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29313618 No.29313618 [Reply] [Original]

How do you guys keep your seed words safe?

For me, I have 5 different plates with alternating sets of words on them. So you would need to be in control of at least 3 plates to get all 24 words. 3 plates are buried in various locations throughout my property, and 2 plates are kept in secure locations in neighboring states.

In addition to this, I have my seed phrase uploaded to my cloud drive secured with 2FA accessible only through my phone. Just in case I forgot the location of the plates.

>> No.29313680

>>29313618
what a faggot
just use a USB drive with vera crypt

>> No.29313685

>>29313618
imma steal your phone niggguuuuuuh

>> No.29313762

>In addition to this, I have my seed phrase uploaded to my cloud drive secured with 2FA accessible only through my phone. Just in case I forgot the location of the plates.

One simswap attack and you're fucked

>> No.29313908

>>29313618
nice bait

>> No.29314026

>>29313618
>all that autistic effort for physical security
>completely negated by uploading to the cloud

retarded or bait, just encrypt with a strong passphrase and be done with it

>> No.29314165

>>29313762
Simswap?

>> No.29314243

>>29313618
I have this thing called a brain where I store memories. I keep it there.

>> No.29314246

>>29313618
I tattooed seed phrase on my dick because i know no one will ever see it

>> No.29314276

>>29313618
I have a piece of paper and an usb stick lmao. 5 figures hell so it doesnt really matter

>> No.29314368

>>29314243
>he stored his seed phrase on deterministically faulty memory
Oh nooooooo.

>> No.29314384

>>29314165
Very small chance of this happening to you, but it is likely possible yes. The risk makes it not worth it. Also this >>29314026

If you truly have a make it amount of money, buy a large gun safe that can be easily carried and put the steel wallets in there. I do believe there'll be more reliable storage mechanisms sometime this decade, however, but hopefully not involving institutional banks.

>> No.29314442

>>29314165
oh boy

>>29314243
>get concussion
>suffer memory issues
>forget seed phrase

>> No.29314548

i accidently lost my words for my metamask. is there any way to get them back? i still have my password

>> No.29314565

>>29314246
kek
Do the prison guard see it if you are sent to prison?

>> No.29314602

>>29313680
This. Have seeds written on paper (minus a few words that you just remember) and also encrypted with AES 256 locally and on-cloud in case you ever forget

>> No.29314667

>>29313618
6 figure hell here. Seed words written on a paper hidden in a drawer.

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>>29313618
>For me, I have 5 different plates with alternating sets of words on them. So you would need to be in control of at least 3 plates to get all 24 words. 3 plates are buried in various locations throughout my property, and 2 plates are kept in secure locations in neighboring states.
fantastic OP, finally someone who-
>I have my seed phrase uploaded to my cloud drive
whoops, nevermind

>> No.29314712

>>29314667
Exactly what I do

>> No.29314748

>he doesn’t memorize his seed words
Ngmi

>> No.29314762

>>29314548
You need to make sure you know that shit asap. As it is now, it is only stored locally on your browser. If your browser/extensions are reset or your hardware fails you will lose your wallet.

>> No.29314772

>>29314667
>go on vacation
>house burns down

>> No.29314807

>>29314548
No.

>> No.29314812

tattooed backwards on my taint, requires a mirror to read it

>> No.29314818

>>29314667
Imagine being in 7 figure hell with this.
Sergey made me become a NEET because I don't want to leave my home.

>> No.29314825

>>29313618
i wrote them on paper and locked to safe.

Oldschool baby

>> No.29314837

>>29313618
Probably start by not taking a picture of it and posting it for a thread on /biz/ where everyone can read it.

>> No.29314844

>>29314695
There is nothing wrong with having it on the cloud if the uploaded file is securely encrypted (the actual file not just the cloud service/account).

>> No.29314977

>>29314844
I don't think OP is smart enough to set up GPG, or else he would have mentioned it.
That poses another problem as well, since you now have that private key to store someplace as well.

