how huge is luck in part of success?

[Anonymous No.54696033]

[Anonymous No.54696085]

>>54696033
Luck determines where you start.
A good looking person will always get positive affirmation. A rich person will always be able to take more risks. A jew will always be able to use their tribe to get into positions of power.

You can improve your stats, but you may never reach a high level while others are born into it or closer to it. Which is why I think it's important to be honest with yourself and the world around you figure out what you really want from life and how to get it.

[Anonymous No.54696494]

>>54696033
was reading about a real scientific study they made (using maths and whatnot) and basically it was 80/20 for luck

[Anonymous No.54696510]

100% luck
anything else is cope

[Anonymous No.54696524]

>>54696033
Everything is predetermined

[Anonymous No.54696995]

>>54696494
Sounds about right

[Anonymous No.54697001]

Obviously some of both. You don't even have the chance to get it lucky and hit it big in terms of success if you don't put in the grind and effort, though.

[Anonymous No.54697012]

>>54696033
0.1% (accounting for the outliers)
Only people with no success will tell you it is important. Losers. As I like to call them. Losers find all kinda of excuses. They never take ownership of their losses. It's always an external force. And what do you know. This mystical 'luck' just so happens to fit the bill.

[Anonymous No.54697019]

At least 65% is predetermined. The rest is up to us.

[Anonymous No.54697035]

>>54696494
Ah yes, luck, that famously quantifiable, falsifiable factor

[Anonymous No.54697056]

>>54696033
The strength of your willpower and willingness to work hard are based on your personality which is a combination of genetics and environment, so all of it is luck.

[Anonymous No.54697060]

>>54696524
this. God decided everything from the moment of creation.

[Anonymous No.54697064]

>>54697012
Success is well-known to be immoral, Shlomo. Read the Gospels and embrace Christ.

[Anonymous No.54697076]

>>54696033
if you view yourself as an atomized indiviual, then yes its all luck. but if you view yourself as one part of a chain then its not. i have friends whos parentspaid for half their house, but i had to pay for my education myself. so these feinds were one life time ahead of my because I will basically be providing my children the opportunity my friends have

[Anonymous No.54697083]

>>54697076
That's still all luck ultimately.

[Anonymous No.54697085]

>>54696033
its very much based on luck but the harder you work the more lotto tickets u have. every time u put in work u buy an additional lotto ticket

now the guy with 1 lotto ticket will seethe when the hard working and intelligent guy who has 10,000 lotto tickets win, he will call him lucky and say that the game is unfair. which it is to some extent, but if u dont apply urself u have only urself to blame.

[Anonymous No.54697087]

>>54697064
>A gracious woman retaineth honour: and strong men retain riches.
>The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh.
>The wicked worketh a deceitful work: but to him that soweth righteousness shall be a sure reward.
>As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death.
>They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight.

[Anonymous No.54697095]

>>54696524
that is not the christian view because God changed his mind countless times in the bible

[Anonymous No.54697131]

>>54697087
>Shlomo is asked to read the Gospels
> instead he rattles off a proverb from his Tanakh that he doesn't understand
wew

[Anonymous No.54697143]

>other people exist

[Anonymous No.54697152]

>>54697131
You're obviously some jdif shill here to be a cunt. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.54697168]

>>54697152

[Anonymous No.54697219]

>>54697168
https://youtu.be/0RUN9BzW1lQ

Denounce the talmud

[Anonymous No.54697239]

>>54696033
The first four are not luck. They are the result of your parents and forbears will. They didn't breed with retards or genetic failures and raised their children to succeed in a good country they built.

[Anonymous No.54697326]

>>54697219
>Denounce the talmud
Says the slimy Shlomo who reject Christ and values money above all.

[Anonymous No.54697391]

>>54696033
https://youtu.be/sY8lYexr72U

It's okay to be a loser anon, don't be obsessed over being a successful jew. Buy some WOJAK btw.

[Anonymous No.54697562]

>>54697326
>He refused
Do it jdif shill.

[Anonymous No.54697647]

>>54696510
This. This is legitimately the only correct answer. There is nothing that happens in your control, everything that happens is butterfly effect of an infinite number of things which happened beforehand that you had absolutely zero say in or awareness of. Choice is an illusion, at the very core of it you don’t get to choose your genetics or upbringing which lead to the brain chemistry that causes the reactions to your external environment you have. These things happening to you were always going to happen. There were no “could have, should have”, there was only the exact course of events which were always destined to play out as they did.

And if you don’t realize this, it’s because you are not a deep thinker.

[Anonymous No.54697690]

>>54697647
If you believe that nothing is under your control you believe that you have no agency over outcomes, and if you have no agency over any outcome how can you ever improve at anything? Anyone who believes luck is everything believes that they have no control and no agency. They are and will forever be losers, regardless of their material wealth.

[Anonymous No.54697702]

>>54697690
>And if you don’t realize this, it’s because you are not a deep thinker.
You are not a deep thinker

[Anonymous No.54697711]

>>54697702
>determinism is le deep thinking
youre probably under 18 and you shouldnt be here

[Anonymous No.54697717]

>>54697711
You are not a deep thinker. Tell that drivel you posted to a child with a genetic disease. You are not a deep thinker

[Anonymous No.54697730]

>>54696033
Anon, you aren't just an ego floating in the ether getting randomly assigned a body. Your body is an integral and eternal part of your soul. Your parents chose to have you, sacrificed for you, and their parents and their parents's parents did the same. You are a link in a great chain stretching back to the dawn of humanity. What will you make of this?

