Money is the root of all evil.

[Anonymous No.17694161]

[Anonymous No.17694329]

>>17694161
and then we watched the building [the already emptied wtc 7 with not a soul inside] collapse. [without killing many firefighters]

[Anonymous No.17694344]

>>17694161
The love of money is the root of evil*

[Anonymous No.17694383]

>>17694344
Root is the better analogy. Because you can love money without being evil. But when there is evil. money is most likely the root cause.

[Anonymous No.17694423]

No, power is the root of evil

[Anonymous No.17694430]

>>17694344
not at all.

i grew up in a country where people -at the unconscious level- hold money to way less importance than people in the anglosphere. there's still evil, a lot of it. it's just not about money.
but it's true that insane love for money most people in the anglosphere are raised to have can be pretty horrible.

[Anonymous No.17694448]

>>17694423
much better put. still not 100%. there's evil that isn't about power. but far more accurate.

[Anonymous No.17694459]

Money is simply a tool

You can use it to uplift your immediate family and descendants to a comfortable living, or buy hookers, drugs and material goods.

I do both, within reason of course. I follow the pareto distribution, 20% allocated to degeneracy and 80% towards useful endeavours.

I believe God will find this reasonable.

[Anonymous No.17694477]

>>17694423
and there's also power that isn't evil* (anymore than an average person you'd consider "not evil")
to believe otherwise is just cynical.

just like there are people with love for money who aren't evil.

[Anonymous No.17694499]

>>17694423
Yes but the only way to get power is to first get money.

[Anonymous No.17694502]

>>17694430
That's why I didn't say 'all evil'.
I think that figuring out the root of all evil is a question for a theologian, not /biz/

[Anonymous No.17694523]

>>17694499
naive.
look at academics. way different means to achieve power (but their politics is not any less malignant than the world money)

[Anonymous No.17694528]

>>17694161
There is no such thing as objective evil. Every action we consider 'evil' was seen as 'good' by the person who took that action. 'Evil' is a subjective interpretation of deterministic phenomena

[Anonymous No.17694544]

>>17694499
naive.
look at academics. way different means to achieve power (but their politics is not any less malevolent than the world of money)

[Anonymous No.17694568]

>>17694523
Yeah but what their told to teach and the people who hire them have the real power and money. They are just puppets for the higher ups.

[Anonymous No.17694587]

>>17694528
nah.
for starters, a lot of people realize they did something horrible and punish themselves (suicide or having to escape into drugs)

[Anonymous No.17694614]

>>17694528
>Every action we consider 'evil' was seen as 'good' by the person who took that action
I've found that's not the case. There's people out there that will do sick things, fully aware that it's wrong. Maybe you could argue they consider it "good" because they derive pleasure from it, but I don't know if that counts.

[Anonymous No.17694678]

>>17694161
>Money is the root of all evil
Poorfag cope: the mantra

[Anonymous No.17694687]

>>17694587
>>17694614
Every action taken by a human is seen as 'good' in some sense, at least in that moment, otherwise they wouldn't take that action. One man's hero is another man's terrorist, etc. Evil is relative, not absolute

[Anonymous No.17694718]

>>17694499
That didn't work out for the rich people during the communist revolutions.

[Anonymous No.17694722]

>>17694687
>Evil is relative, not absolute
that's just an opinion. human knowledge is far too small to prove or disprove.

>Every action taken by a human is seen as 'good' in some sense, at least in that moment, otherwise they wouldn't take that action.
that's just plain wrong.

[Anonymous No.17694748]

>>17694722
people are capable of forcing themselves to do many-many different things, even many actions they consider evil

[Anonymous No.17694780]

The coveting of that which you haven't earned, wishing to deprive others of it for your own greedy fulfillment, is the root of all evil.

