, otherwise you lose money.

>> No.56213814

>>56213745
Bought $40,000 of CM yesterday (am a leaf faggot) and expected a dip today, being the divvie ex-date, but not a 4% crash. Feeling nervous desu, was absolutely not worth the dividend capture so far, was expecting maybe a $1 drop at most, not $3.

>> No.56213817

>>56213797
Russell is main street. Main streer sees more bankruptcy and closing of business than during 2008/9

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I bought 100 TMF stock market computers
this is the top if my trading history is anything to go by

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>>56213794
>Slow and steady loses in the race to compound exponentially.
I don't just flush my dividends down the toilet.

>> No.56213837

>>56213499
I wouldn't do that. In fact I might be willing to buy your puts.

>> No.56213850

>>56213808
you buy, the company "invest" to go long, then the stock goes down 50% what do you do

>> No.56213851

>>56213745
If you like buying losers, utilities look good.

>> No.56213856

>>56213827
why didn't you buy some TLT laptops instead?

>> No.56213857

>>56213850
I wouldn't buy stock in a company that's going to go down 50%, that's a really bad idea.

>> No.56213859

>using euros to buy dollars
>then using those dollars to buy euros

anons, which broker allows me to do this?

>> No.56213861

>>56213814
Div and PE look good but housing man. Bold play. My buddies mortgage just jumped from 2k to 4K a month. 7k with daycare. Him and the wife make 250 and they say they are just scraping by.
Throw on top the 100000 car defaults and you’ve definitely made a bold move. It will definitely pay off long term though, just might take half a decade.

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flipped back to og algo imo. Prints, wicks and volume all diff. We finnin to return to burn ?

>> No.56213871

I just COOMED. WE'RE SOO BACK BROS

>> No.56213874

>>56213828
If you need income, you can sell some stock.

>> No.56213878

>>56213837
As long as I was going to hold anyways I can’t get fucked by the puts right?

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>>56213796
impressive, very nice

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>>56213856
good question
a story for a other time though

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>>56213856
Because he wants to lose his money three times as fast.

>> No.56213893

>>56213861
>>56213814
American RE is questionable but Canadian is just a bad idea in every way, they don't even have the 30 year mortgage thing, only destruction.

>> No.56213894
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I got no fuckin idea what's going on today.

>> No.56213902

>>56213878
You might be holding that one for a while.

>> No.56213906

>>56213814
banks are getting hit hard with FUD kind of scary when steve eismann shits on the whole sector
https://youtu.be/foiba_XeIbQ?si=N7p2N92uSO7MdAsk

>>56213851

I'm thinking about buying D. They getting called loser but I like the combination of nuclear plants and green energy for some schizo reason

>> No.56213907

>>56213894
Rosh Hashanah positioning for september dump eom

>> No.56213908

>>56213894
I want to fuck her so bad ,unironically

>> No.56213912

>>56213894
bulltrap

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You *are* buying the META smart glasses, right?

>> No.56213920

>>56213856
>laptops
I knew people would copy my meme

>> No.56213922
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>>56213894
bottom acheived, we bulls now, try to keep up

>> No.56213924

>>56213917
No but i'd sell a few pair.

>> No.56213925

>>56213917
Will they deep fake every woman I look at to be naked?

>> No.56213929

we're so unbelievably back

>> No.56213936
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>>56213917
>literally strapping non-free software to your face

>> No.56213938

>>56213902
I’m pretty sure I’ll like the Jan 2025 price but yea, this April could be absolutely fucking disgusting.

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>>56213773
>>56213796
They're laughing at us now, but they'll be wishing that they were us when the markets start ripping again.

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Watch the volume before you commit, they burn the people with more money.

>> No.56213944

>>56213894
Today was the weekly EIA petroleum status report

>> No.56213945

>>56213605
im implementing this next year

>> No.56213949

There's going to be a flash dump at close.

>> No.56213953

>>56213917
I pity people not watching porn in VR so yeah I'll probably have to

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>>56213745
$8000 of CMR.TO

>> No.56213956

>>56213925
Now that'd be something.

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>>56213922
Oh shit?

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>>56213874
>If you need income, you can sell some stock.
See above. Never selling any of it.

