/biz/ - Business & Finance

The yield curve is uninverting

>>58267443
Oh fuck!!!! That means it's actually time for the recession to start.

Reminder that the US government is permanently bankrupting itself to pump the stock market so that Joe Biden has a chance at reelection.

>>58267443
here's why that's a good thing

Thread: points down, 1/9

Oh no we are slightly above Dec 2021. SELL SELL SELL

>>58267461
And that’s a good thing

Wagies constantly fear fucking layoffs.

Why are they like this? I got fat savings that would last me 2+ years.

Are wagies just broke? How does that happen?

So why are you unhappy?

>>58267461
Good.

>>58267483
>only 2+ years
lol

I wanted get some extra opinions on this investing strategy..

>monitor a leveraged ETF for the S&P500 (just an x2) daily
>buy when its drops more than 1% buy
>sell when it goes up more than 1%

im not too bright, can someone explain why bonds rising and yields inverting is bad for the stock market?

Why is TradeZero such an absolute piece of shit?

>>58267461
>the boomers legacy is being fulfilled

Is the stock market going out of business?

>>58267461
>implying its a stock pump and not the fact that the interest on the bond payments eclipses our military budget

>>58267491
That's a man

>>58267499
Lol (Lmao.)

>>58267495
Technically 10+ but I don’t want to cannabilize my crypto.

>>58267440
THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LfJnj66HVQ
GACHI gang, GACHI gang, GACHI gang, GACHI gang (GACHI gang)
GACHI gang, GACHI gang, GACHI gang, GACHI gang (GACHI gang)
Spend three racks on a LONG PLAY (Yuh)
My bitch love do cocaine, ooh (Ooh)
I fuck a BEAR, I forgot her name (Brr, yuh)
I can't buy a BEAR no wedding ring (Ooh)
Rather go and buy CALL PLAYS (Brr)

>>58267304
Small scale farming has been getting popular in my area to combat the growing food prices. Raising some chickens, a couple cows, crops and so on each year primarily for subsistence purposes. This seems like a pretty timely way to nip that trend in the bud.

>>58267499
>Poor Investor
I hope this is a YSE bot post

>>58267518
how about I don't sell.
I monitor the ETF and just put money in when it drops 1%?
just DCA with a bit of timing.

>>58267551
That's just regular DCAing which is the proven best strategy. You don't need to time anything, just set up regular auto buys.

>>58267530
Remember a couple of years ago when it seemed like every other week a farm or some sort of meat processing plant would randomly burn down? Really gets the ol' noggin joggin'.

>>58267551
You're just honeydick talking yourself into buying the top right now. How about you wait until SPY dips under the 200 day moving average at least before considering an entry

>>58267551
Yeah dude, do it.
>(this post is not financial advice)

Should I buy the top?

>>58267530

I'll nip you in the bud :)

OIL brothers. Where the FUCK you at?

>>58267598
Thinking about going long some VLO. Any reason I shouldn't?

>>58267595
if you knowingly buy the top you can't get mad at yourself later

>>58267461
permabear pivot and cope

>>58267595
as long as we keep making new tops you are all good

How many stocks do you guys own? I feel like after 10 you might as well just buy an index.

hey where are all the NVDA bobos from this morning?

Hey anon, there is a potential stock market kill screen coming up if you want to come watch

>>58267610
explain by what methods we procure the money to pay back what we have borrowed ? Post nose.

>>58267502
Bonds rising means that the market is pricing in long time inflation now
The FED has fucked up big time

>>58267598
Why would I buy cvx now instead of waiting for a dip?

>>58267603
>Any reason I shouldn't?
NO!

>>58267624
Just print it lmao. It's denominated in USD. Nothingburger as usual.

>>58267616
I own 6 ETFs. XXXX, TQQQ, SPXL, SOXL, FNGU, TECL, and BULZ. Been holding most of them since October. You can't imagine how much fun I'm having

>>58267624
>explain by what methods we procure the money to pay back what we have borrowed ?
pretty sure its
>keep lying about inflation for as long as we can and weaponize the credit agencies against rival markets

>>58267624
Same way it's been done for the past 40 years
> procure the money
Money is not a real thing. It simulates debt

>>58267630
>dip
Two more weeks.

>>58267636
Scratch SPXL off that list. I got carried away and forgot I moved from SPXL to XXXX when it got listed

>>58267623
i went to fun spot a couple weeks ago. it was fun, although the arcade control panels/joysticks could have used a little care. they're kinda beat up after all those years. also i made everyone watch the king of kong, and chasing ghosts (2007), and insert coin (2010).

>>58267646
That's a note you uneducated tard

>>58267617
i wasnt a bobo this morning but im here now scalping puts

>>58267656
insert coin *(2020)

Buy the TSLA bottom. It's all up from here.

>>58267673
I would have gotten in but the dump happened pre-market and I don't participate in pre-market shenanigans. By the time it opened I missed my entry

>>58267551
Just set price alerts on SPY. Use 5% or 10% increments below that high. $497, $471, $445 etc. Increase the total buy on the way down. Using margin or options/LEAPS. Leverage up on the way down.

is this bullish?

