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Lets say I have my 12 words private key but lost the specific order, how many tries will it take me to get the right order? what's the math for this?

>> No.30418371

>>30418178
2,400,000 tries

>> No.30418380

>>30418178
12!

>> No.30418400

>>30418178
144

>> No.30418407

>>30418380
Really? Only 12 tries? Cool

>> No.30418413

>>30418371
what's the formula?

>> No.30418434

>>30418413
12x12

>> No.30418484

>>30418178
whose wallet are you trying to break into?

>> No.30418486

69,420 tries

>> No.30418531

>>30418413
12! = 12 * 11 * 10 * 9 ... * 1 = 479 million

>> No.30418532

>>30418178
how the fuck does that happen? you have the key stored somewhere safe but managed to fuck up the order? but even in such a strange case, the worst it really takes is a bunch of guesses

>> No.30418542

>>30418413
(12+12)x100k

>> No.30418554

>>30418178
You only can try 3 times if miss you lose your coins forever, so you have 3 chances with 144 possibilities, be wise before trying anything.

>> No.30418603

>>30418554
>144 possibilities
It's 12+12, not 12*12, retard

>> No.30418626

>>30418434
how come
2x2
contradicts that formula?
for instance you have 2 words and have to fit in right order, you only have to make 2 guesses for instance

1. a
2. b
or
1. b
2. a

>> No.30418634

>>30418178
479..... million tries.

>> No.30418643
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30418643

>>30418554
this. you're fucked OP, if you give me the seed words I might be able to help you.

>> No.30418702

>>30418178
12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2

>> No.30418751

>>30418178
its 12 to the 12th power
so roughly 8,916,100,448,256
good luck

>> No.30418779

>>30418702
*1 God damn it

>> No.30418789

At least 3

>> No.30418802

>>30418603
Hope this is bait

>> No.30418831

>>30418634
Basically nothing in computer time

>> No.30418841
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30418841

These are called permutations

>> No.30418846

>>30418554
>>30418643
3 tries for a seed? huh? How?

>> No.30418849

>>30418751
No, it’s factorial. There are n! distinct arrangement of n distinct objects. OP is fucked.

>> No.30418863

>>30418751
2^2 is 4
but you only need to make 2 guesses?

>> No.30418889

gamma_function(12)

>> No.30418938

>>30418531
That's a lot of tries

>> No.30418945

someone tell me the exact formula is it
12^12
12*12
fuck is it

>> No.30418974

OP give me your disarranged seed, I create a script to try every combo, we split the amount in your wallet.

>> No.30419024

>>30418603
jesus christ you are a dumb

>> No.30419034

>>30418945
Bro, it’s 12!, that is the exact formula.

>> No.30419046

>>30418841
this is doable and even a health exercise OP. get going!

>> No.30419068

>>30418531

what is the exclamation mark, what's the math called for this?

stop troll what am i gonna do

>> No.30419082
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30419082

>>30418945
Here OP I do math for you
(You could also just save time and do (n!) but that's boring)

>> No.30419094

>>30418626
2! 2 * 1. = 2

3x3
ABC

1. ABC
2. ACB
3. BAC
4. BCA
5. CAB
6. CBA

3!
3*2*1 = 6

4x4
ABCD

1. ABCD
2. ABDC
3. ACBD
4. ACDB
5. ADBC
6. ADCB

7. BACD
8. BADC
9. BCAD
10. BCDA
11. BDAC
12. BDCA

13. CABD
14. CADB
15. CBAD
16. CBDA
17. CDAB
18. CDBA

19. DABC
20. DACB
21. DBAC
22. DBCA
23. DCAB
24. DCBA

4!
4*3*2*1 = 24

>> No.30419101

>>30419068
FACTORIAL jesus what country are you from

>> No.30419102

How do you mess up the specific order, did you write each word onto a flashcard and then shuffle them

>> No.30419113
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30419113

[email protected]
Contact me if you want to recover it, it will cost you of course

>> No.30419116

OP chances are you wrote them down in some order and forgot the order. But it's probably something easy like left to right and top to bottom. Just try all the obvious ones first and you will get it in 2 tries IMHO.

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30419140

>>30419068
what am i gonna do!

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>>30419082
>>30419068
Whoops I fucked up here

>> No.30419200

It's 12!

You have 12 choices for the first word, then 11 choices for the second word, then 10 choices for the third word etc. So it's 12x11x10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1

>> No.30419207

>>30418413
>>30418178
they weren't kidding about matt education, didn't they?
we were tought factorial in like 8th grade

>> No.30419233

>>30418178
>>30418413
>>30418626
>>30418863
>>30418945
>>30419068
YOU DESERVE TO LOSE EVERYTHING YOU FUCKING RETARD

>> No.30419260

>>30419140
oh hey, it's the wrong thumbnail issue.

>> No.30419273

>>30419260
I was tripping. What causes that?

>> No.30419276

>>30419113
no, contact me, the original [email protected]

>> No.30419288

so you wrote down the words in the wrong order? how did this happen?

>> No.30419369

>>30418178
holy shit the people in this thread who cannot do basic math is ridiculous, I pray you are all only pretending to be retarded

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30419389

>>30418178
>>30418407
The absolute state of burger education

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30419399

>>30418178
You didn't put in into a notebook or something?

>> No.30419405

>>30419288
>asking someone who's obviously retarded for his reasoning
don't be cruel anon

>> No.30419469

>>30418178
if you have the 12 words, you're alright. less than a day on a decent pc to crack it.