>> No.29315049

Does anybody do a second dummy wallet 25th word passphrase in case of torture?

>> No.29315129

30 replies and nobody answered OP's question yet

fags

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>>29313618
Hand-encrypted with yet another passphrase

>> No.29315140

>>29314762
well what do i do? i jsut delegated my GRT last night and itll take 28 days to get it out. is there any way i can see the words again ?

>> No.29315287

I've just memorized them. Lol at low cognition faggots who can't memorize 24 words and refresh by going through them weekly while falling asleep.

>> No.29315310

>>29315140
nevermind i figured it out. i got it saved now

>> No.29315319
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29315319

I don't understand crypto wallets.
- Aren't there Chinese hacker farms out there using proto quantum computers trying to crack open every single wallet? Then how is a combination of 24 English words supposed to be the apex of security? Isn't a sophisticated dictionary attack enough to crack these wallets?
- why is the more expensive trezor t only using 12 words while the cheaper trezor one uses 24? Isn't that more vulnerable?
- has there even been instances of people wallets getting randomly opened? Like if I type 12 random words I know there's a 0.00001% chance I'll find something but considering there must be people out there doing this 24 7, is it possible that a certain numbers of wallets have been cracked already?
- what's the maximum amount you should consider holding on a single wallet?
- isn't it preferable to spread your stack across multiple different wallets?
- what's the point of generating multiple different wallets with the same seed? Shouldn't the best measure is to create as many different 24 words seeds as needed wallets?
- if so, what's the best way to do this? Let's say I have 1m and only want to put 100k per wallet. Create trezor seed, send 10% of your funds, wipe wallet, repeat 9 more times? And now I have 10 different 24w seeds to worry about?
- what's the deal with the 25th word option or passphrase? On trezor one you're supposed to type it on your computer, isn't that an attack vector? Is it just a way to add another layer of encryption that couldn't be broken with a dictionary attack? So it is best to have it be random letters or?

Sorry if stupid questions but I just really want to understand all the risks and optimal security strategies here.

>> No.29315338

>>29315140
you can display your seedphrase in metamask; just go to parameters > security

>> No.29315339

>>29314548
>login
>send assets to new wallet
OR
>login
>look at seed phrase (yes it’s in your wallet)
It’s this fucking easy you stupid fucking idiot.

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29315401

>>29314165
>call anons carrier
>"hey I'm on vacation and lost my SIM card, can I get a new one?"
>"sure anon! whats the address we'll send it right over!"
>anons sim card arrives
>plop it into phone
>reset all of anons accounts
nothing personal.

>> No.29315488

it’s tattooed inside my foreskin and u have to remove the dick cheese to see it

>> No.29315496

>>29315401
Is it that easy? I’m sure you have to know some information about anon

>> No.29315553

>>29315137
ah nice vigenere. reminds me old times. i got my oswe but never worked for industry. thank god for crypto.

>> No.29315572

>>29315496
you really just need to know their full name, anything else that they might need can be deduced by using the internet.

>> No.29315601

>>29315129
Not everyone will obviously retard quit trying to expect anything more on a korean kimchi fermenting forum

>> No.29315609

>>29313618
Schizo shit right here. You're more likely to lose your passphrase than someone is to steal it, just keep a copy in a safe place or two

>> No.29315621

I cipher then then write the ciphered versions into my code book. Code book stays vaulted and live keys stay in the hardware device.

>> No.29315622

>>29315129
Thank u bro for keeping people on topic. Quite frankly, I'm a bit disgusted by all these attacks on my character based on a single post.

>> No.29315628

>>29313618
Tattoed mine on my foreskin, the kikes will never look there!

>> No.29315651

>>29314565
yes
most of the work a CO will ever do is starting at inmate's cocks

>> No.29315684

>>29315496
depends on how retarded the customer rep is. text 2FA should really only be used for an extra layer of security and should never be used as a substitute or reset. An authenticator is more secure.

