Kleros Thread? Kleros Thread.

[Anonymous No.20637892]

Only Kleros chads are allowed in this thread.

Let's talk about how this chart is looking. I think it's super very sexy. What are your predictions for end of the month, end of next month, end of year, and end of 2021?

I think we'll break through 10 cents by next week, by end of next month we'll be at 15, by end of year we'll be at 50 cents, and by end of 2021 we'll be at $5. Is this FUD or FOMO? lemme know what you guys think

Also, when is this shit going to dip, if at all? Will it even dip before 25 cents?

[Anonymous No.20637958]

302 is going to really hurt Kleros regardless of it's outcome.

[Anonymous No.20637969]

>>20637958
why?

[Anonymous No.20637999]

>>20637958
why's that?

[Anonymous No.20638023]

>>20637969
>>20637999
Omens retarded policies let this super opinionated question get through. Both sides are adamant that they are correct. Tons of big stacks heavily vested in 302 voting. When one side loses, they'll not only lose PNK, but also feel like the platform has failed.
Will likely see a price dump regardless of a yes or no decision.

[Anonymous No.20638146]

>>20638023
this
realitio fucking sucks, omen’s policies fucking suck, kleros will get the blame and sub-1k linkies will gloat endlessly for the next year
shitshow

[Anonymous No.20638157]

>>20638023
I agree that the question is stupid and poorly worded, but I think it will set a standard for how questions are interpreted in the future. For example, in my eyes the question should be interpreted completely how it is written, literally. So when it says "reported", and "reputable source", these are the keywords that stick out to me the most. I think the majority of people should be voting yes on this, based on the information that was provided in the question. I get where you're coming from, and I could definitely see that happening though. But in my eyes, it's fairly obvious that any questions should be self-contained and be interpreted exactly as they are written, correct or incorrect. Does this make sense? I don't even understand why people are voting on no... I hope that when the case is settled it will be very one-sided, otherwise I'm afraid that your prediction will come true. I can't see the case because I'm not part of it, would you happen to know how many votes are on either side of the argument so far?

[Anonymous No.20638193]

>>20638023
Also, if this is true, does it make sense to sell half of my stack in anticipation of the dip? Or should I just hold through

[Anonymous No.20638214]

There is no clear answer to case 302. This was a stupid fucking question that will cost me 500 PNK + a lost arbitration fee = 50$ or so.

I sold half my bag, I think we will dip as a result of this bullshit

[Anonymous No.20638217]

>>20638157
http://klerosboard.com/dispute/
search for 302
No is winning by a landslide
you’re completely right

[Anonymous No.20638255]

>>20638217
better to have this happen sooner than later. i still believe in the project but it is a major setback, will be a good opportunity to collect profits and accumulate at a lower price

[Anonymous No.20638274]

>>20638193
I'll likely be selling 100 or 200k of my 300k stack.
>>20638157
>>20638217
Fact is, the voting is biased. If I hadn't already voted yes, and I was looking at Kleroscan and such, I'd immediately vote no because it seems like the most likely to win. This is a complete failure in Kleros' technology.

[Anonymous No.20638332]

I look forward to you all dumping for misunderstanding such limitations in the first place.
There is still a week left, plenty of votes. The fact that this is not even 100m marketcap with such attention is ridiculous. Whatever ends up happening, this is just the beginning.

[Anonymous No.20638349]

>>20638274
>>20638255
>>20638214
I agree it's better to have these issues at the start, that way the team can work out a standard for question phrasing.

Any predictions on what the dip price will get to? Looks like we have good support at .05

[Anonymous No.20638415]

>>20638349
eth pair is more important imo, could drop back to low 200s, with however many decimal places make sense lol

[Anonymous No.20638445]

>>20638349
Ill be setting my buyback point around 5 cents yes. I'll also be unstaking & not participating as a juror after this. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I don't plan to sell yet, it's possible as we get closer to having a verdict the situation changes.

