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What will happen to the price of PNK when Kleros case 532 concludes? Every basedboy is coming out of the woodwork to try to sway the jury to "yes" but it's obviously "invalid". This is a landmark case due to the sheer amount of money involved and because it's about the election. if Kleros votes "yes", they'll essentially have a permanent black mark on their platform, proving that they can't rule correctly on the simplest things. On the other hand, the basedboy who created reality.io is threatening to drop them if they vote "invalid". This coin basically gets ignored on /biz/ now but this case is actually a big deal for the Ethereum ecosystem. What will happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cku7jRpCFyc
https://twitter.com/edmundedgar/status/1343309540486303744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZjWJYZDza4

>> No.25233030

>>25232994
>the basedboy who created reality.io is threatening to drop them if they vote "invalid".
He even made a video kek: https://twitter.com/edmundedgar/status/1342295476901617668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSATM0Lcxs0

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>>25233030
forgot pic

>> No.25233193

>>25232994
Case 532 is clearly a publicity stunt to raise awareness of all parties involved. Politics is the relgion of the modern age, a dishwash cloth sells out of necessity in the middle ages, but one with jesus' face sells out due to mania.
Politicise your product and awareness is assured.
Im more interested in case 8743 smart contract arbitration dispute clause 2.38. Parties maker vs yfi

>> No.25233227

>>25233193
>Case 532 is clearly a publicity stunt to raise awareness of all parties involved
I agree, but the ruling still basically proves that Kleros either can or cannot do its job

>> No.25233236

can someone explain case 532 to me like I'm a retard

>> No.25233287

>>25233236
>can someone explain case 532 to me like I'm a retard
Basically someone made a prediction market with the question "will biden win the election?" However he used the wrong resolution date so tldr there's a kleros court case trying to prove/disprove the fact that it was invalid. There's a bunch of legalese so it requires some reading. copying from the omen market:
>ening statements (video): https://adao.to/opening-statements Evidence document 1) https://adao.to/constitutional-argument Evidence document 2) https://adao.to/telegraph-brief You should also review the Omen Market Resolution Rules here: https://adao.to/omen-rules..

>> No.25233301

>>25233030
how could i tell this faggot loves Biden

>> No.25233332

>>25233301
>how could i tell this faggot loves Biden
the funny part is he can't even stammer out his argument because he knows it's bullshit kek

>> No.25233426

>>25233332
bro 12 mins of rambling fuck me get to the point cunt

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>>25233030
>>25233030
The response video has more views and it was uploaded one day ago

>> No.25233525

>>25233426
Here's the short version https://youtu.be/-ZjWJYZDza4

>> No.25233582

>>25232994
Going to zero. Turns out you can view votes before the decision is made LMAO

>> No.25233666

>>25233287
thank you for the reading
i'll go through all of these
t. juror

>> No.25233711

>>25233582
Yeah this is fucking retarded

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25233739

It's 5 to 1 in favor of yes, I'm pretty sure Kleros is going to 0 this time next month unironically. I dumped every PNK I had on Uniswap after seeing this that faggot Martin Koppleman and the other guy shilling yes.
adao.to/case-status

>> No.25233759

can someone give me the qrd

>> No.25233764

>>25233666
https://twitter.com/xmobiledev/status/1343342089413787650

>> No.25233767

>>25233030
desperate to make a case for why Kleros is the shit

>> No.25233791

>>25233759
see
>>25233764
>>25233287
>>25233030
>>25232994
read all the links.

>>25233767
he's just throwing a basedboy fit because it went to kleros instead of ending on his terrible site kek

>> No.25233846

>>25233666
Kleros BD guy did a pretty good summary which includes links to evidence from both "Yes" and "Invalid": https://twitter.com/JimmyRagosa/status/1341293611682553856

Also not directed at you specifically, but voting "Invalid" is kinda playing with fire right now. There are two addresses (0x93... and 0x9f...) which can immediately decide it in favor of "Yes". Unless the overwhelming majority of other jurors come out and all go to "Invalid" (in which case it becomes a total toss-up) then those whales are basically just lying in wait to steal your PNK.

>> No.25233861

>>25233846
>which includes links to evidence from both "Yes" and "Invalid
>yeah bro let the opposing party post your evidence there's definitely not a conflict of interest there

>> No.25233909

>>25233846
all of this guy's tweets are favorable to yes and blatantly promote it
fuck off jimmy you retarded faggot

>> No.25233915

>>25233861
I don't understand what you're trying to imply. Jimmy is literally just a guy on the Kleros team who is trying to give an objective overview of where the case stands. If there are evidence links missing, then yeah you can provide them here, but as far as I've seen he's got the main arguments covered.

>> No.25233923

>>25233915
>who is trying to give an objective overview
kek, fuck off kike

>> No.25233948

>>25233846
Note that this person is a Yes shill. Enjoy destroying Kleros.

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>>25233923
Yikes! Bearish for Kleros. Would not want to be holding Kleros right now. This project was always supposed to be for small disputes like package delivery and online shopping, not million dollar bets.

>> No.25233984

>>25233846
Jimmy Ragosa deserves the rope.

>> No.25234008

lmao, these shitty tokens fudders can’t make normal shilling
forget about them and don’t follow this trash
grab mettalex - powered by Binance exchange IEOS
>no big VCs or whales, high potential of pump

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>>25233923
>openly invited to present more arguments if you feel they haven't been given adequate attention
>resort to name-calling
Based.

