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Why do we continue to allow poor southern EU countries like Spain, Italy and Greece to hold back the economies of northern EU countries? What can we do about this?

>> No.30188796

kys from Sweden

Wish some Muslim would massacre Brussels

>> No.30188797

>>30188751
They arent holding their nordic masters back, they are buying their excess produce and keeping the prices low.

>> No.30189035

EU’s going down.

>> No.30189056

>>30188751
They're probably gonna leave the EU soon anyway because they're going fascist and then they'll drop to the level of arab countries.

>> No.30189111

>>30188751
Posts like this show how retarded is an average 4chan user. Go and read an economics book

>> No.30189122

>>30188751
Well they could pay their fucking taxes for once. They could also learn some work ethic. Lazy motherfuckers. We should also give them kill on sight for the invaders coming from the dunes.

>> No.30189215
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>>30188751
>blame other people instead of the EU and EURO itself which are political and economical scams
you are fucking retarded
only your stupidity is holding you back
i converted all fake printed out of thin air worthless euro into bitcoin and i keep doing it with every paycheck

>> No.30189216

>>30188751
It's almost as if the EU itself was a bad idea.

>> No.30189280

>>30189035
Lol what is stronger euro or usd?

>> No.30189298

>>30188751
t. Greek here
Unless some outside governance (e.g. Fuhrer Merkel) just completely dissolves the govt. and takes over governance and enforcement of economic policies then any money sent here will be laundered by the government and funneled into their lobby partners. This is literally bond purgatory here. You can't trust these retards to allocate funds properly.
>but da people voted for them
I wouldn't trust the Greek general populace to fucking wash a bar of soap.
The lower class people are not the ones actively tax evading (besides paying cash proactively). It's the middle class self-proclaimed business owners thinking they've outsmarted the system.

>> No.30189314

>>30189280
euro is going down together with usd and all other fiat shitcoins
euro vs usd is just stupid, they are the same thing

>> No.30189327

>>30189280
Euro. Usd is a nigger coin that just goes brrr infinitely.

>> No.30189359

>>30189298
You're definitely a greek.

>> No.30189365

>>30189327
moron, in europe there are negative interest rates which is a major indicator of totally fucked economics and full clown world mode

>> No.30189417

>>30188751
>I'm an American and I'm going to tell you about your own country

Get lost faggot

>> No.30189420

Idk why people dislike EU so much, bunch of boring faggot bureaurocrats is much better than than american politics with their high school tier drama. At least I can trade and cash crypto without tax, that alone makes it 10x better

>> No.30189423

>>30189359
Yeah no shit that' what I typed retard

>> No.30189428

>Why do we continue to arse fuck poor southern EU countries like Spain, Italy and Greece to maintain the economies of northern EU countries?

Leave the fucking EU you sissy

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>>30188751
South EU niggas are alright. We just need to shut the external borders (forever). Unfortunately that won't ever happen.

>> No.30189464
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30189464

you know the solution

>> No.30189485
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30189485

>shit wages
>high taxes
>mass migration
>ales males are söyboys
>everyone is fine being a poorfag for life bexause muh socialism

tfw no rich american bf to get me out of this euro hellhole

>> No.30189536

>>30189420
>bunch of boring faggot bureaurocrats is much better than than american politics
no they are fucking cancer
and worst of all, there is a complete disconnection with the people vote
european parliament is COMPLETELY useless, it has zero real functions, it's just a place that they can fill with morons getting free tax salary
european commission is ALMOST useless
all decisions are made by the eurogroup which is not even a formal entity and they are completely independent from people vote or willing
they are literally oligarchs
FUCK EU
FUCK ECB
FUCK IMF
FUCK BIS
FUCK YOUR CBDC
FUCK YOUR SDR
FUCK ALL YOU RETARDED MORON
BITCOIN IS GOING TO TAKE OVER

>> No.30189537

>>30189464
HEY YOU CAN'T DO THAT

>> No.30189601

>>30188751
Gold and silver standard would solve all of this
Destroy central banks, lock up central bankers for fraud, thievery and crimes against humanity

>> No.30189664

>>30189215
Lmao Cardano.
It’s surprising to me how much new money we have into crypto that cardano is getting pumped rn, at least XRP is shitting the bed so that’s a relief. 2017 refugees would never touch these two coins even if they’re the only crypto they could invest in.

