/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.1029397]

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU STILL HAVE INVESTMENTS? WE ARE IN THE START OF THE SECOND GREAT DEPRESSION

WHAT GOT US OUT OF THE DEPRESSION? WW2

SELL
E
L
L

EVERYTHING

BUY AMMO, FOOD, WATER, GASOLINE

GET PREPD

WE WILL NOT RECOVER FROM THIS
IT BEGINS TOMORROW

I WARNED YOU

[Anonymous No.1029437]

explain? I know nothing of this

canadafag here

[Anonymous No.1029440]

/pol/ pls

[Anonymous No.1029442]

>>1029397
Fucccck why now


Do you think if I buy 30k worth of gold from apmex it can get here before the crash starts???

[Anonymous No.1029443]

>>1029437
DOW WILL BE @ 13K VERY SOON
ASIA IS FINISH

THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING

[Anonymous No.1029444]

Nice fearmongering.

What's the reason this time? The "shemitah" didn't occur.

[Anonymous No.1029661]

>>1029444
NICE DUBS


BUT GET READY TODAY

TODAY
O
D
A
Y

WHEN THE AMERICAN MARKETS OPEN

IT WILL BE HELL UNLEASHED ON WALL STREET

NOTHING BUT RED

[Anonymous No.1029666]

>>1029397
>WE ARE IN THE START OF THE SECOND GREAT DEPRESSION
Can't be. 2008 crisis still has to end, it would not make any sense.

[Anonymous No.1029679]

Food, Guns, Ammo and internet hacker money. Yeah!

[Anonymous No.1029699]

DELETE THIS THREAD NOW!

[Anonymous No.1029709]

>>1029443
I always find it amazing how banks with thousands of employees aren't able to predict recessions and lose billions in the process, yet autistic NEETs always claim they can.
Put your money where your mouth is, and short $SPY and $SPXL if you think the market will go down.

[Anonymous No.1029720]

>>1029699
Oy vey!

[Anonymous No.1029728]

I always wondered why /biz/ is so against /pol/ but I understand now.

Pic related, it's /biz/

[Anonymous No.1029736]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1_TSp7wcFI

[Anonymous No.1029742]

[Li_Sheng !n54GAoW8Vs No.1029784]

I'm short

[Anonymous No.1029788]

>>1029742
People always post these graphs and I srsly have no fucking idea what they are trying to get across

[Anonymous No.1029795]

>>1029788
That people always have, and always will, think they're able to predict when the market will crash. Pro tip: Most of the time, they're dead wrong

[I WANT TO SEE ASSCRACK AND FEE(...) No.1029802]

> WHY THE FUCK DO YOU STILL HAVE INVESTMENTS?

Stay poor /pol/. It's entirely possible to make money during serious stock declines or even crashes. Also you won't need to stock up on canned goods and water due to falling stock prices. Honestly I fucking hate you happening retards, you ruin what is otherwise an interesting economic event with your shemitah bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1029809]

>>1029784
because you're chinese? Can you confirm?

[Anonymous No.1029814]

>>1029795
Ohhhh I see now. Every time someone predicted a crash the market had a solid period of increase.

[Anonymous No.1029842]

>>1029814

Confirmation bias. Find 5 people who got it wrong and add them to a graph = "everyone's wrong!!"

[Anonymous No.1029845]

>>1029842
Well I was saying that in reference to that particular graph. It wasn't a blanket statement

[Anonymous No.1029855]

>>1029397

How are those vanguard funds there eh, biz?

>you could have seen this a mile away and put your cash in vix, n00bs

[Anonymous No.1029896]

>>1029666
Why not have both?

[Anonymous No.1029899]

Oh Lord.

[Anonymous No.1029905]

>>1029899
BUY WMT
BUY TGT

[Anonymous No.1029916]

>>1029899
B T F O
T
F
O

[Anonymous No.1029926]

>>1029845
Do those particular guys predict all events with accuracy or are they just doomsayers who literally "predict" nothing but crashes every day and they're bound to get it right sometimes?

[Anonymous No.1029928]

>>1029926
Idk who those people even are. I was just asking why he posted that graph in the first place desu

[Anonymous No.1029968]

>>1029899
where can i fond this kind of graph?

