STEM is fucking garbage now

[Anonymous No.54307439]

STEM grads struggle to make 6 figures in an era where a basic $100,000 salary isn’t enough to own a home that’s actually for sale.

Using aggregators like levels.fyi you can also see that the vast majority of “high paying” jobs are in places like LA, Seattle, or Austin, which are so expensive that your high paying job actually puts you middle of the pack.

STEM isn’t even good anymore.

[Anonymous No.54307463]

>$110,000 isn't enough
lol
lmao even

[Anonymous No.54307491]

>>54307463
>provides no value to the thread
lol, lmao actually

[Anonymous No.54307501]

>>54307463
it's not. that's $60k in 2018 dollars

[Anonymous No.54307511]

>>54307463
It’s not possible to make $110,000 in STEM outside of a few metro areas where the median house price is 800k+.

Got a STEM degree and live in the Midwest? It takes a decade of experience for a paltry $80,000 salary. STEM is complete fucking garbage in 2023.

[Anonymous No.54307525]

I love this board
You fuckers are so out of touch with reality it's hysterical

[Anonymous No.54307528]

>>54307439
>$100,000 salary isn’t enough to own a home that’s actually for sale.
Houses are affordable, but I don't listen to opinions of city cucks
>but muh heckin dogpark!
>muh barcade!
>EXPOSED BRICK WALLS.

[Anonymous No.54307565]

>>54307528
You can’t make six figures with a STEM degree in a place with cheap housing, you’ll always be paid proportionally to shelter costs in the area. See >>54307511

I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. There’s cheap houses everywhere, but the jobs the people around there have are low paying and if you move there you’ll also have a low paying job.

[Anonymous No.54307578]

>mechanical engineering
No shit

[Anonymous No.54307616]

>>54307439
>whaaaa the dirty capitalists are paying shitty salaries to engineers and are actively trying to destroy the middle class whaaaa
Yes, they are. Start your own company, faggot.

[Anonymous No.54308593]

Then rent and gain years for a remote job and into digital nomad?

[Anonymous No.54308655]

STEM has always been garbage for money, even before hyperinflation. It wasn't poorfag territory like it is now, but the problem has always been that anyone intelligent enough to do STEM work is intelligent enough to make way more money with a business or various other activities. And you can run your own business founded on STEM related activities (consulting agency, engineering firm, etc.) and still do what you're interested in.

[Anonymous No.54308658]

>>54307439
>Aameerrrrriicaaaaa country numba one

[Anonymous No.54309323]

>>54307511
Even the government does this, its called locality pay.

[Anonymous No.54309694]

>>54307511
LOL

You can make well over 6 figures if you pick the right engineering path.

Don't go to work as a structural engineer for a shitty company that makes prefab metal buildings. If you do you'll start at 60k and max out at 80.

[Anonymous No.54309714]

>>54307501
Things costed less in 2018. What’s your point?

[Anonymous No.54309733]

>>54307511
It's possible. live in Midwest, Indiana. Made $110k last year as a mechanical engineer with 5 yrs experience and my PE license. Amd there are definitely higher performers at my company than my lazy ass.

[Anonymous No.54309898]

>>54307463

You may be able to pull off a basic middle class life on 100k, if nothing ever goes wrong and you have no life.

[Anonymous No.54309939]

>>54307439
>get job making fat stacks in high COL
>negotiate full remote on employment contract
>move to ultra low COL rural area after getting job
Oopsie teehee! I accidentally won the game

[Anonymous No.54309958]

>>54309898
>high class dining
>motherfucking Chipotle

[Anonymous No.54310018]

>>54307491
>implying this thread is valuable in any way

[Anonymous No.54310070]

>>54309898
It's true, $100k is barely middle class nowadays

[Anonymous No.54310080]

>>54307439
>Mechanical Engineer
>110K salary
What grade A Jewish lie is this?

[Anonymous No.54310087]

>>54307439
Assuming you don't have kids, that's quite affordable to get a house. Save up 100k over 5 years (20k a year is nothing if you're single making 100k a year, I save like 40k with my 110k salary), 20% down payment, boom.

[Anonymous No.54310351]

>>54310087

> assuming you don't have kids

Right, that's the whole point - assuming you have kids, no life, and exist to work, you can even buy a $400,000 house to pay off in 30 years (of not having kids or a life).