>> No.56213962

>>56213953
I pity people who watch porn. Wonder how much of yourself you've given up to "feel good"

>> No.56213966

I have come to the realization that the market is failing to consider the repercussions on the big picture if these United Auto Terrorists don't go back to work on Sunday this week. This could kill the whole economy and ruin the country for generations to come. I'm not a bear, but what these terrorists are doing has a striking resemblance to the great chariot shortage of 240AD, but we all know it was the catastrophic climate change that ultimately lead to the fall of Rome. The chariot shortage was just a precursor to climate change. We really should learn from our history.

>> No.56213970

>>56213960
whose gonna tell him

sell signal

>> No.56213971

>>56213939
Shoul have solded end of july

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>>56213939
Fuck yea buddy. Fortune favours the bold.

>> No.56213981

>>56213966
Hopefully the market catches up to you gaydar

>> No.56213982

>>56213966
i hope for them that they dont go back.

>> No.56213984
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Lmao mumu you got chutzpah’d

>> No.56213985

>>56213962
I did nofap for a month and it did nothing but make me a complete perv

>> No.56213990

>>56213962
Factorio with hymns in the background feels better than porn, change my mind.

>> No.56213991

I can't believe we're about to turn red again

>> No.56213997

>>56213985
Yeah, I tried that and wasn't building civilization or anything, just fucking the grossest sluts out there.

>> No.56214002
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56214002

HOOKED

>> No.56214004
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>>56213985
It’s supposed to encourage you to be horny enough to want to talk to women faggot

>> No.56214003

>>56213985
that's nature kicking in to make you a parent you retard, that's normal
not acting on it is whats make you a perv

>> No.56214006

>>56213961
>Never
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings

>> No.56214013

>>56213956
>>56213925
You don't already have that software in your brain?

>> No.56214015

... called it
>>56213303

>> No.56214018

what a day

>> No.56214019
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56214019

WTF STOP

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>> No.56214021

>>56213971
>should have given away your tickets to a fortune
Nah. Instead I'm buying more.

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56214022

*breathes in*

>> No.56214024

>>56214004
I thought it was just an anti-semitic boycott on the Jews who run the pornography industry.

>> No.56214027

>>56213961
You do you, but there's no need to spread further financial illiteracy around here.

>> No.56214028

>>56213997
Kek
Day 74 of no fap
As I exited my vehicle to walk into work I caught scent of a female in heat 73.35 meters upwind. Because of the fog I couldn’t see her yet but judging by the scent she was mid twenties, and healthy. My ultra attunated hearing was able to pick up her gait, which put her at about 5’6”. My mind, free of the constraints of porn and indecent imagery, was able to calculate her weight based on the ripple in the testosterone continuum produced by her footsteps as she walked away from me.
Being that I was 10 minutes early for work, I made chase and followed her through the fog still without visual contact. I was like a pilot navigating the white abyss by instrument alone. I was trailing her about 130m behind when I sensed her phone vibrate in her purse through the pavement. Holding my ear to the ground I was able to faintly pick up on the conversation she was having with beta BF. Based on the annoyed tone in her voice I knew now was the time to strike.
I readied my legs and concentrated all of my Testo-chakras into my Vastus Medialus muscles as I assumed a sprinters starting stance. I exploded forward in a cataclysm of sex hormone fueled rage. Exactly 2.54 nanoseconds later I began to phase through time and space as I meshed with the testosterone continuum. As I phased through the helpless female target I nutted directly into both of her Fallopian tubes, destroying her previously unbroken hymen and causing her to orgasm INSTANTLY. As I began to slow down 33.6 light years later, I realized that while she would have wanted to thank me for giving her the gift of my superior seed that she was already dead and gone having raised my CHAD progeny to repopulate the earth.
As I float into the the celestial abyss of the greater Crab Nebula I am not filled with regret for having left my world, but rather happiness for having left it a better place.

>> No.56214031

>>56213893
it's not nearly as bad as you think, our housing supply is extremely low, we have tons of renters flooding into the market every day, the demand is absolutely there to justify these prices. Any homeowner forced to sell will be balanced out by a property manager buying the property in cash and renting it out the next month, and those are very solid loans compared to the average homeowner. Canadian housing isn't crashing, there is no bubble, all you will see are families losing their homes to property management firms, which sucks for them, but isn't going to harm the banks at all.

