/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>7774847

Communism should be a capital crime.

>>7774847
>Everyone wants to out preform everyone else and this creates anger

This isn't a problem if you're not a cuck.

>>7774847
>Just hear me out for a moment
no

Soon the time will come to seperate the parasitic class from the fruits of our labor

>>7774847
FUCK OFF
AM TOO BUSY LINKING THAT MONEY
LINKMARINES

>>7774847
hate greed and envy are part of the human condition
it is going to be a long time until we develop past that
forcing it will never hold
it must be something that is grown into
stop being a commie
whats that quote, if you're not a leftist when you're a kid you have no heart, if you're not right wing when you're older you have no brain

>>7774847
work smart, not hard you retard

>>7774892
I fucking like your style anon.

Should of thought a bit more about doing a shitty job.

>>7774847
>We need to redistribute the wealth to make it fair for everyone.

OP
You are a brainlet.

Let me explain this for you.

Lets say you took all of the wealth from the top 1000 richest people on earth and you divided it amongst everyone else.

It would ONLY cause massive inflation and prices will adjust to the level they were at before, meaning NOBODY is better off. The working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods. You can't get more than is virtually EVERYTHING!!

You don't understand how money or wealth works.
This is the MAIN fallacy in socialism.

I hope you understand how retarded your idea is now.

>We need to redistribute the wealth
can't trust the government to do that bud
give the government that kind of power and its going to fuck you. don't be naive. government can't be trusted with the powers it has right now, and you want a new even more powerful government? you really don't want that

>>7774847
lol you r dumb

>>7774847
Ok. Let's start with you. The average laborer in Ethopia makes $.33 a day. Go ahead and redistribute your wealth.

>>7775227
this commie faggots BTFO

>>7774847
the problem is democracy and with it coming the durst of everyone for money and freedom to do whatever he wants. this is what brought up this system. want a change? abolish democracies, find a worthy monarch. (sergey for my part)
otherwise, tyranny will be upon us soon. this may change this too

>>7774847
Communism isn't the way, but we do need a way to redestribute the wealth of the world. It's fucked that over half of the worlds population lives on less than $3 a day, and in the US, the Walton family owns more than the poorest 40% of the population, which they got by fucking over as many people as they possibly could.

Overthrowing government to do it isn't right, but just letting it be is just fucked.

>>7775099
checked and kek'd

>>7774847
There's a name for this.

>Darwinism.

>>7775185
gommunism is retarded but ancap is autistic, and retarded too

>>7774847
Im already having fantasies about breaking into peoples homes and murding them and taking their shit
Im so fucking depressed and sick of being poor
I want the world to go into a recession, rich fucker blood will fill the streets and im going to fire the first shot

>>7775185
redistribution of wealth doesn't have to mean even distribution to all citizens, you fucking brainlet.
if you're to actually make a difference, you tax the richest of rich (what the .1% to do even with a quarter of their money? they couldn't spend it if they tried), then you create institutions that help people get on their feet, and help those who are on their feet to get even better lives.

>>7775462
>what the .1% to do even with a quarter of their money? they couldn't spend it if they tried
Holy shit you are retarded. Do you think the rich just keep their wealth in giant gold bars in a vault?

>>7775496
i didnt mean that literally. of course they buy houses, cars, hookers and blow, but they could live their lives without 12 condos and a gold-plated lamborghini.

>>7775274
dude, your monarch will be corrupted, or his staff corrupted. fuck the elites could just fucking clone and replace your monarch with demonic powers, ok maybe not. but he wont live forever and theres no guarantee his replacement wont be shit. don't even bother. we tried monarchies for thousands of years and it sucked. decentralize alongside the vision of the founding fathers for strong local governments and a greatly reduced in power and size federal government. 1776 will commence again. it took over a century to corrupt last time, this time we'll be ready. the constitution needs to be the highest law in the land, not some corruptible man, no man is worthy of that much power.

>>7775352
I agree, I hate unintelligent Bernie Bros and socialism but there are ways to reduce wealth inequality without sacrificing wealth creation. If your interested in market solutions for inequality check out Henry George, and his Progress and Poverty. Ancaps and anyone who supports Austrian economics needs to learn some basic econ. Not using empirical studies and basing your whole economic system on deduction and "praxeology" is retarded.

>>7775496
you're right. Most of that wealth sits in the financial market, creating absolutely no value for society whilst simultaneously screwing over the common man. Rent seeking at its finest

>>7774847
Commies don't believe in equal distribution of wealth or income. They believe in equal distribution based upon work. I don't think you're a real commie, I think you're a Bernie Sanders shill. With that said, communism is shit, however, as a former communist I understand your rhetoric and I understand when you're being sincere and when you're trying to subvert in one form or another.

>>7775560
I agree, I think his position comes from good intentions, better then most morally corrupt neo-cons.

>Wealth distributed evenly
>hard working people eventually acquire more wealth
>Wealth isn't even anymore

darn

>>7775462
How would the government taking some of this money and funneling it towards jobs programs help people?

It would be better if the money was left in the hands of people that create jobs I the first place

Brainlet

>>7774847
maybe if you had worked harder when you were in school you wouldnt have dropped out of high school and would have gone to college and would have gotten a better job and would have had money to be able to risk in stocks like amazon and google to make yourself rich instead of being a wage cuck

>>7775560
The money is used to create what the common man demands. Really makes you think.

>>7775658
I think the point he's making is that people are not properly payed for their contribution to society. Hardworking teachers do arguably more but are criminally underpayed in the U.S

>>7775734

boohoo? What decides which work is valuable? You? me? I let the market decide.

>>7775734
Who thinks teachers are underpaid? They should do something else if they want more money

>>7775529
Taking their lambos away from them will not help you whatsoever
Brainlet

>>7775560
Money that is not spent lowers the price of all other money in the economy and the working class benefits from this

Brainlet

He tried to fix this shit, getting rid of both commies and caps insects, and you launched a war against him to protect (((them))). Study the ideology, really deep. It really solves all these problems in the most logical way, though some may not like it, it has to be done

>>7775684
Lol the old trickle down "rich people create jobs" meme. Demand always come first, a business isn't created unless there is demand not the other way around. Trickle down doesn't work, get over it.

>>7774847
But people are lazy, who's gonna do hard dirty work nobody wants to?

>>7774847
>Everyone wants to out preform everyone else

Yes, this is what drives society and progress.

Redistribution doesn't work. It never has and never will. No amount of taking money from the rich and giving it to the average or the poor will ever make these people rich, because the moment the average or the poor get some money, they give it straight back to the rich, for the same reason that the rich became rich in the first place: because, thanks to their superior intelligence, they design the iPhones and perform the surgeries that every sane person desires. The only way for the scheme to work would be if the average and poor people themselves preferred the products and services of the average and poor people, to those of the rich, but they do not, because even they are not that stupid, and inequality continues

>>7775708
the common man demands to have his currency manipulated? Or is that simply a byproduct of an imperfect system? It's economic drone warfare. Investors destroy small countries by shorting their currencies for personal gain.

>>7774847
How many generations back in history were your ancestors literate?

>>7775541
okay i get your point. i may be only talking hypothetical, for it is indeed highly unlikely to find a monarch in this time, worthy to have supreme power. i'm talking about a monarch who is absolutely loyal to his people, who has no intention or incentive to be influenced by anyone, neither by money, nor by anything else but his own truthseeking mind.
the problem is that everybody is already corrupted by money, for money means power in these times.

>>7775759
Who do you want teaching the kids of America, the smartest people or the bottom of the barrel. I think it's in our collective best interest to prioritize education, its one of the best ways to invest in economic growth in the long term. Its similar to infrastructure, by taking a small individual cost now, (taxes) you get to enjoy greater quality of life in the future.

the stock market and financial service market is the MOST despotic and powerful system on the planet and owned by 1% of the population. 83% of the stock market is owned by 1% of the population. And they create NOTHING. Making money out of money.

What about redistributing pussy? I am an incel and it's not fair Chad gets all the women and I can't even have his left-overs, it's not fair!

>>7775940
Check out derivatives, it's insane how much money is there.

>>7775859
>they design the iPhones
no they dont, the engineers do, and they get paid for it, but they are far from rich. The richest do literally no work. They just buy low & sell high, which is what we try to imitate with crypto,

>>7775790
yeah, the guy and his people were pretty deep into the old greeks, plato n shit. they were up to something. but would have been left out, so (((they))) started the actual propaganda war...

>>7775891
these cuckservatives believe that all humans are as easily corruptible as their sorry materialistic asses

put einstein or tesla in charge. Tesla died penniless in a fucking hotel. His primary goal in life was liberating the common man with a free energy generating device. He passed up the opportunity to become a billionaire many times. Material objects do not phase such brilliant minds.

>>7775758
Properly educating our young is good no matter how you look at it. It leads to long term economic prosperity and lower crime.

>>7775947

>>7775940
If it creates NOTHING then what good will redistributing it do dumbass?

>>7774847
>I can't help but think there are people who bought Amazon or google Stocks years ago and are making mullions and billions sitting on their fucking ass.
You can open a trading account in under 48 hours on your phone. Stay poor, faggot.

>>7775998
yes they were unto the old platonic ideal, the proven superior should rule, and riches should be founded on actual contributions to the wellbeing of society, unlike today's leeches

>>7776110
it creates NOTHING under their management. They don't create anything. They instead speculate on the work and currency of the common man, screwing him and profiting massively.

>>7776110
"redistributing" our current modern fiat would be like farting in the wind. A new economic system must be put in place

>>7775734
I agree teachers should be paid more but if you want teachers to have a better salary then you need to abolish the teachers union so they don’t have low IQ overly political trash that needs to be fired poisoning our kids (here in he US).

>>7776014
indeed such brilliant minds should be in charge. Uncorruptible and 100% determined

>>7776176
Why doesn't the common man invest in the stocks of his employer so he can also profit?