[Anonymous No.20638488]

>>20638217
i heard some whale faggot voted no and he was 15% of the total votes

[Anonymous No.20638557]

>>20638488
That whale faggot is a kleros employee and staked his compensation plan of PNK.

[Anonymous No.20638564]

>>20638488
Yes, swung the results from Yes to No. Now there is a concern that jurors will vote no simply because of the whalefag

[Anonymous No.20638600]

>>20638557
i'm usually peaceful but we should hang these faggots

[Anonymous No.20639074]

klerosboard.com/dispute yo wtf why does the original version of kleroscan not have colors?

[Anonymous No.20639109]

>>20638349
I see that 0x00B5ADe4ac1fE9cCc08Addc2C10070642335117F has 83 votes in case 302. That Address currently holds over 69 million PNK. This address received 80mil tokens on what looks to be the genesis date of PNK. Can anyone explain what this address is? I assume it's owned by the team...

Similar question for 0x34Bec78b6d155e14060b3a38a8497D560F45D30e with 80 votes... This account was funded with ~15mil PNK from an address that was also created on what I believe to be the genesis date of PNK...

If these are team owned addresses and actually vote in cases, the Kleros team would be able to control the court, yes?

[Anonymous No.20639174]

>>20639074
Fuck colors. Only retards need colors to know what words mean.

[Anonymous No.20639183]

>>20639174
so when you see red at a stoplight you think 'proceed'?

[Anonymous No.20639195]

>>20639109
Do you have anything to add to this? Or do you just want to use my og content for fucking nothing?

[Anonymous No.20639197]

>>20639183
Red is a very powerful, dynamic color that reflects our physical needs whether to show affection and love, or to portray terror, fear, and survival. Red is also a very energizing color that can portray friendliness and strength, but can also be demanding and show aggression depending on its context.

Overall, if you’re looking to have a really powerful presence or get someone’s attention fast, red is your go-to color. Just remember to use it sparingly to avoid the extreme negative reactions it can so easily awaken.

[Anonymous No.20639211]

>>20639195
no sorry. trying to connect it to the kleroscan thing. didnt mean to steal, rather reinforce my point

[Anonymous No.20639223]

>>20639183
If I see words, I read them. Words exist in this world.

[Anonymous No.20639233]

>>20639174
my point was that there WAS an original codebase that kleroscan was adapted to. somewhere along the line the decision was made to add colors to the results

[Anonymous No.20639248]

>>20639223
Aphantasia is a phenomenon in which people are unable to visualize imagery.

[Anonymous No.20639258]

>>20639233
Kleroscam is ran by a 3rd party. Not kleros. KNOW THAT.

[Anonymous No.20639268]

>>20639258
yes but third party devs need money too. you don't see how it would be possible to 'motivate' that change?

[Anonymous No.20639282]

>>20639258
kleros promotes it as the way to view voting results though, at least community members - so at a minimum its a widely used tool with a very specific change (addition of colors)

[Anonymous No.20639301]

>>20639258
if you asked me to view the results, or i asked you to view the results, we would both tell eachother 'kleroscan, duh'. thats my whole point. you clearly dug down to find corruption with genesis wallets staking no.

[Anonymous No.20639322]

basically, due to the color change, the 'oversight' with votes being public etc, i am left with no choice to believe that kleroscan is not complicit with the whales we both despise


its awfully convenient regardless and a '3rd party dev' is a pretty good alibi heh

[Anonymous No.20639325]

>>20639282
Fuck. Colors. And apparently fuck logic and data, based upon the kleros team member voting NO on 302. The court is effectively being ran by a mob.

[Anonymous No.20639327]

We will correct back to 0.06 before mooning to 0.24 AAVE price chart is what is going tyo happen to Kleros

[Anonymous No.20639341]

and the fact that they havent changed kleroscan yet, with several people bringing it to the team's attention (its literally a 1 second css change) is a bit concerning.

[Anonymous No.20639360]

>>20639325
yeah, my whole point is that normies are prone to color psychology. im not arguing about /biz/ people getting tricked. think of the normies. they are literally programmed. this only reinforces this


did you know that the colors switch on majority?

this is displayed nowhere...