[Anonymous No.17694802]

>>17694722
>that's just an opinion. human knowledge is far too small to prove or disprove.
give me an example of absolute evil
>that's just plain wrong.
It's not. How could a human take an action they don't see fit to take? How would that even be possible?
>>17694748
>even many actions they consider evil
If I puta gun to someone's head and force them to do something awful, they may see the action itself as 'evil', or me as 'evil', but they see life as 'good' and the action preserves their life, therefore it's 'good'

[Anonymous No.17694823]

>>17694802
Everything we do is seen as the right thing to do, otherwise we simply wouldn't do it

[Anonymous No.17694869]

>>17694687
It's "good" to some people because the action of the "hero" directly benefits them, not necessarily because the hero is following any moral principles. Evil is directly measurable by the amount suffering and death your actions cause. People ignoring the negative results just have their heads in the sand and are blinded by hero worship.

[Anonymous No.17694884]

>>17694802
>give me an example of absolute evil
if i could give you an example i could disprove your opinion.
for example, if there was some kind of purpose the universe exists for, then actions that make the universe less likely to fulfill its purpose were absolute evil.

now you prove there can't be a meaning to the universe.

[Anonymous No.17694904]

>>17694430
When there is no money available of course you won't love it. Your people take that attitude out of necessity, not out of wanting.

>>17694459
This.

[Anonymous No.17694936]

>>17694904
>When there is no money available of course you won't love it. Your people take that attitude out of necessity, not out of wanting.
that's just a plain retarded opinion. money is always available. kids who aren't forced to work early, kids who aren't charged rent by their parents will have a different valuation for money deep down inside.

[Anonymous No.17694945]

>>17694869
>Evil is directly measurable by the amount suffering and death your actions cause
If I'm not the one suffering, why would I consider it evil? Unless I value empathy and compassion, but those are subjective morals mapped onto an amoral universe
>>17694884
Meaning is a human word, a human construct, therefore it's temporal and transient, not absolute

[Anonymous No.17694975]

>>17694945
>Meaning is a human word, a human construct, therefore it's temporal and transient, not absolute

if you keep making up arguments you cannot prove in order to prove another, you'll quickly get to circular reasoning.

[Anonymous No.17695021]

>>17694975
no u

[Anonymous No.17695025]

>>17694975
the word itself is a human construct. what the word means may be universal. like the way we describe the tiny part of fundamental laws of the universe we are currently aware of are by human constructs, but there meaning is universal.

[Anonymous No.17695049]

>>17694945
If morals are subjective, how do you know the universe is amoral?

[Anonymous No.17695120]

>>17695025
I guess it depends on your definition of 'meaning'. If an apple falls from a tree, is it's 'meaning' or 'purpose' for it to hit the ground? Do chaotic events have meaning? Is determinism meaningful? Is the universe chaotic or deterministic? Here we get into dude weed territory
>>17695049
moral
adj. Of or concerned with the judgment of right or wrong of human action and character.

[Anonymous No.17695140]

>>17695120
what we perceive as human today could just be projections of things much more fundamental/universal

[Anonymous No.17695306]

>>17695140
If there's an object under my desk that I know about, but cannot detect with any of my senses, does it still exist? I can't see it or smell it or taste it or hear it, and I'm not touching it, but of coarse it still exists, even tho I cannot sense it. Likewise, if there were another object that I DIDN'T know about, would it still exist in reality? Yes, it would. So existence itself is not dependent upon human perception, yet we would fain to label something 'meaningful'... meaning for whom? How can something have meaning in-and-of itself? I'm fucking stoned idk wtf im even saying honestly

[Anonymous No.17695347]

>>17694459
>I believe God will find this reasonable.
He found collecting the foreskins of your enemies reasonable so probably

[Anonymous No.17695349]

>>17694344
>>17694423
>>17694161
At least quote it right

1 Timothy
6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

[Anonymous No.17695427]

>>17695306
>>17694687

millions of isolated worlds in the universe could be developing independent "intelligent" "life" (even in non-biological sense) forms.
its ultimately likely that all of them with sufficient knowledge would have developed a way to express what we mean when we say "gravity".
would all of them also have developed ways to express what we mean when we say "moral", with the only exception that they apply it to their own kind rather than humans?
would all of them also have developed ways to express what we mean by "meaning"? "purpose"?

is so, you'd still say the meaning of those words are just human constructs?

