/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.51277251]

Is this a good financial investment?

[Anonymous No.51277262]

>>51277251
if you live in a college town and can park it near campus, yes. Otherwise no

[Anonymous No.51277306]

>>51277251
fuck pizza you wanna know the next big food truck thing?

>nuggets
but not just any old nuggets, you offer variety of meats & spices. and give it to the bitches in a wicker basket

bitches love wicker baskets

[Anonymous No.51277342]

>>51277306
i like this idea

anyways it all depends on the laws and regulations and zoning in your area. you know you can't just set it up wherever, the are usually only a few licensed locations in the city that you're allowed to set up at and the competition can be fierce. it could cost a million dollars just to roll a hotdog cart into a designated location. it could be pizza isn't cleared by the red tape and you're only allowed hotdogs unless at designated festivals or whatever the fuck the arbitary rules are

[Anonymous No.51277368]

>>51277262
I figure it's better than a brick and mortar, and I currently run a booth at the farmers markets selling produce and want to expand. This would give me the opportunity to turn extra tomaters into a higher margin product, and I could just show up to high foot traffic things when I want (big events, catering, farmers markets, etc).

>>51277306
I was thinking I'd have a simple menu of pizza and maybe wings, so sort of along the same lines. I love pizza and wings.

[Anonymous No.51277370]

>>51277251
>$27k
LMAOOO

[Anonymous No.51277381]

is there any freedom where you live? or do you live in a nanny state like ontario where small business is crushed by bureaucrat control freaks who live to create petty rules for bullshit reasons just to justify their lust for domination

>but we need rules
yes yes, but in moderation

[Anonymous No.51277387]

>>51277251
At an average cost of $8 a pizza, you would need to sell 3,437.5 pizzas to break even. This excludes other costs. That would equate to just under 10 pizzas a day. Very profitable if you did it for a few years I would say. (Note: you also boost sales with fries and soda).

[Anonymous No.51277415]

>>51277342
>anyways it all depends on the laws and regulations and zoning in your area.
My state (OR) has special laws for these types of units, not food trucks but mobile food units as in trailers, booths etc. They even use mobile pizza ovens as an example in it, so I think it'll work. It requires the food prep to be done in a licensed commercial ktichen though of course, and just made on the spot. So I'd be prepping dough and such in a commissary kitchen. Ideally though eventually I'd build my own at my house.

Of course before plopping down cash I'd contact the state and such as much as necessary to be 100% sure.

[Anonymous No.51277435]

>>51277370
Yeah I'd probably build my own, that price is insane. But I like the look of that one over pic rel style. IDK fully enclosed looks a lot more professional to me and easier to manage.

[Anonymous No.51277478]

i tried to make a post about pizza and wings being available anywhere but i got spam blocked on that for some reason. you can get it on any street corner, hundreds and hundreds of pizza and wing places in every city. at one point does it become oversaturated? probably not. i'd want to do something unique but then playing it safe and just giving the people yet another option for pizza and wings is probably the safe bet.

[Anonymous No.51277499]

Like restaurants, only about 20% of food trucks are actually profitable, either you're a good businessman/chef or you offer something truely unique. Pizza dough also requires a lot of water, so you'll be carrying tanks of water around or you're preparing your dough at home.

>>51277435
Don't worry about looking professional, it's food truck pizza. Smaller trailers are easier to drive with, you'll need a truck/van for tables, tent, coolers.

[Anonymous No.51277502]

>>51277387
I was thinking I could DIY and bring the cost down to around $10-20k, but I'm not anywhere near actually spec'ing out a build yet. I have a friend of a friend who owns one of these but is too fat and unhealthy to use it, so for the first year I was planning on renting his out as a pilot project.

But yeah, I think I could sell at least 100 pizzas a week during spring-summer. I figure sell for around $12 and profit $8 or so. It seems like it could be very profitable, and easy to hire out for so I could focus on watching anime. Plus, I could work when I want since I wouldn't be paying rent.

[Anonymous No.51277518]

>>51277415
yeah sounds cool. i'd like to do this as well but i already know the rules and nonsense where i live will do its best to prevent me from ever doing anything. can't have the peasants going wild and opening up food carts all over the place, it would be chaos!