[Anonymous No.1029994]

>>1029968
Finviz has it iirc

[Anonymous No.1029997]

>>1029728
yeesss good goyim goood kekeke

[Anonymous No.1030006]

>>1029809

[Anonymous No.1030008]

second mortgage meltdown in china, then australia and canada

cap this post

[Anonymous No.1030014]

Obama wont let the economy die on his watch. The Fed will come in to save things if it gets bad enough.

[Cal !7p6ZFzW.pU No.1030015]

I think the drop in US equities is unwarranted at the moment.

The real time to worry is when China starts selling their T-Bonds to prop up their currency and raise cash to prop up their economy

[Anonymous No.1030016]

>>1030008

Fuck I hope so. Can't wait to see Sydney get btfo

[Anonymous No.1030020]

>>1029896
Senor Merchant plz no. My father is an architect and went from making a fortune to being jobless starting from 2008.
Another crisis and we'll end up living under a bridge (not to count that his pension will be shit)...

>get a job you fucking neet
I'm still finishing university. Part time job won't do shit when you're already in debts.

RIP

[Anonymous No.1030023]

>>1029742
OH SHIT, WE'RE ALL GOING DOWN IN A BLAZE OF GLORY!

You know what would be a good similar graph like this? A graph that's a strict timeline of the last 50 or so years that points out each time one of those right wingding doomsayers says that the world is going to end. To see "The bible predicts that the world will end on january 15 1964" will look so fearful and compelling on the same graph as "Nostrodomus predicts world will end on october 16th 2014".

[Anonymous No.1030024]

>>1030015
are you american?

[Anonymous No.1030029]

>>1029842
It's not that everybody is wrong; it is that nobody (as somebody pointed out earlier, even scores of investment bank pros and hedge fund managers making millions per year) can properly predict market downturns!

[Anonymous No.1030031]

>>1029709
They predict them but pay off all their money in dividends anyway because they know they will be bailed out.

[Cal !7p6ZFzW.pU No.1030046]

>>1030024
Yes

[Anonymous No.1030049]

Yuropoor will rule the world

[Anonymous No.1030051]

>>1030020
Hello me, except replace "architect" with "defense attorney" and "fortune" with "35k"

I'm the richest one in my family now because I have a positive net worth.

[Anonymous No.1030052]

>>1030015

Congress will get very butthurt, but ultimately the Treasury will pay them, $1.2 Trillion isn't much when the Social Security Administration will pick up all the slack.

But dumping T-bonds is not something China will do, assuming they're sane. The US isn't harmed, but it will straight up make Congress do something stupid like end free trade with China, especially as the situation in the South China Sea heats up. No trade with the world's largest economy means that China enters a permanent depression. Which means that whatever cash the PRC is able to get, they'll burn through and then be left with nothing while being surrounded by a very angry US military (and other south pacific countries).

This is a problem, because we're already in the middle of a trade war but with oil. Should protectionism make a resurgence, it's a death spiral for the world economy as countries lock their economies down.

BUT, all this assumes the chinks are that stupid. I don't think they are.

[Anonymous No.1030057]

>>1030049
So muslims then?

[Anonymous No.1030063]

>>1029397
i just started buying more, ill buyy every 5-10% dip. prolly next week more

[Cal !7p6ZFzW.pU No.1030098]

>>1030052

Fair points... But I wasn't implying that China dump the T Bonds(as doing so would shock the value of their holdings because the market can't absorb that much in a short period of time).

I'm implying a gradual sell off, which would also increase the rates here in the US as price drops. Compounded by the effect that they're no longer provide the US with cheap money

[Anonymous No.1030101]

>>1030098

Sure. But even that would probably annoy Congress enough into action. That paired with some stupid squabble in the SCS means sanctions especially if we get an aggressively nationalist/teafag government in a year.

[Anonymous No.1030147]

>>1030057
Muslim or not, yuropoor will be uncontested top dog again.

[Anonymous No.1030156]

>>1029784
You left your trip on

[Cal !7p6ZFzW.pU No.1030193]

>>1030156
Only thing worst than trips are trolls who have nothing better to do than whine about trips.