[Anonymous No.17695443]

>>17695120
You haven't answered my question. How do you know the universe is amoral?

[Anonymous No.17695446]

>>17695306
>>17694687

millions of isolated worlds in the universe could be developing independent "intelligent" "life" (even in non-biological sense) forms.
its ultimately likely that all of them with sufficient level of knowledge would have developed a way to express what we mean when we say "gravity".
would all of them also have developed ways to express what we mean when we say "moral", with the only exception that they apply it to their own kind rather than humans?
would all of them also have developed ways to express what we mean by "meaning"? "purpose"?

if so, you'd still say the meaning of those words are just human constructs?

[Anonymous No.17695581]

>>17695443
Because moral is an english word and its definition pertains to humans. If an earthquake kills a bunch of people, is the earthquake 'immoral' or 'evil'? It is, but only ""in relation"" to the humans, not in any absolute sense. The deterministic/chaotic movements of the universe have no intention behind them, so how can they have morality?
>>17695446
Each being has it's own concept of good and evil, as pertains to itself. For example, Jewish world domination is bad if you aren't a Jew, but it's very good if you are a Jew, etc. Maybe there's a conception of Good that is cross-cultural or even cross-species, but it would still be only in relation to Life, not absolute

[Anonymous No.17695582]

>>17694423
Money is power. But time is also money. So evil is a derivative of power amplified by money accumulated on a timescale. Which can be represented with a formula:
E=P^m*t

[Anonymous No.17695617]

>>17694687
to abide by the rules of good and evil based on nothing but them being perceived as good and evil through history or human society is tethering yourself needlessly to the perception and approval of others. Living through a moral construct such as that will never grant you true freedom.
>>17695443
Why would it be moral? Thus far there has been 0 proof that the universe is either. It just is. The meaning you give it or events happening in it that are happening due to randomness(read chaos theorem) is up to you. It is however not the "absolute truth".
Getting towards the absolute truth of anything is not a possibility for humanity currently, the technology just isn't there and it might not ever be. The very behaviour of light particles itself might be proof that it is impossible, or would require a technology so advanced it would be like fucking magic to measure every particle in a system perfectly to predict the future and thus conclude whether or not the universe is X or Y.

[Anonymous No.17695663]

>>17694423
That's not false, however, in Capitalism, most of the power comes from money accumulation.

[Anonymous No.17695675]

>>17695581
>only in relation to Life, not absolute
I may be wrong on this, it's possible Life is absoulte

[Anonymous No.17695688]

>>17695581
not sure why i'm stopping the debate i have an epic argument in mind but don't feel like i should go further with this right here right now fuck

[Anonymous No.17695691]

>>17694459
>Money is simply a tool
Nope. Money is a social relationship.

[Anonymous No.17695730]

>>17694528
>There is no such thing as objective evil
Yes there is. You could split hairs on what exactly is evil for an eternity, but if you rape a little kid or torture animals and those weaker than you.. it's just evil. Demonic influence is very real and there is deep-seeded evil going on all around us.
I need God more than anything else. My head tells me to do horrific things so far away from who I really am. By the grace of God, there is some comfort and peace.

[Anonymous No.17695780]

>>17695730
Maybe its just empathy with your future self

And there is no god

[Anonymous No.17695841]

>>17695780
>there is no god
Pray tell, how do you solve the issue of causality in a material universe if there is no God?
>inb4 claims ignorance
>inb4 it's irrelevant

[Anonymous No.17695861]

>>17695581
You're making extrapolations based on limited, local observations. If the universe is deterministic, then it can't be chaotic and vice versa. If the actions of the universe has no intention, then whatever phenomena that occurs within it should have no intentions of any kind either. That includes all life, including humans. We are part of the universe as much as the universe is a part of us. It doesn't make sense to separate humans from the universe when we're directly spawned from it. If the universe is amoral, then everything within it should be uniform, right down to the views of human beings. The fact that humans can even come up with the concept of subjectivity means the attitude of the universe isn't neutral.