>>25233948
>Enjoy destroying Kleros.
Thanks, I look forward to losing a lot more money than you as a result!

>> No.25234041

>>25233193
>Im more interested in case 8743 smart contract arbitration dispute clause 2.38. Parties maker vs yfi
Can you link the case?

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Degen defi-gamblers and broke ass /pol/tards are going to drive Kleros to 0. Kek I couldn't write better FUD myself. Long PNK.

>> No.25234170

>>25232994
I have been accumulating PNK lately because I believe whatever happens to case 532 will end up being a good thing for PNK. No matter which way the case is decided, it will be a lesson to future users that cases must be framed precisely.

The guy who decided to put "WILL Joe Biden win..." rather than "Did Joe Biden win...", and who decided to end the vote before 2021 is responsible for short-term confusion, but that's his problem, not Kleros'.

>> No.25234242

>>25234021
you're a faggot and if I ever see you in person I'm going to sock you in the face

>> No.25234258

>>25234170
>I have been accumulating PNK lately because I believe whatever happens to case 532 will end up being a good thing for PNK. No matter which way the case is decided, it will be a lesson to future users that cases must be framed precisely.
It was framed precisely and Kleros must now choose between ruling correctly or not.

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>>25234021
https://twitter.com/xmobiledev/status/1343342089413787650

>>25234170
>I believe whatever happens to case 532 will end up being a good thing for PNK
Delusion.

>> No.25234314

>>25234258
>It was framed precisely
explain how

>> No.25234344

>MIGA trumpcucks high on copium and cult of personality are going to be autistic enough to slander my moonshot with their schizoness

>> No.25234352

>>25234314
>explain how
>The outcome of the market must be known by its Resolution Date. If the outcome is
not known by the resolution date, whether it is due to a wrong setting of the
resolution date or an unexpected event delaying the knowledge of the result, the
market will resolve as invalid.
>Market resolution date: December 20
Was the answer known definitively on December 20? No.
>Opening statements (video): https://adao.to/opening-statements Evidence document 1) https://adao.to/constitutional-argument Evidence document 2) https://adao.to/telegraph-brief You should also review the Omen Market Resolution Rules here: https://adao.to/omen-rules..
It's that simple.
>>25234291

>> No.25234367

>>25234041
Its a hypothetical future case that, in context of the shitpost, ironically reflects the antagonistic post narrative to imply that Kleros will be a behemoth in the crypto sphere arbitrating disputes between large cap fin tech protocols.

>> No.25234403

>>25234344
>CEO of Gnosis shilling Yes
>Creator of reality.io shilling Yes
>Some loser Kleros hired in November shilling Yes
>Answer is clearly No or Invalid
>Muh schizo
I'm already writing a post mortem article on this and I have connections to a few journalists. Like it or not your "moonshot" is going up in flames because the team has chosen to destroy it intentionally.

>> No.25234435

>>25234352
Okay but Biden won way before then and it was all over the news so what's the problem? Yes is clearly the correct answer here.

Or are there actually autists larping as constitutional lawyers itt?

>> No.25234483

>>25234435
>Okay but Biden won way before then
Can you read? Are you capable of it? If not, watch the video: https://adao.to/opening-statements
If you can read, try reading the evidence:
https://adao.to/constitutional-argument
https://adao.to/telegraph-brief

The result was not known on the 20th.

>> No.25234539

>>25234483
>>25234483
>The result was not known on the 20th.
I just watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cku7jRpCFyc

and I'm pretty convinced now... huh, interesting. thanks for sharing... but what happens next...?

>> No.25234553

>>25234539
>and I'm pretty convinced now... huh, interesting. thanks for sharing... but what happens next...?
I'm worried bros

>> No.25234593

>>25233030
>He even made a video kek: https://twitter.com/edmundedgar/status/1342295476901617668
The DAO he refers to is https://twitter.com/aegis_eth.. The reason this case reached Kleros is that they crowdfunded arbitration which is what (((triggered))) Edmund and the other Jew Crew. https://twitter.com/aegis_eth/status/1341163774368243713

>> No.25234604

>>25233846
if they vote yes just so they can steal some pnk then kleros is undermined and their pnk is worthless, theyd have to be some retarded fucking whales

>> No.25234620

the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that people will buy PNK just to serve on high profile cases. it will be a kafkaesque world with a lot of money to be made.

>> No.25234675
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>>25234403
How much did you bet on Trump after he lost you fucking piece of shit?

>> No.25234743

if I have double the 42 eth can I send it over and say kanye won? This is my boi's last chance yo

>> No.25234881

>>25232994
It will skyrocket, unironically

>> No.25234883

>>25234743
Kanye wasn't certified

>> No.25234900

>>25234620
>the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that people will buy PNK just to serve on high profile cases. it will be a kafkaesque world with a lot of money to be made.
Agreed, but there won't be any more cases this high profile for years. This is The One. Also using the term kafkaesque makes you sound like a fag.