>> No.29315706

>>29315621
Also I keep pgp encrypted versions of the originals on clown storage with long passphrases only I can remember.

>> No.29315741

>>29315622
>I'm being attacked :(
fuck back off to where ever you came from then.

>> No.29315757

My 12 words for my non custodial wallet are engraved on a metal tablet hidden somewhere.

>> No.29315770

a text file on 7 different hard drives

>> No.29315777

In an encrypted RAR file that contains a text file with all my 2FAs, seeds and keys.

>> No.29315810

>>29313618
In my head. I recite the words to myself every day at least once. I also have some physical hand positions which correspond to the first word in each quad, so that by having a link to the physical world it's much harder to forget. I simply move my hand into the first position, and the words are there in my head

>> No.29315829

>>29315137
I also literally do this.

>> No.29315934

>>29315319
I too would like to know the answers to these questions

>> No.29315945

>>29313618
>uploaded to my cloud drive secured with 2FA accessible only through my phone
basically that voids the gay ass shit you just did burying plates on your properties when someone calls your provider and pretends to be you

>> No.29316013

in my snapchat my eyes only

>> No.29316093

Ive created my seeds on a USB stick running Tails offline, I have 3 copies of this Tails thing

The sensitive stuff I created offline is stored in a file in my email with AES-256 encryption from 7zip in case I lost mmy usb sticks.

Is that enough kinda ok to do?

>> No.29316095

>>29313618
Screenshot saved in my my pictures folder, absolutely no encryption or security and it's named seedphrase.jpg

>> No.29316112

>>29315319
anon, it's physically impossible to brute force 256bit encryption, even with proto quantum computers as you say doing trillions of operations per seconds would take more time since the big bang to brute force a wallet seed... so yeah you're fine...

>> No.29316192

I use this crazy thing called a pen and paper

>> No.29316264

>>29315319
You need a better understanding of statistics.

There is 5.4e39 possible wallet seed phrases even with just 12 words. For 24 words that is 2.96e79

Even if someone brute forced a quadrillion guesses, they would only have a 1/5400000000000 chance of hitting your wallet even with just a 12 word seed wallet

>> No.29316346

>>29314368
I can remember a list with 200 hundred words in it in perfect order are you just a dumb nigger?

>> No.29316503

Wouldn't it be possible to somehow make your body contain the seedphrase? I'm not talking about tattoo but rather biometrics. Maybe using your fingerprint, retina scan or maybe even nfc chip hidden somewhere in your body? That way you will have your wallet everywhere you are. Obviously don't tell anyone that you have something like that, not unless you want to be abducted

>> No.29316647

>>29313618
How do you made the plates?

>> No.29316660

>>29316503
nfc chip would work, people have those under their skin already. don't even need a doctor to do it.

>> No.29316662

>>29313618
I put it on a peice of paper and keep it with the ledger because i have fuck all ib my wallet. Ill reconsider once i get 50k worth

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29316663

>I have 5 different plates with alternating sets of words on them. So you would need to be in control of at least 3 plates to-

>> No.29316697

>>29315622
How fat are you?

>> No.29316751

>>29313618
autism

>> No.29316883

>>29314548
just send it to another wallet man it's really easy and make sure you do it quickly

>> No.29316898

>>29313680
>>29314602
Fuck you faggots

Never put your private keys on the internet till it's time to sell
Just write it down on some fucking paper and put it in a few places in your house fgs
No one's gonna break in and find your hidden seed phrase and steal it
Put one in a safety deposit box in case you have a house fire

>> No.29317116

>>29313618
I modified a rom of secret of mana with the only difference being that the 3rd letter of every last name in the credits spells out my seed phrase. I figured the best way to start my wage slave free life is replaying my favorite game

>> No.29317139

>>29315319
I know my post is a mess but could I get answers to all the questions not only the statistics thing thank you
ie quick rundown on how many different wallets/seeds you use, the passphrase thing etc

>> No.29317142

>>29316898
Holy fuck you're retarded.