[Anonymous No.17695862]

>>17695730
>it's just evil
Not to the person doing the raping and torturing, it's not. Personally, I hold those things to be evil, but that is my subjective interpretation of those events, I can't rightly say that evil is 'objective', because clearly it's not, given that those actions were taken by a human who obviously doesn't hold the same subjective moral convictions as me
>>17695780
>Maybe its just empathy with your future self
based

[Anonymous No.17695866]

>>17695730
except it isn't. That is your concept of evil.
Some chinese for example torture animals because they believe it enhances the flavour of the meat. They don't see it as "evil".
Headhunters of old didn't see eating humans as "evil".
Raping a kid wasn't "evil" in ancient muslim culture at least, maybe others aswell, how often were child marriages conducted?

What you see and accept as evil is simply a consequence of your nurture and perhaps even a part nature who knows.

Your "head" "telling" you to do things is either you subconsciously wanting to do those things, or your mind coming up with all kinds of things but only the things you think you find horrific or should find horrific trigger a response of needing god to stay away from these things. If you were to abandon "god" and just think for yourself: if you were to give in to these things, whatever they are, they would likely come with unwanted consequences no? And as such you should be able to conclude, regardless of what these "horrific things" are that purely based on the consequences you shouldn't go through with them. Now after this you might come across a situation in which a "horrific thing" comes up you can do with theoretically 0 consequences. Then you consider why it came up? Do you actually want to do it? Is it just a consequence of you being tired and your brain spinning out of control? Even in this situation you might not want to do it purely based on your perception of yourself: would you want you to do it? Apparently you describe this is a "horrific thing" and as such your conclusion should be: no.

Needing to rely on "god" or external factors for comfort and peace are by definition wrong and will eventually prove fallible when this "god" abandons you, you who should have decided by yourself what morality is without losing track of your perception of yourself.

[Anonymous No.17695877]

>>17694161
no dumbfucks.
greed is the root of all evil
if not greed for money then it would be greed for whatever is of value to another person
fucking so tired of 2 dimension fuckwit logic Marxist retards please die

[Anonymous No.17695893]

>>17695866
Euphoric post, fellow redditor

[Anonymous No.17695907]

>>17694383
>double digit iq confirmed

[Anonymous No.17695943]

>>17694423
No Jews are

[Anonymous No.17696027]

>>17695893
What exactly does the rejection of an "all knowing being" based on old books and stories dating back to the Akkadians, redacted a trillion times by old men in power have to do with plebbitors?

Imagine having to rely on meme pictures because you can't pick apart someones argumentation. IQ lower than your shoesize. Theology is just an old way to keep a society coherent and semi-stable to account for individuals such as yourself that are incapable of reasoning enough to conclude what acceptable and unacceptable behaviour would be and what consequences this behaviour could have.

>>17695841
You can pull up current scientific theories on causality and particle behaviour and try to learn about it yourself, though I do foresee some issues in comprehending the material in your case. Keep in mind that most of these are theories and as such, as the word theory and not truth should tell you; it's a theory, not an absolute truth, because we cannot prove anything as absolute truth with our current technology.

[Anonymous No.17696083]

Gold? yellow, glittering, precious gold? No, gods,
I am no idle votarist: roots, you clear heavens!
Thus much of this will make black white, foul fair,
Wrong right, base noble, old young, coward valiant.
Ha, you gods! why this? what this, you gods? Why, this
Will lug your priests and servants from your sides,
Pluck stout men's pillows from below their heads:
This yellow slave
Will knit and break religions, bless the accursed,
Make the hoar leprosy adored, place thieves
And give them title, knee and approbation
With senators on the bench: this is it
That makes the wappen'd widow wed again;
She, whom the spital-house and ulcerous sores
Would cast the gorge at, this embalms and spices
To the April day again. Come, damned earth,
Thou common whore of mankind, that put'st odds
Among the route of nations, I will make thee
Do thy right nature.
etc.