[Anonymous No.20639381]

>>20639341
Because no one gives a shit. The only thing that matter is the ability of the fucking team to own a third of the votes and ultimately control the 'decentralized court".

[Anonymous No.20639396]

If you have any common sense you'll know by now pnk is about to hit the 100M + market cap plus soon. When you seeing commenting on here falsely suggesting to you that its gonna dump, be smart enough to know they are trying to buy. For these reasons pnk will keep going up.
You wanna be the one to buy back ur token after losing half of it to these bunch of thiefs that playing reverse psychology on you? A lot of them already sold now they are deceiving you so they can buy back.

[Anonymous No.20639477]

Yeah, especially when you see them acting like they are holders. These are all fudders who've been left behind and they too can see pnk is about to do a mega move upwards. Anyone who can't see the sign of what's about to happen doesnt deserve to make it. Especially now that all the broke weak holders have been bought out, this is about to do a zoom to moon.

[Anonymous No.20639599]

>>20639477
>>20639396
its not fud dude. this shit undermines the whole platform if they can just sway votes via whale signalling. stop being complicit

[Anonymous No.20639660]

What's a make it stack? Can we get into dollars?

[Anonymous No.20639687]

>>20639660
ask the genesis whales buying out the vote

[Anonymous No.20639760]

>>20639477
Lmao ok pinklet

[Anonymous No.20639803]

>>20638214
Post the sell transaction pajeet

[Anonymous No.20639904]

This is the fault of fags shilling to pol and pol did what they always do, ruin things. A bunch of incel maga retards telling everybody to vote no because they want to own da libz. The fuckin text was clear there was no reason to go well actually autistic about the question

[Anonymous No.20639991]

>>20638023
LOL imagine thinking this. Wew. Are you literally retarded? This is insanely bullish. The fact that we are even talking about ONE specific case proves this.

[Anonymous No.20640017]

>>20639396
Lead us into the darkness, anon.
We are here with you.
No one said it would be easy.

[Anonymous No.20640238]

https://resolve.kleros.io/cases/301

guys. Yes has a chance. 301 ruled in favor of yes. theres no way they can stack the jury now

[Anonymous No.20640352]

>>20639991
Based pink id

[Anonymous No.20640403]

>>20639991
>LOL imagine thinking this. Wew. Are you literally retarded?
Yes

[Anonymous No.20640565]

>>20637892
yesterday I've put literally all the money I could put into pnk. It's not much, but to me it was everything I saved.
I hope I did the right choice

[Anonymous No.20640584]

>>20638023
>When one side loses, they'll not only lose PNK, but also feel like the platform has failed.
But by the very nature of the system, more people will feel like the platform has succeeded.

[Anonymous No.20640753]

>>20640565
Same god will provide! 33

[Anonymous No.20640768]

>>20637892
PNK + CAP PARTNERSHIP WHEN????


>>20640519
>>20640519

[Anonymous No.20640869]

>>20638274
>Fact is, the voting is biased. If I hadn't already voted yes, and I was looking at Kleroscan and such, I'd immediately vote no because it seems like the most likely to win. This is a complete failure in Kleros' technology.
Kleros does support commit-then-reveal type of voting. As to why it's not used, Lord knows.

[Anonymous No.20641175]

So. Kleros case shows the language needs to be more specific when making a prediction market. Moving forward, people use clear, specific language.

Now what? No one will need to use kleros anymore.

[Anonymous No.20641274]

>>20641175
It was clear. You faggot basement frogs wanted to push your narrative instead of just answer the question

[Anonymous No.20641418]

>>20640768
>literal who?
PNK seems to be following the same exact trajectory as LINK this is fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.20641511]

sir the memes are growing better

[Anonymous No.20641771]

sir

[Anonymous No.20641872]

I don’t understand how anyone could vote no and I don’t understand why votes are public

[Anonymous No.20641916]

>>20639381
>The only thing that matter is the ability of the fucking team to own a third of the votes and ultimately control the 'decentralized court".
Is it true this was a founders wallet? This whole thing feels really rotten

[Anonymous No.20642214]

sir

[Anonymous No.20642420]

>>20637892
looking into becoming a juror as a side hustle, why the fuck is the stake so high (35000) pnk to earn 0.1 eth in some cases. Whats going on with this. Please explain, I am mildly retarded, hence why I would make a perfect kleros juror

[Anonymous No.20642529]

>>20642420
My guess is that they'll update stake as the value goes up. Remembering that this is a pretty big ATH currently being experienced.