>> No.30189674

>>30188751
this

let greece fail, invest in eastern poland instead

>> No.30189729

Why don’t more people just leave?
We left and aside from the EU stamping their feet pretty much nothing happened.
We even still have a trade deal

>> No.30189732

>>30188751
Stay the fuck home in 2 degrees weather instead of coming here and wasting your disposable income on booze, drugs, whores and clubs. We'll all thank you for it

>> No.30189739

>>30188751
>>30189056
>>30189122
>>30189280
>>30189298
>>30189327
>>30189420
you will eat ze bugs
you will own nothing and be happy
you will pay taxes to support welfare for one billion african immigrants (wef is promoting this)
you will be a mediocre wagie wagie, consooming product from china, inventing nothing
you will be the next generation pleb

>> No.30189745

>wake up in a dark basement
>look around ,see no one
>check pockets
>empty
fuck they got my senties

>> No.30189917
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30189917

Greece and Italia should be nuked, Africa starts at the southern Alps

pay denbt

>> No.30189958

>>30188751
Cuz Germoney keeps feeding them all.

>> No.30189999

>>30188751
>Implying they are holding you back
How do you think the rich countries are earning money? Do you think debt is free? Do you think countries like Spain Italy and Greece have to pay the same interest as Germany?

>> No.30190016

>>30189732
but your economy would crash even harder without tourism lol

>> No.30190041

>>30189420
The mind of a European is beyond retarded.
In macroeconomic terms the eurozone is the most fucked of major economies.
The US might be overrun with fuckwits but they can still invent shit and innovate new tech.
The chinks might have a birthrate small than your IQ but they can still copy US innovations.
Europe will have exactly 0 stake in the economy of the future. Once Germany's engineering sector is fully eroded (we're getting there already) Europe has absolutely nothing to compete with in the future.

>> No.30190042

>>30189729

You mean Brexit? If you really did some research you'd see as a country Brexit has fucked us over. Your day to day life might not have changed much "yet" but the damage done to the economy is pervasive and has fucked everything

Our exports have fallen off a cliff, an economy in this globalised world thrives on producing and exporting

>> No.30190100

>>30190041
I'd the EU goes to shit and gets poorer than india, I will move back to my country.

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>>30189298
Poortuguese here. Exactly the same, and the running joke is guessing how badly the European Covid relief will get embezzled.

Average people actually do work (wagecuck) hard, if not harder, than their northern counterparts, but socialism + financial illiteracy + corruption + getting cucked by EU will keep bankrupting us again and again

>> No.30190205

>>30190042
You can leave on your own terms, or be forced to leave after the eurozone crisis (which hasn't really stopped since 2008) reaches its logical conclusion. The UK would be leaving either way, you're crying about how much more damage the amputation of the arm causes in comparison to the necrosis of the hand. In the long run, you'll realise it was for the best.

>> No.30190263

LOL northern eurofags not recognizing the MASSIVE importance of the "lazy" south. You guys made of Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg fucking fiscal heavens and we would be the lazy fags? Europe was a scam all over (check the Lisboa deal, the so called "european Trait" not even a deal, none of the parts who signed could even remotely understand what they were signing) Europe let the Greece in, just so they could squeeze every single drop of sweat, tears and blood for their own interests. I hope Europe will crumble down, even knowing the price we gotta pay. Fucking Europe is a total scam.

>> No.30190326

>>30189485
I did not realize you are into halfbreed fatties.