>> No.25235015

>>25234483
>>25234539
>>25234553
>>25234593
>>25234675
>>25234900
>>25234881
>Kleros rules incoherently
>Price skyrockets
/biz/ math

>> No.25235047

>>25234900
an already decided election is, larping aside, a very low profile, idiot-proof test run at something that could actually provide the world with a new, better legal system

>> No.25235066

>>25235047
>an already decided election
see
>>25234483
and
>>25233764
If this is a "test run" the rocket is about to explode on the launchpad

>> No.25235085

>>25235047
>an already decided election
t. shill

>> No.25235105

>>25234900
>>25235015
You faggots are underestimating biz. It's blatantly obvious that you are both here to shill your side of the dispute because you're too invested in your Trumplet narrative. Kleros is about justice, not picking sides. Whatever the market resolves to, justice will be done.

>> No.25235114

>>25235105
>Trumplet
and in one fell swoop you've outed yourself as a soiboi

>> No.25235133

This is one of the most retarded shit I ever read. I knew kleros is a sad joke, but this is just ridiculous. Btw Vitalik meant the comment sarcastically, you autists

>> No.25235155

>>25235085
>the election isn’t decided
>here’s a MEGA file of infographics and based analysis from Dr. Shiva about why he lost

If I listen to one more faggot retard with no background in math try to explain to Benfords law. Autists are legit insufferable people - utter untermensch who constantly try to explain things they don’t understand, peak psued gaylords

>> No.25235162

>>25235105
>>25235114
can you brainlets read? the case isn't about who won the election. it's about if an omen market is valid. holy fuck the average IQ in this thread is about 80. you are all literal niggers. just buy chainlink.

>> No.25235173

>>25235114
That's actually really convincing. I totally see your side of it now. Thanks anon!

>> No.25235196

>>25235155
>ignore all evidence posted here >>25234483
>ignore >>25235162 who is technically correct
>insult the intelligence of other people
>antisemitic remarks
you're just trolling and/or insufferably stupid
either way you're a retard

>> No.25235202

>>25234604
No, that's kinda by design. It's more an incentive for people not to vote incoherently. Though the fact that the case can't be appealed (which would allow it to reach the most true/just outcome eventually) does create a flaw in the system.

>> No.25235333

https://twitter.com/xmobiledev/status/1343451602112438272

>> No.25235554

> through all humanity history jurors always voted as they feel the popular demand of masses
> the only exceptions were only executions which only became forbidden in some countries in XX century
> 2021
> kleros jurors vote in popular demand on popular case
> poltards seething

>> No.25235577

>>25234008
excellent work vihaan they all buy coin now

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>>25235554
>poltards seething
this has nothing to do with your candidate of choice

>> No.25236040

Dumb shill niggers continue to frame this as a political issue when it's a case concerning the validity of a prediction market, I don't know how else to explain it. You fuckers are so dumb

>> No.25236109

If it's the wrong date/formatted. Invalid. Simple. Re-vote. Otherwise just slap Biden's name on it. PNK is a joke.

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>>25233030

>> No.25236255

>>25236109
>If it's the wrong date/formatted. Invalid. Simple. Re-vote. Otherwise just slap Biden's name on it. PNK is a joke.
There are five other markets open about the election and low IQ niggers here think this case is about Drumpf vs Sleepy Joe

>> No.25236324

yes sirs, very organic sirs. keep up the good work sirs

>> No.25236447

>>25235333
https://twitter.com/xmobiledev/status/1343342089413787650
Better

>> No.25236504

>>25235683
>>25236255
Okay, can you explain your position? Why kleros vote incoherently?

>> No.25236517

>>25236504
>Okay, can you explain your position? Why kleros vote incoherently?
I don't have a position in this particular market, I'm just spreading the word about the case and attempting to educate people on its details. The case concerns the validity of an Omen market, not who won the election.

>> No.25236589

>>25236517
Explain more. What the fuck is Omen market and why it should matter?

>> No.25236620

>>25236589
>Explain more. What the fuck is Omen market and why it should matter?
Omen is a prediction market platform. People buy shares in an outcome they believe will happen. The question was "Will Biden win?" with a resolution date of December 20. There are constitutional arguments and more above which outline the fact that the result was unknown at the resolution date which makes the market invalid according to Omen's first rule. This is detailed more here >>25234483

>> No.25236639

>>25232994
This case would’ve been ironically funny if it was numbered case 538

>> No.25236648

>>25232994

SIRS!

>> No.25237321

>>25235202
>that's kinda by design
they literally voted to change that in the next update lol
>failure by design

>> No.25238211

>>25237321
>t. newfag stacklet

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>>25236324
Sirs! DO NOT listen to the fuck and talk of zero price droppings. My village have zero waters for the children and much diseeze for the children also. Pleeze buy 1 pnk to save many lifes. Do the needful.

>> No.25238404

>>25233846
And the situation with these wallets doesn't seem absolutely fucked to you? Why would anyone use this platform in future when one or two individuals have the power to decide whether you win or lose?

>> No.25238705

>>25233846
They hired this dumb nigger in November and he's already wrecking my PNK holdings

>> No.25239562

>>25234403
>waaaaaaaaaaa I'm gonna fud kleros because trump is a faggot and he lost
the absolute state of biz

>> No.25240169

>>25233739
Same. It's a shame because I've been accumulating for a while, but a yes ruling means that the platform is completely useless imo.
I presumed that the majority of people on a tech platform would be able to vote dispassionately and independently of their feeelings.. but apparently I was wrong.