>>7775768
not after they've bought them. taking their lambos away from them in the form of taxes before they've bought the new 2018 model and building a proper health-care system that provides the people with a hospital visit that doesn't end up with them filing for bankruptcy when they need to pay up, however, would help the people "whatsoever"

>inb4 but that system doesn't exist

just look at the scandinavian countries. sure, they have some problems, but their healthcare fucking works. it's like $10 for the ambulance ride, and that's it. sure, plenty more % of your income go to taxes but fuck it, at least you don't have to let your wife give birth on your sofa because you couldn't pay $10 000 for your hospital bill. and that's about 6 months pay after taxes for some people, so don't you come here saying that taxes cost as much, because it doesn't when you have companies making billion dollar profits on one end.

>>7776014
>tesla
>>>/reddit/

>>7776323
it doesn't work it sucks. you should be deported to that shithole and banned from returning.

>>7775462
so you take away the part of money from the richest that they can't spend anyway?

you literally did nothing but screw people who weren't poor enough to get that money by inflating away theirs.

the richest isn't worse off -it was money they couldn't spend, was effectively removed from society-. the people who weren't 'taxed', but weren't receiving any of that money either are the ones who are now worse off.

>>7776030
the liberal mantra, "education alone gets rid of poverty and crime". Sorry dude, getting rid of shitskins does a way better job. Education is still important though

Protip: Life isn't fair.

Work hard instead of whining about it. You should probably think about pivoting to a different profession too. Robots can lift rebar and don't get tired.

>>7774847
If wealth was completely distributed, 10 years later there would be a noticeable inequality. People who understand business, finance, and economics will invest their money while the others save or squander it.

>>7774847
>My back is starting to give out on me and I can't help but think there are people who bought Amazon or google Stocks years ago and are making mullions and billions sitting on their fucking ass

You do realize some of those people might have also been working construction, or having actual or metaphorical shit in their faces from time to time, as is with most jobs. The only difference is that they took a risk with their money (Google? Wtf is that? I use Yahoo. Amazon? An online fucking bookstore? I just go to bookstores to read books for free and have coffee) and it paid off. You should do the same while you still can. Also, read "The Millionaire Fastlane", you need a change of attitude to succeed at life

wealth will never be distributed evenly because I will always find a way to wake up earlier than you, waste less time than you, work harder than you, and have more than (YOU)

>>7776397
wrong

>>7776319
2+ billion people are without internet access and live on pennies per day. Many of these people produce goods and resources that are scalped by corporations and sold for 1000x the price simply because they lack ability to bring them to market. Coltan and rare earth metals are a great example of this

>>7776520
So you're willing to redistribute your wealth to those people? Let's see some donations.

>>7776520
it's ok because they have a wealth of culture and and abundance of AIDS

>>7776520
trust me they'd do the same if they switched places. Care about your own people, first

>>7776592
you annihilated that strawman. I wonder was his rebuttal will be

and yes, I, a 23 year old closet NEET have reoccuring payments to givewell and oxfam after having volunteered with one. It's not much but I do what I can. If you're going to tell me I should donate every penny I'll point to the 100 billionaires who are literally no happier than John Doe. The hedonic treadmill is real

>>7776703
they might, but it's somewhat less likely. People have experienced poverty first hand are better able to empathize

>>7776592
donations is not the solution to the problem either, neither is redistribution.
donations may be shorttime help, but in the long term is it making the receiver depended, which is precisely NOT what you want. F.e. look up how thousands of charity organizations inflated haiti after the tsunami, and how it further destroyed the infrastructure. Its the same idea pretty much, the same counts for africa as a continent. donations won't bring anybody up if the system doesn't want them to come up. donations are part of the system. they are a way to make profit!

>>7776917
humanitarianism is a bandaid at best, and one that often carries negative consequences. Entire system needs rectification but these people are resistant to change for largely irrational reasons.

you can bet your ass they would have been the last ones to let go of slavery as well

>>7776014
Tesla would be a hardcore conservative today but you wouldn’t understand that because you don’t know shit about him because you’re from r*ddit. Please, go read about some of his personal beliefs you projecting mongrel.

>>7776854
problem is you assume they have the same mental capacity as you. If they weren't doing shitwork for pennies what do you recon they would be doing?

>>7777675
way to focus on the person he mentioned and not his point, duh. He also mentioned Einstein which was a jewish cunt

>>7777675
let me guess you read about his thoughts on feminism and now you extrapolate that to mean conservative economic values. You don't know fucking shit, so don't sling that reddit insult around in a dismissive manner. Quote him if you dare. Just try to avoid all his sympathies towards the buddhist ideal. Einstein was socialist by the way. And Tesla couldn't even understand his theories.

>>7777678
I don't assume that. I'm familiar with IQ demographics. There's a difference between getting paid fairly for shit work and being jipped by the system. There are americans who do work that would be paid 5% what it is in a developing country.

>>7775947
Monogamous marriage was literal pussy redistribution.

>>7775795
>actually believing central banker and keynesian fairy tales
AHAHAHA
you deserve to be poor you boomer scum

>>7778527
Einstein wasn't a socialist in the way you brainlets think of

>>7778527
i agree they are paid shit but they should blame their leaders who allow the corps to slave away their population. At least the corps pay something, what would they earn or do for a living without them?

>>7774847
I stopped reading after the first sentence. Fuck you.
You’re just tired of doing your shit job and want an easy way out. You’re a pussy with no backbone and no sense of responsibility.

>>7778758
i've read the essay. I know assumptions make you feel superior though

>>7778527
And he stance on eugenics? Please, he was a literal nazi. Kill your self, plebbit tard.

Life is competition, plants compete with each other for sunlight, animals compete with each other for food, planets and stars compete with each other for gravitational fields..

>>7778724
lol
>>7775795
so was there a demand for fidget spinners before they were created and a fortune was made?

>>7774892
Me thinking bout all the capitalists big dick daddy Fidel put on the wall

>>7778865
kinda true, but we must move beyond that and into cooperation, at least within our race, to better compete against chinks for example

>>7775227
Why do you expect people who live under capitalism to pretend to live under communism.

This argument has always been for brainlets

>>7778854
Just because someone was smart on physics doesn't make them smart on economics

>>7775560
>sits in the financial market

You mean adding liquidity, supplying the government with loans, supplying companies with capital, and providing hedges for manufacturers? Yes, just sitting there, so useless.

>>7778872
yeah worked out great huh, considering half the population wanted to get the fuck out of there

>>7778872
Imagine being this cucked and craving of authority
Lmao

>>7778871
Lol holy shit you central bank cucks actually want to be poor
Get the fuck off /biz/

>when capitalists attempt to use capitalist theory to explain why communism doesn't work.

It's amazing how tiny their brains are when none of this banter is applicable to communist theory or discussion.

>>7778871
but does the demand have to be in form of the actual product, or can it be a more abstract form? f.e. it could have been "people with adhd need a small thing in order for being kept busy"

>>7778935
you mean the worthless capital the fed jews have a monopoly on? commies are stupid but you people who defend this crap are worse. At least commies realize there is a problem

>>7778949
You mean like .001%

Also t. Cuban American who regularly goes back.

Bring my president back to life.

>>7778800
the corps often put those leaders in place. US industry is implicated in all of this. Look at what we did in south america with the banana plantations, or in south east asia / indonesia with textile companies.

>>7778849
I really don't understand why people feel a sense of moral outrage when someone else declares that working sucks. I'm not proclaiming that we all quit our jobs. But work sucks. You know it but continue masquerading under this guise of "work ethic" which is really just a way of describing the pointlessly convoluted and overworked life of the average 21st century man. None of us were biologically wired to be working in offices or shaping rebar like OP. Just 5,000 years ago we were all farmers and 10,000 years before that we were hunter gatherers. Evolution does not transpire that quickly. We have no attachment to our work in modern day and it doesn't mean we are bad people because we admit that. Fuck off.

>>7778953
wtf are you talking about?

>>7774847
>We need to redistribute the wealth
yeah, it needs to be redistributed straight to my pocket

I worked in construction all of my teenage years and worked my fucking ass off to save up for rental properties and stocks. I'm 27 and my back is all fucked up, i already have alot of arthritis in my neck area and some up and down my spine.

But guess what? i don't work anymore, i worked my ass off and played it smart with my money.

It's not how much money you make, but what you do with the money that you make.
~Anon

>>7779000
checked. There where many products for that before the stupid spinners. There were also cellphones before iPhone so no, demand doesnt create business. Business creates the need, because when people see something new and shiny that everyone is buying they go 'i want that too'. People are stupid

>>7774847
>The whole world is full of hate and greed and envy

Easily could be fixed by getting rid of jealous blacks, greedy kikes, and racist beaners

>>7778976
>stop using actual logic to refute my fairy tales
No wonder socialists are literal brainlets and their countries have all fallen apart.

>>7779012
hope that jew castro is suffering in the afterlife, and you stay in your damn island faggot

>>7779021
You summarized my thoughts well. There is no nobility is most work nowadays, for a good 80-90% of the population working plain sucks.

>>7779012
Lmao imagine having this much of a DESIRE to be a literal slave

KILL

YOUR

SELF

>>7779021
well then my point still stands, they are too conformed or stupid to do anything about it, like replacing their leaders or an actual coup with blood and shit

>>7778861
>conservatism
>eugenics

pick 1 you fucking faggot. Eugenics is a government program. And yes it very well will be instituted by 2100. And I welcome such a thing as it will ensure less human suffering

>>7779117
thats cause people dont see the fruit of their labour, they just see the monthly paycheck. Work is good, if it makes people feel worthy

>>7779120
that's an oversimplification. There's a litany of good independent documentaries on all of this. It's really easy to propose solutions without understanding the depths of their entrenchment

>>7779118
dude just leave, go live by yourself on an island far away from people and 'authority'. Ancaps are pure autism

>>7779085
Eh things aren't so bad man. Just got back from Pinar Del Rio. Basically a mountain village.