>> No.30190370

>>30189674
>Let's stop investing in one corrupt shithole so we can invest in another corrupt shithole

>> No.30190388

>>30188751
taxation through inflation, they're just lucky that 99+% of govt bonds are denoted in euro instead of USD or some other shitcoin

>> No.30190406

>>30189999
Checked. And true.

>> No.30190457

>>30189999
Yo twat Italy gave away half of YOUR debt, when ur fucking Fuhrer painted the walls of his bunker with his brain. Otherwise Germany would still paying us. Also, ever heard of the impossibility for european countries to move more than 3% of the balance target? How Germany still does that and Italy doesn't? Get a rope Germany.

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>>30190263
>Europe let the Greece in, just so they could squeeze every single drop of sweat, tears and blood for their own interests
noooo the poor exploited southerino!!

>> No.30190481

>>30188797
Just like Jeroen Dijsselbloem said: "We shouldn't give them more money as they only spend it on booze and hookers."

>> No.30190484

>>30190042
>Our exports have fallen off a cliff, an economy in this globalised world thrives on producing and exporting
That's more to do with the chinky flu mate, our trade agreement for now is practically the same as before.

>> No.30190493

>>30190370
Poland hasn't had a recession since the early 2000's, has a low public debt to gdp ratio and its one of the fastest growing economies in Europe

>> No.30190531

>>30190326
i have been there a few times. the usa has both the worst ugliest fatties but also the peak manly hotties

>> No.30190537

>>30188751
When did you realise that the EU is a closed bubble which is sinking. No innovations come from the EU it's regulations and bureaucracy kills innovation. It's globalist in everything but trade. Another rich country will leave soon, my guess is france or germany or maybe hungary or poland because it doesn't want the mudslim tsunami hitting it.

>> No.30190547

>>30188751
The eu will cease to exist in the next few years......And thats a good thing

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>>30188751
Add countries like moldova serbia and ukraine so the eu budget black hole gets even bigger
t. romanian

>> No.30190652

>>30190197
I hear you guys have it even worse.
Over here the PM in power has a history of nepotism and generational systemic corruption dating back generations since Greece had a government.
I am out of the country itself but some family is still there. Best we can do is leave and let history run its course. Unless what I said happens, P.I.G.S. general population will get culled for their wageslave crumbs until the EU eventually crumbles but, by then, we'll already be overrun by immigrants.

>> No.30190693

>>30188751
Spanish here. We used to have a shit ton of money and jobs before joining the EU. You took all our industry and sent it to Germany/China. You can go fuck yourselves you fucking pedantic cucks

>> No.30190708

>>30190461
go check history books mate. The fault of the Greeks was believing the lies of Goldman Sacchs. They didn't had the requisite to enter Europe, still the bankers managed to doing miracolous shit with swaps and bullshit finance. When it crumbled the same bankers were there and bought everything. BEFORE Europe there were pensions scheme and hospitals working for FREE there. Now is all just a fucking desert. Goldman Sacchs was held responsible for that, and still, thanks to their army of lawyers walk away from that. check it, don't take my words for that. ALSO: Italy 3rd net contributor is a Lazy south, following the european narrative.

>> No.30190886

>>30190370
look where poland was 20 years ago and look where it is now, even the germans are starting to call it an economic miracle now

compare that to greece who has stagnated for almost two decades now

>> No.30190887

>>30190693
Spainiggers really be like that

>> No.30190915

>>30190484

Seriously? You are being disingenuous here

https://www.britishchambers.org.uk/news/2021/02/bcc-brexit-survey-half-of-uk-exporters-report-difficulties-adapting-to-changes-relating-to-eu-uk-goods-trade

“Increased documentation [means that we] need to use higher paid staff to complete shipping details. Loss of orders due to new duty/customs arrangements; time (and therefore money) spent resolving European customers enquiries; cost of implementing new shipping arrangements and delivery charges on our website. A small business like ours does not have the resources to deal with all the extra work.”