>> No.25240845

>>25240169
>>25233739
Kleros isn't going anywhere. It's still in its infancy, and even if this would turn out to be an unfair result, the devs will adjust the policy for arbitration etc. so that it doesn't happen again. Evolution doesn't happen without hiccups.

>> No.25241329
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I have two problems with this case 532:

1. How are people seeing jurors' votes ahead of time? That completely breaks the game theory that underlies the Kleros system. The entire case should be thrown out and the code redone to ensure this doesn't happen again.
2. Somebody mentioned there will be no appeals. This also breaks the game theory that allows the system to eventually converge on the truth.

Together, these two factors mean that this isn't a Kleros court, it's a Kleros court with penalization for voting outside the majority, and even rational actors looking at this will see all the irrational actors with TDS voting based on a surface level misunderstanding of what the case is and will be incentivized to vote with the crowd.

I actually don't think a Yes vote means that Kleros is worthless. I think that cases like these with no counterparty and jurors seeing votes shouldn't be on Kleros court.

>>25240845
My understanding is that the devs can't arbitrarily change policy anymore, that the Kleros governor system runs things now.

>> No.25241672

>>25234435
shut the fuck up tranny if the news told you bridges were safe to jump off of you'd take that as fact too>>25235105
>Whatever the market resolves to, justice will be done.
Exactly. It's sad that retards with money at stake are getting a word in on this case instead of leaving it to impartial parties
>>25237321
How are they realistically going to deal with whales who have the power to swing decisions either way? Not up to date on developments

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>>25238393
I don't understand what's with all these pajeet memes revolving around Kleros. What's the point?

>> No.25241851

>>25232994
>muh Kleros court
most retarded usecase in all of crypto
literally a """solution""" looking for a problem

>> No.25242058

>>25240845
Hopefully you're right, but I was very exposed and the risk was therefore too high for me to hold throu this.
I will buy back in if it gets adjusted as you say, but I must add that I sincerely doubt it.. it looks like most of the jurors would like the platform to exist as a validator of their collective idea of truth, and we already have many of those.

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>>25233030
Basedboy utterly btfo'd cucked and roped

>> No.25242709

>>25242521
Based Kleros News

>> No.25242773

>>25232994
how much pnk does one need to be a whale and effectively steal other jurors' money?

I would consider doing this just to prove the brokenness of the protocol.

fundamentally, trusting a random sampling of humans to act impartially, or understand the intricacies of the products seeking resolution through this protocol, is retarded.

game theory is not a valid argument when determining the truth, as game theory assumes rational actors, which humans most certainly are not. if kleros is attempting to resolve cases using game theory as a primary mechanic, it will almost assuredly fail.

>> No.25242859

>>25242773
>fundamentally, trusting a random sampling of humans to act impartially, or understand the intricacies of the products seeking resolution through this protocol, is retarded.
yea we need to do away with juries too

>> No.25242978

>>25234352
this.

it is unreasonable to know 100% the outcome of the election before the electors actually cast their vote in congress on 1/6.

the bet parameters were improperly established when the market makers at omen established the prediction market without properly understanding the election process and planning accordingly.

as of 12/28 the election has not been finalized yet, and the market closed on 12/20. the only appropriate answer is invalid, because any other answer would be a misapplication of the election rules.

in the american election process, the electors determine the next president. the electors do not vote until 1/6 in this election cycle, therefore it is impossible to consider any bet or prediction of the result of those electors "final" before the electors have tallied their votes.

>> No.25243065

>>25242978
This thread makes me want to become a Kleros Juror. I want to play Phoenix Wright IRL

>> No.25243118

>>25242773
The whole point of Kleros is that staked token amounts determine the probability of being selected, not your vote weight. The system is designed to punish jurors like you would be. Read the damn white paper, not even shilling here.

>> No.25243120

>>25242978
And yet people who chose to buy into this market knew what the resolution date was and bought in anyway. The people who entered this market were not buying in with the intention that it would be the Congress certification that counts as the “win”. They bought in because they knew by 12/20 it would be fucking obvious who the winner is and unless you’re a retard, it’s obvious Joe Biden is the winner. Kleros jurors will vote based on what’s obvious to the majority, which is that Biden won. Only a loud minority thinks this case should be invalid.

>> No.25243261

>>25243120
> The people who entered this market were not buying in with the intention that it would be the Congress certification that counts as the “win”. They bought in because they knew by 12/20 it would be fucking obvious who the winner is and unless you’re a retard, it’s obvious Joe Biden is the winner.
And yet, in the realm of contracts we are bound by the actual language in the contract. Maybe retards shouldn't be gambling on the internet if they don't understand what they're doing. And maybe you should realize that the question you're answering is not Omen's question, it's "who will be the next president?" which really should have a resolution date of the day after inauguration day anyway.

What I don't understand is why you faggots are so insecure you can't just wait for the US election system to resolve itself according to its own rules. You rushed on election night, you rushed the day after, you rushed to declare a winner in the media, you banned everyone from pointing out the obvious, and now you're rushing even in experimental decentralized indian dispute resolution mechanisms. I even think Biden will be inaugurated, but why are you so fucking insecure? Just take a break, go have sex or whatever it is you do, and relax.

>> No.25243587

>>25243261
>bound by the actual language
This is not true. There is something like the spirit of the law as well as the wording. If you'd try a case around a technicality in the grammar or even an obvious spelling error which could lead to a different interpretation, in most cases you'll be laughed out of court if the spirit of the agreement is self-evident.