[Cheese !BlAby.P0m2 No.1030384]

>>1029437
my investments!

[Li_Sheng !n54GAoW8Vs No.1030400]

>>1029968
Its called an index heat map.
most trading platforms have them
TOS is this one.

[Anonymous No.1030441]

Can this shit full on crash already? I'm waiting here with my money, itching to buy the fuck out of everything.

[Anonymous No.1030464]

>>1030020
pay debts

[Anonymous No.1030467]

>>1030441
Why not short SPY or some other relevant ETF until you think it reached the bottom, and then invest in companies while they're still extremely low?
Less wait, more cash.

[Anonymous No.1030474]

>>1030467
I don't short or work with leverage. I'm trying to invest here nigga, not go bankrupt.

[Anonymous No.1030475]

>>1029397
you know that the worst recession in history in the 1930s was only like 30% drop
and recovered after for about 45% gain?

[Anonymous No.1030483]

>>1029926
They believe the market is fucked and predict it will crash soon.
But while the market IS fucked, its being propped up by billions in central bank injections. All those faggots just underestimated the central banks ability and shalmelesness.

Picrelated only shows data until 2015, in 2015 QE ended, and as result the stock market has not grown at all in 2015.

[Anonymous No.1030484]

>>1030474
SPY literally just represents the S&P 500 index. If you know it'll drop, why the fuck wouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.1030485]

>tfw invested in gold and bitcoin

[Anonymous No.1030487]

>>1030484
That's the point. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I KNOW it will drop and when it will bottom. I know that I can make some solid gains buying low, I'll leave the speculating to retards thinking they can outsmart the market.

[Anonymous No.1030494]

SELL SELL SELL SELL

[Anonymous No.1030505]

>>1030475

It was actually closer to 40%, sent unemployment sky high, created Hoovervilles, took a World War (and its not only massive spending but a large drop in population as well) and it STILL took over a decade to recover.

Your 15% gain over 10 years doesnt mean much when you became homeless 8 years ago

[Anonymous No.1030510]

>>1030487

If you would have shorted the S&P for the last 3 days, for just the first hour the markets were open, you would be up right around 10%

Ill help you out. Short the S&P tomorrow morning for 2 hours. Stay out on Monday

[Anonymous No.1030529]

>>1030510
and if you would have invested 10k the nanosecond after the last flash crash you'd be up some 40%

Shame my crystal ball is in the shop this week amirite??

[Anonymous No.1030542]

>>1030505
they became homeless because they sold their stocks as the price dropped and didn't have reserves of cash set aside, i.e. they were fully invested in volatile stocks without a diverse portfolio.

If you are diversified with reserves of cash no amount of stock market tremors will affect you. All this crying about the end happening is what happens when you dump all your cash into quick schemes or listening to biz spout nonsense like 100 or 1000% gain strategies.

[Anonymous No.1030548]

altucher has pretty good grasp. was a succesfull hedge fund manager for a long time

http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2016/01/financial-fridays-the-stock-market-is-bullshit/

[Anonymous No.1030559]

>>1030548
I think the basic gist is that the world and markets will keep on growing as long as people are willing to continue living. Selling hope is corny and fear is much easier to sell.

[Anonymous No.1030583]

>>1029397
OMG shut up. I'm already back up today. Holy fuck you doomsayers are annoying.

[Anonymous No.1030586]

First, nothing is gonna happen. There is no evidence backing an actual crash. Second, this is good. The United States currency is a "comfort currency" meaning when foreign investors get scared that there currency is going to drop, they invest in a stable currency like the US dollar. With an influx of chinese citizens investing in the US dollar, the value of our dollar will raise. This means we can sell US dollars for more money. This is a profit margin that will last until the fed increases the amount of US money in circulation.

[Anonymous No.1030591]

>>1030548
I read his book a while back, but alot of his blog posts tend to be a repeat of what I read about starting your own business. It works in theory, but boots-on-the-ground in my industry teaches us that going your own way can sometimes be disastrous.

[Anonymous No.1030597]

what's a good website with information about trading, investments, market trends? I'm interested but have no idea where to start. I need a 101 course.