Do some research, here's some spoonfeeding to get you started

>> No.30190923

>>30190693
same in Italy, Same in Greece southerino pal. This guys first they robbed us, next they came telling "they are the problem!" fucking useless scammers with their globalization shit. Check Poland: Fascists af ok, but took money from europe, improved dramatically their situation, with the zloty are having the time of their life (cause u know, for u european 500 euro is an holiday, for them is a month of work or so) the scam was not necessary Europe, but most definitely was the EURO.

>> No.30191062

>>30190887
Astra, Seat and Hispano are just a few of many

>> No.30191069

>>30190915
>more paperwork
yes, that's it.
besides do you honestly think the EU is looking healthy at the moment?

>> No.30191115

>>30190915
Dude chill. Its not that bad. I havent noticed any difference and neither have 99% of the population. Oh no my German beer is now £0.5 more expensive. Oh no the 10k fish exporters to Europe are facing delays, oh no our economy is in total ruin now we left the EU with basically a FTA.

Youre forgetting the fact we are still trying to enter the TPP. In case of fact, the left wing and eurocentric media made Brexit out to be a fuckton worse than it actually is. Cry more Eurofag, EU is going down the shitter. More and more people want to leave. Theres a reason more people want to leave the EU in Italy than actually want to remain. France is nearly at 30% already. Cucked globalist union.

>> No.30191125

guys I'm ready today.

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>fee
>low volatility
>stubid investment and trading for whole day

only one thing saves my wallet - lp staking and yield farming on YVS Finance. Look at it if you don’t wanna risk

>> No.30191167

https://prnt.sc/10cvdys

>> No.30191261

Why are you all being dumb niggers?

The problem with shit holes like Greece was they ran up a shit tonne of debt when they joined the euro, as the the ameri-jews wanted to capitalise on the Greeks new found lender of last resort, the ECB.

Problem was ameri-jews were wrong and the ECB wasn't a lender of last resort so the Greedy Greek fucks got wrecked.

Stupid Greek kings shouldn't have taken out debt to jews

>> No.30191326

>>30191115

Dude chill, the EU is not that bad

>> No.30191332
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>>30190461
Look at the entry of Bulgaria and Romania. Auditors say "These guys are run by criminals". Commission says "Glorious EU project is unstoppable!".

>>30190708
Wasn't something like 90% of the Greek bailout money sent straight back to prop up Deutsche Bank anyway?

>> No.30191417

>Let's put all economies together
>Okay
>Let's accept shitholes with shit economies
>Okay
>Bubble explodes
>How could this happen?
EU in a nutshell. Go back to the pre-1973 EU.

>> No.30191463

>>30188751
Leave the EU. Just concentrate on your own business and economy.

>> No.30191517

>>30191332
Most if not all of the bailout money was, in theory, sent straight back. But Greek government is notorious for cooking the books (which they did during them trying to transition into the Euro with the help of Goldman Sachs).
I wouldn't believe half the stuff they've reported anyway.
Some notorious early 10s bailout money that was actually used by the government were allocated to 'defense budget against Turkey' which roughly translated to 3 million euros or so worth of old, malfunctioning submarines the Russians wanted to offload.

>> No.30191571

>>30188751
Disband your silly little club

>> No.30191665
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30191665

Didnt include Portugal. Nice :)

>> No.30191674

>>30190461
do brainlets still unironically post that image?

>> No.30191711

>implying that the Euro is any good for southern European economies.
The currency itself is what is cucking southern European economies. While Germany, France, etc. sell way more cars and industrial materials, southern European economies rely on "cheaper" industries. ie agricultural produce, non-specialized services, textiles, etc. The currency is far too expensive to be compatible with their economies and is its biggest hold-back.
Aside from this theres wayyy too many gib-mes. Too many people rely and thrive on government checks and have retarded ideologies to justify their misery and poor-choices.
There is a misconception of laziness. Those who work are very hard-working. But envy prevails from the useless fucks, that instead of seeing other's success and trying to do better - they just vote populist politics to bring others to their own shit-level (through taxes and arbitrary regulation) to justify their own mediocrity.

