ENGINEERING HAS OFFICIALLY DIED IN THE US

[Anonymous No.54497734]

No wage growth in 15 fucking years lmfao

[Anonymous No.54497739]

>>54497734
>this thread again

[Anonymous No.54498513]

I just drive trucks, pay for nothing, want to buy my gpas house from my family and fix it up. So I will invest in 3 cryptos too. Have an EE degree. Don't feel like using it. Can technically make more than eng fags just because I can stay with parents or over the road. Not paying rent or exorbitant mortgage is like a 60 percent bonus. Can wait for the market to tank too to buy real estate later. But yeah engineering is basically dead except for cutting edge science bros. Everything has already been invented. Duh.

[Anonymous No.54498535]

>>54497734
Isn't 58k absolute shit tier pay in the US considering the outrageous student loans you burgers have to pay? Why would anyone study engineering?

[Anonymous No.54498547]

Get a degree, even the shittier ones, or be doomed to a fate of drug overdose.

[Anonymous No.54499269]

>>54497734
Can confirm.
I did EE and the salaries are a joke. My degree was supposed to make me firmly middle class but I feel like I am being squeezed down into lower class.
Retail, service, and gig economy jobs are reporting hourly wages that are encroaching upon what I make, but they have the advantage of A) not having to move to a big metro HCOL area for work like I have to and B) not being saddled with tens of thousands in student loan debt.
I feel like an idiot for studying engineering. I would literally be wealthier if I had just started working at McDonald's right out of high school. Their wages keep going up, mine remain the same.

[Anonymous No.54499274]

>>54498535
>Why would anyone study engineering?
15 years ago it was considered a ticket to the middle class. If you could get through the curriculum you were guaranteed to be well-off. I guess that advice is outdated now.

[Anonymous No.54499368]

>>54499269
How many companies hire electrical engineers? I think you should've gotten a degree which give you transferable skills. I guess you can still pivot by doing your masters.

[Anonymous No.54499405]

>>54499368
A lot of them do. Are you illiterate? The problem isn't finding employment, the problem is the compensation.

[Anonymous No.54499767]

>>54499405
Compensation is based on how much leverage you have. In case you havent figured that out, you deserve your 5 figure hell like all other retarded npc monkeys. Transferable skills is the name of the game. Get hikes on every hop.

[Anonymous No.54499949]

>>54499767
You're simply assuming a free market for some reason. These companies aren't in competition with each other. They collude to wage fix and really they're all on government contracts anyways.

[Anonymous No.54500031]

I studied structural engineering and got a PhD. The work is pretty interesting and can be very satisfying (I design bridges, mostly). Plebs that scrape through university and don’t continue to learn and develop get left in the dust. I work with plenty of dumb faggots who probably aren’t even smart enough to be nurses.

My salary is at the 86th percentile, age 32.

I should be firmly upper middle class but I feel barely lower middle. I would recommend engineering as an interesting career but not one to get rich from.

[Anonymous No.54500239]

>>54500031
Who the fuck builds bridges in the West anymore bro? Have you seen our crumbling infrastructure? The newest construction is at least 30 years old. Most bridges, so I am told, cost a billion dollars so not only is it too expensive to consider building a new one, but we don't even like to paint the old ones because the paint is too expensive too. We just like to watch the low-carbon steel rust on the existing bridges. So why design bridges when we have many plans for bridges that work fine already? Like, with 320 million Americans we will have what... five new bridges built this year, most of them using existing plans? How many other engineering professors do you think will be competing for that exciting prospect, to be the exhaulted one to review the existing bridge plans made back in 1920? You might as well have studied horse and buggy technology for ten years of your life bro. It's unironically over bro, you are looking at the next ten years with severe global depression. Who the fuck needs or wants a bridge designer? I am disappointed for you. The whole thing is just sad but you need to face the facts. You could have learned an in-demand skill but you chose something with no demand now and for easily the next decade. If I were you I'd learn to fish because you'll probably need the cheap and easy calories, on account of the lack of demand for your skillset.

[Anonymous No.54500855]

>>54499767
This. These threads are full of neets anyways.
>BS Comp Eng from state
>~180k gross
>>54500031
>PhD in bridges
Why tho

[Anonymous No.54500933]

At least Americans get employed. Here in Europe you can get an msc in engineering, from a mediocre 100-400 rated uni and end up jobless forever

[Anonymous No.54501492]

>>54498535
Yeah, and I make less with a college degree.

[Anonymous No.54501645]

>>54499269
Can't EE pivot into software and fintech easily? Sometimes I wish I studied something more vigorous so I could larp as a big brain.
t. IT degree
I find it amusing that I smoked weed and fucked around and ultimately went into software and my sister has a masters in Civil Engineering and OP pic related is completely accurate.
A lot of people just have a huge aversion to doing anything too nerdy, even if they are already studying for a math degree, and it costs them.