>>58267656
>the arcade control panels/joysticks could have used a little care
im surprised to hear that given the notoriety on the pro scene. some say that donkey kong machine there is possessed. even bill says its possessed.
>insert coin (2010)
i never watched this one, thanks for the recommendation

>>58267673
Honestly? With how retarded tsla moves, it will probably bounce to 173 before dumping

baby pump over
now we can finally dump again

>>58267634
DAS RITE. Nothing to see here. Value and quantity have no correlation. Nor have they ever.

>>58267695
>25% of tesla's revenue is from china
>china is banning tesla
yes clearly go long

i'm simply not selling (SQQQ)

>>58267502
>>58267627
and all of that makes credit more expensive, which is poison for the economy
there was high inflation in the 1970s and the stock market was doing horrible

>>58267695
I just sold TSLA for a loss

>>58267755
stocks and bonds got fucking destroyed from inflation
the only thing that didn't was TIPS but that's because they didn't exist

not that I'd trust the government to 1) accurately report inflation or 2) not default on tips bonds

>>58267755
I can’t wait for deflation
Let it crash so I can buy shit cheap

>>58267685
thanks but I'm not looking to use options.
I was looking to invest (and Hold long term) and find a way to enhance it. If I could get ~20% annual return that would be great.

>>58267763
Where will you put that money now?

>>58267785
>20% annual return going long
you would be the greatest investor of all time

>>58267627
Bonds rising would mean yields are falling.
Git gud.

>>58267787
trying to decide between SQQQ, SKRE, or GLD

>>58267502
higher pain for longer
people are pulling out for cash

>>58267785
Literally buy SPY LEAPS at 2x leverage. Or buy SSO for 1.5x CAGR. Or 200 MA strategy.

my china ETF is up. china strong

>>58267624
>explain by what methods we procure the money to pay back what we have borrowed ?

>>58267802
I know, but I dont think that is what he meant
I mean yields rising

>>58267818
ok, if you insist I'll give LEAPs another look.

>>58267504
who would use a broker called tradezero?

Oh no traders think the NYSE is the YSE now

I'm ruined. On YSE and irl as well.

>>58267842
lol yeah unfortunate name. The advantage of TZ is they have some of the best locates for shorting hard to borrow stocks. It's also easy to open an account outside of the US and trade US stocks so there's that too. But really it's about the locates

Where are the slurps? This is looking pretty anemic. End of day is going to confirm this shit.

>>58267504
idk fren

>>58267872
>Where are the slurps?
That was last month. This month (and the next) are what in the biz is referred to as "distribution". It'll start to make sense soon

>>58267885
Stop posting this man I don't like his face

>>58267872
I only slurp spirit airlines. Did that yesterday.

Smart money started moving their powder to yotsuba stock market, SPY is going to zero. You heard it here first.

BUDDY, LOOK AT EVERYTHING COMPUTER!!

>>58267933
>spirit airlines
buddy look at NVDA gapfill computer

>1% off of all time highs
the bears won

Should i sell my lockheed stock to buy rhinemetall?

RATES HIGHER
FOR LONGER

whenever i am in the red, i just hold the stock for a bit. as long as you're patient, it always recovers.

>>58267974
tell that to wirecard investors

>>58267967
It managed to close green on XETRA despite the entire market dumping, so it still seems fairly strong

>>58267917
>investing in airlines
Do you hate money or something?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_airlines_of_the_United_States_(A–C)

>>58267949
>We're only back to yesterday's prices.
>We're only back to last months's levels
>We're only back to last year's lows
>We're only down 85%

>>58267993
I only want to build up a thousand shares.

>>58267983
also GME lol
what a fucking hilarious rug pull that earnings call was

>>58267616
About 40 positions is my standard. Can't gamble on pennies with an ETF.

>>58268002
dont care im watching Insert Coin and eating snacks today. have fun bobo

>>58267974
Can you tell my alibaba shares to hurry up.

>>58267912
I agree, was just letting a friend know what kinda business he may be dealin with.

>>58267616
About 20 across retirement and non-retirement accounts accounting for half my invested money. The other half is in indexes.

I'm 40% VTI and 60% SGOV.
I'm cautiously optimistic.

>>58267974
>whenever i am in the red, i just hold the stock for a bit. as long as you're patient, it always recovers.
The majority of stocks trade beneath their IPO price within a little over a year and never go back above it. The *market* has so far always recovered (at least the US market has) but the track record of individual stocks is precisely the opposite

>>58268064
That's because ipo is a rug pull scam.

Why is META mooning?

>>58268008
>i almost fell for the shills

>>58267616
2 at the moment and they're both colossal pieces of shit I should've dumped a long time ago. Everything else is in index funds.

>>58268064
Grim

>>58268079
I love how its got as 530 pe ratio and sales have dropped 44% in 7 years but its "totally not an organic sell off after we missed earnings" lol

How long can this really last? Is the crash years away? Months? Days? Maybe it'll be tomorrow. Maybe it has already begun. Prepare your anus

why are bond yields suddenly so important? who fucking cares

>>58267974
GME thread is that way
>>58267665
>>58267665
>>58267665

>>58268008
hegies won

>>58268119
>the real pump is that it went from a manufacturing stock to a tech stock
genuinely brilliant

>>58268119
Why do you think it will crash?