>>7779207
i know just messing with you, its complicated stuff but just know that getting rid of the corps and their corrupt govt wont magically solve their problems, they will still live like shit compared to us

>>7779182
it makes mildly intelligent people feel worthy until they open their eyes and realize that 90% of what capitalism produces is useless garbage that is meant to distract us.

free market economists loves to push this scarcity meme on us, but that very market does not function without abundant consumption.

nobody evolved to need a porsche or a 20,000 square foot home or a yacht or even the more trivial shit. If you did not live in a society you would have no inclination towards these things. Capitalism does not work unless people convince us we need this materialistic trash. It does nothing to improve one's happiness.

in 2018 we have extended lifespan, we have modern medicine, we have interplanetary space travel soon, and so much more. Yet our hedonic setpoint and emotional stability is nearly the same as it was hundreds of years ago.

Even if you redistributed all the wealth evenly, in two years time there would be rich people and poor people again.

>>7779208
>if you're against insane amounts of excessive authoritarianism that means you're against rules in general
This is what socialists actually fucking believe

>>7779216
Literally a poverty ridden shithole compared to Switzerland which is one of the most capitalist countries on earth.

Socialists need to fucking die so others can be free.

>>7779426
>if you want govt, regulation or authority you are a socialist
this is what retarded ancaps believe

>>7779060
The demand is not for a specific item or thing. For example no one demanded cars before they were invented of course. However, there always IS a demand for products that improve quality of life. Think of it this way, if everyone was poor and had no money, a company that employs people to make iPhones is not gonna improve anyone's economic condition, it's gonna go out of business and no jobs will be gained. Spendable income and by extension demand is a condition for market growth and economic development. If everyone enjoyed extra income then now iPhones can be made and sold, growing the economy. Markets need both supply and demand but demand is the first prerequisite.

>>7779309
we didnt evolve to need printing presses, cars, trains, planes, electricity or computers either but we build shit cause we are smart and work for ways to make our lives easier. I agree there is a lot of useless crap, but saying 90% of produce is useless is a stretch. About 20-30% of workforce is spent on this useless crap, rest is production of essential stuff for our modern lives

>>7779476
Nope
No ancap/libertarian EVER said this.
Socialist brainlets however constantly say this.
Please kill yourself bootlicker.

>>7774847

>>7779503
the spendable income should go straight to improving infrastructure and services, not useless gadgets. This is the problem with your model, and thinking in terms of money and not work force and work capacity, which is whats truly valuable

Socialists in this thread CAN NOT refute this:
>>7775185

>>7779606
thats what ive observed whenever someone says we should regulate this or govt should do that, ancaps shouting socialist! at least on these parts

>>7779503
nobody was any worse off because iphone's did not exist

people make the mistake of equating these two scenarios. If Iphones were to disappear today, yes lots of people would become unhappy and life more difficult in some ways

but the reverse is not true. Think about it. Are you unhappy because you don't have a jetpack to commute to work with? Of course not. And maybe when it's created you will be happy for a while. But you habituate. It is human nature. If these thousands of devices that were supposedly so profound in improving the human condition actually did that, we would be unrecognizable from humans. We largely experience the same emotions at the same frequencies as humans of 300 years ago or as early as you want to go.

>>7775759
teachers should be paid at least 45 grand a year
and there should be strict criteria for extra bonus
for every inspiring teacher there is 4 shit retards

>>7779655
You're lying.
Nobody says this.
You're making shut up because socialists are compulsive liars.
Covenant
Government regulation is stupid as fuck but it's not socialist, socialism is another form of retardation.

>>7775734
Teachers are overpaid parasites.

>>7779702
you are way detached from reality. I couldnt expect less from an ancap, pure autism

>>7779702
legitimately braindead. kill yourself

>>7778724
How can you defend non-empirical economics, at least Marx used some empirical data to support his case. Say it with me, Austrian economics is not based in reality and is based on a subjective outdated view of human nature. Your deluded as a utopian socialist if you believe that a theory not based in the real world has any kind of merit. If you want theory which isn't based on an idealized view of the world but is still free market try Chicago school.

>>7779782
>>7779743
No argument.
I told you guys socialists are fucking braindead bootlickers.

>>7777777

>>7779808
Austrian school uses empiricism in economics all of the time.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>7779702
Hahah ancap is mad. Way to deluded youself into thing your any better then socialists. You complain about a strawman when you turn around and generalize and insult your opponent.

We seriously need to kill every socialist on the planet.

Why not?
I want to have 2 day work weeks and everyone around me to have high living standards. The only way to do this is to kill socialists and central bankers.

>>7779903
>he still thinks in an ancap
>he unironically believes anyone who isn't a socialist like him is an ancap
AHAHAHAHAHA
Authority craving lefttard is asspained.

>>7779908
wow, you and who else will kill every socialist? your army without a leader? kys

This entire thread

>>7779933
its pretty obvious you are ancap or the less extreme libertard, which is the most retarded. At least ancap have the balls to admit they dont believe in hierarchies, you stand in the middle like a pussy

>>7779990
Holy shit you absolute brainlet.
I'm a libertarian.
Why would I not believe in hierarchies?

You just get more and more btfo with every post you make.

>>7779869
From from the horse's mouth: Ludwig von Mises inHuman Action :
"No laboratory experiments can be performed with regard to human action ... Its statements and propositions are not derived from experience. They are, like those of logic and mathematics, a priori. They are not subject to verification or falsification on the ground of experience and facts. "

You want more?

>>7779977
wow great contribution there, feeling smart?

>>7780028
thats what i said, you are libertarian, which is the most retarded ideology after communism. We just call you libertards

>>7780039
>thinks mises comprises the entire austrian school
The absolute state of (you).

>>7780039
dont expect this autist to understand his own ideology, he's just a soft anarchist stuck in teenage rage phase

>>7780064
>u-ur dum
I absolutely love when you leftist manchildren have no arguments of your own so you just throw around insults
Pathetic

>>7780148
and your arguments are?

>>7779309
I'm curious, what kind of society would be your ideal? I am genuinely curious.

>>7780159
he sounds like your average hippie

>>7780156
Central banks cause massive economic destruction and freer markets lead to higher living standards empirically.

Also socialists need to be thrown from helicopters.

>>7780196
hippies are quite synonymous with luddites which I am not

technology is going to rapidly transform the world as we know it, from AI (it's not just a meme, I study machine learning) to genetic engineering. I never understood why people spend so much time debating economic theories other than for the fun of it. Those antiquated rules won't apply in a transhumanist world. We must try to navigate the future as best we can.

>>7780239
so you're ok with banks if there is no central bank?
im against central banks too, see?
free market leads to wealth concentration and globalization, its inevitable. Agree with the helicopter stuff, if we're talking about hardline commies not your average 'wanna improve the world' normie socialist

>>7780114
t. Preteen socialist anarchist stuck in rebellious phrase
I bet you think all evolution stops at the neck too, you brainlet

>>7780292
so you welcome transhumanism? holy shit..

>>7780308
wtf are you on about you bitch, how about you read all my posts this is a long thread now. Anarchist lmao. Struck a nerve huh? libertard

>>7780293
>so you're ok with banks if there is no central bank?
Yes, I want free banking.

>free market leads to wealth concentration
And a higher living standard for everybody.
Do you understand what "wealth" even means in this context?

>and globalization
It's not free markets that do that, its government policy

>>7774847

Good luck undoing 4 billion years of evolution teaching us the exact opposite course.

>>7780333
t. Socialist anarchist
Lel

>>7780319
it's inevitable. As long as we possess human cognition, the scientific method and subsequent technology will persist, no matter how many times you nuke the planet back to the stone age.

we either go back to agrarian times and wait for the next asteroid / epidemic / whatever to wipe us out, which is a statistical certainty, relegating us a spot in the universal history book as just another evolutionary cul-de-sac, OR we transcend. I opt for the latter

>>7779012
Cuba is still poor as fuck with less opportunity for the lower class than the US.

If you think housing fuckery contributed to financial disparity in the US, Cuba pretty much enforced housing fuckery.

Ya Cuba is better than their shit hole neighbors but that has nothing to do with market structure or government. The fucking Taliban would look successful when compared to Haiti or pre Fidel Cuba.

>>7775427
>I want the world to go into a recession

The greatest imbalances of wealth occur during recessions. The rich get richer. Or are you just that dumb?

>>7780338
>free banking
so you wanna open your own bank to lend to live off interest? parasite
>higher living standard for everybody
just no. Keep thinking money is true wealth though, this is how autistic you people are
>govt policy
soo without govt policy your corps would be using local labour instead of cheap 3rd world labour, right..
>>7780372
how in the fuck you think im anarchist, holy shit you are stupid or cant read

>>7780108
Nice no true scotsman, how about Rothbard in
Praxeology: The Methodology of Austrian Economics

"Apart from the fact that these conclusions cannot be "tested" by historical or statistical means, there is no need to test them since their truth has already been established."

Want another?

>>7780396
why either this or that? We dont have to merge with fucking machines, nor do we have to go back to agrarian times. Go stick a chip on your brain i prefer to stay human

>>7780444
give him a break he just wants some blood. We all do, we are violent creatures

>>7780514
99.9% of people prefer that. But what about the other 0.1%. They are already pursuing these enhancements.

the biggest fail of conservatism is pushing for "traditional" values but hailing market growth over all else. Market growth is always accompanied by technological progress and it only moves in one direction.

this stuff always seems scary from the outset. But it doesn't happen all at once. We don't throw the frog into boiling water. The water slowly comes to a boil. Even today science is normalizing things that 50 years ago would have evoked a response similar to yours. When things are gradual we don't take notice.

>>7780483
btfo

>>7780483
I can list more examples, just accept that its not based on empirical facts or reality.

>>7780595
the fact its inevitable doesnt mean we should be in favour. I look forward to the last stand of humans against cyborgs in the bloodiest conflict ever

>>7774847
As great as it sounds, it's still communist. Don't get me wrong I'm all for helping people. Socialist values do carry some weight to them in my opinion. But in a capitalist society, Communism won't work. What we have to do is learn to save more rather than blowing it all as soon as we get it. Not only on an individual level but on a federal level and a business level. I also believe AI in the workforce is inevitable and they'll be used everywhere which will ultimately force humanity out of jobs and onto the streets if we don't limit the Use of AI in the workforce.

>>7780405
>Cuba is still poor as fuck

Cuba is the worst at everything. Visited last year.

I stayed in their best hotel. I ate at their best restaurants. Worst food I've ever had.