[Anonymous No.54502835]

>>54497734
It's funny seeing the losers of engineering complain in these threads. Yes there are shitty jobs for $50k, no you don't have to take them. Made $80k out of college in 2020 and now make $115k. Florida.

[Anonymous No.54503140]

>>54500031
This is just about accurate. I have a M.S. in Civil/Environmental and it does feel like the big consultants are in a race to push the salaries down, especially for new graduates. There have been paltry increases at my organization for everyone, given general complaints from all staff levels.

Engineering was always a pathway to security but it's definitely sliding. Medical staff that aren't M.D.s are sliding too. It's scary that the professional roles that society trusts with our safety are being disincentivized. The dominoe effect will kick in once these roles lose about 30% of their staff.

>t. 68k in the Midwest, major environmental consultant.

[Anonymous No.54504310]

>>54497734
there is literally no point in stem other than cs

[Anonymous No.54504342]

>>54497739
whats with the anti-engineering psyops on this board?

[Anonymous No.54504365]

>>54500933
that's just because yuropooria is poor anon.

[Anonymous No.54504367]

>>54504342
It's the chinks trying to dismantle the West.

[Anonymous No.54504408]

>>54504342
t. engie making less than 6 figs

[Anonymous No.54504428]

>>54504408
correct. but does not answer my question

[Anonymous No.54504449]

>>54497734
>software developers make so much money it's weird!!! here are statistics I pulled from software, displayed using graphs I made using software, uploaded to software and transmitted using software to software powered displays

Meanwhile my sister in law wonders why there's no money in redesigning the local city's sewer system for the thousandth time

[Anonymous No.54504461]

>>54504449
Kek this

[Anonymous No.54504474]

>>54504408
i make 100k and my stable engineering job will only grow in demand as boomers retire. You swe fags will be competing against 50% of every kid going to college for the foreseeable future. Not even mentioning the millions of indians who will do your job remotely for $5 an hour

[Anonymous No.54504477]

>>54501645
Yes, for example a company like riskbot which uses FPGAs to handle finance risk would shit out money for him. Or crypto mining companies are always starved for EEs and pay top dollar. Idk if this is the previous poster's situation, but I think of my friend who is making poverty wages at E-Ink, but won't apply to jobs that pay 4x as much at Ledger and similar because "cryptocurrency seems shaky".

[Anonymous No.54504512]

>>54504474
yea yeah and you forgot chat gpt etc etc

[Anonymous No.54504567]

>engineering is dead
Please keep believing this so I have zero competition
t. 300k total comp software engineer

[Anonymous No.54504579]

>>54504567
you will never be a real engineer

[Anonymous No.54504586]

>>54497734
>No wage growth in 15 fucking years lmfao
No growth? Ask the government how much money are they taking off engineering from taxes ;-)

[Anonymous No.54504613]

>>54504342
I assume mostly engineers wanting less competition to be honest.

[Anonymous No.54504648]

>>54497734
Starting salary in the 90s was 60k. No salary growth in 40 years.

[Anonymous No.54504700]

>>54504567
Weird yankee habit of calling a programmer an "engineer". Your knowledge of thermodynamics and mechanical force is likely near zero.

[Anonymous No.54504745]

>>54504579
And thank fuck for that.

[Anonymous No.54504755]

>>54504700
My job title is senior software engineer.
>Engineer: a person who designs, builds, or maintains engines, machines, or public works.
I design, build, and maintain the software used by my company.

[Anonymous No.54504761]

>>54499767
>>54500855
>ackshrually you’re wrong because we got lucky

[Anonymous No.54504775]

>>54504755
What software is that?

[Anonymous No.54504785]

>>54504775
Backend ML software for business uses.

[Anonymous No.54504789]

>>54504512
oh yeah let me see
>hey chatgpt can you go to the factory floor and scope out the newly proposed machine layout and then work with electricians to verify the plc diagram is accurate. After that call up the vendors and arrange a meeting to discuss their new software capabilities and see if we can integrate it somehow within our budget. Now go help the 90 iq mechanics who are troubleshooting why we had downtime last night after a mechanical issue. Go open up the CAD models and improve upon the design in a reasonable way depending on which parts we can easily source

codecels who spend half their day on google are in for an awakening

[Anonymous No.54504807]

>>54497739
it’s the same schizo neetoid

[Anonymous No.54504856]

>>54504474
>>54504700
I did a comp eng degree, and there was no end of this cope. 80% of my class did software tech work anyway. Engineering is dead here because we don't make anything anymore.

[Anonymous No.54504858]

>>54504755
Its still a weird Anglo habit. No other language uses engineer to describe a programmer.

