/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.18681719]

Wow, what a strong economy America.

[Anonymous No.18681741]

the debt is internal
they're literally printing free money

[Anonymous No.18681743]

>>18681719
prove that it even matters

[Anonymous No.18681780]

>>18681719
Now plot it on a log scale.

[Anonymous No.18681789]

>>18681743
When that little dip happened in 2008 it caused a massive crisis. What happens when coronavirus shutdowns cause it to crash to 0 due to money printing and defaulting?

[Anonymous No.18681816]

>>18681719
>debt bad
How to know someone has <75 IQ

[Anonymous No.18681897]

>>18681816

[Anonymous No.18681917]

>>18681816
It is when revenues plummet for years due to a plague retard.

[Anonymous No.18681928]

>>18681743
don't worry, you will soon find out how it works

[Anonymous No.18681929]

printing money doesnt create inflation

[Anonymous No.18681943]

All that matters is that the rest of the world compares prices to USD and I doubt that will change. EUR is a competitor but they are also printing money now, no?

The real problem is that being a millionaire isn't as impressive any more, USD should reissue money and exchange 20 old USD for 1 new USD.

[Anonymous No.18681950]

>>18681897
I hate Jews. I wish I didn’t.

[Anonymous No.18682058]

>>18681929
>What cost $2500 in 1959 would cost $21777.23 in 2019.
>real M2 $2500 in 1959, $19k in 2018
wtf?

[Anonymous No.18682142]

>>18681897
>>18681917
t. <75 IQ

[Anonymous No.18682168]

>>18682142

[Anonymous No.18682258]

>>18681816

Debt is mostly bad. Most people who think they understand debt, don't. They think of debt as somehow transporting capital from the future to use today. In reality debt essentially is just delegated control of existing capital. It allows people without capital to control it, increasing competition for control of capital, and so theoretically resulting in a more productive allocation of capital. But on the other hand it creates rent seekers who no longer have to produce. Instead they just leech on interest payments.

Low levels of debt in scenarios where it increases production can help. The problem is once you introduce debt in a society its hard to get rid of it. When debt unwinds, capital is left unallocated which reduces production. So a society has to constantly maintain or increase levels of debt to avoid this. The problem is the benefits of debt don't scale as fast as the weight of the rent seekers. So you end up with high inequality where most of the populace are locked into continually servicing debt to a minority of people who control most of the wealth. Its a very inefficient system that can't be rolled back without a lot of pain in the short term.

[Anonymous No.18682271]

>>18681929
When people complain about the fed printing money, what they mean is complaining about how the fed can create money from nothing and give it out as a loan to a bank/government, which indeed creates inflation retard.

[Anonymous No.18682402]

>>18681816
>debt TRIPLE the gdp very gud
top moron

[Anonymous No.18682489]

>>18681719
End private banking.

[Anonymous No.18682500]

>>18682489
end paper money. no more IOU and the jews lose their power

[Anonymous No.18682517]

>>18682058
>>18682271
>'08 fed prints like 1.5 trillion
>negative inflation
>'20 fed printing 6 trillion (and probably more)
>projected 2% inflation still
inflation has been well below 10% since the 80s when the money printer began brrrrrrrrrring but hit 20% before the printer. inflation is a FUCKING MEME

[Anonymous No.18682564]

>>18682517
>>18682517
look at M2 at the very least, and why would you expect the effect of this to be immediate?
answer me this: if no money was printed in excess of productivity growth from 1960 until 2020, and the total amount of M2 stayed stuck at 2500BN$ for this 60 years, would $1 in 1960 now be worth $9?

inflation is extremely complex, especially in the short run.

[Anonymous No.18682568]

>>18682517
>'08 fed prints like 1.5 trillion
>negative inflation
um.. no

[Anonymous No.18682580]

>>18682489
you're about 300 years too late to be calling for that

[Anonymous No.18682596]

>>18682271
>>18681929

https://realinvestmentadvice.com/where-is-inflation-hiding-in-asset-prices/

[Anonymous No.18682645]

>>18681929
the CPI/inflation is well known to be a heavily manipulated index. The consumer basket changes yearly to make sure the index doesn't show real loss of value of money.

There is also a time delay effect on excessive (above GDP growth) money printing.
The inflation first hits assets like real estate, stocks, and only a few years down begins to hit actual consumer goods/services.

[Anonymous No.18682680]

>>18682568
Tell me about shadowstats

[Anonymous No.18682684]

>>18682645
>>18682596
>>18682568
>>18682564
bbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Anonymous No.18682761]

>>18682680
do you really believe we're having negative inflation when the cost of living for average Americans has been rising relentlessly for the last 20 years?

[Anonymous No.18682793]

another tankie America bad thread? How exactly large of a refund are you not getting?

[Anonymous No.18682807]

>>18682258
>>18682402
t. <75IQ

[Anonymous No.18682832]

>>18681743
we're gonna skin you fuckers on the steps of the NY federal reserve

[Anonymous No.18682860]

>>18681743
The French Revolution alone proves national debt matters you dumb kike.

[Anonymous No.18682891]

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[Anonymous No.18682908]

>>18682891
but if tachyon beshields my privacy, who will beshield tachyon???

[Anonymous No.18682919]

>>18682860
Lol ok grampa what other lessons can we learn from 900 years ago

[Anonymous No.18683002]

>>18682919
That abortion works, and we should have applied it more liberally.