[Anonymous No.17696129]

>>17696027
>cannot prove anything as absolute truth with our current technology
HOLY SHIT GET HELP YOU IDIOT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
Fucking hell the absolute state of brainlet redditors holy shit
I could show to you a perfect example of a true principle and I bet you would reject it out of hand. Do you even believe there is such a thing as objective truth? Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.17696146]

>>17694161
Money is a medium of exchange.

[Anonymous No.17696154]

>>17696129
Try it summerfag, show me.

[Anonymous No.17696191]

>>17696146
reductionism

[Anonymous No.17696193]

>>17696154
Here you go, bucko, get ready to clean your penis
>Something that is true cannot be false.
Is the above principle true? If so, then I have just demonstrated that there is objective truth.
If you claim that it is not, then surely you have to realize that such a statement defeats itself; if what you said is true, then you have just demonstrated that there is in fact truth.

[Anonymous No.17696213]

>>17696191
Good luck trying to get what you need without a medium of exchange. You'll need to find someone who has exactly what you need, and wants exactly what you have. Money is necessary for a functional economy.

[Anonymous No.17696233]

>>17696213
yes money is necessary and has its good sides but its not that simple

[Anonymous No.17696244]

>>17694161
If that was true, then serial killers who aren't killing for money aren't evil.

[Anonymous No.17696251]

>>17696193
>>17696193
Except it is a play on words retard, I said absolute truth.

But yes I can prove it wrong:
If all the color I see is black and white without greys and you present me with a piece of paper with a color on it.

If I say that color is black and you say it's green, you can bring out the spectrometer and everything but it doesn't matter: to me the truth is that the color is black. To you the truth is that the color is green.

As such it is both true and false at the same time.

You can go into this deeper and expand more on it to account for scenario X or Y or Z but regardless the outcome is the same.
Should have expected your 1 digit IQ to come up with something as retarded as this

[Anonymous No.17696255]

>>17696233
>its not that simple
What's your point? Money isn't evil. It's not the root of evil. It's a tool for exchanging what you have for what you want.

[Anonymous No.17696286]

>>17696255
it is a root for a lot of evil. its glorification, yearning for it, , lack of, abundance of

[Anonymous No.17696312]

>>17695861
I agree with all of that

[Anonymous No.17696322]

>>17696251
>As such it is both true and false at the same time.
Is that a true statement or not?

[Anonymous No.17696328]

>>17694423
actually, for evil = 4

the root of all evil is 2

[Anonymous No.17696336]

>>17694161

Since when are firefighters explosives experts and since when do they run into burning buildings to spend 12 hours drilling holes to blow up buildings?

[Anonymous No.17696344]

>>17696286
Still no argument. How is trading what you want less for what you want more evil? Both parties in that trade benefit.

[Anonymous No.17696395]

>>17696322

[Anonymous No.17696402]

>>17694161
everyone have a different definition of the word evil

[Anonymous No.17696417]

>>17696395

[Anonymous No.17696431]

>>17696344
there is economy of crime too you know. still doesnt tell you anything about good or evil. economy doesnt explain everything

[Anonymous No.17696449]

>>17694161
No, greed is

[Anonymous No.17696518]

>>17696431
You still haven't argued that money is evil. Most uses of money are good. If money is evil because it can be used for evil, then hammers are evil because they can be used for evil.

[Anonymous No.17696530]

>>17695861
retarded, any possibility can be true, we don't know, and arguing about one or the other is equally retarded
we came up with subjectivity and it means either the probability for the atoms to come up together to make exactly that is not zero, either a god made our local region where we live inside a more chaotic space, we don't know

[Anonymous No.17696534]

>>17696417

>>17696322
for the record before you think this proves you right: it is both and neither at the same time.

[Anonymous No.17696559]

>>17696518
it is a motivation for evil. people dont kill for hammers. people dont become pieces of shit when they accumulate a lot of hammers. people dont do evil to get hammers

[Anonymous No.17696645]

>>17696559
Money is also a motivation for good. Money is a motivation to produce and provide what people need. Money also allows you to trade what you have and others need for what they have and you need.

