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>30% capital gains tax in this faggot country
>If you leave and revoke your citizenship, you still have to pay those 30% on any gains you make
>For 10 fucking years
This is absolutely draconian. How is this fucking allowed?

>> No.26410668

>>26410623
which country?

>> No.26410716

>>26410668
Only burgerland taxes "citizens" who are non-dom.

>> No.26410729

>>26410668
Suomi

>> No.26410783

>>26410716
such a shit country

>> No.26410830

>>26410623
capital gains on unrealized profits lol. just go dHEDGE and move to a crypto friendly country and cash out

>> No.26410943

>>26410623
vittu

>>26410716
false, a lot of countries do that in Europe too

>> No.26410952

>>26410623
just leave and don't report your holdings

>> No.26411026

>>26410952
being a tax evader in Finland is the worst crime you can possibly commit. Will get worse treatment than rapists/murderers

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>>26410623
>If you leave and revoke your citizenship
Why not just drain all your accounts and put them into a new bank then? What are they gonna do? Arrest a citizen of some different country?

>> No.26411242

>>26411173
This. Unless you're actively helping others evade tax, there's no way a country can enforce their tax laws to net contributors within another country.

>> No.26411262

>>26411026
if you renounce your citizenship, why do you care? just leave your country for good

>> No.26411351

>>26411242
>>26411262
Most developed countries have tax agreements with eachother, so I'm guessing they'd report to my tax authorities if I were to realize gains after having left my country. There's really no way to know how diligent different countries are with reporting this kind of stuff.

>> No.26411378

>>26410830
how does dhedge help?

>> No.26411417

>>26411351
Set base in Dubai for a year or two. Cash out there. Then move somewhere else.

>> No.26411457

>>26411262
1) You can't renounce your citizenship unless you already have another citizenship. Getting one is either extremely time-consuming and hard or just expensive. Even then, it is not certain that they will revoke your citizenship if they believe you are doing it just to avoid taxes
2) Giving up Finnish citizenship in exchange for citizenship in some shithole that has a citizenship-for-investment program is extremely stupid, so I would never do that personally.

>> No.26411478

>>26411351
just spend enough time to gain fiscal residence somewhere else and cash out, then fuck off back if you want

>> No.26411488

>>26410623
You didn’t build that! If it were left to me you’d be paying 90%.

>> No.26411524

>>26411417
I wouldn't get emirati citizenship, so I'd still be a finnish citizen. It would just be gamling on wether or not their authorities report back to the finnish ones.

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>>26410623
>How is this fucking allowed?
drones

>> No.26411578

So if a 30% capital gains tax rate is draconian, does that mean that a 37% ordinary income tax rate is even more draconian?

>> No.26411592

>>26411524
Except they literally won't. Learn how the game is played. No country is going to evict an investor resident if their earnings are legit. It would be a complete waste of resources for no gain

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>>26410623
This is why the true move is never cashing out and using your stocks/crypto as collateral for borrowing.

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>>26411578
>tfw 50% income tax in Belgium

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26411679

>>26410623
Land of the free, amarite?

>> No.26411697

Why not use a tax haven?

>> No.26411701

paska maa

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>>26410623
Oh sweet summer child
You haven’t seen anything yet

>> No.26411732

>>26411524
Move outside on finnrand, get a limited tax liability from the tax jew (rajoitettu verovelvollisuus) because you're living in another country. This process will take time from 6 months to 3 years. After that cash out and move back to the nigger communist paradise of hese. Nigger.

>> No.26411753

>>26411457
>>26411524

It all comes down to the amount you're cashing out. If it's not much, not worth going through the hassle of renouncing citizenship.
If it's a big amount: get French citizenship. Renounce finnish citizenship (france is not a tax haven so they won't refuse to revoke it)
Then go to another country that has no tax and cash out there.