80% of the city is falling down. Internet is monitored by the government. The 1-ply toilet paper scratched my ass. Toothpaste was awful. Shit buses made in China. Garbage Russian made taxis.

Everyone watching what everyone is doing. Tried to tip our guide, who was excellent, but she couldn't take it in public. Citizens are scared shitless of their government.

They sure loved our American money though over their government issued shit dollars. They made that clear.

>>7780622
dude dont even bother. See how quick the autist libertard vanished from the thread

>>7780692
thats the wrong way of seeing it. Technology should free us from menial labour so we have more free time to do creative work and stuff. But yeah in our current system, machines and AI taking all jobs would mean mass poverty and an uber elite living in giant, luxurious space stations

>>7780458
>so you wanna open your own bank to lend to live off interest? parasite
You're the parasite.
Central banking is bad.
Deflation leads to higher living standards.
There's nothing wrong with interest you economic brainlet.
>higher living standard for everybody
>just no. Keep thinking money is true >wealth though, this is how autistic you >people are
Holy shit and you call me autistic.
You're a fucking retard.
How is money not true wealth? Nobody cares about your artsy faggoty metaphysical concept of wealth.
>govt policy
>soo without govt policy your corps would be using local labour instead of cheap 3rd world labour, right..
Since capital goods would be much cheaper here, a lot more things would be produced here.

>>7780686
I don't think it will be as cinematic of a transition as you wish but fair enough. I'm out now, it was mildly nice talking to you. Fairly reasonable guy

>>7780483
How is rothbard and mises wrong though?
You literally cannot disprove them.

Economics doesn't have "controls" so using science to study economics makes no sense.
Also mises and either use real world examples in their arguments all of the time

lol the only time a libertarian ideology was ever tried it was backed by a literal pedophile enabler in Chile

L-o-L Makes sense the libertarians these days also want to bone kids.

Absolute jokes lmao

>>7780396
The only transhumanism that is possible is through free market capitalism

>>7780884
>nothing wrong with interest
spoken like a true jew
>how is money not true wealth?
printed indefinitely by the central banks you so much oppose, and dont bring me that gold backed money shit.. I'll make it simple for you: people are wealth, people and the time they spent building and producing the shit you consume
>cheaper here
whatever is cheaper in your soil to produce, is already being produce there, thats free market

I MAKE THE TING GO SKRRRRAAAAH BIP POP POP POP

>>7780940
Pinochet was literally /our guy/ and Chile is the most prosperous country in South America thanks to him

Socialists utterly BTFO

>>7780888
good luck with your career, consider the fact that trascendence is spiritual and no machine can achive that, even if you dont believe in such stuff

>>7780983
lmao you dont know shit about chile, just shut the fuck up

>>7780964
>spoken like a true jew
Lol neetsoc trash.
Nobody will lend to increase economic production without interest.

>people are wealth
No economic production is real wealth.

>whatever is cheaper in your soil to produce, is already being produce there, thats free market
There's nothing really wrong with producing shit in other countries.
If we had a deflationary currency this would only create a massive high paying service sector industry and most people would be retired.
Now all we have is a low paying service sector industry with high unemployment.

>>7775185
>The working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods.

So the middle class and the upper class consume 1% of stuff together? This is one of those statistics that's only true if you accept special definitions of words like "working class". i.e. it's bullshit.

>>7780983
>executed thousands by calling them "marxists" aka pretty much anyone that spoke out against the govt

Also

>financial success is his only metric for a successful society
According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Comisión), the número of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed. In addition, some 200,000 pueblo suffered exile and an unknown número went through clandestine centers and illegal detention.


I realize im calling the kettle black but great job! Pick your poison man.

A Cuban has no right to establish an independent newspaper. Any Guatemalan does – but if the newspaper becomes too strident, its editor might be killed. A Cuban mayo not form a political party. Any Haitian can – but if he speaks too stridently, he will be in danger. A Haitian is also far more likely to die in an earthquake than a Cuban, not because naturally is kinder to Cubans but because Cuban society is sufficiently organised to provide its citizens with the essential benefits of a coherent state.

>>7781144
oh wow i fucked up the structure on this post.

>>7781041
>lend to increase economic production
see in your autistic view, only through lending can business be started. You got it all backwards and your thinking is the reason banks rule the world and we got economic depression every X years, inevitable and expected and taken as normal economic behaviour
>economic production is real wealth
and who produces? gnomes? elephants? no, fucking people, you stupid
>if we had a deflationary currency
then nobody would spend it cause its value grows over time, see btc and gold
>nothing wrong in producing shit in other countries
you should only import what others produce, which is difficult or impossible to produce locally not send half your factories overseas cause its way cheaper, thats what free market does
>now all we have is low paying
cause you have no local industry thanks to your free market, faggot

>>7780983
Been to Peru, Brazil and Chile and Chile by far seemed the most economically developed. Anecdotal evidence I know. I really don’t know what life was like under Pinochet or what he did, but it worked as far as I can tell.

>>7781160
cause you're a brainlet commie. Get the fuck out

>>7776030
>Properly educating our young is good
>Properly
That's the mistake. US education sucks dick compared to what they charge. Fuck that whole system

>>7781049
>So the middle class and the upper class consume 1% of stuff together?
the middle class includes the working class dipshit.

>>7781144
>but because Cuban society is sufficiently organised to provide its citizens with the essential benefits of a coherent state.
Cuban citizens have some of the lowest living standards on earth though.
you're an idiot

>>7781172
>only through lending can business be started
No, one of the major factors leading to the creation of new businesses in a free market is SAVINGS, all which is vastly increased when there is no central bank because the value of all money saved increases

lending is STILL required though, regulating it out of existence will have disastrous economic effects and make society poorer

>your thinking is the reason banks rule the world and we got economic depression every X years
NOPE
lol central banking is causing that, we're trying to stop it

>and who produces? gnomes? elephants? no, fucking people, you stupid
Yes, but people are nothing without WEALTH and that wealth is economic production

>then nobody would spend it cause its value grows over time
This fallacy has been refuted a million times.
Nobody wants to live in your debt slavery world, faggot.
The industrial revolution in USA happened under a deflationary currency. It obviously wasn't a bad thing.

>which is difficult or impossible to produce locally not send half your factories overseas cause its way cheaper, thats what free market does
What sent factories overseas was the government overregulating industry and making capital MORE expensive thanks to inflation. These are the main reasons it's hard to build factories in the USA.
It's NOT the free market that did this, it's government.

kys

>>7775790
>hitler

>ideologically anti-white
>killed more white people than any person in history
>pseudoscientific views on race that damage the white identity movement
>batshit insane views on economics

yeah nah fuck shitler

>>7781523
nothing wrong with lending. Lending with INTEREST is the problem, cause you create a parasitic class (banker class) which does literally nothing but give money and take more money, which snowballs into them becoming the rulers of your society. Lending shouldnt be profitable but government issued without interest, only to business which does good to the whole of society, as in improving infrastructure and services for everyone. Dont forget you live in a society with other people and its in your interest that they are well off or it will bite you in the ass sooner than later
>central banking is causing that
and how do you think central banking happened? it just popped up? it is the logical conclusion of charging interest on loans and the forming of the banker class
>people are nothing without
people are literally the economy. They wake up everyday and go to work to keep things going, to keep the economy going. What do you get when your people are stupid and lazy? A shithole country. You could lend millions to niggers in africa, they'd spend it on weapons drugs and lambos, zero infrastructure or industry, their country would become shithole again in like 2 years
>the industrial revolution in USA happened because deflationary currency
no, it happened due to the smarts and hard work of PEOPLE wanting a prosperous nation
>govt sent factories overseas
you could lower wages and cut taxes, make it really easy to build factories in USA, corps would still produce shit in china cause it would still be cheaper. Its all about profit in your model, and cheaper produce -> more profit

kys

>>7774847
You plebiam fucking faggot. You are literally promoting comunism and bitching about tying rebar.

Try hauling hay or offshore drilling newfaggot.


Seriously just kys

>>7781550
yet he was trying to kill all commies, your wet dream. But daddy usa had to step in cause you know, those poor jews

>>7774847
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>>7781731
Imagine
>kill the guys killing the commies
>give the commies a handshake
>do nothing to stop them from taking more land and seizing power while mass killing people off in state-controlled famines or worse
>ignore it and plunder the parts that you took
>oh no they don't want to cooperate with me anymore
>oh fuck these dirty commies were bad all along
>go into a 40 year long cold war
>come out with your own country subverted into commies
>at least the wall came down amirite
The mind of a zog puppet in a nutshell.

>>7781550
Never forget Marx, your nemesis, was a jew

>>7781815
lmao exactly. Thats the average burger brain at work

>>7781708
>nothing wrong with lending. Lending with INTEREST is the problem
hardly anybody will lend if they have no financial incentive to lend you absolute brainlet

>cause you create a parasitic class (banker class) which does literally nothing but give money and take more money
And PLAN THE STRUCTURE OF PRODUCTION, an extremely important part of the economy which you foolishly downplay.
The problem happens when they get government power to do things they wouldn't normally do.


>Lending shouldnt be profitable but government issued without interest
TOP KEK
So the government should just PRINT MONEY and lend it to whoever the fuck they think should get it?
This is a recipe for corruption and disaster.
I thought you were against central banking?

>only to business which does good to the whole of society, as in improving infrastructure and services for everyone
The government shouldn't be the ones deciding that.
SOCIETY ITSELF should.
Whichever venture is PROFITABLE should be the firms that are lent to.

>and how do you think central banking happened? it just popped up? it is the logical conclusion of charging interest on loans and the forming of the banker class
kek USA had decades and decades of successful economic growth without central banking.
The problem is people have no idea what it is and what it does and need to be educated on how bad it is.
>What do you get when your people are stupid and lazy?
Relax faggot, I'm a white nationalist.

>no, it happened due to the smarts and hard work of PEOPLE wanting a prosperous nation
It happened due to BOTH things. Without both of these things there would be no nation.