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>>30189298
>>30190197
Pastabro here, ditto.

>> No.30191734

>>30190923
Yeah we used to live so fucking comfy before this fuckers corrupted our politicians and media to join their EUR scam. They have bankrupted our countries with their retarded globo homo agenda and they have the balls to act surprised when we are going full fascist. Fuck this cunts

>> No.30191938

>>30191711
yeah but dont forget that countries like holland are tax heaven, so they siphon tax revenues from the poor countries.

>> No.30192060

>>30191938
em theres literally nothing wrong with competitiveness. Its in every country's capacity to make it attractive for companies to come with incentives. Blaming other countries for doing what suits them is retarded and is hard-core cope.
I have nothing but respect for NL. Their land offers nothing materially but the people have hussled so much for themselves. Its a role-model. Obviously its hard to replicate in bigger countries like Spain or Italy. But nothing stops Portugal from doing so.

>> No.30192106

>>30188751

No fucking idea. I reckon full blown fascism will be back in less than 10 years.

>> No.30192114

>>30190923
>>30191734
correct, EUR is a scam
go all in BTC and never look back
then watch eu socialist shitholes implode

>> No.30192199

>>30188751
>>30188751
>Why do we continue to allow poor southern EU countries like Spain, Italy and Greece to hold back the economies of northern EU countries? What can we do about this?
I see EU as a powerful force and vital asset to all EU states. You are suggesting fragmenting and reducing its size and population which would ultimately greatly weaken the EU and by extendion the Northern economies. However I seriously doubt you are actual from an EU state or if you are you are some pathetic wretch that sucks on Russian propaganda designed to try and incite EU or NATO breakup.

>> No.30192202

>>30192114

Oh you, thinking the EU is a failing bloc, even though it prints it's own worthless currency and can keep up the charade for years longer.

You're like my deluded friend who thinks fiat money will be gone in 5 years and BTC will hit $700K this cycle

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30192209

>>30188751
>Spain, Italy and Greece
They're doing their job well, which is to prevent *erman global domination

>> No.30192233

By Northern EU countries you mean New Turkey, Sweden V2 Muslim edition etc. ?

>> No.30192277

>>30192114
>>30192202
The EUR has quickly risen to be the second most dominant currency behind the dollar. It is backed by the vast economic strength of the EU states and is going nowhere. There are no socialist states in Europe.

>> No.30192310

Unironically Balkan and Southern Europe needs to be dominated by their Aryan masters. Being from the Balkans, you can't trust us with money for shit. If we get any money it literally gets laundered and disappears. Its like a black hole for money.
I welcome our Nordic masters.

>> No.30192317

>>30192202
If you want to see a failing currency go and look at the rouble. If you want to see a currency that will be in use in 50 years go and look at the USD and EUR

>> No.30192350

>>30188751
>Spain, Italy and Greece to hold back the economies of northern EU countries?
this is your brain on /pol/ economics. North EU countries can't compete in the international markets with China and the US due to their producs being cheaper. The only way they can sustain thier industries is through trade with the southern EU countries that consume their products. The Southern EU countries do much more than to "receive welfare" from the North. Its a trade that benefits the Northern part of the EU in the future and screws the ones in the south in the long run. Study economics you fucking retard.

>> No.30192359

>>30189917
Africa starts from Denmark.

>> No.30192402

>>30192359
Durrr Hurr you win the special medal from pol for maximum poltard spastic bullshit

>> No.30192415

>>30188751
>What can we do about this?
federalise

>> No.30192523

well u got the name europe from europi greece, so calma

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30192664

>>30190481
im greek and i kek'd so hard when i first read about it

that said, this 420-tranny should feel free to spend his money on his country's domestic products (drugs and red light district for instance)

>> No.30192770

>>30192402
the image from >>30192664 applies to you too Bjørn

>> No.30192805

>>30190481
based

>> No.30192849

>>30189464
There are already more nonwhites in London than natives. Cope.