>> No.26411757

>>26411524
dubai will never report your stuff to EU authorities anon

>> No.26411766

>>26411603
This guy gets it

>> No.26411844

>>26411603
>>26411766

are you both retarded? you're supposed to pay back what you borrow dumbasses

>> No.26411904

>>26410623
it might be a good idea to start a business and "pay" yourself the profits minus business tax instead of paying captal gains tax

>> No.26411924

>>26410623
Ei pidä paikkaansa Suomessa, googlaa rajoitettu verovelvollisuus
https://www.vero.fi/syventavat-vero-ohjeet/ohje-hakusivu/49133/rajoitetusti-verovelvollisen-osingot-korot-ja-rojaltit/
Voit olla rajoitetusti verovelvollinen jo vuoden jälkeen

>> No.26411972

>>26411732
Yes but there's a 10 year clause that has you pay capital gains tax on anything you acquired while in Finland. Since I got the assets whilst in Finland, they will demand payment even if I leave and revoke my citizenship.

>> No.26412002

>>26411603
You can buy physical gold with bitcoin.

>> No.26412047

>>26411972
dude you're fucked.
either grow some balls and move out or pay your taxes

>> No.26412177

>>26411924
That is with regards to income. Capital gains from selling stocks or crypto is different.

Did you press "buy" while in Finland? Then pay up :). It's an actual fucking mafia.

>> No.26412212

>>26411972
That's why you hire a kike lawyer that will plan your taxes so you dont have to pay them. if you cant afford one easily you dont have enough to cash out. Vitun neekeri

>> No.26412227

>>26411660
All to fund Muhammed's 8 children

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>>26411844
More complex than that anon.
Do your own research :)

>> No.26412291

>>26411972
please give me a link to that clause

>> No.26412294

>>26410729
It's 3 years of living in another country and having no ties like property in Finland.
You can move to another EU country really easily.

Plus in Finland you can use hankintameno-olettama so you just write your buy price as 20% of your sell price. 40% if you hold 10+ years.

>> No.26412335

I have no idea how, but an LLC in Malta is your ticket.

>> No.26412376

>>26412277
Point me in the right direction anon.

>> No.26412382

>>26412277
what's the point of not sharing your info?

>> No.26412387

>>26410623
move to switzerland, anon-sama, you can stay at my place

>> No.26412394

>>26411660
Yea you have to study or work part time to remain good house father (0% tax).

Can also just wait for five years after selling... then your taxes are discontinued. But do report your exchange to the CAP because it is seen as a foreign bank account. (so just include that on tax form and you’re good to go, not fraudulent anymore)

Anyways, just stop being a poorfuck and go to a tax lawyer he’ll talk you through all of this.

>> No.26412408

that’s top you could come up with?

>> No.26412412

>>26412291
I can't find it right now, but I had it confirmed when I made to call to the tax authorities to ask.

>> No.26412427

>>26411844
he literally told you how to legally evade taxes on capital gains and you're complaining lmao

>> No.26412436

>>26411457
You can have Paraguay citizenship for $5000. Very convenient if you want to cash out 1mil or more.

>> No.26412440

>>26410623
Imagine free competition between different forms of governments.

>> No.26412438

I dont get it. if you move .. to Russia, and make money there, receive it in your new Russian bank account, what can Finland do about it?

>> No.26412453

>>26411524
>It would just be gamling on wether or not their authorities report back to the finnish ones.
They will, 100%, they are both paticipating in CRS/AEOI. Whatever you do you should not listen to the clueless retards like >>26411592
here who have no knowledge nor own experience about these things.

>>26411732
>ajoitettu verovelvollisuus
>This process will take time from 6 months to 3 years.
It will take at least 3 years not counting the year you move

>>26411753
>just get French citizenship bro
you realize this takes several years of living and working in France, right?

>>26411924
99% varmuudella et saa sitä läpi vuodessa, tai edes kahdessa. Olen yrittänyt

>>26411972
>10 year clause that has you pay capital gains tax on anything you acquired while in Finland.
really? show the clause to me because I think you have misinterpreted something

>> No.26412465

Just let go of the hate that goes with “I have to pay my taxes”. Really, it’s trivial. Don’t be so poor that it hurts you and just be happy you can help someone else with it. Just trade until you got 30 million it’s not that hard really.

t. Been trading since 2016

>> No.26412488

>>26412412
You seem to be the only source for this information on google. So it's bullshit.