>> No.56214033

>>56213962
Bro, it ain't just that, as someone that used to be a porn enjoyer, a lot of porn nowadays is absolutely fucking abysmal in quality. Overly fake porn setting, fake moans, fake everything, No one is enjoying themselves, not the creator, not the viewer. It's gone to shit. That's why I just trade stocks and play games now. Much more at peace.

>> No.56214041

tons of trucking companies going bankrupt, the recession is now hitting full frontal, at 100$ oil everything changes.

>> No.56214043

I TOLD YOU!!! I TOLD YOU THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE BULLS GOT THAT EXUBERANCE!!!

>> No.56214044

>>56213991
not my investments teehee

>> No.56214047

>>56214004
Why would anyone want to talk to women

>> No.56214048

>>56213990
This anon gets it

>> No.56214052
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>bulls couldn’t even wait 8 days until the end of sukkot

>> No.56214055
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Just came back from my walk and wtf happened? Oil just keeps going up (100 for WTI is now all but guaranteed) which pretty much sets in stone a 25 bps hike. Also why the heck did the markets suddenly start pumping? Oversold territory and algos started buying?
META dip instantly slurped. Fuckin hell today's market is just complete schizo.
Also where are the gold shillers from this morning and yesterday? Gold has broken the trend and what people assumed would be a cup and handle has turned out to be complete bs. In an age of a strong dollar, gold is gonna suffer

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>>56214006
>Ozymandias
I'll never sell in my lifetime.
>>56214027
>Buy and hold is financially illiterate.
I make over $100/day, 365 days a year just from XOM dividends, and that is going up every year. Why should I sell?

>> No.56214059

Seriously though how stupid of an idea is it to hold like 5% of your wealth as gold? Tempted to grab a bit more given it's cheaper now..

>> No.56214064

>>56214031
Mass civil unrest will

>> No.56214065

>>56214031
>we have tons of renters flooding into the market every day
Doing what for money? Handing people the wrong drink at Tim Hortons?
People have to pay for housing sure, until they flat out don't have anymore money to pay. Then what do you do? There's no room in the Canadian economy for half a million new unskilled retards a year. No one is going to pay them which means they don't have money to pay you.

>> No.56214067

Best nofap stocks?

>> No.56214068

we are back bull bros

>> No.56214077

>>56214041
inshallah i will finally net even on uvxy

>> No.56214078
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>>56214052
Sukkot deez nutz lmaoo

>> No.56214082

>>56213649
kek I was right

>> No.56214085 [DELETED] 

>>56214065
*half a billion
Obviously.

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im not having fun anymore

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>>56214024
Didn’t think of that angle, I think onlyfans have wrecked a lot of the porn jews
>>56214047
So they’ll play with your penis

>> No.56214094

>>56214067
ge

>> No.56214097

>>56214031
I don't know. People have been shorting for decades and losing, and most of Canada is fine. But 8% on 2 million dollar homes, 160k a year interest, isn’t sustainable. And while Vancouver and Toronto aren’t most of Canada, they may be the 80/20% of total bank mortgages.

>> No.56214098

I didn't want to see you get HOOKED, and now you may be HOOKED.

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recession has just been confirmed its fucking happening.

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TLT fags utterly beheemed and beclowned

>> No.56214111

>>56213530
>>56213720
>>56213864
>>56213907
>>56213942
>>56211230
>>56211950
Been a good few threads. Lots of relevant info passed around. Some great moves with some good headsup beforehand. Some fudd. Couple of retarded niggers half-baking threads. Few out of control bobo/mumus

>> No.56214113

>>56214104
Please elaborate

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>> No.56214120

>>56214113
Ohh we've been acting it out for a year and some change now they're just gonna really call it that now.

>> No.56214138

Taking bets on the day finishing green vs red

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Buying more OSTK

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>>56214033
Respect. I’m getting their. In fact the whole internets turned to shit. Nothing is free anymore. Bric political and corporate shills are everywhere, combined with boomers and Indians.
I’m glad we got a good 30 year run but the dead internets coming.

>> No.56214142

>>56214138
0%

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>>56214117
Getting rejected at 426.1x if not before then.