>> No.25243750

>>25243065
It's actually a lot of fun. Borderline intoxicating even.
t. 315k big dick juror

>> No.25243890

>>25243587
In this case, given that the contract literally lays out how the question should be resolved when there's no answer at the resolution date, the spirit and word of the contract are in alignment. This isn't a simple typo, this is the contract writer not understanding how the US election system for President works.

>> No.25244175

>>25243261
In what world have we ever considered January 6th to be the deciding day? In all of our time, betting markets have ALWAYS resolved before this date. This is the first time ANYONE has ever coped up until January 6. In 2016, 2012, 2008, 2004, etc NO ONE was saying "well ackshually you have to wait until january 6" because we dont live in a society of retards.

>> No.25244179

>>25243587
one of the big conflict in america is letter of the laxwkikes vs spirit of the law constitutionalists, I'm ready to guess more than half of the SCotUS cases are about wording even when the spirit is obvious.

>> No.25244249

>>25243120
Fucking based

>> No.25244570

>>25243120
based
>>25243587
this is precisely the point, it's obvious what everyone participating in the market was betting on, invalid proponents fall into the category of those trying to game the system for profit, or /pol/babbies who can't accept their man lost

>> No.25244598

>>25243120
Trump won. Dilate and kys.

>> No.25244652

can someone redpill me on Kleros real quick?

>> No.25244797
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>>25244652
Just read the thread. It's yet another good thing ruined by faggots and trannies, the exact same way they did with the rest of the Internet.

>> No.25244859

>>25244652
coin of the future sir

>> No.25245223

>>25244859
nice just bought 100k

>> No.25245239

bump

>> No.25245534

>>25233582
>>25233711
Really? Where can you see it?

>> No.25245562

>>25244175
>well we did it wrong in the past and it wasn't a problem so let's just perpetuate a misunderstanding of the American electoral system by assuming that new Presidents are picked literally overnight

>> No.25245589

>>25233846
Are you threatening the juror?

>> No.25245608

>>25244570
>attributing malice or partisanship to those arguing for accurate interpretation of the legal process
ok retard

>> No.25246571

>>25245608
The market was certified valid. It's entirely clear what the intention of the betting market question is, as well as what the wagers of everyone participating within it was on the basis of as well. It is completely clear - not even on a 'balance of probabilities' conclusion. While the question could be clearer, it is not fatally flawed and the question asked can still be answered on the basis of what the parties were wagering on. Ultimately, dear anon, arbitration is about making a decision, taking the aggregate of the evidence available. This is about what 'a reasonable person' would interpret the question as, not formalist/constitutionalist argumentation, you clown.

This desperate grasping of semantic technicalities is nothing more than a loud minority shrieking into the
dark, scared to lose their shirts on a betting market. I'm afraid it is you, who is the complete and utter retard.
>t. ciarb certified arbitrator

>> No.25247005

>muh constitution
>muh law
Clearly shows just how many amerifats creaturas are on biz and that try to carry over that US legal shit.
Let me get something straight — you’re not playing lawyers. There is nothing even remotely legal about Kleros. You are not needed to explain or reflect upon the law and the text technically and legally down to a specific case. Nobody cares about that and it is explicitly NOT the point. The point is to answer a very simple question — as of November 20th, what is the answer to a pretty simple question that you would get when asked the majority of people in the world? Not the US courts, not the Senate, but an average entity/person in the world, because don’t forget Kleros is global. And the answer to that is so simple — Biden won by the 20th, yes. Every publication, every country, every other app have long since agreed all that Biden won. “But isn’t Kleros different!!” No, dipshit. The whole point of Kleros is to adopt the truth as agreed by *the majority* opinion, and, guess what, when ALL other entities say it is one way, Kleros will adopt that decision too. That’s the whole point. If there were serious contests or any real way for trump to get elected, fine. But that’s not the case. There is only one set of certified electors. There is no investigation going on.
Holy shit you american retards are so annoying, you just can’t let things go and will cry about it like babies with your technicalities. Nobody cares.
The schelling point is clear — Biden Yes.
Thank god for trump tards, I’ll get a Christmas bonus with pinkies this year

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>>25246571
>This is about what 'a reasonable person' would interpret the question as
yes and the question is extremely simple, a reasonable person would interpret it literally. The problem here is the resolution date, not the question. The market is clearly invalid

>> No.25247159

>>25246571
Thank you, finally a sensible person.
>>25247054
Fucking retard, learn to read. A sensible person would respect the agreement made between the parties, and that is that the market was valid and what they were betting on is the commonly known resolution of that race by the 20th. Only the magatards are too pussy to ever live up to their own word and weaseled our of an agreement
Scum

>> No.25247311

>>25247005
Dangerously based

>> No.25247352

>>25247159
Calm down rebecca. The market should never have been deemed valid in the first place. Anyone could've seen that market and bet "No" based on the fact that it's impossible to be resolved by the resolution date. Being a Blumpftard or not has literally nothing to do with it.

>> No.25247354

>>25247159
Next time, figure out how elections actually work before you start making betting markets for them.