Furthermore, keep in mind that a working class neighborhood house (by working class, I mean WORKING class) 20 mins away from the highway, 40 years old, etc is now over $250,000. $400,000 is a 50 year old house with no repairs (but nothing obviously wrong with it) in a good neighborhood 40 minutes away from downtown in a flyover state.

Again, this is the definition of barely middle class as >>54310070 said.

[Anonymous No.54311216]

I got a BS in environmental science. I was 17 when I chose my field of study and I didn’t think about money other than “it’s stem, I’ll be fine.” I now work in IT and make 63. I work two jobs to pay off debt and save for a second degree. I know lots of people with similar degrees, some with student debt, who went out and got jobs around 40k.

[Anonymous No.54312978]

>>54310080
If you work in tech like E.V. Batteries in a city like Austin or LA it’s definitely possible. But save yourself the trouble and switch to software engineering

[Anonymous No.54313024]

>>54308655
This is the most true statement about STEM money. You join STEM for a love of creation, not a love of money.

[Anonymous No.54313166]

>>54307511
When burgeroids say $100k do you mean take home or pre tax? Cause yeah, $100k pre tax in cali or east coast doesn't sound great

[Anonymous No.54313187]

>>54307528
>>EXPOSED BRICK WALLS.
exposed brick walls suck and just waste electricity, i don't understand why people like them so much it makes the room so unbelievably cold during winter i'm getting mine insulated God-willing

[Anonymous No.54313242]

>>54313166
For comparison, I'm a java code monkey with 5 years of experience and I take home about $65k, living and working in Poland. You can buy a house on the outskirts of a major city for more or less $200k.

[Anonymous No.54313266]

>>54310018
I lmao'd at every one of your comments in succession, each the next a more pronounced chuckle.

[Anonymous No.54313299]

>>54307511
I did philosophy as an undergrad and work building data models for a fortune 200 company as a business intelligence developer programming dax and shit because analytical philosophy beats CS at understanding logic imo, fuckem.

[Anonymous No.54313305]

>>54307511
I'm also making 126k a year doing it.

[Anonymous No.54313362]

>>54307511
So just work for 5 years in one of those places with the cheapest rent you can find them move to a low cost area and get a remote job

[Anonymous No.54313397]

>>54307511
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

110k aint gonna do what it used to but u got some learnin to do son

[Anonymous No.54313549]

>>54309898
This underestimates your taxes by like ~7k FYI

[Anonymous No.54313593]

>>54307439
>tfw above 90th percentile
kek get fucked CADcucks
t. mechatronics chad

[Anonymous No.54313645]

>>54307439
Try not living in a garbage city. Im in white suburbs and houses here are only like 200k-250k on average and condos are even cheaper.

[Anonymous No.54313657]

>>54313645
Yeah and the median income there is $37,000.

[Anonymous No.54313702]

>>54313657
actually 70k here :^)

[Anonymous No.54313792]

>>54307501

[Anonymous No.54314629]

>Using aggregators like levels.fyi
a dumb shitstain of a website used by lying third world street shitters shitting up the american job market

[Anonymous No.54314646]

>>54307439
>waaahhh, I want to buy a house in a SINGLE Paycheck

[Anonymous No.54314752]

I don't know if any amount of money is worth selling your soul. I have a friend who works at Nvidia in Silicon Valley and she's making great money. She's younger than me and pulling in probably $200k+. She's literally like 22. But here's the thing. She lives in Silicon Valley. Pull that place up on Google Maps. I think you're always trading away something for the money, and in this case, it's your soul.

[Anonymous No.54315173]

>>54313593
>mechatronics
>having a job
?

[Anonymous No.54315266]

>>54307439
$100k is enough for a townhouse in most affluent low-crime suburbs. Wage for ten years, invest, and you'll have enough for a house. Still sucks but blame boomers for nimbyism and banning new constructions.

[Anonymous No.54315303]

>>54309898
>taxes
Should be closer to $25k.
>rent in the ghetto
18k/yr is not the ghetto in basically any part of the country. That's middle-class apartment housing in California. But it's about right.
>health insurance
If you're making $100k/yr, you already have health insurance. Reduce to $0.
>car payment
kek. Buy a used sedan you dumbfuck. Maybe $1k/yr in repairs and registration if you're unlucky.
>gas tank - 1/week
Buy a sedan you moron. Reduce to $1k.
>car insurance
Yeah if you put 0 down on some shitty beemer. Reduce to 500.
>groceries
I eat meat daily and pay closer to $2.5k/yr.
>high class dining
Faggot
>10k to 401k
Not necessary but if your employer doubles then it's a net gain, retard.
>remainder
Now you're at about $45k/yr.