[Anonymous No.51277538]

>>51277502
> I think I could sell at least 100 pizzas a week during spring-summer.

And what are you basing that on? You have 0 experience

[Anonymous No.51277553]

>>51277478
>hundreds and hundreds of pizza and wing places in every city. at one point does it become oversaturated? probably not. i'd want to do something unique but then playing it safe and just giving the people yet another option for pizza and wings is probably the safe bet.
In my area, there's surprisingly few of these type of joints, and I've never seen a single one at a farmers market, which is weird because pizza is such an agreeable food. I was also thinking about pic rel, since it's so easy and high margin. Just fry dough and add the syrups. But I don't like sweets so much, and the pizza let's me put some of my own produce to use.

[Anonymous No.51277599]

>>51277538
>And what are you basing that on? You have 0 experience
I have experience selling stuff at markets (produce, baked goods) and watching what others sell and how much traffic they get. Hot food vendors KILL it. 5 markets (or other events) a week, 20 pizzas per market is entirely reasonable, and bad days can be supplemented with catering events and the like, or working extra markets / double days.

>>51277518
Yeah my state is fortunately one of the most favorable toward small farmers and food businesses. I'd rather be in a different industry, since food is competitive, but it was easy to get into as a poorfag.

[Anonymous No.51277606]

>>51277502
There's a lot of ways you can do it, pizza is one example. Coffee is even better.. I know a guy who has a van and the back of it is kitted out with coffee machines (espresso type).. He drives the van around to busy areas and even peoples work places and just sells coffee and snacks, makes very good money. He's now got two vans.

[Anonymous No.51277629]

>>51277342
thanks

[Anonymous No.51277660]

>>51277599
So not pizza basically

[Anonymous No.51277683]

>>51277251
>mobile food trailer
Maybe check your local laws or get an attorney consultation (generally free)
$27.5k is no joke
>inb4 poor
Pot calling the kettle nigger

[Anonymous No.51277704]

>>51277499
>Like restaurants, only about 20% of food trucks are actually profitable, either you're a good businessman/chef or you offer something truely unique.
Pizza is one of the most profitable, and all the markets I've been to, with the exception of one, have no pizza options, and no artisanal pizza nearby. I have two edges I think will help be profitable, and that's that I will be growing my own tomatoes, peppers, basil and mushrooms as much as possible, and that I have an industrial beer/kombucha/tea maker so I can make my own teas and kombucha in house (provided I can clear the red tape), and beverages are famous for being high margin to begin with.

That said, I plan on renting the trailer the first year to try out the idea with minimal risk.

>Don't worry about looking professional, it's food truck pizza. Smaller trailers are easier to drive with, you'll need a truck/van for tables, tent, coolers.
Well cool, cuz that's what I'll be starting with if/when I rent the friends trailer.

[Anonymous No.51277711]

>>51277306
call it the "Nuggers Truck" plz

[Anonymous No.51277737]

>>51277704
>artisanal pizza
>anal
You may have found a good niche to tap there. Get a nice arse fucking with every pizza.

[Anonymous No.51277756]

>>51277704
Make sure you ask the guy why he’s selling his trailer. He probably won’t answer your question truthfully but he likely has the same idea that didn’t pan out, hence why he has to sell the trailer

[Anonymous No.51277763]

>>51277660
Yeah no experience in selling pizza directly, but what's your point? I feel I can estimate how it'd sell accurately enough for this purpose.

>>51277606
Nice, yeah I was rolling over a few options like the donut cart paired with coffee too. But the pizza idea sits best with me, and I think works best with everything else I can offer (that being local produce and in-house beverages).

>>51277683
>Maybe check your local laws or get an attorney consultation (generally free)
I will for sure, I'll be renting a friends setup if/when I do this for the first year.

[Anonymous No.51277777]

>>51277756
>didn't pan out
lol nice one

[Anonymous No.51277795]

>>51277756
This guys on the east coast, totally opposite of me but I was thinking about asking anyway. I'm not looking to buy his, but would certainly do tons of questioning before spending serious money.