>>58268131
>that one hedge fund that actually thanked /gme/ on its earnings call after they announced a free month long vacation for all its employees and their families
outstandingly based

>>58268119
it will crash from 6k to 4.5k in a year and a half.

>>58268161
what makes you think it will crash?
Why won't it keep rising for the next 10 years?

>>58268119
>How long can this really last?
do people not want data analytics suddenly? do you see a future where people dont want big data doing data crunching? i just dont.

>>58268145
Semiconductors are the most cyclical of all tech stocks. They always crash the only question is when. Of course they always rise from the ashes too but by that time everybody who went down with the ship has already capitulated losing their money. Then a new meme requiring fresh silicon starts anew and the cycle repeats. Remember semis had an 18 year time span between new highs between 2000 and 2018. It could easily happen again and the more meteoric the rise the bigger the crash is likely to be

>>58268179
This always happens with monopoliies of emerging technologies.
It happened when the invented the phone lol

Imagine if I told you a company owned the entire market for cell phones. Or the entire market of the internet. It doesn't last

>>58268154
imagine being stupid enough to hand your monies over to them

>>58267988
Im just mad rhine went up a bunch and locksneed just sorta plods along

>>58268126
Yellen is that you?

>>58268193
For what reason will nvidia crash?
I don't see any hints of why their growth should slow down in the next 10 years.
>>58268212
How will anyone be able to replace them in the next 10 years?

>>58268190
Anal antics is for fags. I see a future where we get rid of the fags and go back to when life was better.

TSLA price/earnings has crashed to... 40.

>>58267598
Vghhhhh

>>58268126
Because for the longest time the payments on the debt, bond coupons, was a small amount. But now its ballooned to the point that the interest payments on those bonds is more expensive than the entire military budget

And we're at the point that we have to issue so much debt that it's driving up yields.

>Market crashing
>No one wants to buy my KIND puts.

>>58268269
based

Wish i held more and bigger oil

>>58268126
>retarded question

Do you work for the government ?

>>58268240
>For what reason will nvidia crash?
That's just how it works, anon. When the market is euphoric and there's a meme that's been working it's easy to believe the prices will remain on a permanently high plateau because why wouldn't they? People get greedy, they lever up, the bubble inflates far beyond any fundamental justification of price. If I had a crystal ball I could tell you exactly why and when the crash will happen but I don't so I can't. I do know one thing though. It's coming and this time is not different. That's not to say you're going to lose all your money though. Getting out is easy, just pick an exit strategy and wait for it to trigger. Could be SOX going under the 200 day moving average, could be a new low more than 4 day's average true range below the previous high, could be a volatility trigger, maybe when VIX futures are in backwardation. Pick your poison, they all work. Just don't hold and hope when the inevitable happens because even if it comes back, imagine how much better off you'd be if you sold near the top then bought back in near the bottom rather than holding the whole time

Havent seen a bull trap in a couple weeks

>>58268334
>that pic

thats it. that's enough biz for the day. i can't handle anymore.

>>58268219
RHM is experiencing far more growth in comparison to Lockheed, Lockheed is still huge, but stagnant

are we going to rip into close? are you guys thinking what i'm thinking?

>>58268334
nvidia unironically isn't overpriced or anything. actually quite cheap considering that it is literally going to change the entire fucking world.

>>58268348
We will close green and embearassment will commence yet again.

What happened on 2007/2008 that made Canadian IQ drop so much?

Well, shit. My newly-minted shares of GE Vernova are up by 12%, but everything else is in the toilet. Does anybody own anything that is going *up*?

>>58268357
Like any stock, especially megacaps, NVDA has a beta that is tied to the overall market. When the market crashes NVDA will crash too, doesn't matter if you think it's fairly priced or not. As the market rises, people will buy stocks on higher and higher margin. The higher it gets, the more violent will be the unwinding and NVDA will go with it. I'm not saying sell today. I'm saying don't fall in love with any stock or any market regime. Have an exit plan and have the discipline to execute it when the time comes

>>58268334
you still haven't given a reason why their earnings will go down.

>>58268008
GME finally almost at a fair evaluation of $4

>>58268375
Reddit is unironically up 7% for some reason.

>>58268357
AI is a nothingburger. Complete meme like crypto.

>>58268424
bitcoin isn't a meme and will be here forever. alts and other vaporware are just pump and dump scams.

>>58268384
What makes you think their earnings have to go down for the stock price to drop? Companies that beat earnings quarter over quarter go down in price all the time. When the market hits a snag NVDA will go down like it has every single time in its decades long history as a publicly traded stock. Being a high beta semiconductor stock it will likely go much more than the overall market. I'm just saying have a plan in place. I do

>>58268437
Just because it stays around and pumps every so often doesn't change the fact that it produces no value and will never be used as a currency.

>>58268424
AI has the potential to supplant millions of workers and save companies trillions of dollars in labour, even if it is exaggerated this is something investors, corporations and even governments are desperately salivating over. This isn't going away.

KAILEY LEINZ IS MY WAIFU
STOP LOOKING AT HER

>>58268384
>why yes this is my first year investing, how could you tell?