>> No.25247453

>>25247005
based
>>25247054
Engage with the argument instead of posting sois and selectively quoting, lurkers aren't dumb and neither are the jurors. You won't be making those pooled funds back, discord tranny.
>>25247159
They make a lot of noise and are well-organised, they coordinate across /biz/ (look at how the new thread OPs are framed), discord, telegram, and twitter and collectively jump on anyone not shilling their money-maker.

>> No.25247501

>it solves the subjectivity problem
>french faggot blatantly pandering to ad populum

no one is going to use this shit for anything other than minor disputes, really doubting the longevity of that too at this point

>> No.25247505

>>25247352
But it is valid. Everyone knows the outcome, it is Biden. Nobody says “wait until the presidency is decided” because president-elect is a thing. It is a thing based on certified state electors, of which there is only one set. The dueling electors are literally an equivalent of the chainlink Shadow Fork — they don’t fucking matter or exist. It is “yes”. Cope. Faggot
>>25247354
Next time take the cocks out of your eyes and read again. The election is over. Your constitutional shit has nothing to do with this case as it is about the presidency. It is done. Over. Get fucked

>> No.25247570

>>25242773
>how much pnk does one need to be a whale and effectively steal other jurors' money?
Try it. If a whale tries to steal a case by voting against the truth, the other jurors will appeal the case until the truth is reached and the whale will lose everything

>> No.25247649

>>25236242
KEK

>> No.25247728

>>25247505
Dude you sound like a virgin. Post physique

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>>25247505
>But it is valid. Everyone knows the outcome, it is Biden. Nobody says “wait until the presidency is decided” because president-elect is a thing. It is a thing based on certified state electors, of which there is only one set. The dueling electors are literally an equivalent of the chainlink Shadow Fork — they don’t fucking matter or exist. It is “yes”. Cope. Faggot
You're probably right about the outcome rebecca, but none of that is relevant. Keep seething, you will never be a real woman

>> No.25247760

>>25247505
The election is not over until the VP counts the votes before Congress and Congress certifies the results. Stop being ignorant and learn how the system works.

>> No.25247978

>>25247728
U mad
>>25247757
U mad
>>25247760
U factually incorrect. The election is over when the votes are in and people know the votes, which was the 14th. The presidency is decided on Jan 6th.
Again — nobody gives a shit about specific technical language in the constitution. You’re not lawyers. You are not qualified to be lawyers or make these statements. The Kleros court isn’t being asked NOR WILL IT EVER BE to sign off on what they think is technically legal. Stop being fucking retarded. The question asked is answerable by a 15 year old teenager and the least ambiguous answer is the true answer, that is the WHOLE POINT of the Kleros system. The schelling point is the simplest truth and the simplest truth is “yes” for Biden. Literally a SINGLE true ongoing investigation of the election or any recount or anything at all would have been enough to put it under invalid, but it is over, with no congestion legally or otherwise, and has been for some time.
Cope

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25247986

That Edmund guy is a faggot who bet all of his ESL teacher money on Biden and is pissed that he may have to do some extra shifts teaching English at his local Kids Duo

>> No.25248021

>>25232994
>they can't rule correctly on the simplest things
Did anyone have doubts about this?

>> No.25248032

>>25247760
This is correct. See:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

Only delusional eurotards who consoom mass media think the US election is over when the citizen’s votes are tallied. The real votes haven’t even begun to be cast.

>> No.25248031

>>25247978
>The election is over when the votes are in and people know the votes
Nope, that's not what the constitution says. Go have sex, dilate, and talk to someone about your insecurity issues.

>> No.25248073

>>25247978
Post physique.

>> No.25248188

>>25248031
>muh constitution
You’re not being asked to legally certify anything because that’s not the point, so you’re rinky dinky old failed constitution doesn’t matter
Clearly your projection about trannies is a flag of your own personality. Good to know you have literal biological sex identification issues of your own LOL. Did your father rape you when you were a child or something?
>>25248073
>this mad he responds the same thing twice with no new retort or even insult
Still mad

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25248433

>>25248188
>seething
>accuses others of projection
>calls others mad

>> No.25248454

>>25248433
U mad

>> No.25248529

>>25248188
I've met rape victims with less trauma than you. Seriously, get help. It's not healthy.

>> No.25248633

>>25248188
Post physique, virgin.

>> No.25248888

>>25248529
U mad
>>25248633
U mad
No arguments left and only insults for 3 replies onwards. Feels good to win

>> No.25249093

poltards ruin everything

>> No.25249140

>>25234435
>and it was all over the news so what's the problem?
lmao

>> No.25249208

>>25248888
You're doing great buddy.

Let the Trumplets project their insecurities it's over for them.

Also check'd

>> No.25249350

>>25249208
post physique

>> No.25249459
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25249459

look cunts, you're not deciding the election.
some cunt made a bet on the market with an end-date before the election is legally decided. traditionally, the loser concedes but this has not happened, because this was not a traditional election. degens hoovered up trump wins for free then called in the kleros court so they get their 50-50 split. 'yes' cunts are too emotionally invested in sticking it to cheeto hitler but that's not what this is about. even a cursory understanding of omen and their market rules makes this one clear cut for invalid.
sucks for omen, but that's the rules.
do not collect ETH, go straight to kleros jail.

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25249605

>>25249459
Based

>> No.25249778

lmao at americans, they'll literally fight over anything.

somehow the discussion is not really in-depth though and filled with trivial insults to anonymous posters.