[Anonymous No.18683012]

>>18682761
do you really believe we have 10% inflation year over year?

[Anonymous No.18683059]

>>18682761
no, i'm just asking you to tell me about what the source does differently than cpi

[Anonymous No.18683066]

>>18681743
This.
It has never been so cheap to borrow money, if having a lot of debt was a problem, then why are people still willing to lend money for practically nothing - and i am not just talking about central banks, Treasury bonds and bank lending to consumers are also really cheap, at no point when the US was on the gold standard could you borrow money for a house as cheaply as you can today.

[Anonymous No.18683097]

>>18682258
True. QE and making debt higher and still more cheaper only pushes problems further into future.

[Anonymous No.18683185]

>>18682517
Idiot, of course the money doesnt disappear, it goes into assets and creates inflation there. The characteristic that QE doesnt create consumer inflation but asset inflation shows that it internally flawed. The money doesnt go into wages and consume but to investors who dont put it productively in action but put it in real estate, stocks, and in case of company owners often share buybacks. It makes the rich richer.

[Anonymous No.18683188]

>>18683012
of course. house prices quadrupled or quintupled since 2009. that the annualized inflation rate on that?

[Anonymous No.18683203]

>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST PRINT MONEY RON PAUL COULDVE PREVENTED THIS ITS NOT FAIR I PAID 500/OZ PREMIUM ON MY GOLD EAGLES FUCK DRUMPF FUCK VOLCKER AND FUCK JEROME POWEL

[Anonymous No.18683264]

>>18683188
>soiboi r*ddit haircut
>cheap jewish headset
>chad

[Anonymous No.18683321]

>>18683066
You are wrong on so many levels it hurts
kys rabbi, before we come for (((you)))

[Anonymous No.18683330]

>>18681743
Based, teach these retards a lesson.

[Anonymous No.18683347]

>>18683012
we have an averaged yearly 8.50% inflation since more than a decade you cuckike

[Anonymous No.18683380]

>>18681743
It doesn't matter until it does, no empire lasts forever and the US is on a serious slope.

[Anonymous No.18683435]

>>18683012
Yes. It accounts for real estate.

[Anonymous No.18683456]

>>18681897
what jews really hate is when you point out china is outjewing the jews and outnumber them by 1.3 billion

[Anonymous No.18683483]

>>18681719
>it’s a retards think the debt of a nation is the same as their credit card debt episode

lol

[Anonymous No.18683534]

>>18682645
The 1% on business that actually knows anything about macroeconomics

[Anonymous No.18683594]

>>18683483
lol

[Anonymous No.18683856]

>>18683435
>>18683188
so now assets that return slightly above inflation are unacceptable to you?
is that because you are the loser in this equation or just a loser in general?

>>18683347
I'll take that to mean in general

[Anonymous No.18683886]

>>18681929
>>18682517
Let me guess you're using the post Boskin commission CPI numbers aren't you? Fucking plebs.

[Anonymous No.18684532]

>>18683456
Remind me again how much "military help" the US is giving to China every year?
Tell me about this ACPAC every politician in the US negociate with.
Have anyone ever called China the best ally of the USA?
Is the US ready to invade countries threatening China?

[Anonymous No.18684554]

>>18682271
USD inflation won't happen

[Anonymous No.18684810]

>>18684554
>Reserve currency status is eternal
>History is over and nothing will ever change.

[Anonymous No.18684861]

>>18681929
believing this number is like believing CCP economic numbers desu. If you don't understand the fraud behind this calculation then you're not even trying

[Anonymous No.18686145]

>>18681743
BUY HIGH, SELL LOW. Remember that when you see your portfolio tank.

[Anonymous No.18686166]

>>18681929
Then why are prices of goods rising?

[Anonymous No.18686385]

>>18683066
Its called kicking the can down the road. Either money keeps getting lended for nothing and inflation happens or the decide to raise interest rates and defaults happen bursting the everything bubble.

[Anonymous No.18686470]

>>18684810
I agree. At this point our reserve currency status is based on how easily our military could fuck everyone else up and who's the first to feel froggy and try something.

All it takes is for one currency to be more lucrative and stable to trade in. As of now there is none. China could've had one but they were the king of money printing. The moment someone says hey trade in our dollar instead of the US we wilt try to ruin them. We may succeed through sanctions or wat, but that will cost money too and someone else will try something again after that. We just can't fight that battle forever. Either we destroy the competition or slowly collapse.

[Anonymous No.18687371]

those who hold US debt also benefit from continuing the ponzi scheme. e.g. let's say china owns a significant % of US debt, they don't actually lose "money" because they gain more through continuing the global trade and selling made-in-china shit to americans. the moment they demand massive payment of this debt is the moment they also hurt themselves. granted, they've already hurt the world economy with this memeflu but that was a power play. china is rich enough and their government is more united so they can withstand corona fallout better than usa. they also have more people so their citizenry is expendable. 1.4 billion chinks vs. usa's 330-350m.

china could lose 100 million chinks dead to the memeflu (if it's real) and still operate fine. amerizog would need more migrants to do the jobs. here in socal most of the manual labor jobs are performed by mexicans. there's even employed blacks who drive gasoline trucks and mail, i've seen it. let's say the bioweapon was accidental, china still benefits as they can handle it better and absorb the damage.