>> No.56214149

>>56213554
Where my bears at
From the front to back
Well is you feelin' that
Well put one (bloody) paw up, can you repeat that
Tryin' to take my cash, see I don't need that
So don't play yourself

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56214150

Oh brave new world; I'm actually hoping this works.https://www.lex18.com/researchers-move-to-clinical-trials-for-drug-that-can-regrow-teeth

>> No.56214153

>>56214138
It looks real fucking yellow to me

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>>56214142

>> No.56214163

>>56214150
You enjoy meth?

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>>56214157

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>>56214138
Its a 2 down. Its red no matter if its green. Unless it reaches 29 and some change then it will be a 3bar

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>>56214150
Why don't teeth regrow, anyway. They did it once, why can't they do it more. I swear, the more you dive into how the body works, the more you find it's completely retarded and it's incredible it even works in the first place.

>> No.56214184

>>56214097
It is unsustainable for the average joe, not for property managers and landlords, I know these people personally and they have millions each to throw around, cash.
>>56214065
That's a straight up depression scenario in which case myself and probably 99% of Canadians are fucked regardless. Just hoping that isn't going to happen.

>> No.56214188

>>56214163
By the time you retire that will get you half a studio apartment in Lynchburg.

>> No.56214191

>>56214183
Look at junk dna, we are obviously created. The more you look.... the more you find.

>> No.56214194
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I am a complete failure.

>> No.56214196

>>56214184
>That's a straight up depression scenario
That's straight up what's happening on the ground today.
I've been to Canada, I can see what the Indians are doing. They're not building planes.

>> No.56214197
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56214197

Ding ding ding! How did it go today anon?

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>>56214057
>Why should I sell?
You don't have to sell if you don't want to, but in the time that you've been repasting essentially the same XOM screenshot that's traded relatively flat and paid out a 3-4% annual dividend, I've multiplied my portfolio value several times over and am now sitting in the high six figs myself. I don't post much about my portfolio anymore because I'd rather emphasize the logical process than try to assert some perceived authority through a big portfolio balance, but feel free to take a quick glance at my numbers if that's all you can understand.

Telling other people to go "slow and steady" and compound at a slower rate is objectively retarded. I'm sorry, but it's true.
Price is what you pay, value is what you get. If you want to grow your wealth, buy cheaply valued businesses exhibiting high capital returns or high internal/organic growth. Sell highly valued businesses if/when multiples expand or you find cheaper opportunities. Taxes create some small friction, but often times its worth realizing gains and paying taxes to continue compounding at a higher rate.

At the moment, you'll find the best returns in coal stocks, although I do still like oil.

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>>56214150
Bearish for implant crowns and bridges.

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56214208

thanks for playin

>> No.56214215

>>56214197
Right at the end I lost twice what I was already losing.

>> No.56214218

finally a good day

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WTF WAS THAT

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>>56214188

>> No.56214225

>>56214197
+2.09%

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>>56214197
I'll take it

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>>56214197
Stocks will keep going up at least until they start going down again. We will know for sure when they are going down because price changes will switch from an upward direction to a downward one. The main indicator that we can use to identify this switch is that we will start to see stock prices falling instead of rising. That will tell us when returns on stocks have begun changing from positive to negative. With negative returns, that means that stock values will be shrinking rather than growing. Thus, the prices at which stocks are bought and sold will be going down instead of going up.

>> No.56214229

The Dxy HAS to go down tomorrow, right?

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>>56214197
+.93%

>> No.56214236

>>56214197
i will never net even on uvxy the Lord has forsaken me

>> No.56214238

>>56214197
Not checking

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>>56214194
>>56214194

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>>56214226
Amen

>> No.56214242

>>56214196
Doesn't matter, they'll live 6 to a bedroom to pay rent with their Tim Hortons wages, their only alternative is homelessness or leaving the country.

>> No.56214248

>>56214201
You are a boggle head or active portfolio

>> No.56214256

>>56214242
>Doesn't matter, they'll live 6 to a bedroom to pay rent with their Tim Hortons wages
Tim Hortons in Bumburry Manitoba doesn't need 30 Indian employees.

>> No.56214258

>>56214201
You are right and I personally agree. But you are also wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_aversion

>> No.56214259

>>56214197
closed half my LEU position at just over 100% so i can ride the other half free
position opened just over 1 year ago

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>>56214197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXsAD9X9qv4

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>>56214197
Adequate. Holding short and did not take profit because of bearish/crabbish close.