>> No.25249801

>>25235155
Why are you so upset?

>> No.25249838

>>25249778
/pol/ is 70% bots at this point, it's likely that they have bots targeting other boards too. I'd bust out the encryption but it's frankly not worth it for a Kleros thread that will inevitably devolve into UNISWAP SIRS.

>> No.25249909

>>25249838
take your meds

>> No.25250033

Just go to Klerosscan dot com and enter 532, then you'll see how, just like the actual election, people voted more than once for Biden.
What's the point of a voting system where some people get to vote multiple times?
Kleros, made by a kike to elect kikes.

>> No.25250049

>make a bet that the sun will rise tomorrow with an end-date before sunrise
>close the bet before the sun actually rises
do you see the problem?
this is not about the election. kleros is not a public opinion poll.

>> No.25250259

>>25249801
TDS. All the yes shills in this thread and involved or following along with this case literally hate Donald Trump more than they care about the truth. This phenomenon has been occurring now for four years in the minds of these haters. I don't necessarily care for Trump either but I have not and will not allow my hatred towards a person I've never met irl and who all the impressions I have of that said person are from blatantly fake news propagandists who also have TDS. The case is invalid.

>> No.25250315

>>25250033
voting power is proportional to the amount staked

Also a lot of people seem distressed about that votes are "public" this is some of the harder things that kleros corp is currently trying to solve

info:

>Commit/Reveal Courts
>Currently, all of Kleros Courts have public voting. Once a juror has voted, anybody can look at the smart contract to see how they ruled. This is undesirable for many use cases. In the case of public voting, jurors could, in more complex cases, look at how other jurors vote and "hack" the system by breaking the naturally forming Schelling Point.

>Often, you want to wait until after all jurors have voted before the vote is revealed. This way jurors won’t be influenced as heavily by their peers.

>The major difference in Commit/Reveal courts is that they will need to take two actions. After a vote is cast, the juror will have to go back after voting has ended and reveal their vote. If a juror doesn't reveal their vote it will not be counted and they will be penalized as if they didn't vote.

>No courts are currently set up to use Commit/Reveal but keep an eye out for these courts rolling out in the coming months!

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>>25242521
WEW

>> No.25250379

>>25250315
>voting power is proportional to the amount staked

for the low iq twats: this means that there is no such thing as multiple votes, your votes just weigh more the more you have, joining a court multiple times doesn't change this either.

>> No.25250464

>>25250315
the commit reveal has been a part of kleros general votes for some time, it is just that reality.eth specifically has not implemented them as part of their integration because, surprise surprise, it is a pretty incompetent platform

>> No.25250615

>>25238404
This guy >>25241329 has it pretty well laid out. It's only this bad of a problem in cases without appeals and without commit-and-reveal.

>>25245589
No, but do you want me to? In all seriousness, I'm just suggesting he wait to cast his vote if he thinks "Invalid" is the right choice.

>>25250033
>Just go to Klerosscan dot com and enter 532, then you'll see how, just like the actual election, people voted more than once for Biden.
Alright, this one's funny.

>> No.25250824

>>25243261
No mongoloid parties of contract ARE bound by rules of contract ofc but they acuall will and reason why they entered contract in first place matters as much
Also obligatory THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMPLETS VS BASEDBOS fact is everyone participating in the market knew what are they betting on

fuck you are dumb

>> No.25250896

>>25247505
nobody is arguing the outcome; it will in all likelihood be Biden. the unfortunate legal reality (for you) is that until the electors vote, it is not a settled matter.

Under historical circumstances that generally isn't a problem, but when you have one party disputing the results of the election, you need to account for the potential that represents from a legal settlement perspective.

>> No.25250926

>>25232994
What if I tell you that Kleros doesn't need institutional money to reach $3? Only the money from hyped doritos-eater freaks will do.

>> No.25251086

>>25250896
>1-2% of fucking anons gambling on prediction markets heard of elector votes before last few weeks
>arbitration is not about resolving legal issues its about efficiently resolving disputes
Your arguments are invalid

>> No.25251131

>>25250896
And here is where the two sides disagree. Without any insults, honest to god opinion, this is where the invalids and the yesses disagree
The outcome is not under any dispute, both agree with that. However, invalids say that something is valid only after it is wholly legally technically valid, even if there is no possible way for any other outcome, and the yesses say thst things are valid after they physically happen, I.e. the absolute truth not the legal truth.
It is obvious to me that Kleros is not being asked for its legal opinion, and the only thing a decentralized court can ever really provide is absolute truth, which is absolute no matter how you look at it, as opposed to legal which depends on interpretation of a few select, exclusive bodies (none of which are the Kleros court at all)
I see your point, invalids, but you fail to understand that Kleros is not meant to be a replacement for legal debates or actual lawyers. This is just not at all the use case or even a possibility with this platform. You lost immediately after you started going on and on about constitution and the law. It is not about that, nobody gives a fuck about rhat. You’d have had a much better argument if you talked about investigations and tried to play that up, but unfortunate for you, this is long over as well.

>> No.25251248

>>25251131
You're an absolute retard. The election itself gives a fuck about the Constitution and no amount of you whining for social justice will ever make you a real woman.

>> No.25251281

>>25251131
as far as i'm aware kleros is supposed to be an arbitration system and not a poll.
if it is the latter, then it has failed.