>>7781708
>you could lower wages and cut taxes
Lower wages?
As if the govt can magically lower wages lmao

>corps would still produce shit in china cause it would still be cheaper
What if capital is cheaper in the USA thanks to mass production of capital?
Then everyone would use USA labour.
Also even if you didn't have a manufacturing base, you could still have extremely high wages and a service sector economy ONLY IF you had a deflationary currency where the price of consumer and capital goods comes down.

kys

>>7781815
I didn't support USA going into WW2 whatsoever.

>>7775056
The parasitic class will own the robots which will separate your limbs from your body, cucklord.

>>7775891
Monarchy by AI, boys. It's the way of the future.

>>7781453
Yeah I agree. Our admin costs are fucking insane. You would think teachers are paid considering how much money we spend, where the fuck does our money go.

>>7781982
>where the fuck does our money go.
WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE

all which trump is doing nothing to address

>>7781940
Have you ever had sci-fi hahaha . I feel like half the plots are about ai that becomes evil.

>>7774847
>My back is starting to give out on me and I can't help but think there are people who bought Amazon or google Stocks years ago and are making mullions and billions sitting on their fucking ass. How is that fair exactly? It's not.

They were smart. You were stupid.

Also pinko commie red i put you on list.

>>7781849
>financial incentive
so in your view everything is about profit, so if there is no profit then to hell with it. Hey education and medicine is getting too expensive and there is no profit, fuck them. Sending a rocket to space? where is the profit? fuck it. Research? no money involved? fuck it.
>plan the structure of production
so that should be banker job? competent govt can do better, but you are so used to incompetent govt that you think the idea of govt is flawed or evil
>So the government should just PRINT MONEY and lend it to whoever the fuck they think should get it?
Yes, government can do that and much more. Its easier to macro manage a whole country with a reduced number of highly skilled and intelligent people in charge than letting the market flow by itself. Fuck our electric infrastructure is shit but nobody gives a fuck cause the market demands more japanese cars
Im against banks which charge interest, a govt run central bank which doesnt is fine
>Society itself should
society cant agree on the most tribial shit and you want it to agree on economic policy? just no.. The people back a government with competent people in its respective areas which do the job way better than millions of brainlets like you
>PROFITABLE
again.. say crypto is the most profitable shit now so dozens of crypto business pop up, yet its pure speculation and they dont produce shit, billions are poured into it while you're left with rotting infrastructure and industry. Good luck with your capitalist autism
>usa had
didnt adress my point
>relax im a white nationalist
you may be white but you think like a jew, you dont fool anyone
>deflationary currency
currency should be issued in accordance to production. If done right prices stay stable and there is no inflation. Also no taxes, but you wouldnt get it cause you're stuck in your economic view and refuse to think outside your box

>>7777777

>>7775185
This is actually a pretty good point. Those millions stacked by apple are as good as burned. But as soon as you distribute them, the velocity increase will produce inflation. It is incredible some people don't have this fact in mind. We will be fucked when apple starts to buy consumer goods for no reason with their millions

>>7781867
>as if the govt can magically
give it enough power and it can work more than magic but you are too afraid of powerful people to even consider it. Maybe inside every libertard is this yearn to be in charge and powerful so you are just envious of them.
>mass production of capital
>production of capital
as in printing endless shit dollars and lending them with interest? lol
>i didnt support usa helping get rid of what you called "shitler"
ok

total world wealth: $280T approx
total world pop: 7.6B approx

total world wealth per person: $36,000 approx

nobody is going to be happy with a $36k net worth

>>7782131
why would it cause mass inflation if there is the same amount of $ in circulation, only it changed hands?

>>7782168

because money stored in bank accounts is not being spent, it is not bidding up prices

>>7782168
>>7782215

in other words the amount of stuff for sale doesn't change, but the amount of money trying to be spent is suddenly much higher

>>7782234
ah right i get it, so what is apple doing now with those millions stacked?

>>7782255
>>7782215
didnt read this one. Just sitting in bank accounts ok. Such waste

>>7782094
>so in your view everything is about profit
No brainlet, I'm just describing human nature. You however are making prescriptions about what you THINK humans should act like.
>so if there is no profit then to hell with it
LOL
If you can't make money off some economic venture why would you do it?
People work to enjoy their lives, support their family and eventually retire.
Why would they risk everything for nothing?
Are you this dumb?

>Hey education and medicine is getting too expensive and there is no profit, fuck them.
If it's getting too expensive that means there is TONS of profit you fucking idiot AHAHAHAHA
>Sending a rocket to space? where is the profit? fuck it.
There's tons of money to be made in space though. The space industry is already starting to explode.

>Research? no money involved? fuck it.
Private companies research all of the time.
Also basic research can be funded with donations, all which people will have a lot more of because of deflation and super low taxes.

>>7782144
80% of the world would honestly, but then those $36k would lose their meaning since everyone else have them

>>7775099
my uncle always told me this. At 19 i disagreed.
Now at 26 i understand him completely.

>>7782094
>so that should be banker job? competent govt can do better
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You TRULY are a brainlet, holy shit.
A banker or even a simple working class INVESTOR knows more about society's wants and needs than some gov bureaucrat. They have to respond to the profit motive, if they lend money to some shit project and it fails then they don't get profit and lose their money.
Governments are never competent, they have almost no incentive to do the correct thing. If a government lends money to someone and they fail, the government just gets more money to try again harder.
ALSO if there is no profit motive then it's completely unknown whether or not a project was a boom to society or is draining society's resources.
>Yes, government can do that and much more.
KEK
Printing money by itself lowers living standards for people by causing inflation and making their prices more expensive. Printing money and lending it out to failed projects is even worse, it wastes everything society has built up. People that support the government printing money need a bullet in the head.
I thought you were against central banks
> Its easier to macro manage a whole country
No it's not you fucking commie, history has shown it's incredibly difficult.
>reduced number of highly skilled and intelligent people in charge than letting the market flow by itself.
Top kek, I already proved it's the exact opposite.
Society knows whats best and doesn't need scumbags at the top controlling everyone.
>Im against banks which charge interest, a govt run central bank which doesnt is fine
It essentially IS charging interest though by lowering living standards with inflation you gigantic fucking idiot.
Fuck your third worldist economic policies.

>>7780933
>You cannot disprove a theory which states that is cannot be disproved
DUUUH
It's like saying "You cannot disprove that god exists"
I'm sorry but he btfod you so much

>>7782094
>society cant agree on the most tribial shit and you want it to agree on economic policy?
Yes because when people do shit economically, what their best interests are are exposed and are highly visible.
>The people back a government with competent people in its respective areas which do the job way better than millions of brainlets like you
LOL yet your system has failed a million fucking times and counting
>hurr we just don't have the right people at the top controlling everyone
go move to Venezuela you authority craving cucklord
>say crypto is the most profitable shit now
The ONLY reason crypto is exploding is because the central bank is printing money and some of that money is going into alternatives to fiat currency. If there was no central bank crypto would not be profitable.
>you may be white but you think like a jew
>hurrr we need to control everyone because whites are too dumb to control them selves
okay kike
>currency should be issued in accordance to production. If done right prices stay stable and there is no inflation.
You literally said you want to print money. If you are printing money and spending it, it WILL cause inflation you absolute brainlet.
>you wouldnt get it cause you're stuck in your economic view and refuse to think outside your box
The irony lmao

>>7775099
If you’re not a socialist when you’re 20, you have no heart. If you’re still a socialist when you’re 30, you have no brain
-Winston Churchill

>>7774847
>You should be paid the same as everyone else so that everyone can have it fair.
tldr obvious copypasta troll is obvious
3/10 as you managed to get all the children of /biz/ to respond

>>7779002
Now just providing a solution that won't break down society.

Russia, North Korea and Cuba have been such lovely places to live.

>>7782339
You can debunk mises and rothbard praxeology.
Just debunk what they are saying on LOGICAL grounds rather than empirical. They built up and entire economic field on logical principals alone.

You can't do this because you're a literal brainlet lmao.

It's like you people are saying science is superior to math in validity when it's actually the opposite.

>>7781815
We knew the commies were the bad guys from the beginning, look up Operation Unthinkable dude

>>7782381
To build a field on logic alone, you would have to fix axiom, and if one of these axiom doesn't perfectly represent reality the entire theory is false retard, even if all the logical development is correct.

>>7782308
profit isnt human nature. Drugs are really profitable but they screw society. In your view they should be legalized and widely consumed cause its profitable and good for the economy. You lack morals.
>Its ok to make money off some venture thats how business works, but if you let it run wild you end up with my previous point, whats profitable dictates everything with no regards to the direction the nation is going
>if its getting too expensive
i meant expensive to invest in, as in build hospitals and schools. Who do you think builds that shit?
>space industry
really? how are they making money exactly? what are they producing? extracting? Govt spending doesnt count
>they research in the hope they will later produce something that they can sell. The priority of research is on stuff that will give the most money, even if not the most useful

ignored the rest of my points. You lack the vision to realize a society based on your values would be full of scammers and there would be no sense of bondship with your countrymen. You cant have a nation this way. The best at scamming and speculating would climb, corps would get bigger and bigger and finally any sense of nation would dissapear. But libertards dont care about that, just money and 'muh freedom to do as i please'

>>7782460
>you would have to fix axiom, and if one of these axiom doesn't perfectly represent reality the entire theory is false retard
Sure.
But most of the economics of mises and rothbard deal with the IMPLICATIONS of said axioms.

If you could disprove any of these things then you've disproved austrian economics.
Looks like you're going to have a hard time.

>>7782337
again you are too fixated on your incompetent govt past history to see any merit in a well run govt, no point in arguing more with you. Kindly fuck off

>>7782352
there is no inflation if there is an increase of goods produced in accordance to the money being printed. Inflation is reflected in PRICES, you fucking brainlet

>>7782404
then why did you get involved

>>7782477
>profit isnt human nature
I didn't say this.
That's like saying "televisions are not human nature".
That sentence doesn't even make sense.
People act in their self interest and to a lesser extent to the interests of their family and friends.
If you've made profit it means people have voluntarily bought your product or service and you are BENEFITING them. It's a signal that shows you've bettered society.
>Drugs are really profitable but they screw society.
All drugs should be illegal so the price comes down dramatically so there would be much less profit.
>and widely consumed
No, they only benefit the person buying them and only short term.
Drug addictions can be helped by friends, families, support groups etc.
>You lack morals.
Nope.
>as in build hospitals and schools.
But it's the government making these things expensive in the first place.
>really? how are they making money exactly? what are they producing? extracting?
When asteroid mining develops it's going to be extremely profitable.
Space exploration NOW is a waste of society's resources and nasa should have never existed unless it was voluntarily funded. We need to build up more capital first so we will have the mass produced capital and resources to profitably go to space.