>> No.30419484

it would be faster to just get a software to bruteforce it for you otherwise it would take too long

>> No.30419523

479 million possible keys is easily doable, especially if you cache the lookups for the words, this can be calculated in under a few minutes

>> No.30419609

>>30419273
It happens when two files are posted within the same second on the same board iirc.
If you went looking, you could find the other file somewhere in a thread on this board that has the thumbnail from this image, but the file of the thumbnail you see now.

Happens more on the faster boards like /a/ when there's more files being posted, first time I've seen it on /biz/.

>> No.30419720

>>30418413
It’s 12!
12 factorial

>> No.30419735

>>30419609
That's pretty cool thanks for letting me know

>> No.30419905

>>30419523
Exactly, this is truly not that big a deal. It wont run in a few seconds or anything, but its not like it will take years either.
Someone probably already wrote software to do it...

>> No.30419934

>>30419609
interesting.

Something like this happened to me but I could never really give a good explanation. I shared a nude on /b/ from a skype mutual consensual masturbation session (no face just her ass). And the image that was upload was of some random anime girl. I have never saved anime images ever. Was the only genuine creepy thing that has happened to me on 4chan. This happen like 6-8 years ago, I still think about why this happened.

>> No.30419965

>>30419735
I got your back jack.

>> No.30419990

>>30419389
Not sure if serious. You can't be this braindead.

>> No.30420021

could someone write me a python script that prints all possible 479m possible outcomes in a textfile?

it should ask for my 12 words, then print all the possible orders.. how long would this take?

>> No.30420027

>>30419965
I found it lol but the thumbnail wasn't swapped maybe because its a gif.
>>30419141

>> No.30420031

>>30419140
Board gods were based with this one lmfao

>> No.30420144

>>30418178
12! Tries. A shitty computer can do that in a less than a day.

>> No.30420167

>>30420027
damn that's kinda cool. i've never seen that on /biz/ before. and when i've seen it on /pol/ i always thought it was some specific gif lmao

>> No.30420226

Explain to me immediately you nigger how the fuck you have the words but lose the order. You didn't write them down in the order you got them or what the fuck????

>> No.30420266

>>30418178
you're fucked

>> No.30420374

>>30418178
First year comp sci major here, OP. I could make a wicked factorial program that autogenerates all the permutations into a txt file. My fee is 10% (that's a percent symbol) of whatever is in the wallet.

>> No.30420382

>>30420021
gtfo pleb

>> No.30420395

>>30418178
12*11*10*...*1 = 479001600 tries

>> No.30420429

>>30420021
that's a big file

>> No.30420550

>>30420374
>(that's a percent symbol)
KEK

>> No.30420562

>>30420021
post the words and im sure an anon will help

>> No.30420575

>>30419389
You swallowed that bait.

>> No.30420640

>>30420374
Even if you did this, all the permutations would have to be manually entered

>> No.30420654

>>30420021
why would you need to have it in file?
if each word was 8 letters let's say the whole file would be around 50 GB

>> No.30420730

>>30420027
How interesting.
I'm not sure exactly why it happens.

>> No.30420761

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32491831/python-wordlist-permutation
here you have some word list permutations

>> No.30420853 [DELETED] 

there are 10 numbers 0-9
any 3 digit number consists of 3 numbers thats 10^3

there are 12 seed words
any 12 long seed phrase is 12^12 possible phrases 8.916.100.448.256

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30420963

72,9 times

12+12
1+2

== 27 (double = sign means its programmer language)

27*2.7
== 72,9

People that say a round number, are lying. You can never know how many tries because its random.
So it can be 79 or 80, hence the 0,9 , so more likely to be 80

Basic math actually, its called agribra

>> No.30420979

>>30418178
Didn't read the thread so someone probably already told you, but the formula is 12!
Or, in layman's terms, 12*11*10...*1
Or 479,001,600

>> No.30420990

>>30420853
digits can repeat, these words can't

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30421026

>>30419207
>they weren't kidding about matt education, didn't they

>> No.30421041

>>30420374
>(that's a percent symbol)
fuckin lel

>> No.30421048

>>30420429
for you

>> No.30422375

>>30418178
50/50

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30422832

>>30419068
>he doesnt know what a fucking factorial is

>> No.30423954

>>30418178
Why you stealing people's magic internet money bro. We all know that ain't your seed

>> No.30424100

>>30420021
https://github.com/K-C-DaCosta/permutation_generator

>> No.30424286

>>30418380
no need to yell

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30424441

>>30419164
based and reddit pilled

>> No.30425150

>>30420021
that will generate a massive file of multiple gigabytes.

>> No.30425336

>>30420021
Heres a small script in perl


sub permute {
my($str, $l, $r) = @_;
if($l == $r) {
print join(' ',@$str)."\n";
}
else {
for(my $i = $l; $i <= $r; $i++) {
my $temp = $str->[$l];
$str->[$l] = $str->[$i];
$str->[$i] = $temp;
permute($str, $l + 1, $r);
$temp = $str->[$l];
$str->[$l] = $str->[$i];
$str->[$i] = $temp;
}
}
}
my @arr = (
"OP",
"IS",
"A",
"FUCKING",
"FAGGOT",
"AND",
"LOVES",
"TO",
"SUCK",
"BIG",
"BLACK",
"COCKS",
);
permute(\@arr, 0, scalar(@arr) - 1);

>> No.30425783

>>30418938
Easily doable with a computer.

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