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>>30192202
>You're like my deluded friend who thinks fiat money will be gone in 5 years and BTC will hit $700K this cycle
fiat is already gone from my bank accounts
i'm sitting all in btc since early 2017
multi-millionaire so i don't give a fuck if it stays at 50k or 200k or 700k, few millions more would not change my frugal lifestyle
anyway cbdc and digital sdr are both useless scams that they will use to anesthetize the population with stimmy checks and ubi, i'm not falling for their tricks, they can suck my dick
>>30192277
>There are no socialist states in Europe.
imagine believing this when you have states with 50/60% income tax + 20/25% vat + all the other hidden taxes all around

>> No.30192973

>>30190693
>>30190923
Spain, Italy and Greece are the biggest receivers of the gibs, you guys disgust me. Fuck corruption

>> No.30193085

>>30192973
The western world will die if all you nords care about is muh money.

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30193183

>>30192973
>supporter of a disgusting corrupted mafia oligarchy known as eu, esm, ecb, imf
>complain it's someone else fault
ngmi

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>>30188751
I'm shocked to the core, OP, I haven't seen a thread like this in a long time on /biz/.

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30193440

> what scandinavian / arian women are looking for because they are fed up with their metrosexual butthurt "males"

>> No.30193480

>>30192277
>>30192317

Yes, you replied to me twice to confirm what I said in my post. The Euro is going nowhere, despite a smear campaign by most to try and justify their mistake of voting for Brexit

Until my Nan is able to buy and trade crypto, Fiat is going nowhere

>> No.30193519

>>30192857
Yep, not socialism. With the never ending Murican disinformation though, one could be fooled.

>> No.30193568

>>30188751
>why do we southern countries allow to be robbed by and support scam northerncuck economies based on tax fraud and tulips like netherlands or rigged accounting books like deutschland?
fixed

>> No.30193628

>>30193183
Where did you get the idea that I support the eu? It's a complete scam and transfer of wealth mechanism

>> No.30193653

>>30188751
same reason why we allow niggers and muslims in our countries. we don't but they do it anyway

who cares anyway, in 50 year we're all paste

>> No.30193676

>>30193085
You would actually die if you politicians weren't pumping billions of life support money to you and your banking sector

>> No.30193728

ach hou je bek toch man

>> No.30193916
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The eu is actually comfy when you have an it job and can move easily to Switzerland or Germany. I'm exchanging my eurotickets for crypto and gold anyway
t. spaniard

>> No.30194071

>>30188751
Because the point of the EU is to destroy every European country.

>> No.30194169

>>30189485
You will never be a woman.

>> No.30194186

>>30192277
>There are no socialist states in Europe.
Is that why I have to give some criminals 40% of my income?

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30194194

>>30193519
>Yep, not socialism.
>IT'S NOT SOCIALISM, AHMED'S 7 KIDS ALL DESERVE TO GO TO SCHOOL FOR FREE

>> No.30194265

>>30191711
Except Italy is the second industrial power in Europe behind Germany. The problem is that the entire country is being categorized as homogenous whereas Northern Italy is based af and one of the richest regions in Europe (richer than most parts of France/Germany). If these regions were still part of Austria/Switzerland/France no one would be saying anything.
I agree though, the southern part of the country is a bunch of lazy fucks who are dragging everyone down.

>> No.30194297

What a shitty thread. Yikes.
I sure wish /pol/ just FUCKED RIGHT OFF already.

>> No.30194353

>>30188751
Because you're unironically cuckolds, Luigi is going swimming at the beach every day and dumb northern girls on holiday, looking for a fun experience, he lives off of NEETbux that some dane/swedish cuck pays for, gathers for dinner with his 20+ family and has a wonderful chill fun life.
That can't stop, northerners like being wageslaving cuckolds, it's in their blood, they're happy, just leave it like it is or send more free money.

>> No.30194362

leave them be and keep staking your ALEPHs. if you did you wouldn't be moaning about those lazy siesta-takers