>> No.25251425

>>25251248
>muh constitution
Yea, too bad decentralized, government independent protocols do not give a fuck about the US law or whatever the fuck you’re coping about. Get fucked in decentralized ways, moron
>>25251281
You’d be wrong then. It is a dispute resolution platform built specifically on the fact that people will poll together towards the popular vote, I.e. the schelling point. The whole point of this platform is the conversion of the public opinion. If you think that this was supposed to solve complicated ass cases with a lot of subjective and minute details, you’re a fucking retard who can’t read.
Read the whitepaper and a bit about the schelling point, mongoloid. It is all literally there.

>> No.25251455

>>25251281
arbitration can't "fail", parties choose arbiter and agree on respecting its decision, that how arbitration works fucking google it this is not some few good man mockup

>> No.25251601

>>25251425
the focal point doesn't matter when all the votes are visible and weighted, retard. so is it a poll or is it a dispute resolution platform?
>>25251455
kleros can fail. if the jurors are voting emotionally and being coerced into voting with the majority -- then kleros has fucking failed.

>> No.25251632

this stupid retards can’t understand one thing, DON’T SPEND YOUR TIME ON THIS SHIT

>> No.25251696

>>25251601
>kleros can fail. if the jurors are voting emotionally and being coerced into voting with the majority -- then kleros has fucking failed.
READ FUCKING WHITEPAPER OMFG thats the whole point of system, dont like it dont use platform that uses klaros to resolve disputes

>> No.25251736

>>25251601
The focal point still very much matters. For what it is worth, I agree with you and reality.eth should’ve upgraded their cases a million years ago, but it is what it is. The General Kleros court has both secret voting and appeal arbitration. Reality retards decided not to upgrade and stick with the old cases.
However, it is worth noting that case 302 was identical, and at the last moments the whales have votes the for the underdog answer. So things can still happen
Point is that you can still arbitrate with open weighted votes.

>> No.25251862

>>25251696
the point is to get jurors to vote emotionally? really? where was that in the whitepaper?
>>25251736
it's just not ideal.
desu senpai i really don't want to see kleros get killed in the crib, which is a possibility with this one.

>> No.25252036

>>25251862
Kleros will not be killed in its crib if it does it’s job which is remain the oracle for the obvious correct answer, not technically legally correct.
Look, this is just not a real court. It is an arbitration system which are supposed to be resolved on a good faith and reasonable thinking basis. We were never going to be senators or judges because this isn’t what this is supposed to be
I guess this is the first reality check to a bunch of 4chong basement dwellers. You all didn’t receive some magic legal power and no reside at the court of law where people will listen to your opinions. This isn’t what the court is about.
This court is about voting on what the majority will vote on SO YOU CAN KEEP YOUR FINANCIAL STAKE IN PNK AND ETH
That’s the whole point. Not honor, or legality. Which decision will get me to increase my pnk stack the most? The only unique red square? One of the 100 black square? One of 100 white squares that I really like specifically?
Gee, I fucking wonder what decision everyone else will pick to save their pnkies as well.
Come on, wake up people. The system is working as intended

>> No.25252318

>>25252036
Nobody needs a decentralized oracle which only reiterates Twitter sentiment

>> No.25252366

>>25252318
except this isn't what's happening
what is happening is that the universal truth across the board is "Biden has won the election", like it or not

>> No.25252505

>>25252366
Like it or not that isn't the truth u fucking faggot. COPE

>> No.25252574

>>25252505
u mad
i'll gladly take your pnkies, thank you.

>> No.25252621

>>25251862
No offense but I spent 2 years laughing at kleros for beeing idea of bunch of basedboys larping as judges and trying to replace legal system in deterministic world of blockchain
Than this case camed up
Than i read whitepaper and acually saw it working as reasonable arbitrage system not oversteping boundaries of platform
Than I go on biz and see acuall retards complaining
LOL

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>>25249459
>>25251131
based voices of reason
/thread

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>>25247005
>that you would get when asked the majority of people in the world?

>> No.25253015

>>25252621
And that man's name: Albert Einstein

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25253284

The absolute state of invalids

>> No.25253417

>>25253284
>that onions background

>> No.25253779

>>25233846
>then those whales are basically just lying in wait to steal your PNK
Sounds like a flawed system then.

>> No.25253799

>>25250464
i knew there was something retarded about realty.io
plus there's no way to appeal, which is part of the point of kleros is that you can appeal if you think you got the wrong answer

>> No.25254008

Now that I've had a good night of sleep I can come back to this thread to laugh.

>project lets random citizens vote like muh Ancient Athens
>newfags from /pol/ think they're geniuses for "discovering" flaws in this system that have been discussed for thousands of years

Lmao it's just mob rule bro calm down bro

>> No.25254641

sirs!

>> No.25254724

>>25254641
sir
please take this seriously

>> No.25254939

you mother fucking BASTERDS will do the needful CALMINGS!!!
SIRS, it is compulsory we stay calm. sir. dog bitch

>> No.25255189

yeah, whatever. EONY?

>> No.25255513

BUMP SIRS

>> No.25255628

>>25255189
forty rupees sir

>> No.25255874

>>25252366
The problem with you is you think there's no difference between "has won" and "will win". Guess which language Omen used.

>> No.25256087

>>25241813
Some marketing genius decided to make Kleros *the* pajeet coin. Pretty funny