>> No.56214268

>>56214197
+34.6%

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>>56214262

>> No.56214273

>>56214197
Reached a newer higher ATH then a bit down because of PYPL

>> No.56214278

>>56214256
I was the only one in the Starbucks drive through this morning, they had 8 women behind the counter. I don’t know how those places work.

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>>56214201
ITPM student detected

>> No.56214283

>>56214197
-1.98%
Now -6% on the month
I want to die

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>>56214197
Exactly +1.00%. Thanks oil.

>> No.56214297

>>56214256
It will, in order to serve the town's 3000 new Indian immigrants every year :D

As much as I hate it, this can go on forever.

>> No.56214301

>>56214222
>$500/month to hot a fuck baabhabhiat
wow

>> No.56214303

>>56214283
whats your port

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>>56214292
GRID GIRLS!

>> No.56214316

Is this Sukkot shit real or just a meme

>> No.56214317

>>56214256
My mom's cousin married one of Tim Horton's daughters. Does that make me Canadian Royalty?

>> No.56214321

>>56214297
Even if you assume they'll all find jobs by accepting 1/6th the wages a Canadian would and then stacking themselves 6:1 in the existing housing you're still getting paid the same *and* now the town you invested in is way shittier.
And that's assuming it doesn't get completely fucked as rates go up and the few jobs available to them disappear.

>> No.56214327

>>56214316
Sukkot what?

>> No.56214330

>>56214278
men created a structure & workflow, optimized it for resiliency, and the women follow the steps laid out for them. its how masculinity is holding shit together, its been capitalized in the form of management.

>> No.56214334

Seen some schoolgirl walking home this afternoon. Dunno if she was gifted by good genes or what but uh if it wasn't for the backpack you'd never know she was a schoolgirl. Her assets were nicely shaped. I'm not a sicko but hey a hot babe in front of you WTF are you supposed to do? You can't exactly not look.

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>>56214334
It do be like that sometimes

>> No.56214353

>>56214334
What was her book value?

>> No.56214360

>>56214028
Holy kek tell me this is pasta and you didn’t actually write this all out

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>>56214197
+.70%
Thank you based Bidenomics

>> No.56214375

>>56214334
Fuckin KO boomer what is wrong with this shit stock?

>> No.56214380

>>56214321
There are risks obviously, and you make some good points, but with the way things are going right now I don't see the current lowball valuation of the banks (well two in particular, Scotia and CIBC) as reasonable, it is driven entirely by fearmongering over the worst case scenarios that almost never play out that way. All of our top 6 banks are strong financially and will be for the foreseeable future in my opinion. As soon as this irrational fear subsides things will normalize.

>> No.56214385

>>56214360
He's in now the crab nebula, 37 years in the future retard.

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>>56214292
Goddamn Yelan is so hot

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>>56214387
she's underage

>> No.56214402

>>56214385
>Crab Nebula
the joke comes full circle with /biz/

>> No.56214410

>>56214375
Its not the stock itself. Pretty much the whole stock market's in the shat over the govt shutdown fear game. This is the time you buy.

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>>56213510
>Yellen creates ANOTHER generation of baggies

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thread cloud

>> No.56214414

>>56214327
on dis nuts

>> No.56214416

>>56213541
>>56213555
That just means she wants to expel the Pakis.

>> No.56214421

>>56214303
All in on one Brazilian sugarcane company
It's been doing well and should recover by the end of the year then I'm out

>> No.56214425

>>56213404
I've been investing in oil and oil accessories for over a decade.
you all are well behind the curve.

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>>56214410
Oh, I have been.

>> No.56214443

>>56213632
https://www.chabad.org/holidays/default_cdo/year/2023/jewish/holidays-2023.htm

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>>56214414
Haha you got me.

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>>56214197
$117.56! Also I like that these swings are keeping IV high.

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56214476

>afterhours action
It's over bobos

>> No.56214492

Make new

>> No.56214505

>>56214492
There's a recyclable already in the catalog

>> No.56214509

>>56213772
They make things that blow up, including their stock.

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>>56214492
Not yet

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>>56214259
Nice. Don't they do enrichment?