>> No.29317204

>>29315137
cyphers sound like a good way to do it. But wouldn't you need to memorise the randomly output phrase?

>> No.29317287

>>29313618
Its literally a set of words bro. Memorize them and find creative ways to encode them in benign places. If you're just writing them down and locking it in a safe you're ngmi

>> No.29317482

>>29316647
I bought them from Amazon. Just type in "titanium plates crypto"

>> No.29317484

>>29314548
you are fucking retarded

>> No.29317555

>>29317204
The idea is that you keep a physical copy of the encrypted text only, and you memorize the encryption key.

>> No.29317699

>>29314243
NGMI

>> No.29317741 [DELETED] 

>>29317482
good job, now the chink company that made your plate knows what your seed phrase is...
is this bait or are you genuinely retarded?

>> No.29317753

I have created 24 websites that are basic blogs. On the 24th blog post, the (24th*x) word where x is the order of websites from creation is my word.

>> No.29317824

>>29313618
I hold 3m on binance exchange

>> No.29317852

>>29317482
Thank you anon, appreciated

>> No.29317899

Rot Cypher on paper

>> No.29317924

I have a brain, this makes everything easier as I can just remember the words.

>> No.29318117

>>29314442
>>get concussion
>>forget X
Dude are you for real

>> No.29318264

>>29313680
>vera crypt
back door

>> No.29318342

>>29318117
I've had 12 concussions and I haven't forgotten anything, I get headaches and I'm fucking angry constantly. Careful with your nuggets lads.

>> No.29318435
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>>29313618
i just write them down on little pieces of paper and shove them up my butt

>> No.29318438

I have half of my seed words in a piece of paper inside my PC.
The second half is in my wallet.

>> No.29318891

>>29313618
I have several hard copies written in multiple separate locations. They're written on cardstock and laminated with packing tape. Most importantly, they're written in a fake language and fake alphabet that only I know.

When I eventually make it (hopefully soon). I'm going to get two safety deposit boxes at two separate banks. In each box I'll store half the total seed phrase, written in plain english. Then in my will, I'll have instructions on how to use it. Just in case I die, so my family can at least use my money.

>> No.29319067

>>29316663
kek
Make sure your data is recoverable

>> No.29319115
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>>29316898
They might if they know I bought a ledger. Which they do.

>> No.29319376

>>29315401
but sim swaps don't affect google 2FA, just use that

>> No.29319400

>>29317142
More retarded than keeping your keys on the internet? Lol

>>29319115
Then they just steal your ledger
Or more likely the ledger software bounty placed on its own head gets cracked through any of the myriad ways it could potentially be cracked

You can't hack into a piece of paper

>> No.29319430

>>29313618
I have them in plain textfile inside a zipfile with a password.

and on a usb, and on paper

>> No.29319460

>>29316898
>in case you have a house fire
water proof/fire proof safes arent that expensive

>> No.29319562

>>29319460
Also this

>> No.29319602

>>29314165
Cannot find that on CG. Presale running?

>> No.29319668

>>29319400
No but you can beat my skull in until I unlock it for you

>> No.29319674

>>29315684
My only hesitation with authenticator apps is what happens if you lose/break the phone you have that app installed on?

>> No.29319696

>>29314246
Lmao, a surefire solution

>> No.29319709

just learn your seedphrase, it's not that hard

>> No.29319764

>>29313618

Wtf is the point of this level of security? It just sounds paranoid tinfoil-hat at this point. If you're an average joe, who doesn't brag about how much money he has, no one is coming to your house to steal your fucking cryptos, lmfao. Get your head out of your ass and smell the fucking roses. No one is going to waste their time digging through your backyard just to cash in on 0.00003BTC and a few ADA. And they weren't going to do this if you had your seed words on your desk, either. The likelihood of your crypto getting stolen when it's hidden in your backyard, or in a physical form on your desk are pretty much identical.

