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Are successful people successful because they worked extremely hard? Or is it maybe because they were Born into wealth and opportunitues? What's your take?

>> No.50480096

>>50480065
I worked hard for what i have. it's a mixture. But silver spoon kids never make it.
You need trials and tribulations and adversity to grow as a person.

>> No.50480116

>>50480065
You can start at the top and be a fuck up.

You can start at the bottom and stay at the bottom.

Luck, hard work and adaptation.

>> No.50480173

>>50480065
all that matters is being at the right place at the right time + a little bit of luck. hard work is such a fucking meme

>> No.50480241

>>50480065
my most successful friend's entire career is nepotism everything down to getting every job he applied to and even getting a much higher salary. I mean he works hard, but seems like he's just trying to justify everything after the fact

>> No.50480260

>>50480241
to put in comparison I know some literal genius who got a perfect 4.0 in Engineering without studying or anything. He was born to a teenage mom and after graduating he immediately took a modest but stable career job and got married

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50480313

I’m becoming a fatalist as of late

>> No.50480340

>>50480065
I listen to a lot of podcast and at some point I started seeing a pattern where people who really shine in their field (not just financially, but really just are good at what they are doing) have a tendency to casually mention how much they love working or that they are "kind of a workaholic"

I think there is merit to applying your edge as often as you possibly can, and in most fields that translates to doing a lot of what you're good at and to get good you need to do something a lot.

so yes, I do think that hard work correlates with success, though this success might not necessarily translate to financial gains and there are of course physical limits to what you can accomplish in sports. but within the space of your limitations hard word will get you a lot closer to where you want to be.

>> No.50480387

There isn't a single answer, but obviously coming from nothing is harder than coming from something.

I resent my father for being a fucking loser and not having made anything of himself in the most prosperous period in American history. No money, no network, just multiple divorces and substance abuse.

>> No.50480412

as a rich kid who amounted to literally nothing, no.

>> No.50480414

>>50480065
it's mix of both not one way or the other

you use facts and logic to determine whether to credit success or blame failure on yourself or external factors, you do this honestly, avoiding the temptation to be a narcissist cunt and pretend your successes are 100% due to your own merits and your failures are 100% due to everyone else

this is about as far as this "debate" goes

>> No.50480417

Most people are so fucking lazy and selfish that if you have just a little bit of drive and a willingness to try to solve some problem for someone somewhere consistently and get better at it over time, you're already far ahead of 90% of the fucking retards and whiners acting like victims on the internet all day.

>> No.50480592

>>50480412
How did this happen? All you need is like $50k and a little bit of credit history to get the ball rolling for yourself.

>> No.50480624

>>50480096
>silver spoon kids never make it
t. rube

Most of the billionaires are the children of multimillionaires. Maybe even all.

>> No.50480658

>>50480260
A lot of the people I knew in school who had the best grades are now doing modest jobs. Meanwhile I got mediocre grades but taught myself programming, went to uni and got hired by having an impressive portfolio. I'm now earning 3x some of them, I guess they don't value money that highly.

>> No.50480720

>>50480065
Combo. Being able to learn, see opportunities, take opportunities, keep growing, learning, applying what you've learned, and have luck with meeting people or being in an environment you can thrive in.

Born Rich people can fail more without risk and have higher odds of someone giving them a how to manual on what to do. Other people need to figure it out through trial and error. Self-made people tend to be higher IQ.

Easier to take over daddy's business with all the foundation laid out and connections than starting from scratch with none of that.

>> No.50480736

>>50480065
It's a mixture, the biggest advantage you can have in lofe is opportunity and networking, vasically being at the right place at the right timz, meeting the right people, all of these are handed out to you without much work when you're born in a rich family, but you have to prove yourself when you're not.

Once the ball gets rolling things keep getting better without much work unelss you take big risks.

Look at steve jobs, what the fuck did he know about computer hardware? Nothing, he was a drug addict that wasted his parents money who paid him to go to school and instead decided to go in the middle of nowhere in India or whatever doing pseudo spiritual bs, most of his early success were due to:
>his parents were willing to throw money at him even if he wasn't doing the right thing with it, so he didn't really struggle like many other students
>he met extremely famous people in the computer engineering field who boosted his career
>he met bill gates

Then he maintained the momentum by actually working hard.

>> No.50481355

>>50480065
It's not simply effort. There are many people who have all the luck, all the effort but they fail to learn from their mistakes and course correct and ultimately fail.
It's a combo of everything: luck, talent, hard work (big part of it), persistence, learning from mistakes, mental discipline (a huge one), patience, decision making.

>> No.50481409

It's a mixture of health, likability, hard work and being flexible enough to seize upon opportunities.

I think being likable is underrated and is just as important as hard work. I've known absolute clowns stick around in companies because they're sort of jesters.

>> No.50481731

>>50480065
>successful
You are all but a mortal. You will die. All your wealth. Obsolete.

>> No.50481805

acording to my experience: hard work, luck and relations

>> No.50481960

>>50480173
>right place at the right time
This is one of the most important things. That goes for meeting the right people too that aren't just going to screw you around. Motivation and competence is important too. You could have the best idea in the world though and if you live in a slum in India or something it's highly unlikely you're going to make anything of it. Even if you're motivated it only takes a few bad decisions to set you back considerably

>> No.50482004

>>50481731
I'm waiting on SENS life extension medicine. Shouldn't be too much further away

>> No.50482104

>>50482004
I don't have much faith in anything except God.

>> No.50482325

>>50480658
Funny, I'm the same as you.
Gonna start my own family soon, but unsure how to raise my child to not be an autist who just wants to computer all day.

>> No.50482599

>>50482004
Why.

>> No.50483638

>>50482325
Just take them to stuff like sports and hobbies where they can meet other kids. Then if they still end up as autistic NEETs it's their own choice.