[Anonymous No.1030601]

It's funny that this is actually a very real possibility. Think of this scenario:
>Russia keeps diving even deeper into recession due to low oil prices and sanctions (already happening)
>the people there are revanchist and radicalized (the fall of the Soviet Union, combined with the recent nationalist fervor led to this)
>Russian state budget runs out due to low oil prices and its involvement in Syria and Ukraine, as well as its annexation of Crimea (they're losing massively as they basically have to rebuild all the infrastructure, plus, they have to pay higher pensions and such than the Ukrainian ones)
>current huge economic bubble bursts (and it will, the industry P/E ratios are enormous)
>another depression
>the situation in Russia gets very bad
>nationalist upheaval as the government loses the ability to enforce order with its iron fist; Putin either gets assassinated or Russia plunges in a big insurgency (the second one being more likely)
>radicals come to power, nationalize strategic and high-profit sectors of the economy
>use this to create jobs, and build up an even stronger military might (basically, the Nazi economic policy)
>gradually invade Ukraine under the pretext of defending ethnic Russians
>other old Soviet republics are then invaded
>alliance is made with North Korea, China, Vietnam
>Japan is taken over by the Chinese, North Korean, and some Russian forces
>no one dares to do shit because nukes

It's up to you to guess what happens next. History often repeats itself. All the conditions which preceded WW2 are met, with Russia being in Germany's place.

[Anonymous No.1030609]

>>1030597
zerohedge

[Anonymous No.1030611]

CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM

[Anonymous No.1030623]

>>1030601
what happen when if russia invading russia in of winter eh? cheeki breeki

[Anonymous No.1030679]

>>1030601
> meanwhile, in Finland

[Cal !7p6ZFzW.pU No.1030838]

>>1030474
>I don't short or work with leverage

You do realize there are inverse funds like SDS and YANG that moves the opposit of the market right? You can get theses without actually shorting or using leverage.

[Anonymous No.1030862]

>>1030609
No seriously wtf news I use then? Fox,Forbes? there all shit, so it's basically no news at all if you don't like zerohedge.

[Anonymous No.1030869]

>>1029397
WW2 didnt get us out of the depression

[Anonymous No.1030987]

short at hong kong opening? g life here i come?

[Anonymous No.1031034]

>>1030869
It helped

[Anonymous No.1031056]

Hey /biz/ question here,

I set a limit for $UVXY at $32.00 the other day and it didn't go though because it jumped to like 35 in first minute.


Should I cancel the order and put in a market order for $UVXY, or do you think that the ride is over?

[Anonymous No.1031987]

>>1029444
trips checkd
However the crash is a certainty, matter of when.. And when it is, it might very well be this year or the next, certainly within 5 years.
Personally, I'd gamble on this year or perhaps around christmas.

[Anonymous No.1032072]

>>1030464
Easy to say.

Sorry for having attached 2 graphs and they're also in low quality, but the unique thing you need to notice is the trend of the graphs.
The first graph goes up to 2012.
The second one goes from 12/2013 to 09/2015.
Both graphs refer to house prices in the country where I live [europe].
And desu the price drops in the city where I live are way deeper.
Nobody wants to build anything anymore, let alone big buildings (which is where you make the real money). It's simply not profitable. Salaries and material costs are the same as before, but the selling price is low and even if this price is low it's also hard to find buyers.

Roads market still goes quite well but it's really hard to get the assignment to project a road (motorways, bridges, etc).

[Anonymous No.1032158]

Gold mining stocks about to make me a lot of money, why would I sell?

[Anonymous No.1032164]

>yfw DJIA 14,000 by end of January

[Anonymous No.1032166]

>>1032072
p a y
d e b t s

[Anonymous No.1032988]

>mfw heavy in SQQQ

Started accumulating in October. This week has been incredible.

[Anonymous No.1033067]

It's tomorrow. Gg.

[Anonymous No.1033101]

>>1033067
why tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.1034857]

I'll just leave my reasons here.

http://pastebin.com/Wy0tiF2H

[Anonymous No.1035050]

>>1029666
Makes perfect sense

[Anonymous No.1035094]

>>1029444
The shemitah doesnt cause the entire market to crash immediately. It causes a drag and then eventual crash.