Not saying you don't need to do this. But I do think it may be a little overboard.

>> No.29319927

>>29319764
I hold LINK

>> No.29320158

>>29319460
You can get fireproof metal things like in OP's pic. There's reviews out there where the guy tested a load. Some came out readable and some didn't so choose wisely or just make your own if you're handy.

>> No.29320243

>>29319674
There is a seed for the authenticator that you write down

>> No.29320441

>>29319400
You are technologically illiterate retard.

Your file is encrypted with AES256 until you need it. You are orders of magnitude more likely to either lose your paper, have your paper destroyed through water/fire damaged, have it stolen, or be the victim of social engineering than you are that someone cracks your encrypted Ledger/encrypted file (which there is literally not a single case of ever happening).

The overwhelming vast majority of lost wallets are through phishing, social engineering, lost/forgotten/damaged, or malware.

>> No.29320620

The best security is that nobody knows you own crypto. If a thief knows about it, he will actively look for your ledger and seed codes throughout your house. Thieves never stay in a property for too long so they have limited time to search for valuables. If he doesn't know you own crypto, he will look for other things such as jewelry and cash.

>> No.29320811

>>29315810
>In my head. I recite the words to myself every day at least once.

Obvious bait. No one is this retarded in real life. 5/10 for making me reply, though.

>> No.29321001

>>29315401
>>"sure anon! whats the address we'll send it right over!"
What company asks for the address?
Every single company that deals with mailing important shit will never ask you for the address in case you request a new sim card or any other similar thing.
At best you could stake out the home if you know the address and steal the mail.

>> No.29321332

>>29313618
I just keep it on this pastebin
https://pastebin.com/cKzzuYTZ

>> No.29321740

>>29320441
no

>> No.29321918

sticky note on the back of my computer

>> No.29322006

>>29316095
actually not that bad.
but still scrapable by bots.
I used a 3d modelling program to model the words as text, and named it "tutorial.3dm".
i emailed it to myself, saved it in the cloud, stored it on a flash drive in my fire proof safe.
not entirely secure, but at least it's behind a passworded access point, and very obscure.

>> No.29322356

>>29321918
My seed phrases are also on sticky notes on the back of this guy's computer

>> No.29322378

>>29317482
>some CNC operator making $20 pr/hr steels your crypto
Heh, de personal nada, Heffe.

>> No.29322586

>>29315319
have an upboat sir

>> No.29323036

>>29313618
I just created 12 lol accounts and added all between them each having a number indicating the order of the words. The nicknames are the words good luck finding them faggots

>> No.29323110

>>29317482
giving 60 dollars to kikes for a piece of metal

>you really are my greatest ally

>> No.29323258

>>29313618
I emailed it to myself. Unironically

>> No.29323289

>>29320811
Checked fren, and why? 2017 newfag here, why would I entrust my seed phrase anywhere except my memory? That's just asking for trouble. I used the hand movement technique in school to remember the answers to exam questions, so it was a natural extension to use it as a prompt for my seed phrase. Obviously this is only for my one hodl cold storage BTC wallet with a large stack, the rest of my crypto is split over various wallets with more traditional methods of seed phrase recall

>> No.29323350

>>29314165
2FA via Authenticator app is the only way to go

>> No.29323407

>>29318264
I fucked your dad in his backdoor

>> No.29323543

>>29315319
>Aren't there Chinese hacker farms out there using proto quantum computers trying to crack open every single wallet?
No. Quantum computers aren't anywhere near the point where they can be used to crack anything, and most of the encryption used by crypto wallets is quantum resistant (hybrid algorithms + ephemeral keys). Long before someone makes a quantum computer that can actually break some (single) type of encryption, post-quantum cryptography will be widespread. NIST is already working on standards - https://csrc.nist.gov/projects/post-quantum-cryptography
and most of those are already available in stable software.
https://openquantumsafe.org/
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/post-quantum-tls/

>> No.29323554

>>29322378
they come blank and you punch them in yourself reeetard

>> No.29323575

I wrote a best selling childrens book. First work of each chapter is one of the words.