[Anonymous No.20642666]

>>20638157
The Kleros Court is an ODR system not an oracle. You want a reasoned judgment in those cases, if not why would you need a complicated system of game theory, blockchain and anonymous jurors then?

Still very early and the team need to fix some things but too bad some people don't even know what they are holding.

[Anonymous No.20642686]

I think 302 will be good for everyone no matter the outcome.
>It sets a precedent, a good case can be made for both. Are questions to be taken at face value or should they be interpreted by the Kleros court?
>By being this fought over it shows that actual arguments are taken into consideration by the Kleros court. If it was just a simple yes/no 100% vote, thank you for your arbitration fees sirs! It would hurt Kleros a lot.
>There is always an option to appeal and go into the next round.
>There is an option to use commit/reveal scheme.

[Anonymous No.20642725]

>>20638193
Sell half your stack your in over your head.

[Anonymous No.20642764]

>>20642420
You would lose only a little bit of that stack if you voted incoherently. Like for example 1.5K PNK, not 35K

[Anonymous No.20642905]

If the court simply ignores the Yes evidence then the confidence in it will drop greatly.

[Anonymous No.20643002]

>>20642905
Based on the evidence Yes is the only obvious answer. Anything else is adding personal opinion

[Anonymous No.20643016]

>>20642905
>>20643002
I can see you have thought about this greatly

I have not, I am simply holding 100k PNK for a long fucking time.

[Anonymous No.20643027]

>>20637892
sir

[Anonymous No.20643135]

>>20642905
lol sell now if you truly believe that. http://kleroscan.com/dispute/302

Kleros doesn't want the obvious answer (you could just use an ML solution for that) they want the wisdom of crowds

[Anonymous No.20643187]

>>20643016
Long term it's probably going to fine, but it sets a precedence where interpretation is more up to the court - which is fine if you think so.

However this is a lot harder than interpreting question in a literal sense.

>>20643135
The people wants the obvious answer, it's just a dev with 88 votes that has swayed the decision to No for now. That's even worse.

[Anonymous No.20643199]

>>20643187
It's going to be interesting to see how many addresses are on each side. If one side clearly has more addresses then Kleros is just $$$ talking, nothing more.

[Anonymous No.20643209]

>>20643199
That is if the losing side has more addresses. I know this is prone to Sybil attacks as anyone can create a new address and that this is what the token is for.

But assuming that unique addresses are different persons then it will look really bad if a small number of big whales control the outcome.

[Anonymous No.20643275]

The point is that if the majority in Kleros differs from the majority outside. When the majority of holders clearly wants Yes and a small set of large holders sway it to No, then the system is entirely at the mercy of the subjectivity of a few holders. I get that the problem is not sybil resistant so this is impossible to enforce as design right now, but the point is that it will be easy to measure the opinion about the case here and on Twitter. If the court has an entire other opinion because of a few big holders then the system is too centralized to be effectively viewed as "decentralized".

[Anonymous No.20643352]

>>20643187
In a yes/no-dispute there is no 'obvious' and 'non-obvious' answer from the get go.
It's just two answers.
Either one is clearly correct, in which case it should be the right, and perhaps in that case, the 'obvious' answer, so why would Kleros not want the right answer to win?

Or, a yes/no question can be difficult due to for example conflicting source claims, bad phrasing leading to confusion etc.
In such cases two people can end up with different answers due to different interpretations.
I suppose you mean in these cases you need people to decide, and the 'crowd wisdom'.