>>51277737
kek

[Anonymous No.51277841]

>>51277777
Checked

[Anonymous No.51277888]

>>51277763
>I have no experience making pizza and selling it
>I am going to drop 27k on towing a trailer, and even more money on permits and strain on my vehicles engine to sell pizza

Think about it

[Anonymous No.51277895]

>>51277763
I do like the pizza idea if I'm honest, also a stonebaked pizza cooked fresh is really good, million times better than goyslop outlets. Also pizza is versatile so you could cater for anyone's requirements quite easily.

[Anonymous No.51277906]

>>51277711
i am not sure my upmarket clients will appreciate that name sir

[Anonymous No.51277914]

>>51277841
>Cum id
kek this thread

[Anonymous No.51277986]

see this is why you lot will never ever revolt. They break your legs, you will compete with each other to be first to market with little rolling carts and call your brother a commie faggot for complaining about a government that just broke his legs.
I don't know what to call it, but it's clear to me they completely social engineered you to just take everything. Think of all the potential without jews
>wake the fuck up people you're looking at a street vendor cart

[Anonymous No.51278001]

>>51277895
>a stonebaked pizza cooked fresh is really good, million times better than goyslop outlets
Yeah I agree, love a good 'za. Sounds hard to make a $100k a year with something like this though. Operating for 39 weeks / year (fair weather farmers market season) as a baseline for good foot traffic, I'd need to make $100k/39 = $2564/wk, working 5 days a week that's $512/day, or roughly 50 pizzas a day.

That's an average of one pizza being ordered every 5 minutes at a 4-hour farmers market. Not impossible and I could always do catering or double location days, but still. Hopefully I can lower the number of pizzas required to hit $100k/year by decreasing input costs and selling beverages and other stuff.

[Anonymous No.51278026]

>>51277251
yea, sure. if you work hard.

[Anonymous No.51278062]

>>51278026
I think if I can pull of the kombucha thing it could work. Pizza, wings and kombucha seems like it could sell, and I could try and eventually get the kombucha into retail stores for income that's not dependent on me being present near foot traffic. worth a shot i suppose

[Anonymous No.51278142]

>>51278001
Well it's good to see you are at least looking at it from the right perspective, there's really a lot you need to consider. The scaling of the business would probably critical in this case, if you can get two up and running and an established brand then you've already made that $100k twice as doable. Up front capital is then the question.
I'd really see how the trial goes first, you might end up hating the work.

[Anonymous No.51278155]

>>51278001
>>51278142
Also that 100k is more like 50-60k net (guestimate)

[Anonymous No.51278219]

>>51278142
>I'd really see how the trial goes first, you might end up hating the work.
Yeah for sure, and yeah the scale would be what I'm after ultimately. I just want to build something I can hire out positions for (preferably offering equity to employees so they have a reason to give a shit) but still net myself $100k annually, on average.

>>51278155
Yeah the math was based on netting $10/pizza which is probably unrealistic, but I don't think a farmers market pizza for $14 is excessive. But after insurance, booth fees, gross expenses etc it'll add up for sure. You're right that I'll likely need two units to hit the numbers I want, but I think it's certainly a possibility if I were to put in the work for a few years. Plus if I could build the kombucha brand simultaneously, that'd be a double bagger.

[Anonymous No.51278269]

>>51277251
Problem with a pizza food truck is how fast you can cook them and how many at once. If you're at a festival or event and you have 20 people in line (not unreasonable), how quickly can people expect to get their food? They may just give up and go to a different truck. Something to keep in mind. Maybe supplement the menu with hot sandwiches like paninis or subs if you can?

[Anonymous No.51278484]

>>51278269
A properly temped oven can pump out a pizza in 90-120 seconds, and the prep time (spreading dough, sauce, adding toppings) doesn't take too long. Wings are simple to make as well, just toss them in there and sauce 'em up afterward. I think there's merits in keeping the menu as logistically simple as possible to start, but yeah a lot of similar restaurants do sandwhiches and pastas too. You can basically throw anything you want in the oven, so there'd be a lot of room for specials (e.g, oysters, potatoes, mac n cheese, etc).