>> No.29323881

>>29313618
Why would you post in detail the method you use to keep your secrets? Are you actually retarded?

>> No.29324318

>>29323575
Now all I need to do is write a script that trawls through children's books. Ha!

>> No.29324452

>>29318342
Lol how the fuck did you get 12 concussions? Do you routinely use your head to hammer nails in or something.

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>>29314548
https://metamask.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018766351-How-to-use-the-Vault-Decryptor-with-the-MetaMask-Vault-Data

read this!!

don't send it away and waste gas

>> No.29324746

>>29313618
I write them down on a piece of paper that I put on my desk.

>> No.29324755

>>29323881
we're all anonymous here, you know that right?

>> No.29324763

>>29313618
>divides up seedphrase into multiple metal plates and buries them around property
>also uploads entire seedphrase to cloud

what the fuck is the point of the larp

>> No.29324933

>>29313618
Based
I do something similar except I have 7 plates that I have entrusted to 7 different bloodthirsty monsters that I have sealed deep within dungeons scattered across the world.
I sleep easy knowing the 40 BAT I got from clicking ads is in safe hands.

>> No.29325439

I have a cobo tablet plus, because I'm storing too much to simply trust it to fucking paper lol

>> No.29325704

>>29313618
Got 3.7mm$ in link and I have my seed memorized in my brain and a copy on a notebook, I use a passphrase and gave it to my mother.
This way my mother can't compromise it me because no seed, and even if i die she finds the notebook with the seed and passphrase.
On the other hand if I'm going to travel I'll do it with nothing, seed and passphrase in brain.

>> No.29325763

>>29313618
I have all of my seed phrases in a word document.

>> No.29325785

I have mine on paper in zip lock bags. Copies in bags are in my safe, which is in my concrete vault beneath my house, and copies are in my sealed Will package in a safety deposit box for my trustees.

>> No.29326017

>>29325763
based

>> No.29326097

I have buried an empty coffin in the local cemetary. Inside of that coffin, is the GPS coordinates of a 200 year old tree located in the middle of the National Forest in Minnesota. Only during the winter will you be able to go there and see the one place where the snow does not fall. Walk 35 paces west, and 100 paces north. Dig in this location and 20 feet deep will you find my seed words.

>> No.29326473

>>29315319
>your 1st Question
No, even with quantum computers it would take forever for 12 word seeds, and literally forever for 24 word seeds.
>2
12 words are enough, the old one uses 24 because it didn't have advanced recovery back then, so you have to enter the seed manually on the computer but in random order, this isn't safe for 12 words, but now with matrix recovery you can use 12 words safely on both (use command line to force trezone one to generate 12 words "trezorctl reset-device -t 128").
>3
if generated with good randomness then no probably not, you don't have your 0.00001% chance to find it but 1/2^128 for 12 words and 1/2^256 for 24 words, which can be considered 0 for humans
>4
I hold 100k linkies or 3.5mm$ on a 12 word seed wallet, generated on trezor 1 but recovered on ledger nano S because smaller and don't have to type the passphrase everytime.
>5
sure spread it if you want, I prefer having it in a single wallet because I memorize the seed, easier that way
>6
easier
>7
now you have 10x24 words to backup, since you probably don't have 10 different houses with a safe in each house, then you'll store them at the same place, which is the same as 1 seed
>8
passphrase adds an extra layer of security, you must have it on trezor because if someone gets hold of your wallet they can extract the seed, you don't need it on ledger but I use it anyway.
typing it on the keyboard isn't an attack vector unless someone steals your seed backup and puts a keylogger on your pc.

Here nigger I answered all your questions, because my linkies have been crabbing forever and might as well help the newfags before I commit sudoku

>> No.29326942

written in a book in my room somewhere lolol