>>58268472
okay

Glad I picked up SPY calls on that dip this morning

>>58268384
The demand for AI will decrease when the gulags start.

>humana
holy fuck health is getting FUKT

>>58268448
If the earnings go up and the stock price goes down, I buy more.
The price will correct itself back over 5 months.
Time in the market beats timing the market.

Watch for NVDA to break back above 900, which is coincidentally the 20 day SMA

>>58268507
NVDA keeps bumping up against 900. I think it's looking for a catalyst

>>58268472
>uneven collar
2/10 would not bang

What else is a contrarian play like tobacco or uranium?

>>58268481
are you not aware that the stock price follows the company's earnings?
If their earnings double, the stock price doubles.
The price is volatile in the short term but the long term average is in a 1 to 1 ratio, earnings to stock price.

>>58268535
Water purifying. Nobody cares about fresh water until shortages hit.

>reddit is UP during a down day

>>58268502
buy the dip you nerd

>>58268535
Now, probably Intel and Boeing stocks.

>>58268559
so is DJT

wtf cocoa, man, lmao.

>>58268559
Cause all the executives ran out of stock to dump. They usually have a rule they can't dumb for like 3 months. Not here it seems.

$COST CHEAPIES!

>>58268559
almost at ath too

>>58268549
>If their earnings double, the stock price doubles.
Market is forward looking. You probably were not investing few years ago, so you don't remember ZIM. But it's a perfect example. Everyone was baffled that a company with single digit P/E and double digit dividend was not going up in value. Well shit, turns out smart people knew its moment of glory is going to end and redditors are now left with heavy bags

>>58268506
>price goes down, I buy more
Alright, I've said what I had to say so I'll let you get the last word after this. Earnings are important, market regimes are important, memes are important, macro is important, interest rates are important, so on and so forth but NOTHING is more important than price. Price is king. Everything else is a distant second at best. Pic related that time when NVDA crabbed for 15 years straight. 15 years. Would you have held and bought more through all of that? Even through the 89% draw down? You can have the last word

>>58268571
>He didn't invest in choccy milk

>>58268585
fuck i meant all time low

>>58268523
Just bounced a small bit off of it too. I have a feeling we're going to be trying to break it again all day.

>>58267502
It's better to "only" MAKE 4.5% than to
LOSE
EVERYTHING

>>58268549
>If their earnings double, the stock price doubles.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH. Please learn what earnings multiples are and why they matter. This is such a top signal. Too many newfags.

>>58268567
...after dumping 30% over the last 5 days, thoughever

why is NOC sucking cock

Buying VVPR has been my biggest earner today. I never dabble in penny stocks but its a good time.

i still cant trade GEV on my broker
fucking let me in

>>58268590
That's over 10 years ago.
Have you taken a look at their assets lately?

>>58268637
i still havent received my shares from the stock split but i can trade it

>>58268610
I hate to say it, but that's true. Newfag city all over the web.

>>58267673
Nah

ruh roh burgers, expect higher egg prices

>>58268629
You shill penny stocks all the fucking time.

holy fuck URANIUM Chads stay winning

I hope I can repeat this success every month
Wish me luck anons

>bloomberg live music

>>58268629
I shorted VVPR in pre-market. Just a quick scalp from 4.74 to 4.50 but it was my second highest earner today after my NQ futures shorts at market open

>>58268549
>If their earnings double, the stock price doubles.
You are not ready for the real world yet.

>>58268697
It's about time for the clean energy meme to pick up some momentum again. Might get some pennystocks.

>>58268637
that's why I use multiple brokers. I bought it on Degiro today without issues.

>>58268720

>>58268701
I never post about penny stocks, the only one I did was last week when that GTCS jumped from 4 dollars to 30. I'm an NVDA baggie.

>>58268747
what terminal

>>58268697
Just buy uranium

>>58268752
Lightspeed

>>58268720
>>58268747
Nice, I scooped 300 shares at 5.38 to make 600 bucks (so far).

here me out:
>buy 100 MSFT at 421.5
>sell 1 MSFT 300 call 17 jan '25 for 135.71
>pay net of $28 572
>receive $30 000 if call gets assigned, this is a (max) profit of $1,428. that is a profit of 5% or annualized 6.3%
>break even for msft is 285.72
I am mostly cash right now, earning low interest and having T-bills but this seems like a better strategy because the yield is higher than T-bills and it also gives me an entry point for when the stock slips, i.e. if the call expires worthless I will have essentially bought msft at $285.72 which I would like because when the market is dipping you will always think ''it will go even lower'' so you never end up pulling the trigger and get left behind with your cock in your hand.

>>58268779
cool, but when markets correct 20% in the next 3-6 months, what then?

>>58268685
why?

another round of disease?
new dumb bureaucratic regulations?

>>58268749
oh I thought you were that tripfag from many years ago

>>58268685
Putinflation

>>58267673
I bought $500 of TSLA today and it's already up $7. Feeling pretty good about the future.

>>58268764
how do you like it vs tos? seems lightspeed might offer more granular control

>>58267673
bought another put, TSLA belongs in the 50$ range

why everything red? not very pogtastic if you ask me.