[Anonymous No.51278548]

In Humboldt there is a brick fired pizza setup where they tow the oven by truck and set up tents and tables in front of it. 3 man crew, order taker, pizza maker, oven nigger, then the orderer turns around and expedites

[Anonymous No.51278587]

The other day I went to a festival and some guy had a cigar truck. He had a constant line of boomers buying cigars and a designated smoking area for them to chit chat as the wife and kids go on rides and shit. Never seen that before. I think that is a good idea

[Anonymous No.51278618]

>>51278484
Not as bad as I was expecting, then. Yeah, then theres definitely a lot of ways to fill out a menu in your truck. Though, like you said, you've never done this before. Chefs make it look easy on tv but there's so many moving parts. Especially if you get to a point where you're taking orders, prepping pizzas, and cooking (while making sure they don't get burned) all out once. Is there any way you can do a few trial runs, like a big family gathering or some really small events?

Actually, someone on my street got a burrito truck to come for a block party a few years back. Everyone loved it. That's a venue no one thinks about. And the guys running the truck made a killing and asked if they could do this again the year after. Maybe when you get comfortable with it, you advertise on NextDoor or whatever wine-mom social media that you could cater a block party?

Either way, I hear food truck guys make a killing if they get it down right. Good luck, anon

[Anonymous No.51278772]

>>51278618
>Is there any way you can do a few trial runs, like a big family gathering or some really small events?
Yep! I live in a small town and there's a puny weekly market here that's great for doing test runs. I know most the people that come too, so it's super friendly and they don't mind me making a total fool of myself. And I'm sure they'd love a good pizza since there's not really a good joint in my town (there's a phony italian place that charges $30 for pizza but they don't even make their own dough and it's not wood fired and overall shitty and boring). My gf's also a food service genius and great at being a fast food robot so she'll no doubt be helping me practice in the driveway for awhile if this happens.

>I hear food truck guys make a killing if they get it down right. Good luck, anon
I hope so! The math checks out but everyone is so negative around any business involving food. Seems like it's a great way to buy a pretty chill lifestyle if you like making pizza. Thanks for the good wishes anon, I definitely have some financial catching up to do for my age so I'm trying to grind really hard with scalable income sources.

>>51278548
Yeah that would really eat into profits.. I'm hoping I can do it with just me and the gf initially.

[Anonymous No.51278887]

>>51278772
Holy shit, anon's gonna make it...

[Anonymous No.51278898]

>>51277888
I can vouch that you don't need experience doing this. just hire a trained ex-pizza restaurant chef for testing purposes who can make the dough for you. after this do it yourself or train others.

>t. my family had a pizza joint and I was the delivery boy for a summer.

[Anonymous No.51278961]

>>51277888
I'm not dropping 27k on that trailer, it was just an image similar to what I had in mind as an end goal. What I'm doing right now is planning on renting a much simpler trailer for next season as a pilot project to test the waters and determine what the revenue looks like. If it works out, I'll likely piece together my own trailer for much cheaper, but wouldn't be opposed to buying a pre-made version if the price:revenue is right.

[Anonymous No.51278974]

>>51278961
test it out, don't let the naysayers stop you.

[Anonymous No.51279144]

>>51278974
Will do anon, I'm pretty excited for it. I have no idea what kombucha tastes like lol but it'd be cool if that worked out too.

>>51278887
Thank you anon I'm trying. I've learned a lot in running a small farm, prior to this I was way too focused on meme-y uber-scalable businesses, when in reality there was tons of very simple money right below my nose in essentially non-scalable local businesses that just rely on foot-traffic. I do still hope to do some scalable SaaS or something but in the meantime I'm learning a lot.