>ignored the rest of my points
No, I made THREE FUCKING POSTS against your points and you replied with a measly half post.

>full of scammers
Scamming and fraud is illegal in a free market, brainlet. Also consumer reporting groups would be huge in a free market and companies would advertise they are part of these groups.

>no sense of bondship with your countrymen
This is so stupid and makes no sense.
You want to use violence against my countrymen and make us all poor with central banking.
I want ORGANIC communities.

>>7782381
>calls me kike
>his hero Mises was a kike

>>7782477
>corps would get bigger and bigger
There would be no corporations under a free market.
The corporate structure is the creation of the state.

>and finally any sense of nation would dissapear
How do large firms somehow destroy the sense of nation? lol

>But libertards dont care about that, just money and 'muh freedom to do as i please'
Your policies are anti-white and pro third world
notice how all third world shitholes have the same policies as you
you people are anti-civilization

>>7782497
>n your incompetent govt past history to see any merit in a well run govt
Govt by themselves are incompetent, they have no mechanism in place to prevent being incompetent so they are extremely incompetent.
Also the fact they get to use violence against people makes them more incompetent and LAZY
If they fail they just get MORE MONEY
Fuck them.
It's like a scam you are FORCED to participate in.

>>7782553
>there is no inflation if there is an increase of goods produced
AHAHAHAHAHA
>governments will always know what the best thing to invest in and diverting resources from the production of consumer goods to achieve this will magically not cause inflation
my sides

You people are fucking dreamers, on par with communists.

>>7782652
Mises was a fucking white nationalist you gigantic idiot. He supported every euro country having their own ethnic nationalism and borders but peacefully trading with each other.

also rothbard was close friends with Jared Taylor and supported breaking up the USA on racial lines.

Hoppe is a white nationalist that let Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor speak at his conferences.

KILL YOUR SELF you anti-white parasite

>>7782641
so if your product are piercings how are you bettering society? if you sell meth or cigarrettes, how are you bettering society?
Profit doesnt always means doing good. Yes you satisfy a demand, but that demand may not be natural but imposed by endless advertising or stupid, destructive trends.
>all drugs should be illegal
hey we got us an enforcing commie here! who are you to say whats legal and illegal?
>they only benefit the person buying them
how exactly? im talking about recreative drugs like cocaine. It only benefits the seller, the buyer fucks himselfs
>govt
say there is little govt and there is a town with like 400 people that needs a hospital but no company will build it cause they have to charge like crazy and nobody will use it. How do you solve this
>develops
you said its was already starting to explode. We are decades away from asteroid mining
>three posts
yea they showed up later
>illegal in a free market
so you want to regulate?
>consumer reporting groups
riight, who do i trust? its like crypto. "buy this sirs good company sirs"
>organic communities
in a dog eat dog, pure profit driven country? yeah good luck

>>7782675
soo no companies would buy smaller ones in your ideal world, right? no monopolies would be formed, endless competition right? how do you compete against the established mining companies? you gonna start your own? lmao
>how do large firms
by importing cheap labour like its happening now? why pay your country man this when this shitskin works for half, its all about profit and dont tell me they would give a shit about it
>you people are anti-civilization
no, you are. Notice all great civilizations in history had strong leaders, and their word was law. How many examples can you pull out of your retarded ideology? exactly..
>govts by themselves are incompetent
as opposed to? again, there has always been govt and there always will, fucking deal with it or become a hermit away from society
>they get to use violence against people
ooh because in your perfect world violence would dissapear!
>forced
again, go live in the woods nobody gives a shit
>AHAHAHA
nice argument. If you are producing more of something, prices go down. If you dont sell it all then you are overproducing, you cut it. Price go up again. You can reach a balance in price with all goods but only if you central plan the economy.
>on par with communists
well at least you're not calling me a commie anymore, geez..

>>7782818
>so if your product are piercings how are you bettering society?
If you don't like piercings, blame the people DEMANDING piercings you idiot.

>if you sell meth or cigarrettes, how are you bettering society?
Some people like to smoke, blame them.

Why are you using these examples of niche industries when we are talking about the economy as a whole.
What about food?
What if there is a company with a great idea for an automated vertical farm.
In your ideal world their success will not depend on whether or not they can get the price of food down enough to benefit consumers, but if some government scumbags will lend to them.
What a bunch of bullshit.
It's society that should make these decisions. Not YOU.

>hey we got us an enforcing commie here! who are you to say whats legal and illegal?
I meant to say LEGAL, I made a typo.
Incredible you couldn't pick up on that looking at the context.
>the buyer fucks himselfs
The buyer has a fun fucking time short term, idiot.

>say there is little govt and there is a town with like 400 people that needs a hospital but no company will build it cause they have to charge like crazy and nobody will use it.
lmao, first off prices are expensive because of the govt, secondly, a hospitable would be incredibly expensive because TONS of people would use it.
what is even your argument?

>you said its was already starting to explode. We are decades away from asteroid mining
It's "exploding" in the sense it's miles away from where it was 10 years ago, it still has decades until we reach AM levels.
>yea they showed up later
Yes, a minute or so later because it takes a minute cooldown in between posts. Are you new?
>riight, who do i trust?
Society, you anti-social fuck.
Consumer reporting groups are socially based.

>in a dog eat dog, pure profit driven country? yeah good luck
But you're horribly wrong.
People naturally organically form communities, no unnatural government violence is required
PIC FUCKING RELATED
kys anti social fuck

>>7782717
>a jew was a white nationalist
top kek

>>7783001
>jews can't support white nationalism because I said so
lmao

>ignoring the rest of my post
lmao

>>7782992
>blame the people
most people dont know better, thats why they need a strong moral foundation which if not realized by themselves must be imposed by people who DO know better. Yes, there is such people, or are you gonna claim we are all equal and there is no superior people, like the commies say?
>blame them
again, they dont know better. If you let them smoke or take drugs, others, especially kids which are impresionable, may imitate the behaviour. You dont put any stop in that, you have a weak population. Thats how it is
>legal
yeah should've guessed. So yeah, no morals. Drugs are cool and shit eh. Go talk with some hardcore methhead, now imagine 20% of your population doing it and trying to keep the country together.
>hospital
my argument is that according to you, if its not profitable there is no incentive to do it, even though there may be a real need and would help people
>naturally organically form communities
examples? name a great civilization without government

>>7782971
>no monopolies would be formed
monopolies a function of the state
name one free market monopoly
inb4 debeers or standard oil

>by importing cheap labour like its happening now?
Illegal under a white nationalist ethnostate.

>no, you are.
Your economic policies are used by third world shitholes.
>Notice all great civilizations in history had strong leaders
LOL SO DO THIRD WORLD SHITHOLES AND COMMUNIST COUNTRIES
This isn't a good argument at all.
Whites are smart enough to lead themselves and don't need some guy at the top cucking them.
>as opposed to?
Society as a whole, you brainlet.
Your ideology didn't create the railroads or steam engine.
>there has always been govt and there always will
I agree, it's power needs to be minimized though.
>ooh because in your perfect world violence would dissapear!
No, government violence would be extremely minimized.
Man you can't even come up with good arguments anymore.
>again, go live in the woods nobody gives a shit
No, fuck you, SOCIETY itself will fight against your ANTI-SOCIAL bullshit.
It's you that is the anti-social force.
>If you are producing more of something, prices go down
Yes if it's actually being produced more efficiently than before.
The fact you think you can get the government to magically produce better than society can makes you a brainlet.

You're basically a communist.

>but only if you central plan the economy.
AHAHAHAHAHA
How many times does this have to fail for you marxist scum to realize it doesn't fucking work.
KILL YOURSELF

>>7782717
yeah supported it so much he fled his ass to USA as germany was getting big, helped by the Rockefeller foundation. You are scum

>>7774847
Fuck off commie scum

>>7783159
>thats why they need a strong moral foundation
Yes, the government doesn't need to provide this.
Government isn't magic, government is ALSO humans. Morals come from social institutions.
>who DO know better.
LOL government is just people though.
What makes them infallible.
My fuck you are a brainlet.

>again, they dont know better. If you let them smoke or take drugs
I'm not against all regulation of these things, underaged drinking and smoking should be illegal.

>So yeah, no morals.
No, you're the moralless one.
You want to give drug gangs more power. You want them to make mad profits.
>now imagine 20% of your population doing it
lmao you actually think that would happen AHAHAHAHAHA
>if its not profitable there is no incentive to do it
There can still be other incentives, but profit is by far the most important one.
Also hospitals would be insanely profitable.
Helping people creates profit.

>examples?
I literally just fucking posted a picture of one you fucking idiot, holy shit.

>name a great civilization without government
I'm not an anarchist you fucking idiot. AHAHA
Great examples of civilizations where government was limited:
USA pre 1913.
The greatest country in the world at that time.

>>7783184
>yeah supported it so much he fled his ass to USA as germany was getting big
Because those absolute shit eating retards the nazis would have thrown him in a camp.
no wonder he left for a free country
>You are scum
You are anti-social, anti-white and anti-freedom
Gas yourself.