[Anonymous No.17696774]

>>17696645
True, it doesnt clash with what I said

[Anonymous No.17696825]

>>17696774
It clashes with your claim that money is evil. Also the claim that money is the root of all evil is demonstrably false. People do evil for reasons other than money all the time. Money is a tool that's necessary for a functional economy. Money also motivates people to do good more often than it motivates people to do evil. Money is good.

[Anonymous No.17696838]

>>17696825
I am not OP, I never claimed all evil or only evil

[Anonymous No.17696911]

Your kind are not welcome on /biz/.
Business is the most beautiful art.
Even the North Koreans know it. This scene from their kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZkTVpb7XI

[Anonymous No.17696979]

>>17694423
you fucking atheists need to stop trying to find "objective" roots of evil.
As outlined by the Bible, satan is the root of evil, and all those who yearn for worldly things are inadvertent or aware followers of satan and are evil.
you will never understand the nature of evil if you think its like something out of some hollyjew movie where touching a rock or a piece of paper makes it possess your body and do bad things. Your mental gymnastics to explain your special brand of "atheistic moral guideposts" will never make any sense and will always be flawed. Swallow your hubris and submit to God, the Creator, and his son, Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.17697712]

>>17695691
you're thinking of credit. There's a difference

[Anonymous No.17697960]

>>17696146
Not false, but it's true nature is being a social relationship.

[Anonymous No.17697981]

>>17696213
Have you ever tried to think about a world without economy, or you can't?

[Anonymous No.17698016]

>>17696534
utter retard

[Anonymous No.17698036]

"The love of money is the root to all evil*" - 1 Timothy 6:10

Money is a tool. If you let it rule over you, and think paper itself will bring you happiness, purpose, than of course you will be miserable and bitter like the rest of the NEETS on this board.

[Anonymous No.17698065]

Where's 42 when you need him?
Hey buddy, what's your take on this?

[Anonymous No.17698087]

>>17694161
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lSaKoijh6YDd/
Money is a tool to facilitate relationships between people. But money today is an enslaver rather than the tool. This tool has been bastardized by them through fractional reserve banking. Money is a very simple phenomena but (((they))) purposely make it seem complicated; sending you down false trails to waste your time on. You can go down these trails for a very long time before you look around and go, "wait a minute..."

[Anonymous No.17698115]

>>17695877
single digit IQ confirmed.

[Anonymous No.17698916]

[Anonymous No.17698924]

Better slide the thread once real information is put out>>17698916

[Anonymous No.17699625]

Not having money is the root of all evil.

[Anonymous No.17699743]

>>17694459
Read the Bible, anon. He doesn't. If you even look with lust at a woman, you have sinned. Repent and live a life of true value and happiness. I can attest. Happiness is in virtue. Read Aristotle.

[Anonymous No.17699964]

>>17698016
Onononono AHAHAHAHA imagine samefagging

[Anonymous No.17700023]

>>17694383
>Ignores psychopath serial torturers
>Ignores rapists
>Ignores racially-motivated genocide
>Ignores domestic abusers
>Ignores substance abusers
>Ignores pedophiles

[Anonymous No.17700545]

>>17694423
No. Jews is the root of all evil.

[Anonymous No.17700598]

>>17694936
Cope.

[Anonymous No.17700655]

Easier and more accurate to just say Greed is the root of all evil

[Anonymous No.17700681]

>>17700655
No dude. Satan is the root of all evil.

[Anonymous No.17700695]

>>17696979
God is the root of all evil, because he is the root of all things.

[Anonymous No.17700718]

>>17700695
it's all just random chaos.

[Anonymous No.17700740]

>>17700718
That’s fine too.

[Anonymous No.17700857]

>>17700695
Evil is part of God’s wonderful plan.

[Anonymous No.17701899]

>>17694161
(((evil))) is the root of (((money))).