>>58268792
>20%
MUMU DETECTED

>>58268529
But the microphone looks like an alien probe. +2

>>58268549
>if their earnings double...
Check the price of Rheinmetall now and check it on the picrel. Release of that report was in march.

>>58268725
Why do you think it doesn't work like that?

>LIVE: White House briefing after Israel's bombing of World Central Kitchen convoy
>World Central Kitchen
huh?

>>58268867
my uranium is positively glowing green though
my hair is falling out and i feel nauseaus but i dont care

>>58268892
Because future earnings are priced into the stock.

>>58268582
COST Has been dropping ever since I bought on earnings day, I have no intention on selling so beware I might be the single reason for this stock that has done nothing but go up to finally go down -50%

>>58268779
Covered calls is the same trade as a short put at the same strike and expiration. By going with the short puts instead the trade is simpler since you you don't have to both buy shares *and* sell the option. The only downside is the possibility of early assignment but that's rare and even if it occurred you'd just be in the shares which is where you would have been anyway had you did the covered call in the first place. Also, with some brokers the short put is more efficient since it requires less margin
>>58268843
The main difference between LS and ToS is LS has much better locates on hard to borrow stocks. If you want to make a real strategy out of shorting penny stock pump and dumps then ToS isn't really going to work. Lightspeed is a direct access broker too so for example if you wanted to short VVPR in pre-market and you noticed a lot of shares are on ARCA but not a lot on NSDQ if you then explicitly choose ARCA as the exchange to route the order to the order will execute quite a few milliseconds quicker. I wouldn't really compare LS to ToS, the better comparison is with Cobra, Centerpoint, and TradeZero, brokers that specialize in very active trading and hard to borrow shorting. ToS is more comparable to Fidelity, Webull, etc. Payment for order flow brokers with free trading but slower executions and less ability to short HTB stocks

>>58268792
did you even understand what I said?
I want the market to drop you retard

>>58268917
A lot of people use Lightspeed and other specialized brokers for shorting & still maintain a ToS account for the advanced charting and cheaper trades when execution speed isn't as critical

Geez, bought 50 SOXL and immediately lost $100…

>>58268932
He's saying a drop of only -20% is absurdly bullish

>>58268885
Stock prices are volatile in the short term.
They might be overvalued or undervalued right now, but If their earnings double, the price will too. You have to look at it in a long perspective of +5 years.

soxs
>>>/gif/26973618

do I slurp humana

>>58268955
Newfag who thinks he's got everything figured out detected. You'll learn, painfully.

>>58268933
hmm. short selling penny stocks isn't a strat i have experience in. seems like a fun challenge. thx fren.

anyone else stocking up on vix calls for muh solar eclipse? normies seem to be being conditioned for something to happen.

wtf was that line

>>58268977
lmao

>>58268977
Probably judging by the previous price action but risk and it depends on how much time you plan on giving it.

>>58268917
>Covered calls is the same trade as a short put at the same strike and expiration.
touché my nigger

>>58268977
>thinking about things other than NATGAS AND OIL

you bought calls right anon?

>>58268904
Usually not very far into the future.
All people are not going to suddenly sell their stock because they see that it's overvalued. If they reasonably expect it to continue growing they'll buy it even if it's overpriced. People in the future are also going to buy it overpriced if it continues to grow with no signs of slowing down. You can profit from an overvalued stock all the way up to the point where earnings stop growing.

>>58269043
Nope, I have too few brain cells to touch options.

>>58269043
i bought calls on ticker JANNY. it was trading at generational lows last night

>>58268979
You're welcome to explain how you think I'm wrong.

>>58268896
They're targeting western aid workers now for trying to feed the starving Palestinians. The IDF's strategy is to starve them all to death.

I thought Biden was propping up the market to look better for the election why the fuck is the line going down?

>SLB Starts Oilfield Service M&A Drive.The world’s largest oilfield services firmSLB (NYSE:SLB)agreed to buy rivalChampionX (NASDAQ:CHX)in an all-stock deal valued at $7.75 billion that’s expected to close before end-2024, with the latter surging 10% in pre-market trading on Tuesday

>ChampionX shareholders will receive 0.735 shares of SLB common stock, or $40.59 per share, representing a premium of 14.7% to ChampionX's last closing price.


tfw I hold both

Why is my line going down? Everything except oil is red. I thought biden hated oil.

>>58269040
just looked at the NATGAS chart
how heavy these bags must be lmao
You did also buy the GME top didn't you?

>>58269113
Iran / Israel tension is keeping oil up

>>58269126
>he's not all in on FNG (female natural gas)

>>58269071
Isn’t it Ramadan anyway? They’re supposed to be fasting. I guess we have no choice but to bring them all over here. Hopefully they all wind up in Michigan.

you guys need to stop blaming the jews for everything

>>58268902
Golden cross on UEC

>>58269048
>If they reasonably expect it to continue growing they'll buy it even if it's overpriced.
No they wont because they understand that opportunity cost is a thing. Would you invest in a company that costs 50 billiion and produces a 2% growth per year? I wouldn't because that shit doesn't even beat inflation. Price is the most important factor of an investment.