[Anonymous No.54315315]

>>54309898
>>54315303
Holy shit I just realized you want to finance a fucking Hyundai Elantra hahahaha

[Anonymous No.54315340]

>>54307439
I earn $150K as a research engineer in defense in LA and my black kween wife earns $250K as a DEI liaison at a tech company. We also earn about $75K a year from rental income from the units we own in Boston.

We can hardly afford to own our houses in Palos Verdes. I don't know how much longer the system can sustain itself.

[Anonymous No.54315352]

>>54309898
You can cut your grocery bills in half by eating four Costco hot dogs every day instead of cooking for yourself.

[Anonymous No.54315365]

>>54307463
*sip*

[Anonymous No.54315389]

>>54309898
>You may be able to pull off a basic middle class life on 100k, if nothing ever goes wrong and you have no life.
>puts 10% of his salary towards his retirement
>has nearly 30k in funny money left over to save, invest, or do whatever the fuck with
This is a bait post, I know it, but if you genuinely look at this budget and decide that it's unlivable, you should probably just die.

[Anonymous No.54315555]

>>54307439
Is that really median comp? What about the 60k ME guy who used to make threads?

[Anonymous No.54315573]

>>54313166
It's always pre-tax. Your take home, especially with WFH, is going to be affected by local/state/federal taxes, dependents, retirement contributions, etc. Maybe in Europe it's different somehow, but pre-tax is the only reasonable way to compare compensation in the US.

[Anonymous No.54315576]

What's a fun field to get into that pays at least aight?

I'm done with software eng after this role. I'll be 30 and worth $800k.

[Anonymous No.54315585]

Nigga I’m not even a STEM major and I bought a house. Stop living where houses cost so much. I live in bumfuck but I can afford a lot where I live. I make nowhere near 100k btw

[Anonymous No.54315596]

>>54315576
Truck driving

[Anonymous No.54315612]

>>54315596
>Truck driving
I think I would sooner train as a pilot, although I smoke weed so either career has some friction
Why truck > plane?

[Anonymous No.54315618]

>>54315576
>>54315596
Truckers are independent contractors and have to pay out the ass for everything.
Becoming a lot lizard would be better.

[Anonymous No.54315632]

what else pays more though? nothing. the mega-rich are just squeezing everyone down so people who used to have a good life now have to struggle too.

[Anonymous No.54316446]

>>54307439
and they have over 400k in debts to pay of with an interest rate of 6/7%, I am telling you we are living under feudalism with some theatre.

[Anonymous No.54316505]

>>54307511
Supply and demand
There are more stem degree holders than jobs because everyone fell for the stem bubble. China is already past that, with the government discouraging students from going to university and instead go learn a trade

[Anonymous No.54316520]

>>54315173
kek you must not know what mechatronics is because you're a brainlet
it's ME + EE + coding, i.e. robotics

[Anonymous No.54316535]

>>54315340
based oil driller richfag

[Anonymous No.54316702]

>>54316520
>only knows a little bit of everything
>no defined niche

[Anonymous No.54316727]

>>54316702
>he thinks robotics isn't a defined niche
wow we've got a real genius here

[Anonymous No.54316741]

>>54307439
I make net 20k a year as a blockchain dev (first job), you americans have no idea how good you have it.

[Anonymous No.54316749]

I took the remotepill. I get an inflated salary from a company based in a fucking expensive coastal city, enough to make me a 1%er in my flyover ZIP code. But it's less than they would pay me if I lived in the city the office is in so they're happy to save money and I'm happy to be rich for my area and get ahead. They pay to fly me out a few times a year so I can have fun in the big city on their dime every few months but I still live in a nice big house on a few acres in my white town and get to fuck around most of the work day.

[Anonymous No.54316856]

>>54316749
>I took the remotepill. I get an inflated salary from a company based in a fucking expensive coastal city, enough to make me a 1%er in my flyover ZIP code.
I took my 230k remote tech TC over to Philippines lol
I also fuck around most of the time