>> No.56214560

This market is fucking retarded btw

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>>56214560

>> No.56214601
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extrEME risk

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>>56214601

>> No.56214630

Reminder to be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy

>> No.56214638

>>56214630
>remember to always try to catch falling knives

>> No.56214653

>>56214628
meh. the MMRI makes sense to me. high interest rates and high DXY are typically bad for stocks

>> No.56214666

>>56214638
Trying to catch falling knives works every time if you aren’t some retard trading on 5x margin. The market always goes back up higher

>> No.56214699
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56214699

>>56214666
>just baghold for over a decade bro
>p-please, I-I'm begging you ;_;

>> No.56214700

>>56214412
Surprising lack of the n-word

>> No.56214709
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56214709

>>56214700
nigger

>> No.56214727

>>56214316
Is is the crab holiday?

>> No.56214731

>>56214201
Let me know when you double that 742k, and we'll chat again.

>> No.56214733

>>56214699
The market has never been down two years in a row. When you get a 10% dip from ath like we have now, it’s completely safe to buy. Even if it goes down a couple more percent, it will blow back past it in a few weeks. Whenever you see all these euphoric doomers, you know the bottom is near

>> No.56214748

>>56214733
>The market has never been down two years in a row
liar liar, pants on fire

>> No.56214752
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56214752

Dang I got hosed on my puts today.
>takes off shirt
Reeeee

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>>56214727
I think it has limes or some kinda citrus.

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56214768

>>56214476
>.19%

You’re a figger. We oughta do 4hr bakes like the best time frame for TA. We can hide riff raff as it identifies itself.

>> No.56214778

https://youtu.be/0RXdd0pCJ9Q

>> No.56214784

>>56214733
50 cents have been deposited into your account

>> No.56214788

>>56214700
This morning I was walking out to my car to go to the office with my hand full and I dropped my vape while I was closing the door. I just shouted fucking niggers. Then I picked it up and got in the car.

>> No.56214794

I got next bake

>> No.56214799

>>56214733
Yo this guy is gonna be broke lmao

>> No.56214800

>>56214788
Lol checked. Hatie eights

>> No.56214814

>>56214800
Don’t give tripfags attention

>> No.56214817

MIGRATE

>>56213567
>>56213567
>>56213567

RECYCLE

REDUCE YOUR THREAD FOOTPRINT

>> No.56214823

>>56214814
>I suck cocks and love sucking cocks
ftfy

>> No.56214824

>>56213458
Glory to Ukraine, dude.

>> No.56214828

>>56214666
>The market always goes back up higher
Only if the underlying economy grows which only happens if the nation grows. 2024 is the first year of the new shrinking social regime and the US economy will look like something between Japan and Brazil.

>> No.56214842

>>56214817
I'm not using the GME tainted edition.

>> No.56214847

>>56214814
Ahh shit my bad i didn’t even see it was a name fag

>> No.56214848

>>56214748
It hasnt
>>56214784
What?
>>56214799
Impossible to go broke, you just have to sell when the retards here and on other forums are euphoric about mooning and then buy back when those same retards are euphoric about it crashing to zero. I have averaged a 22% rate of return compared to the 9% the sp historically does using this strategy. You just have to never short, never use leverage and never buy back in at higher than you sold

>> No.56214853

>>56213567
>>56213567
>>56213567
baked

>> No.56214861

>>56214828
Usa gdp went from $19t in 2021 to $27t today, its not a shrinking economy like china and germany or a stagnant one like japan

>> No.56214912

>>56214861
While monetary base increased by a 3x
Sure it's worse than in Chinkland or Eurostan but it's hardly a reason to cheer

>> No.56215382

>>56214558
at the moment they don't really do jack shit lol. but yes, they'll be the only facility in the US that enriches uranium all the way to 19.75% for the foreseeable future. the urenco plant will be capable of this, however, the contracts they have signed (and disclosed) are for HALEU at 12% or so.
it's entirely possible urenco has not yet built the back half of the cascade, and will not build it until much later when they actually have a "real" HALEU contract -- you can build the entire cascade between the day you ink the contract to buy conversion and the day the UF6 shows up to feed into that cascade. but they can't sign that today, because they're on the hook to use their existing cascade to 12% for a short while.
so why does this matter? because the one and only best-funded HALEU consumer is bill gates' and warren buffett's company, and their first plant is connected to berkshire's energy grid, and centrus is run by a former US secretary of energy, and all three of them are democrats.
shouldn't take much more than that to understand what this is