>>58269113
>oil
*NATGAS AND OIL
>red
*GAY and NIGGER

>>58269043
ARM and MU

>>58269126
>thinks it's a long term hold

is solar dead? should i fomo into SMR again?

>>58269072
Being fake and gay only gets a market so far. There need to be healthy corrections before things go parabolic due to reinflation

>>58268986
>ormies seem to be being conditioned for something to happen
im in the eclipse path and they got the natty guard getting ready and everything.

>>58269180
I know when you cry yourself to sleep at night you promise you will sell as soon as you break even
but since that won't happen yeah it's gonna be a long term hold

i cant fucking believe it, yotsuba tried to warn everyone but i didnt see

>>58269152
Fren, even the current rise in antisemitism is the Jews fault.

>>58269151
Stop saying this. It has to go up another 15% to golden cross

>>58269158
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about stocks whose earnings increase rapidly, like Nvidia.
People will buy overpriced stock all the way up until their earnings flatten out.

>TQQQ

>>58269152

The Jews owe me 130€

10yr at 4.6% is when the global economy goes full my lai

>>58269226
Since none of this hits anywhere close to any marks at all I'm going to guess that you're just projecting onto a screen that's draped over Taylor Swift's Adam's apple.

>>58269071
Maybe they shouldn't have been providing aid to terrorists?

>>58269239
Yes and they will lose their money because the price has already priced in massive future growth. What part of this do you not get? Literally everyone knows Nvidia is going to increase their revenue quarter over quarter. You have to have better earnings than expected to actually increase the price.

The JPY/USD exchange is looking joocy, is there a right way to play this besides anime merch? Maybe investing in giant robots?

>>58269280
That's really mean insulting me and my wife

GEV bros not like this

>>58269239
Take Tesla as an example. Tesla has tripled their earning since 2021 but the shares are down 60% from ATH. Why? because the growth was priced in and they failed to beat expectations even if their earnings tripled.

>>58269293
Literally this time it’s different you mong!

>>58269283
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26198764/
meds you fat fuck.

>>58269293
yes, when it tops it will either get less overpriced as it approaches the top, or it will go down a lot when people figure out that it's not growing at the same rate anymore. But up to that point people will keep buying it overpriced if they think earnings will keep growing at the same pace.

>>58269293
>Literally everyone knows Nvidia is going to increase their revenue quarter over quarter.
do they?

>>58269331
Because you should always look at prices at its face value regardless of the macros and trends

Real smart 6-figure hell perma rainbow bear. Or was it 5?

>>58269294
I was kind of debating this, would it be a good idea to place an order through a bank for Japanese Yen and then return it for USD when the ratio calms down again?

>>58269352
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT INCREASING EARNINGS DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY ARE ALREADY PRICED IN. GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER GET CANCER

If any of you want to learn how to scalp futures from one of the best, watch this dude's stream every day. He starts streaming around 9:15 eastern and ends around 10:30. The live stream is always deleted afterwards so you have to watch it while he's streaming. The dude goes by kush and he's probably the best I've ever seen at what he does
https://www.youtube.com/@thestockdon6312

>>58269338
Doesn't change the fact that all this international aid we've been sending to the gazanians and the hohols for the past 4 years is going to support nazis and terrorists.

>>58269366
>when the ratio calms down again?
But see, that's just it isn't it

>>58269152
>you guys need to

>>58269331
Yes, and that's what I'm saying. You need to factor that in. You need to look +5 years into the future when you buy something. Does it have room to grow and how much, and how likely are they to reach target and when.

>>58269293
>price has already priced in massive future growth
why do ((you people)) just assume stuff like that?
NVDA forward earnings ratio is half of it's 5 year average
undervalued

>>58269381
>ARM 1591 P/E
>AMD 338 P/E
>INTC 113.6 P/E
>NVA 75 P/E
>everyone knows nvidia will massively increase their revenue
>p/e lower than competitors
...

>>58269366
>when the ratio calms down again?
i mean its at a 34 year low. means you can end up bag holding for 34 years.

I can't believe a shitcoin like TSLA was allowed into the S&P.

>>58269294
swissy too
https://www.barchart.com/futures/commitment-of-traders/interactive-charts/S6*0

The point he's making is NVDA is a bubble you tards.

>>58269408
>NVDA forward earnings ratio
What do you think that "forward" in forward earnings ratio comes from? Like please man. I can't do this anymore. Why is everyone so financially illiterate today?

>>58269237
I'm using a shorter time frame. Likes are basically touching. Wouldn't be surprised if we go to 9 bucks this cycle

>>58269413
>>INTC 113.6 P/E
>It's true.

>>58269408
The thing that makes Taylor Swift so attractive, to me, is that there is this underlying bitchiness to her. Underneath that "nice girl" act is a cold bitch with nice legs who's filthy rich. You see glimpses of it when the PR mask slips.

I can imagine the thrill of raw dogging her with my brown Uber-Mensch Weiner. Maybe someday.

Anyways, TSLA 160 EOW and SPY 520 EOD tomorrow.

>>58269428
if future growth is fully priced in then why is number half?
is it half priced in? so you are saying nvda has to double from here to be fairly valued?