[Anonymous No.51279190]

>>51277251
you also need a truck to pull it

[Anonymous No.51281326]

>>51277306
I want to make duck-fil-a
It's like chick fil a but with duck products

[Anonymous No.51281343]

>>51281326
Oh also $17 for a #1 classic duck-fil-a sandwich combo meal
Ducks expensive bitches

[Anonymous No.51281384]

>>51277251
>>51277262
in my small city usually bars will let food trucks park in their lot/patio to sell food

[Anonymous No.51281443]

>>51277711
nuggers in a baskit

[Anonymous No.51281493]

>>51277251
buy OONI pizza oven for $500. it will be easyer and better to use than a traditional wood oven and produce the same results

[Anonymous No.51281529]

>>51278001
dude who the fuck would want to work this much for $100k

[Anonymous No.51281542]

>>51277777
Checked.
>>51277841
eLo BJ Cum ID Checked.
>What does it all mean?
>What is my ID going to be!?!?

[Anonymous No.51281570]

>>51279144
$600 ooni koda 16 oven
$50 for a popane tank if you don't already have one
$50 foldable table if you dont already have one.

put cheese in a cooler with ice. bring cans of crushed tomatos for sauce no need to even keep them cold.
pre make the dough and bring it

set up shop at your local flea market

[Anonymous No.51281632]

didnt read any of the other comments really.
but you need a truck to pull it.
gas and extra gas for the generator(s).
research the license(s) needed first. (health, food, parking, etc).
youre gonna need to park near a high density area within the city. offices, colleges, clubs, etc.
expect to get robbed. a lot.
expect to get harassed. a lot.
if it doesnt have a oil fryer, get one.
get a good grasp on taxes. many areas require a tax on made foods on top of sales tax.
expect to get in physical fights with other vendors over spaces.
expect to work at least 10-12 hours a day on top of whatever time you spend on prepping and closing.

[Anonymous No.51281639]

>>51277704
kombucha is tricky becuase to sell it leagally you have make sure to remove the alcohol.

sell it low key under the table in growlers

[Anonymous No.51281710]

>>51277387
>That would equate to just under 10 pizzas a day. Very profitable

And you'd have to sell really shitty pizza to sell that low daily

[Anonymous No.51282118]

>>51277306
this is literally a multi-million dollar idea. Just start a food truck/fast food restaurant that only does nuggets and fries. You could seriously cut down on costs that way, just like how In-N-Out stays cheap by having a very limited menu

[Anonymous No.51282268]

>>51277986
>even though it has existed for thousands of years, society is fake so don't try to improve your station
Diogenes is interesting, Anon, but living like he did isn't for everyone. More power to you if you can hack it, but buying a pizza trailer to make money even in a recession is way more interesting than living in a rain barrel in the town square.

[Anonymous No.51282433]

>>51279144
Good luck anon.
not sure why people are so negative, sounds like a simple enough business. Not much you could fuck up, who doesn't like pizza.

One idea I had for you is going to industrial areas during workdays. Blue collar guys love pizza and there aren't that many fast-food choices near industrial parks, you can easily sell 5-10 pizzas in a couple of hours. They also give decent tips if they become regular customers.

[Anonymous No.51282457]

>>51277262
>yes
27k ffs

[Anonymous No.51283079]

>>51282268
I have a vapid retard client who made an email called kingmidas, so I made him order through an email called diogenes LMAO

[Anonymous No.51283178]

>>51281529
You can hire out the positions, you stone brained goyim. Try to operate on abstraction level above rocks please.

>>51281570
yeah I know it can be cheap, that's the point. low overhead and entry barrier but unbounded gains.

>>51281632
>didnt read any of the other comments really.
>but you need a truck to pull it.
>gas and extra gas for the generator(s).
I already need a truck and jenny, I'm leveraging the fact I'll have these by next spring to start this.

>if it doesnt have a oil fryer, get one.
no oil frier needed, wood oven for everything.

>expect to get in physical fights with other vendors over spaces.
I'm ready

>>51281639
There are ways to measure alcohol cheaply, see https://rarecombinations.com/product/..

>>51282268
Yeah, if diogenes were alive today he'd be a scammer like Epstein or entrepreneur. Today collecting welfare isn't contrarian, but gaming the system is. Honestly he's kinda overrrated though, just the first based guy historically recorded but didn't contribute much beyond contrarianism.

[Anonymous No.51283203]

>>51277251
Depends what you cook in it. Pizza largely isn't too profitable to do competitively.

[Jealous No.51283208]

it cup fu yet?