[Anonymous No.54504864]

just go into finance. I literally outjew the jews and basically sit around doing nothing all day.

make 80k a year basically doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.54504867]

>>54504342
there's one or two incredibly asshurt engineers venting their lifelong frustrations out on this board

[Anonymous No.54504872]

>>54504858
It fits the definition. It's not weird if anglos use our language to describe things that fit the definition of those words.

[Anonymous No.54504875]

>>54497734
I quit my mechanical engineering job working on infrastructure to work in the gig economy. I make 30% more now as a contractor running stage lighting. It's fucked.

[Anonymous No.54504891]

>>54504867
At least two, OP and me. And yeah, I'm asshurt about it. I won't deny it. Maybe it's a skill issue, but I think I was sold a bill of goods.

[Anonymous No.54504898]

>>54504856
>we don't make anything anymore

silicon and pharma. Maybe vertical farming if it stops being a meme. Automation in general will probably continue growing, even if manufacturing doesn't

[Anonymous No.54504906]

>>54504891
shouldve majored in finance, I can barely do math beyond exponentiation and make six figures gambling client money on stocks behind a veneer of legitimacy

[Anonymous No.54504936]

>>54504898
>silicon
>in NA
Show me the US Antimony mines for semiconductor doping. Where are the chip foundries? Oh Joe is building them!! Only after we all realize its a problem. Meanwhile TSMC has had 45 years of national support to build and iterate on chip production.

[Anonymous No.54504953]

>>54504906
If I had it to do over I would do some kind of cyber security focused CS. Glad you're comfy though, I hope you're able to make your bag easy. I don't think I am personable enough to make it in finance. My cousin did finance and he keeps bugging me to open an account at his wealth management firm. I keep telling him I have no real assets to manage.

[Anonymous No.54504965]

Burgers are too soft for factory work so nobody wants to reshore.

[Anonymous No.54504974]

>>54504936
Picrel, but full disclosure I think their mine is in Mexico, not the US. They're also a pretty small money company.

[Anonymous No.54505004]

>>54504965
They're going to Mexico and India.

[Anonymous No.54505025]

>>54504936
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

dam i guess we lose because the bugs are ahead of us. We only have a couple in the backwoods hillbilly state of texas and our poor country can't just print billions into it. No no what we need are more codemonkeys

[Anonymous No.54505048]

>>54504789
>WHY ARE THERE SO FEW WOMEN IN STEM!?!?!?!?!?
>what does IQ have to do with it?
>This is so problematic

[Anonymous No.54505057]

>>54504700
>Your knowledge of thermodynamics and mechanical force is likely near zero.
Our time was the 20th Century, anon. Our skills and knowledge aren't valuable anymore, for some reason.

[Anonymous No.54505074]

>>54504789
>Philosophy higher IQ than engineering
Well, that hurts my pride.

[Anonymous No.54505393]

>>54504872
No it doesn’t

[Anonymous No.54505411]

>>54505393
Care to back to that claim? Let me guess, you're ESL but you're confident that you understand anyway.

[Anonymous No.54505451]

>>54504789
>I apologize, but as an AI language model, I am unable to physically perform the tasks you have mentioned as I do not have access to your factory floor or the necessary equipment. However, I can offer guidance and provide suggestions on how to approach these tasks if you provide me with more specific information and details.

[Anonymous No.54505511]

>CS becoming filled up as jeets and bootcamp zombies overrun it
>IT is low pay high stress version with the same problems as CS
>engineering is a meme
>healthcare is a soon to pop bubble unless you want to spend 1/4 of your life in med school or wipe old peoples ass
>every other STEM degree will have you working with the govt for 50k
>every non STEM degree won’t even get you a job
>trades will have you breaking your back for years to get less than what most STEM start with
>AI is slowly revving up to replace half of these
What the fuck is even left at this point?

[Anonymous No.54505541]

>>54505511
>>CS becoming filled up as jeets and bootcamp zombies overrun it
Only an issue in web dev. Just stay clear and it's fine.

[Anonymous No.54506209]

>>54504761
Sucks to suck anon, I don't know any EE making under 90k around here, if they do they're the retards in quality.

[Anonymous No.54506317]

>>54505511
Healthcare isn't in a bubble. You'll get a solid $20 an hour starting with any two-year hospital certification. That isn't set to change anytime soon as all hospitals are chronically understaffed.

You generally have four options in the United States. Military, government, hospital, or slave. If you live in a large urban area, mega-cap corporations & non-profits might constitute a viable fifth option.