>wisdom of crowds
1) Most people are idiots.
2) Most people would side with the biggest crowd.
3) If you don't side with the biggest crowd in a case, you lose money (?)

What am I not getting here?

[Anonymous No.20643369]

>>20643352
That the "crowd" in Kleros is not actually the crowd. A few large holders (devs) are controlling the majority vote. 88/122 No votes were just given by a single juror.

[Anonymous No.20643379]

>>20643275
I guess you are right if that's the case. The obvious solution was to make the voting process secret. Also, with a deeper pool of jurors these types of attacks would be harder to do.

[Anonymous No.20643402]

>>20643369
Yes, I was implying this also.

That there is strong incentive to side with whales/devs rather than form your independent opinion

[Anonymous No.20643424]

>>20643369
On the No side
83/122 by 0x00B5ADe4ac1fE9cCc08Addc2C10070642335117F
28/122 by 0x98eF00F6850855d9606cf1058EDfD4a1a8A4F08E

There's literally two addresses behind the entire No side

[Anonymous No.20643443]

>>20643424
Not quite literally, but there is 5-10x more addresses on the Yes side.

I'll make some stats on this later

[Anonymous No.20643456]

>>20643402
Then the truth in "arbiter of truth" is just what the whales / devs think because of a lack of sufficient token distribution. This can kill a network

[Anonymous No.20643488]

>>20643456
I don't know much about Kleros, but what is the downside of 1 person=1vote?
Smaller payouts for the winners?
Is it impossible to have because you can make multiple adresses?

[Anonymous No.20643513]

>>20643488
Yes, that's the Sybil attack problem - the possibility for malicious actors to forge new (unlimited) identities. There is no way to verify the identity of a person behind an address, so tokens are added to make it pointless to create new addresses.

[Anonymous No.20643660]

>>20643513
Doesnt Kleros address this in the whitepaper by juror selection process

[Anonymous No.20643860]

sir

[Anonymous No.20644058]

>>20643660
No, they only state that the PNK token prevents the sybil attack problem because each jurors must stake the token

[Anonymous No.20644187]

Will it dip that much with the whole case? I'd rather swing 100k of my 500k stack when we see 10c fluctuations than risk a 2 cent decrease
Either that or the whole problems that arose with this case bombs PNK

[Anonymous No.20644238]

>>20644187
Dumping this shit hard will send a clear message to the big whales / team. If the community exits the Kleros platform because it is a de facto dictatorship then it will just die a slow death.

[Anonymous No.20644252]

>>20644187
It won't, they can still appeal the verdict and also have the option to use the commit/reveal scheme.

[Anonymous No.20644270]

>>20644238
Dumping stacks or dumping the price.?
I'm a brainlet, I rather just hold than try swinging

[Anonymous No.20644893]

>>20643424
The devs need to fuck off from this or be limited in votes somehow. This is disgusting.

[Anonymous No.20645078]

>>20644893
They staked because of security issues (many jurors, big attack surface for malicious users in general court). Remember this case was a first, an experiment. The team could have voted "refuse to arbitrate" though. I have information that they agree this would have been better.

[Anonymous No.20645268]

What the fuck?

I thought this was all about secret votes and one wallet/one vote. This all seems incredibly sus now.

Should I just trash my stack and go all in on AMPL?

[Anonymous No.20645476]

They just managed to centralize the court

If their vote wins no matter what the fud will be tough to beat

[Anonymous No.20645731]

>>20645078
So they threw down on the no side to donate their stake to the yesies and demonstrate the robustness of the game theory?

[Anonymous No.20646138]

But PNK. They can’t stop us if enough of us are jurors, doesn’t matter how many genesis jurors they have.

[Anonymous No.20646253]

>>20640565
I FUCKING HATE THIS FUCKING SHIT. FUCK THIS SCAM

[Anonymous No.20646482]

sir

[Anonymous No.20647247]

>>20637892
Feeling comfy with 25k

[Anonymous No.20647279]

holding around 100k, going to make it

[Anonymous No.20647367]

>>20646253
You mad that people are moving from LINK to this?