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[Anonymous No.25133435]

Can someone explain United Kingdom 10Y Bond Yield to me and why they have decreased for 30 years?

[Anonymous No.25133496]

>>25133435
Reflects the ability of the government to pay back it's debt. Now that the U.K. resembles Africa, it's currency has become equally worthless.

[Anonymous No.25133508]

>>25133435
buy the dip

[Anonymous No.25133730]

Western countries bond implosion when?

[Anonymous No.25133759]

>>25133435
>>25133496
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MBM0UKM

[Anonymous No.25133799]

>>25133759
What's this and can you explain the correlation to bonds?

[Anonymous No.25133816]

>>25133496
fpbp

[Anonymous No.25133904]

>>25133799
it's the money printed in the uk up to 2017 when they stoped publishing it due to plebs starting to ask question about why properties had such high prices.
The correlation to bonds is simple , to buy bonds is to finance a government you only buy them if they give you interest since you could have invested money somewhere else.

WIth the uk destroying it's currency richbongs started to throw their good boy points(gbp) into anything they could like properties inflating them to absurd levels.
But corporations and other type of organizations can't do that shit so they park their money in bonds since cash can be defaulted or banks can go broke ,but bonds won't be paid only in case of total revolution and fall of government.

So basically they are paying for the right of losing money by buying bonds that give returns below of inflation.
Bongs pensions and most of european pensions are also doing the same , you pay a pension fund and that pension fund is forced to buy bonds that give returns of less than 1% while inflation is 3%.

So euroc*cks are paying for the right of losing money thanks to mr keynes wisdom.
Short welfare states while you still can.

[Anonymous No.25134007]

>>25133904
Thank you for that insightful post anon. Merry Christmas

[Anonymous No.25134016]

Because they have been slow cooking their suicide for half a century.

[Anonymous No.25134121]

>>25133496
this is wrong. Google Bond Yields explained

[Anonymous No.25134912]

>>25133904
So this is one reason why inflation can't go up? If it did, it would devalue the bonds being held by pensions and such?

[Anonymous No.25135140]

>>25134912
No inflation does not go up because everyone is broke.
CPI inflation of food is kept down real estate inflation is above 10% per year.

Basically everyone is waging for less and less money so nobody is spending on shit since wages are worse and worse every year relative to inflation this allows central banks to evaporate their debts while seizing wagies savings via inflation by larping it's -1% when in reality it's 10% when adding assets.

Of course they don't get food inflation , people are poorer than ever while they get their wages updated every year for inflation.

[Anonymous No.25135222]

>>25135140
>No inflation does not go up because everyone is broke
Agreed. But it also can't go up because it would fuck bond holders and those with lots of dept (everyone who matters probably).
It seems like the true function of central banks is currently to maximize inflation at a level just below causing the masses to pick up pitchforks

[Anonymous No.25135792]

>>25135222
That’s exactly what it does.
Hate the jews all you want but you gotta give them credit.
They did all this shit hundreds of years ago. They really have a true deep talent for FUCKING honest people over

[Anonymous No.25135914]

>>25135222
>It seems like the true function of central banks is currently to maximize inflation at a level just below causing the masses to pick up pitchforks

Correct it's economic vampirism just to the point you can't realize what's going on.

>Agreed. But it also can't go up because it would fuck bond holders and those with lots of dept (everyone who matters probably).

Lol it's worse biggest bond holders are pension funds that are forced to buy bonds , wagie literally is forced to pay a pension and the pension is forced to buy bonds that give returns below inflation.

[Anonymous No.25136047]

>>25135914
>everything is roughly or within reason the same relative price
>except houses and land, which are wildly more expensive
>you know, the things that give you actual power and control
REALLY makes you think.

[Anonymous No.25136149]

>>25136047

[Anonymous No.25136178]

>>25133496
can confirm, from uk

[Anonymous No.25136701]

>>25136178
I wish it was like Africa. At least you are relatively free there. This is like the Disney childsafe version of Africa with extra ping pong tables.

[Anonymous No.25136750]

>>25136047
Because fiat is inflating hard with globalism they hiden that fact by importing from places with cheaper wages.

Can't import real estate or land so that's showing the real inflation.
Plus they have low inflation like bitcoin so real estate is a great way to park money for the ones that are winning in this pumped markets that are pumped by wealth confiscation via inflation.

This keynsian game is easy, tax small business and inflate currency , the big players keep getting bigger and accumulate assets while everyone else is poorer and can't accumulate capital to compete with you.

[Anonymous No.25136824]

>>25133508
that chart means bonds are more expensive

[Anonymous No.25137022]

>>25136047
It's not just the monetary stuff. Once upon a time the middle classes could invest and operate all kinds of SMEs.