>NOC shitting the bed
>zero news

>>58269405
>You need to look +5 years into the future when you buy something. Does it have room to grow and how much, and how likely are they to reach target and when.
You have to actually be able to do this though. Please provide a credible broker screenshot of when you bought NVDA 5 years ago which is what you would need to shut everybody up and prove that you actually have this ability. If you can't do that, it doesn't matter to a bunch of anons on a mongolian basket weaving forum. It should matter to you though since you do not have a proven ability to do what you claim

What’s your guys outlook on REIT’s and residential real estate in general? If rates go down it will obviously take off to the moon again I believe, and I’m considering if I want to take a portion of my Roth and 401k for a down payment on a house while the markets this high, I’m 25

>>58269428
you are illiterate. your entire thesis is based on nvidia excessive stock price compared to their revenue. but they are pretty fucking low compared to competitors. you need to either change your point to "everything is fucking overpriced and ESPECIALLY AMD"

>>58269455
Anon I am an NVDA bull but you're talking out of your ass here. This massive swing in stock price these last three months is because companies are placing orders for 2-3 years out (in fear of being left at the back of the line). NVDA will grow but a lot of their future growth is priced in already or pretty damn close.

I've been getting more and more bearish on NVDA the last few weeks but this thread makes me realize I wasn't nearly bearish enough

>>58269455
????????????????????
Forward P/E is a measure where you use estimates of future earnings compared to the current price. Those future earnings are just estimates. Also 30 P/E is still pretty overvalued for a hardware manufacturer.

>>58269455
>>58269494
I might've responded to the wrong person, my bad.

>>58269387
No. It’s just money laundering for the democrats.

>>58269457
>down 1%
>up at all zooms greater than 5 days
>shitting the bed

>>58269475
>"everything is fucking overpriced and ESPECIALLY AMD"
Finally you get it. Nvidia is just the biggest example by market cap. All semiconductors are overvalued right now.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/28/business/amazon-pours-150b-into-data-centers-to-handle-expected-ai-boom/
Amazon reportedly to spend $150B to build data centers needed for AI boom, ‘get closer to customers’

https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-openai-planning-100-billion-data-center-project-information-reports-2024-03-29/
Microsoft, OpenAI plan $100 billion data-center project, media report says


ARM and MU benefit bigly from this. Yea we eatin gud.

>>58269529
you are so retarded you can't even articulate what you think

>>58269458
I'm the one asking you why it won't keep growing.
Everything points to that it will. No one else has the technology they have and there's an insane increase in demand for what they provide. They have a vision far into the future like no one else has. Unless they fuck everything completely up, I don't see why they won't stay dominant in their market far into the future.
I've never claimed that I know exactly what will happen. I just factor in a lot of trends and say it looks like it's going up.
I was merely asking why people think it will crash. Everything I can see points to that it will keep growing for a long time.

>>58269448
the more popular people are the colder they get. Taylor would eat your soul.
Anyways NVDA 10000 EOY
https://investorplace.com/2024/03/its-not-impossible-for-nvidia-stock-to-hit-10000-by-2025/

lost $14 today it's over

>>58269559
Even the coldest, most attractive woman has had jizz on her face at one point.

>>58269554
>I was merely asking why people think it will crash. Everything I can see points to that it will keep growing for a long time.
It can increase earnings for a long time and still go down. See Tesla 2021.

>>58269448
>The thing that makes Taylor Swift so attractive, to me, is that there is this underlying bitchiness to her.
Seldom do I see something so terrible and wrong that I agree with so much. Why must we be attractive to girls like this?

>>58269554
What if you're wrong though and you haven't actually factored everything in? You don't have a track record so presumably you gained this amazing ability to forecast stock performance 5 years into the future just recently. What if.. bear with me.. what if you're just irrationally exuberant? What if this time isn't actually different and NVDA doesn't miraculously defy all odds and just goes right along with the rest of the market when it takes its next inevitable swan dive? I know what you're thinking, you'll just buy more. Okay but how many buy mores do you have in you if NVDA goes down -50%, -60%, -75%, -90% like it's done repeatedly in the past and stays down for years and years at a time? What are you gonna do? Here, let me help you. You will capitulate and sell, likely close to the bottom. Whatever you think your risk tolerance is, I guarantee you it's lower and probably by a lot. So, humor me, if NVDA plummets what do you plan on doing? And if the answer is buy more, what if it plummets more? Just for the sake of argument, what is your exit strategy

Stop buying you faggots, it's literally over. Look at Oil.

>>58269448
she's literally just some whore dude

Baking...

Anybody glanced at LABD computer lately? Biotech bros must be eating shit today fuckin lol

>new huawei luxeed S7 car
Oof...Someone keep me from buying a chinese car in a couple of years when I check the market for an nicely priced EVs

>>58269559
>>58269448
wtf, bots or matrix? you posted this some weeks or months ago

>>58269569
I'm actually up because of rheinmetall

>>58269615
I know. However, eventually it will go up again if the earnings keep rising. If a stock is vastly overvalued you run a greater risk of mass selloff if the company doesn't meet expectations or does something bad and unexpected or unpopular. So you have to factor it in before buying.