[Anonymous No.51283211]

diogenes would probably just be some sort of ted kacyinski x amish hybrid if he were born today i guess

[Anonymous No.51283403]

>>51277306
Wicker baskets are expensive.

[Anonymous No.51283424]

Do a food truck but sell rice and beans

[Anonymous No.51283558]

>>51283203
Pizza is one of the most profitable foods though?

[Anonymous No.51283681]

>>51283558
Not in small scale food trucks, competition is dedicated chains (you won't be expected to compete on price, but few will buy a pizza twice as expensive as dominos). Other things can be made in the oven though, like elephants ears or gozleme.

[Anonymous No.51283748]

>>51277262
Another option is partnering with a brewery etc., seen lots of food trucks do that, makes sense since that business has no license to sell food

[Anonymous No.51283759]

>>51283681
>Not in small scale food trucks, competition is dedicated chains (you won't be expected to compete on price, but few will buy a pizza twice as expensive as dominos). Other things can be made in the oven though, like elephants ears or gozleme.
I think you're overlooking the 'artisinal' factor that people are willing to pay for. This isn't something that scales well, but it's definately enough to make a normally non-competitive idea work favorably.

You're also forgetting that a Napoleon style wood fired pizza != Dominoes goyslop. You'd only be paying a small markup for a considerably better pizza. There's no 'corporate' or anything to pay with such a small chain, and ingredients can be grown locally for maximal supply chain efficiency.

[Anonymous No.51283782]

>>51283681
Basically you're comparing apples to oysters, and also exaggerating the price discrepancy. A standard fast food pizza is ~$10-12, I'd be charging around the same for something artisanal. I can do this because my business structure and overhead would be extremely simplified (2-3 person business, no brick and mortar, nearly free inputs, etc)

[Anonymous No.51283822]

>>51283759
The artisanal factor only takes you so far, people do certainly pay for it the problem is achieving volume (you don't want left over ingredients, even non perishables it's best to keep at a reasonable level as it's space and capital that's tied up). It's also why you see so many of those mobile pizza ovens for sale second hand as sadly people do accept goyslop if it's larger and/or significantly cheaper (something those chains can always achieve). There's definitely better things to make in those that don't have dedicated markets already and appeal to the same artisanal crowd you'd have gotten from pizza as well as the wider audience who don't realize that gozleme is effectively similar to pizza but won't make the association of value to the goyslop.

[Anonymous No.51283864]

Food carts are a terrible business idea. Where is your plan for growth? Tons of competition, little profit, lots of work. Why, just why? It's such a normie business idea. Just drop it. You'd probably do better selling Italian ice or ice cream from a bicycle.

[Anonymous No.51284003]

>>51283864
>>51283822
I agree its a normie business idea and put it off until now because of that, but I've realized how well these normie ideas actually work in practice in areas like mine with minimal competition.

If the artisinal factor is enough to make me $100k / year net after hiring out labor, I dont really care about anything else. It doesnt need to be an enterprise.

I go to 3-5 different markets monthly and not one has a pizza oven type thing, and only 1 has artisinal pizza in the area at all. In essence it doesnt have to be a great idea or one that could compete in NYC, if it works for me locally it, well it just werks. And i think it will.

[Anonymous No.51284025]

>>51284003
>If the artisanal factor is enough to make me $100k / year net after hiring out labor,
prepare to be disappointed, but if there's little to no competition I'd say go for it.

[Anonymous No.51284040]

Basically, theres a guy that sells fresh fried donuts at my markets and just slays it. Its a total normie idea and cheap start up cost but hes out there making money and banging his MILF wife cuz he's a chad and doesnt care. He found a market niche to fill and did it. Doesnt need to be the next uber bros.

After the equipment costs your overhead is limited to ingredient cost. As long as you stick around high foot traffic areas you're g2g. As described I farm and thats as caveman teir and normie as it gets and I've been blown away with how successful it is. The money is out there.

[Anonymous No.51284058]

>>51284025
Yeah thats what it comes down to is lack of conpetition, and was why I started the farm I run currently. Given a lack of competition and enough foot traffic, I think it can happen.