>> No.26412496

>>26410623
They cant enforce it in any way, just tell them to fuck off

>> No.26412542

>>26412436
1) Paraguay is a massive shithole on the other side of the world (from EU investors perspective).
2) No you can't. You can have a residence permit which is not the same thing at all. Even then, it wont free you from the tax liability of your home country.

>> No.26412547

Why would not you cash out in bumfuck Africa? Find a safe place to stay in, in a non totalitarian state, with no tax agreeement and some international banks. Maybe Kenya, Gabon, Senegal, Namibia.

>> No.26412575

>>26411972
Citation required

>> No.26412622

>>26411728
>>26410623
I feel like if you make lowball <100k profits then they wont bother taxing

But if you're making more than that, then you absolutely deserve to get taxed

>> No.26412670

>>26412547
I’d rather pay millions in tax than ever set a foot on that dirty piece of shit

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>>26412547

>> No.26413638

>>26412294
>hankintameno-olettama

Onko se oikeasti näin vitun helppoa?

>Hankintameno-olettamaa voi myös käyttää, vaikka todellinen hankintahinta olisi tiedossa. Jos olet esimerkiksi hankkinut yhden bitcoinin 0 eurolla ja myynyt sen 10 000 eurolla, tulisi tästä 30% verotuksella tavallisesti 3 000 euron verotaakka. Voit kuitenkin hankintameno-olettamaa käyttämällä vähentää myyntivoitosta 20% eli 2 000 euroa, jolloin lopulliseksi veroksi lasketaan 2 400 euroa.

Kuulostaa liian hyvältä ollakseen totta

>> No.26413674

>>26410729
prkl

>> No.26413943

>>26411603
Islam is against usury though

>> No.26414013

>>26413638
Ilmeisesti se on näin. En ole myynyt nyt kun tuo tuli käyttöön mutta oikaisuvaatimus menossa vanhoista myynneistä. Järjettömät jonot noissa vaatimuksissa kylläkin.

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>>26411548
Hmmmm imagine that as a POW...

>> No.26414128

>>26412547
Because it's a massive fucking shithole and this isn't a racial comment

>> No.26414232

>>26412547
>Thinking 'cashing out in another country' frees you from your tax liability in your home country

Kek.

In the UK, you would need to move out of the UK for at least 5 years, else you will owe the tax. Probably similar for other countries.

>> No.26414287

>>26411679
Mega retard

>> No.26414370

>>26412277
Please explain. If you get a fiat loan you have to pay it back with fiat due to AML laws.

>> No.26414432

>>26414370
>Take out loan using crypto as collateral
>Don't pay it back
>They take the "collateral" when you don't repay the loan

I think is the basic idea...

>> No.26414892

>>26414432
Most platforms I looked up don't go higher than 50% LTV, so it wouldn't be worth it. I did find one called YouHodler that does 90% LTV so I guess that could work. Haven't researched to check if they're legit. That seems like it could result in legal issues though, and also maybe the tax authorities would consider it to be selling.

>> No.26415240

>>26412376
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/122414/what-difference-between-dividends-and-capital-gains.asp

>> No.26415271

>>26410729
Finland?

>> No.26415327

>>26411173
>What are they gonna do? Arrest a citizen of some different country?
Yes this shit literally happens all the time. Your only chance is to move to a country that doesn't have extradition to your previous homeland.

>> No.26415363

>>26410729
I thought you guys have btc atm in your cunt, why don't you use one if them?
t.svenanon

>> No.26415507

>>26412622
>Won't bother taxing
You really think they don't want every penny they can get? Just look at history.

>> No.26416191

>>26412387
Hey anon, can I stay too? No butt stuff! M-maybe down the line.

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Älä maksa mitään verohallinnon juutalaisille, osta vain fyysistä kultaa niim birusti