>>58269741
maybe meds

>>58269746
>going long on miltech at the tale end of a war
>Going long on German miltech at the tale end of a war
Are you betting on Germany falling into civil war and uprising?

>>58269766
the oinkraine war is here to stay

>>58269766
>tale
get out jeet. i dont care about your opinion.

>>58269741
>>58269753
No, just horny.

HERE COMES SOUR HOUR
HERE COMES SOUR HOUR
RIGHT DOWN SOUR HOUR LANE

Power hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

>>58269387
go fuck yourself, kike

finally, the last /smg/

Remember bros, in the 8 months you've been trading you have it completely figured out and what you expect to happen in the market always happens every single time

>>58268549
had to leave the thread for a bit, glad so many other anons rightfully called you a retard. Enjoy your bags.

>>58269665
I haven't factored everything in. That's impossible.
But I know that there are no one else on the market that can offer what they have. There's an increase in demand for what they offer, so the chances are low that they're going to crash hard and go out of business.
My exit strategy is to look at the demand for what they provide and see if it's going up or down. If demand goes up, its a buy signal regardless of a drop-off in price. If demand goes down, it's a sell signal regardless of the price.
Right now the demand is drastically increasing every month and I have a hard time imagining when the demand should decrease. I don't see the demand taper off for the next 20 years. New players might come on the field but Nvidia is the strongest player as for now and I don't see any reasonable competition within the next 10 years.

>>58269903
You're welcome to correct me if you like.

thank god for GE split or i'd be pissing blood
thank you GE anon

>>58269766
Ukraine is the next Korea, but with no armistice. Expect several more years of meat grinding until some sort of 100mile mine field/dmz is established.

this thread made me realize im overly cautious on nvda and should actual directly own some shares

>>58269899
Nothing ever happens
buy natgas

>>58269899
i've been trading for 15 years. I have it figured out.

>>58269387
I still think all this "jews are the new right wing extremists now" is pretty sus

>>58269914
What happens when despite people continuing to buy their products the price still goes down. This happens all the time. MSFT had huge and growing demand for their products yet the price stagnated for a decade and a half. Using product demand to dictate your opinion on price is a terrible strategy. Why not just cut out the abstraction and go straight to price. Instead of selling when demand for the product softens, why not rely on price to tell you when to get in and out. As long as price rises, you stay in, when price falls you get out. That way you can avoid divergent signals and getting your account rekt

>>58269964
Qatar is the largest donor to american universities.

should I buy more spy

>>58269944
The funny thing about this Kabuki is that it failed. The propaganda needed a second cold war but it came out culturally as a "some skrimish somewhere that doesnt concerns us". It has no cultural meaning outside of hoholistan, even in Russia its a meh "happening", same for the dune coon vs dune coon kabuki, a nothing ever happens

>>58269995
who would have thought of that 50 years ago?
So it is really hard to tell what the future will bring.
Only that NVDA will go up is a certainty. Clearly.

>>58269886
End of /smg/
You will (not) short.

>>58269995
And they wonder why the universities are churning out people that hate the United States and wave Palestinian flags.

I'm not baking

>>58270031
Who's they? Anyone who has any idea what's going on isn't wondering that at all.

where's the "im not fucking baking" pic? I should save it

>>58269914
Did you make the calculations or are you going by gut feeling? There are formulas to calculate the intrinsic value of a company. All of them take future development into account to arrive at a fair value of the individual stocks. It's to make companies comparable with each other and to give a little bit of structure to speculating future values. Look up the formulas, find out a realistic number of growth that you believe nvidia can achieve consistently over time and see how far the price deviates from what it currently is.

>>58269970
The earnings trend is really the only tool you can use to reliably predict the price of a stock in the long term to any degree. It doesn't follow 100% and in some cases it doesn't reflect very well. But over all you'll be better off relying on earnings trends, because they follow to a high degree in the long run in the vast majority of cases and you can reasonably predict earnings if you know the industry well.

>>58269941
You're welcome, if that was me.

enough.

I sold some puts that are dangerously close to being ITM and I'd rather they not get exercised.

>>58270093
no

>>58270077
>The earnings trend is really the only tool you can use to reliably predict the price of a stock in the long term to any degree
Nothing reliably predicts the price of a stock in the long term also you're not trading product demand. That metric is not listed on the exchange. You are trading price. Since demand is not directly correlated to stock price and it's the price that you are actually trading, why not use that as the signal to buy and sell?
In other news:
MIGRATE
MIGRATE
>>58270103
>>58270103
>>58270103

Baking.

>>58270075
>Did you make the calculations or are you going by gut feeling?
You only really have your gut feeling when you're talking about the future growth of a company's earnings. That's why you need to know the industry really well, and shouldn't buy anything you don't fully understand. Because what do you do if it goes up a lot? or goes down a lot? You need to know the underlying factors at play.
You have to rely on a lot of different observations and factor them into your risk assessment.
>Look up the formulas, find out a realistic number of growth that you believe nvidia can achieve consistently over time and see how far the price deviates from what it currently is.
Yes. This way you can assess when it's time to buy more or maybe move some capital to another stock that's undervalued based on your overall assessment.

when it will be reopen? i need to sell my janys bags