[Anonymous No.54506401]

>>54501645
Yes, EE -> software is the comfiest path. You get to feel smug and have excellent all around engineering expertise, math, physics and computer science skills, then it's just a matter of grinding out software frameworks / languages while trying to remember math

[Anonymous No.54506485]

>>54504342
>psyops
eng is pretty much hell, there is no deception involved at all
everyone learns this brutal reality 2-3 years out of school

[Anonymous No.54506760]

>graduated with a meme degree in Urban Planning
>engineering dad paid for my college
>work as land surveyor for engineering company
>make 23 an hour with overtime
>paid for my GIS certificate
Should I try to join my local union? Or attempt to get my license? I live at home and have around 100k in savings. Sometimes I am glad I was too much of a brainlet to do hard STEM shit seeing everyone struggling to get good jobs

[Anonymous No.54506850]

>>54497734
>Congratulations on graduating top of the class in your Engineering program, we're really happy to have such an impressive talent on board.
>Anyway, this will be your work space. We tried to clean up a bit for you.

[Anonymous No.54506861]

>>54500239
>Who the fuck needs or wants a bridge designer?

China or India I suppose

[Anonymous No.54506865]

>>54498547
>5/100,000 vs 147/100,000

meanwhile bachelor degree has much higher chance of breeding with a nonwhite and producing inferior children

[Anonymous No.54506922]

>>54505074
Philosophy is kinda funny. Lots of women take up philosophy majors but few ever complete it. I only ever took a few classes but I remember my Ethics class was around 50% women and the majority of them dropped it within a few weeks. They got confused when the class started with Plato and not the trolley dilemma or chatting about racism.

[Anonymous No.54506953]

>>54504700
Staff software engineer here. My degree is a double major of mech eng and robotics. It is true that the money is better and the work easier in software, I do not need to cope that it's only a real job if I get to go to a machine shop or something.

[Anonymous No.54507741]

>>54506953
Worked at a machine shop for my last EE job, it was alright, the pay is pretty shit because machine shop though. They will have pizza day a few times a year to make up for it :)

[Anonymous No.54507760]

>>54497734
>>54499269
Reminder that if you want to make it as an engineer, you have to actually make something. Get a patent on designing something that would actually make a difference and either sell out the patent for a few million or start a business with it.
t. my dads worked for the big three in Detroit and ive watched him spend the last 20 years making minor tweaks on cars while his coworkers are slowly being replaced by pajeets who sing a 5 year contract for half the salary and take it all back to India where that money actually means something

[Anonymous No.54507778]

>>54506317
I get paid $19 an hour as a lifeguard who took a 3 day course at a private pool how is $20 for nursing good

[Anonymous No.54508109]

>>54499767
this
t. ME degree who actually makes money
>>54499949
If your comp is low then your "skills" aren't in demand, simple as. Either learn better skills or stay poor.

[Anonymous No.54508130]

>>54498547
Can we also infer people who an hero don't prioritize education?

>>54497734
Honestly what engineer who was worth anything remained at the entry level salary? Ivan, its getting too obvious

[Anonymous No.54508137]

>>54497734
That's why you get a physics degree and take a software or financial cuck's job

[Anonymous No.54508155]

>>54507778
nursing pay scales with experience and being a lifeguard does not?

I know it seems unfair..

[Anonymous No.54508201]

>>54500239
kek
civcucks utterly btfo

[Anonymous No.54508658]

>start doing niche tradework at 19 for 15/hr
>now 25, 40/hr base and on track to make ~116k after taxes with only 50 hour weeks
>Job security is basically as long as the company owner is alive
>work on things most people dont even dream of (recently DoD stuff)
>really only shit part is that I'm constantly travelling
Dropped out of school after 2 years to support my family. Now I'm making more than the engineers whose mistakes I correct.
Every time I think about even going part time back it just seems pointless for how little I'd get paid with an EE.

[Anonymous No.54508826]

>>54508658
Tell us more about the niche work and DoD stuff

[Anonymous No.54508861]

>>54508826
Cant really talk about the DoD stuff, because of NDAs and itd be pretty easy to find out who I am.
A lot of my early niche stuff was in low voltage and broadcast. Testing out studios and stadiums in depth and some install/repair work. Once you set yourself apart from the drooling retards in the trades, clients like having you around and companies don't want to see you leave for greener pastures.

[Anonymous No.54508945]

>>54508861
Im an EE in maintenance and i can relate. We have 2 or 3 star tradesmen out of maybe 100 guys. Ive been trying to create a product related to my field, power distribution - medium voltage but seems like its less innovation avaliable as opposed to low voltage or RF like your experience suggests

[Anonymous No.54509126]

>>54508945
Yeah, low voltage and RF seems to be getting less and less understood by tradesman as time goes on. So, its pretty easy to look like an expert by even understanding the basics of it.
if you can properly terminate a BNC, then you are already in the top 5% of installers. Triax/SMPTE? you're basically a space shuttle mechanic to people.
You can make bank by just going to stadiums and using a scope to show shit their F-connectors are in their QAM system. half the time they just have splitters feeding splitters.