How is it fair for a man to do hard physical work in a field and get the same money as some woman working in an air conditioned office? That would make me fucking angry and hateful you commie cunt

>>7780884
>Deflation leads to higher living standards.
Not really desu say all the inflation from over the last two decades was reversed everyone's wages would be adjusted accordingly people won't get payed more. Thats why were at the point were at now people demand wage increases they get their wages increased but companies then have to sell their products at a higher price to make up for the money they're losing to greedy wagies

>>7783174
>monopolies a function of the state
so whats true free market then? zero regulation. Zero regulation means companies which have the infrastructure in place already, get more profits making them even bigger and defeating all competition -> monopoly
>illegal under white nationalist
then they move to cheap labour countries, cause profit, fuck you nazis and hail free market!
>Whites are smart enough to lead themselves and don't need some guy at the top cucking them
like, when? From ancient rome and greece to medieval monarchies, they always had leaders. Holy shit do you even know history?
>I agree, its power..
see, there has always been govt. Whites have always been ruled by someone. So your utopic view of unruled organic communities being the natural state of man is retarded
>your ideology didnt create steam engine
neither did yours. Most inventors invented not for profit but to better society. They didnt think holy shit im gonna make millions, they just tested stuff cause they love science
>you're basically a communist
who said it would be the government producing everything? im not against private enterprise nor property
>marxist scum
whatever, you fail to distinguish the vast differences between NatSoc and Communism, cause you've done zero research and put all socialist in the same bag. Like your average burger, only you think you are smarter

>>7783174
you are on drugs dude, you babbling by now. You dont even try to comprehend what i write. Just kill yourself

>>7783242
whatever dude. They should have catched him as gassed him, as we should do to you. Fucking scum

>>7774847
UBI Libertarianism is better

>>7781465
>the middle class includes the working class dipshit.
No, the working class is not part of the middle class under any commonly accepted definition

>>7783342
>Zero regulation means companies which have the infrastructure in place already, get more profits making them even bigger and defeating all competition -> monopoly
lol any company can come along to take their market share
>HURRR IBM CAN CONTINUE BEING THE BIGGEST COMPUTER COMPANY EVER
>APPLE? WHAT'S THAT?

>then they move to cheap labour countries
They move their manufacturing there yes, but this is good because prices come down for whites in our country and living standards increase.
Low wage countries would literally be our slaves in a free market with NO CENTRAL BANK AND DEFLATION.

>From ancient rome and greece to medieval monarchies
Literal shitholes pre european revolution.
Those places would be on par with africa today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P78Zd8265_k
>Whites have always been ruled by someone.
WRONG.
Whites have had government FOR the people. Whites support LIMITED government that doesn't interfere in their daily lives.
Third worldists like yourself support govt that control every aspect of their lives.
You want to be cucked so bad, it's hilarious.
>So your utopic view of unruled organic communities being the natural state of man is retarded
AHAHAHAHAHA
But this is the reason WHY whites became so prosperous.
The image I posted debunked your bullshit and this is the THIRD THREAD where you cannot refute it.

>neither did yours.
Actually yes, it was created by private companies.
>Most inventors invented not for profit but to better society.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
You think people who created these things primarily cared about society.
Maybe as a secondary goal sure, but their primary motive was MONEY.
>They didnt think holy shit im gonna make millions, they just tested stuff cause they love science
HOLY SHIT GET A LOAD OF THIS DELUSIONAL 12 YEAR OLD
>who said it would be the government producing everything?
You want it to be the primary producer, all fascist faggots do.

>>7783226
>autist wants to make drugs legal, so business becomes the new druglords, as opposed to wiping the druglords through a govt police force and not letting in a single drug in the country
and you call me anti-white anti-society lmao

>>7783342
>you fail to distinguish the vast differences between NatSoc and Communism
I know they are different but they have similar autistic and retarded goals.

>cause you've done zero research and put all socialist in the same bag
>DURRRR UR STOOPID BECAUSE I CANNOT REFUTE YOU
Kid, I've been arguing on the internet for 10 fucking years now. I know exactly who you are and what your ideology is. People like you have debated with me for a fucking decade.

>>7783374
>WAAAAAAHHH I CAN'T REFUTE YOU
Damn son, at least admit you were wrong.

>>7783425
>They should have catched him as gassed him
So fucking glad your ideology is dead in the water and you will remain irrelevant on the internet forever.
Based white nationalist mises escaped that shithole nazi germany and went to america. Thanks to him the freedom movement has exploded in USA.

Please just swallow cyanide you anti-white psychopath.
You CRAVE authority because you're too stupid to make decisions on your own.
Your genetic type needs to be eliminated from the white gene pool.
You think this way due to your shit third world genetics, not because anyone has logically persuaded you to believe this way.

>>7783470
>muh semantics
okay, then replace middle and working classes in my original post and the argument still makes sense

>>7783483
>>autist wants to make drugs legal
Yes, so mexican scum like yourself stop killing whites at the border.
Fuck you and fuck your defense of drug cartels.

>so business becomes the new druglords
There's much less violence this way.
Gangs are virtually eliminated.

>as opposed to wiping the druglords through a govt police force
LMAO AHAHAHA
Do you know how many times that has been tried?

>and not letting in a single drug in the country
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the delusion

>and you call me anti-white anti-society lmao
You want to empower drug cartels.
Destroy one drug cartel and you've created another one.
You ARE anti white and anti society.

>>7783530
we're far from done you scum. Nobody but some autists from burgerland give a shit about libtardism or your jew mises. Yet everyone knows Hitler and are growing more curious about him and the whole NatSoc and WW2. You will be forgotten and we shall reign supreme as the standard white nationalist ideology. You know it, thats why Hitler is talked about everywhere. You know it, Get fucked

>>7783567
>implying your shit govt wants to get rid of the illegal drug trade
its like you dont know how shit works in your own shithole

Ok, you redistribute wealth
Now what? Women don't select by wealth, as they have the same share. They find the best looking men and they give them stuff. Those men end up with the most resources AND the most pussy
Males are competitive by nature. It's their reproduction strategy. Not every man is meant to transmit his genes. Wealth is just an abstract expression of social capital, so once you remove that, the slight advantage of the genetically superior in terms of attractiveness becomes compounded
Ultimately, this is why every communist system ends up in corruption. When you have an equal share of resources and when your only hope to attract a mate is resources, then your reproductive strategy becomes to cheat the rules in order to woo your mate
It's understandable for victims of capitalism to want a change, but you'd only be a biggest loser in communism
there's no real solution to human suffering in capitalism because capitalism already provides survival necessities for 99.99% of the population in the western world. it's very hard to die of hunger or freeze to death; yet people develop new needs, such as having a heated home, a car and a smartphone with internet connection
masculinity will always be about that chase for pussy, requiring ever greater riches and skills. absolute level of wealth matters none, relative level of wealth is the key. you have to signal you and you alone are worth it
you lose that, you more or less lose what it means to be human... if that's still your goal, you should support hypercapitalism instead so AI research, transhumanism and gene editing get as much attention as possible

>>7783608
>we're far from done you scum
lmao yes you are
seeing how you people are the cringy autists of the white identity movement and are actively DESTROYING it I'd say you are absolutely done
normies hate you people, normies are at least open to MY ideas.

Your ideology will never rise again, lol

>Nobody but some autists from burgerland give a shit about libtardism or your jew mises.
Countless people do.
It's hilarious that you think just because someone is a jew that they cannot support white nationalism. I mean how much of a brainlet do you have to be to be this absolutist in the face of empirical evidence.

>Yet everyone knows Hitler and are growing more curious about him
Yes and most white nationalists think he was a sperg retard and at the very least "misguided".
It's hilarious that hitler didn't even do anything you retards said he did.
He didn't even abolish usury.

>You will be forgotten
We are constantly growing and neetsoc queers are in the dustbin of history lmao
Your entire ideology is anti-white garbage
hitler was anti white and everyone knows this

>as the standard white nationalist ideology
the standard white nationalist ideology is the united states before WW2
Hitler wasn't even a white nationalist lmao

>thats why Hitler is talked about everywhere
Yes as an incredibly evil man. Nobody is going to accept that shit again.
People will accept white nationalism on it's own though without shitler.

>You know it, Get fucked
KYS third worldist genetic type

>>7783630
They've been trying forever.
Every government that tries this gets fucked over and new cartels spring up.

>>7783567
>mexican scum
im probably whiter than you, dickhead
>gangs are virtually eliminated
yeah, big drug business becomes the new legal druglords. Good for the economy
>the delusion
it can be done. We can also gas scum like you
You fucked defending interest, the favourite jewish weapon, also known as usury for centuries and hated by whites. And you got the nerve to call me kike and anti-white. You will defend jews to death if it makes you some profit, like every good burger

>>7783698
haahahaha keep dreaming faggot. You know im right
>most white nationalists think he was a sperg retard and at the very least "misguided"
>hitler was anti white and everyone knows this
haahahahah the delusion is real, holy shit

it really is true, ancaps and libertards are autistic. You are just a fucking liberal masquerading as white nationalist, a term which came to fruition thanks to Nazi germany, which put RACE and PEOPLE in the FRONT of the ideology, unlike your shit which puts free market , money and profit on the front, like a goddamn jew. Fucking die

>>7781891
>parasitic class
>own the robots

The parasitic class are the one's on welfare that will starve after the robots are here.

>>7783709
>im probably whiter than you, dickhead
lmao nah, you have third worldist ideas and are a third worldist piece of shit
all third worldist shitholes have your policies
white countries let their citizens be free to create things
>big drug business becomes the new legal druglords
Yes but they aren't lords and can't use violence.
Actual gangs and cartels go away.
Even Sam Hyde supports what I support.

>it can be done.
How? Every time it was tried, they just rise again.

>We can also gas scum like you
You people are so incredibly fucking irrelevant it's unreal. Even american MARXISTS have more relevancy than you queers.
The fact you want to gas your fellow whites makes you a violent third worldist who is against civilization.
Fuck your genetic type.

>You fucked defending interest
Countless european countries have successfully used interest and became some of the richest, highest living standard countries in the world using interest.
How can you possibly be against it?
Look at Sweden during the 1800s and Switzerland during the same time period.
Average person had high living standards.
No jews in these countries.
EXPLAIN THIS
YOU LITERALLY CANNOT

>and hated by whites
LOL Hitlerite deluded view of history contradicts actual history.
I bet you believe in the aryan race too ahahahahaha

>You will defend jews to death
You're the one that defends their central banks kiddo.

There is no free lunch

only free helicopter fuel

>>7774847
Shitty bait

>>7783680
good post

>>7783709
Compassion and common decency, you should try to obtain some of it.