Then the manufacturing went to China and any shop that couldn't compete with Tesco and Amazon on price was fucked.

If you had spare cash and wanted hard assets, property was the only thing left.

[Anonymous No.25137109]

>>25133435
immigrants

[Anonymous No.25137480]

>>25133496
Why would this reflect the relative strength of currency?

Maybe a better question to ask: how exactly does a government make money to pay back the bond with a really good yield, beyond tax revenue? And wouldn't good tax revenue would largely reflect the health of broader economic activity?

[Anonymous No.25138646]

>>25137480
They didn't have to pay 1/3 of the budget for pensions and there was actual growth before 2000.

[Anonymous No.25139757]

>>25133435
Yeah no problem

In 1980 inflation was rampant and plagued all the developed economies, 16+% interest rates were normal.
The interest rates have been decreasing overtime due to modern monetary policy or brrr, there was a shift in 1995 That's when it kicked into gear for everyone as central banks cracked the whip, and in the 2000s it accelerated when wall street and bankers convinced governments that we should be liable for the degenerate gambling, somehow they pulled off and tax payers bailed them out lol.

[Anonymous No.25140630]

>>25133904
>Short welfare states while you still can.
how can I do that?

[Anonymous No.25140726]

>>25133435
i don't even know what bonds are
all i know is that they are a shitty investment

[Anonymous No.25140772]

>>25140630
By getting out of fiat and buying hard assets, such as precious metals, crypto, real estate, guns, ammo, bottles of whiskey, long lasting food, etc.
Basically anything that has inherent value and can keep you alive.
We're going to reach a point in our lifetimes where money will lose all its value and everyone who is reliant on fiat money will be bankrupt in a very short time span. Stocks will drop 95%.

[Anonymous No.25140827]

>>25140726
based retard

[Anonymous No.25140928]

>>25140630
What this anon said

>>25140772
Except the stocks part which is wrong , stocks will continue to surf the inflation for a long time.
Venezuelan stocks have always gone up relative to shit fiat.

The problem is that at some point too many people will be surfing the inflation this way using stocks as cash and they will put insane capital controls.

All this keynsian stupidity is about wealth confiscation as a way to rule.

[Anonymous No.25141059]

>>25140928
>One day

[Anonymous No.25141223]

>>25140928
Yes, inflation will push prices but eventually there will be a breaking point. The dollar cannot maintain its global currency status forever. All we're doing is inflating the bubble more and more. The moment something goes wrong, there will be an apocalyptic financial meltdown.
In the financial crashes pre-2000, there was actual production and lower debt. The next crash will be hastened by the hft algorithms.

[Anonymous No.25141425]

>>25141223
Do you think we will have a crash next year or does it require a new crisis to happen? I mean are the loans and money printed this year enough to cause a crash alone or is there something needed as the ultimate trigger?

[Anonymous No.25141558]

>>25135914
>economic vampirism
Makes me wonder if the Great Reset and all that isn't an attempt to turn free-range wage slaves into factory farm wave slaves.

[Anonymous No.25141594]

>>25140772
> bottles of whiskey
Does whiskey last indefinitely? Do you buy the expensive stuff or would pretty much anything do?

[Anonymous No.25141635]

>>25141223
I think they see the breaking point coming and are trying to change the system using central bank digital currencies. No idea if that'll be effective. Sounds like something intelligent people would outright reject and avoid.

[Anonymous No.25141685]

>>25141635
>there exist enough intelligent people in the world to make a difference

[Anonymous No.25141792]

There's nothing left of value to burden with debt.

[Anonymous No.25141798]

>>25141685
Well that's a true statement. Problem is, it's only highly ambitious and sociopathic intelligent people that seem to get together to change the world in order to increase their power and wealth.
The pursuit of power and wealth appear to be the greatest unifying factor for intelligent people.

[Anonymous No.25141866]

>>25141425
I don't have a crystal ball but I'd say next crisis probably. Probably in the next 5-10 years. Currently America is in a cold war with china and that might turn into a proper war as relationships further worsen, causing the financial meltdown as the chinks dump their us treasuries. The merchants controlling America are going to switch over to the ccp.

>>25141594
Pretty much, but you're missing the point. You need shit you can use to barter with. Basically think about what people would want after everything goes to hell. Food, water, liquor and cigarettes.

[Anonymous No.25141911]

>>25141866
I guess high end and decent lowish end liquor would be like gold and silver, each useful for bartering for different kinds of things.

[Anonymous No.25141937]

>>25133496
UK is fucked.

[Anonymous No.25142572]

>>25141558
Yes it's diocletian reforms all over again.