I don't know who has hurt you so much to be such an ugly human being, probably a rapist at a young age, But you should forgive yourself, and others. Learn to love, not to hate.

>>7775420
Great arguments anon

>>7783791
>haahahaha keep dreaming faggot. You know im right
You can sense the desperation in your typing.
Pathetic.

>haahahahah the delusion is real, holy shit
>projecting
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Holy fuck this faggot actually thinks normie whites in the west don't think he and his ideology is extremely evil as fuck

FACE THE FACTS
NOBODY gives a shit about your dumb nonsensical ideology, it's fucking dead and you people are angry low IQ spergs with shit genes

>it really is true, ancaps and libertards are autistic.
lmao you're the one defending your religion while getting absolutely BTFO.
You couldn't reply to a bunch of my posts because you're wrong.

>You are just a fucking liberal masquerading as white nationalist
>HURRR YOU CAN'T HAVE FREEDOM IN A WHITE NATIONALIST COUNTRY
This is literally what leftists unironically believe.

>which put RACE and PEOPLE in the FRONT of the ideology
Yes, pseudoscientific views on race.
They were also anti white.

Why would anyone care about your autistic ideology? lmao

>unlike your shit which puts free market , money and profit on the front
Nope lol, it puts freedom for whites at the front. Whites care about freedom more than any other race.
You keep defending third world ideologies where the state controls all aspects of life. It's hilarious how much of a wannabe white you are.
KILL YOURSELF

I can see you're getting SUPER fucking mad right now too lmao

>>7774847
>redistribute
>implying wealth was originally distributed and not created
I think it's time to seriously discus if leftism is an intrinsic violation of the NAP.

>>7783804
>everyone who doesnt think like me is Venezuela!!
autism
>b-but they cant use violence
drugs run rampant on your white ethnostate, muh freedom!
>the fact you want to gas
says the guy who wants to kill ALL commies even if they are white
>countless european bla bla
thats how the jew got powerful, stupid
>explain this
it probably wasnt thanks to usury, and you bet there was a jew involved somewhere
>their central banks
their central banks are usury, im against it. You just keep repeating your crap like a good autist, im done with you. Cant argue with an autist

>>7783859
do you forget where we are, you raging faggot?

>>7783863
i made 80 fucking posts on this thread, read or stfu

>>7783873
nobody gives a shit about yours either, at least normies. But normies stop being normies when things get tough and answers are demanded. You will see..
>they were anti white
like how ? dont bring me that hurr they sent millions to die in the war crap

you are attaching white nationalism to an ideology not even concerned with race, in hopes that in the current white nationalist climate some will listen to your autistic bullshit. Accept it, NatSoc is way more popular, its pretty much obvious

>>7783916
>autism
no, I'm merely pointing out your political and economic views are used by third world shitholes, there is a genetic reason they do this shit
you have the same genetics as them
autism

>drugs run rampant on your white ethnostate, muh freedom!
Hardly anyone would use drugs you brainlet. Heroin was widely available in the early 1900s yet only a tiny minority of people used it.
The people that use it now would probably be the only people that will use it. They would get help like anyone else.
Face it, anyone who wants drugs can easily get them NOW.
Why would this % of people change that much?

>says the guy who wants to kill ALL commies even if they are white
Only if they are actively trying to start a revolution against the state. Then helicopters.
You however use violence against anyone and everyone who you slightly disagree with.
>thats how the jew got powerful, stupid
AHAHAHAHA
Man you are F A L L I N G A P A R T right fucking now.
There were no jews in Sweden during this time.
WHITE PEOPLE did this for 100s of years.
Jews got powerful from central banking, not from the common EUROPEAN practice of usury.
It's like you read mein kampf and didn't bother to research anything he was saying and understand it was absolute bullshit and ahistorical.
>it probably wasnt thanks to usury
Banks were free to issue loans at interest, in fact they typically DID. LOL
Is your worldview falling apart?

>their central banks are usury, im against it.
How?
Central banks typically LOWER interest rates leading to less usury?
Confused yet you fucking idiot?

stealing purchasing power through inflation IS a kike practice. also to think you can magically lower prices by producing more by printing money and investing in production is literally what the soviet union thought

gas yourself

>>7784010
>nobody gives a shit about yours either, at least normies.
Normies are perceptive to liberty and free markets.
do you realize how big ron paul was?

>like how ?
they were pro german and hated most other non whites like slavs. They killed more whites than any other group in history.

>you are attaching white nationalism to an ideology not even concerned with race
But USA before 1913 was extremely white nationalist.
You're fucking WRONG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7YzrbeLbJE

>NatSoc is way more popular
LOL NO ITS NOT
It's only used by gay larpers on the internet
Why are people like Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor more popular than you low IQ, third worldist larping autists?

YOU are the autism.

>>7775462
The argument:
>tax the wealthy, government uses gains to employ people and improve quality of life
The hole:
>misappropriation of funds, tax evasion, roasties and niggers who will never work
The SOLUTION:
>separate forms of value. Investment tokens, food coins, whore credits, entertainment tokens
The real problem is the million dollars a thot can reap by selling her wet holes is the same million you will spend fifty years slaving to earn. The same dollars gained by gambling on stocks are the same value of the few dollars you earned for growing and picking apples.
There needs to be an obvious separation of the buying power in the forms of income we generate.
One thotcoin should really only be worth a few weedbux anyways

last post in this thread
we can see neetsoc queer has been debunked and his shitting rn
I have to sleep now but it's good knowing he couldn't respond to the points I made

>muh anti-white "aryan race" pseudoscience
>muh usury
lol hilarious

>>7784043
>nazi germany was a thirld world shithole
ok
>drugs
thats not the point. If you make it legal you make it seem its somehow OK to do it, because you are not against it, what was that Thomas Paine quote? Thus probably leading to greater consumption over time being widely available. Its not that easy to get drugs now, and there's the fear of police and shit
>revolution against the state
and how would you establish your system? not revolution?
>sweden
i was talking europe in medieval times. Jews lent to kings, central banks came later. What, you think they just got the power to enforce central banking from nowhere?
>banks were free
fine so some whites lent with interest, doesnt mean most didnt hate the practice
>central banks
they lend with interest, thats usury to me

>>7784087
>normies
they are also receptive to the flaws of capitalism, thats why communism is so popular
>hated most other non whites like slavs
so you are calling slavs non-whites, how is killing them anti-white? also they didnt kill them, thats what the soviets did
>usa pre 1913
wasnt libertarian, founding fathers would execute your kind
>lol no its not
yes it is. What is richard spencer called? a libertarian white nationalist? no, a NAZI. Every white nationalist is called a NAZI by normies, not a libertarian.

Get fucked, your ideology is irrelevant. Ron Paul lmao

>>7784105
>debunked
in your mind, kiddo

>>7784100
that may be the first actual useful use of crypto i've heard

>>7774847
How is it not fair ? Was it forbiden for you to buy google stock ?
Everyone got the opportunity .

>>7775099
This except for that dumb quote

>>7776176
The market has to decide whether the work that common man is working on is worth doing. The common man loses because he doesn't bother thinking about that.

>>7779035
If you have permanent health problems because of work, you survived, but didn't "win".

>>7774847
>We need to redistribute the wealth to make it fair for everyone.
It's already fair. You get what you're worth. Engineers are more valuable than McDonald's fry cooks.
>Just hear me out for a moment.
Ok, sure.
>The whole world is full of hate and greed and envy.
Come on guy, it's not that bad. There's fucked up shit out there, true, but surround yourself with good people and love, and you will be happy.
>Everyone wants to out preform everyone else and this creates problems and anger.
No, this actually very efficiently creates high quality goods and services, and a high standard of living. If you can't do a good job producing the things that society needs, someone else will.
>All of these problems could be fixed if the world's wealth and resources were divided evenly.
No, that would make things worse. Large amounts of resources would be taken from those who know how to put them to good use, and given to those who would have no idea on the first step that should be made.

>>7774847
>>7784815
>I work in heavy construction for a living and lift rebar.
Cool, man. You have a steady job.
>I do some of the hardest work anyone could ever imagine.
Try working 80-100 hours a week in investment banking
>My back is starting to give out on me
Yea, I imagine. You should probably get a different job. I worked a number of different labor-type jobs when I was in college. It's not the type of job you should do for a very long time. But if that's your game-plan, being an unqualified laborer your whole life, then suit yourself, I guess.
>I can't help but think there are people who bought Amazon or google Stocks years ago and are making mullions and billions sitting on their fucking ass.
In order to make "millions and billions" on stocks, you have to invest many more times that amount of your hard-earned money, not knowing if you'll ever see that money again. Also, people who invest those amounts actually tend to be very busy managing those investments and have full schedules.
>How is that fair exactly?
When you work as an employee, you get risk-free cash flow in the form of a paycheck. When you go into business, whether by buying GOOG or AMZN, or by starting a family-run construction business, you take a large risk, because you invest your hard-earned cash, with no way of knowing if that business will ever be successful. If there is no potential for reward, no one would go into business, and we'd basically be in the stone age, with no economy to speak of.

>You should be paid the same as everyone else so that everyone can have it fair.
No dude, see that thing I wrote about fry-cooks and engineers.

>>7774847

I WANT YOU DEAD

>redistribute wealth

Come get it you limpwristed soyboy fag-o-tron. Oh wait you can't. So you need an extortionist government to do it for you. But they will steal more than their fair share. And the cycle continues...

>>7774847
why not start yourself?
go to the poorest part in town and give them your money until you're as poor as them...
are you ready to do that?
no?
color me surprised, you hypocritical shilling faggot...
all you want is richer people transferring their wealth to you, you liberal cuck

>>7774847
Since when has competition been a negative thing?

>>7776724
>oxfam
lmao you're literally doing the opposite of a good thing you virtue signalling faggot

>>7774847
you had equal amount of opportunity to invest in those stocks too.

Competition literally drives evolution. You'll see mass suicide of really ambitious and smart people if communism is forcibly implemented. By then all there's left will be people who are either stupid or have no drive.

>>7782131
Apple can't spend those billions in consumer goods anyway, it would crash the economy they thrive in.