[Anonymous No.54697735]

>>54697717
If you were born poor, with a genetic disease, with low IQ, or any other disadvantage, you should do the best with the hand that you were given. Comparing yourself to others is what low and weak people (you) do. Yes, someone with a genetic disease that dies by age 20 will never be able to achieve what a normal person will, that shouldn't be used as justification for you, a normal person, to convince yourself that it's all luck and that what you do doesn't matter because the world is unfair and some people are dealt a poor hand. Grow up, idiot.

[Anonymous No.54697747]

>>54697690
Yes anon, I’m literally forcing you to post right now because guess what it’s in my control.

Oh no or wait, did you force ME to post and that’s why you’re replying to me now?

Which one of us is in control here? Why are you posting?

It’s very simple. You, by nothing but 1 in near infinite odds, happen to be reading my text, and your brain chemistry, by no choice of your own whatsoever, happens to then cause you to write text in response.

This is a very simple analogy for what is actually far more complex, and given your responses I do not expect you to understand, honestly. It’s my vain, uncontrollable attempt, at trying to explain to you what you’re too simple to actually get. And much of that is likely just fear. I am guessing it scares you to feel like you don’t have control. People live in fear of this all the time, but it’s quite freeing to accept.

[Anonymous No.54697749]

>>54697735
Still doesn’t get it unbelievable >>54697647

[Anonymous No.54697778]

It's everything.

[Anonymous No.54697784]

>>54697711
I want to encourage you to think about this: I nor anyone else in this thread who actually understand this concept are claiming to have founded it. These are very Buddhist ideas, they’ve been around for at the very least centuries if not millennia. The Internet and the Information Age, along with advances in modern brain science and astrophysics, have helped us really put these concepts into a light where philosophy and science perfectly align. We actually can look at a brain right now and tell you how it works, and the brain is a REACTIONARY organ. The cosmos around us that gave us the insanely rare chance at life were simply not your doing. That’s all there is to that.

To believe in choice is simply neglecting accumulated knowledge or the inability to comprehend it.

And to “muh philosophy” someone as a result of the above just further proves the point.

[Anonymous No.54697794]

>>54697747
>>54697784
Determinism is not some high IQ revelation. I understand your point, anyone over the age of 18 does. You are a biological entity with thoughts inside you, your thoughts change your brain/body chemistry, your brain/body chemistry changes your actions. Nurturing thoughts that take control away from you (even if that control is not "real") will lead your life to have worse outcomes because you will change your brain/ody to believe that it has no control. Whereas nurturing thoughts that give you control (even if that control is not "real") will lead your life to have better outcomes because you will change your brain/body to believe it has control and agency over events.

The fact (true or not) that this is what would have happened anyway is irrelevant. You are still a biological entity who believes itself to have control over itself, and thus the thoughts you decide to nurture will change what you are. You could say that the thoughts you've decided to nurture will keep you permanently mired in spiritual (and perhaps material) poorness, because your brain/body has not managed to convince itself to act properly in life. Whereas me, a deep thinker and successful individual, will be permanently in spiritual and material richness because I've been able to change my brain/body such that it takes proper actions.

[Anonymous No.54697805]

>>54697794
Yea, you’re not really getting it. Sorry. Good luck, anon.

[Anonymous No.54697808]

>>54697690
based and higher plane of existence pilled
hylics cannot make it

[Anonymous No.54697810]

>>54697805
I don't need it

[Anonymous No.54697984]

Even though the world is deterministic undoubtedly; you need to act as if it's not or you'll become a nervous wreck if it's at the forefront of your concious thought. Thinking you have free will is necessary for humans.

[Anonymous No.54697992]

>>54696033
define success. if you mean financial success, then luck plays virtually no part. it's all about willpower. if you were really determined, you would be committing crimes to make big money, but you're not that determined. Until you start committing crimes to make money, you can never complain about luck. Make your own luck, faggot

[Anonymous No.54698025]

>>54696033
Depends on your stance on free will

[Anonymous No.54698168]

>>54697730
I'm throwing it all away to pursue an egotistical dream that I by circumstance should not have access to but am willing to sacrifice for it.

[Anonymous No.54698170]

>>54697690
>>54698025
This is nothing to do with determinism / free will. When you make decisions, you have imperfect information, there are unknowns. They don't need to be truly random, but because they are unknown to you they are effectively random when they are revealed or the effects they cause happen. Like betting on a roll of the dice. Yes, the result may be determined by the winds in the air and the spin of the earth or whatever, but because it is impossibly for you to know or measure these variables, or to calculate them, it is effectively random luck.

[Anonymous No.54698328]

>>54698170
But that's mostly a consequence of free will. For instance, when planning to build a home, you may use a water jet to excavate the soil. But if you've already laid the foundation, this can cause liquefaction of the soil and potential rupturing of the foundation. This may be an "unknown" and "unlucky" consequence to you, but to someone knowledgeable or someone who bothered to research, this could have been avoided. You can mitigate the amount of unknowns in life simply by studying of your own free will.

[Anonymous No.54698517]

>>54696033
I made it and had very few hits on here, seems like a loser cope most likely.
Only 3 is true for me, asian parents its a given.

[Anonymous No.54698537]

>>54697076
Based and lines of succession pilled. Took me far too long to understand because boomer parents don't explain stuff like this. My kids will understand tho

[Anonymous No.54699841]

>>54698170
When you're playing games of high luck and high skill, like poker, trading, building a business, a roguelike, or being successful in life, you act such that your risk is managed so that you can keep playing. Yes, the current hand/trade/business/run/life is uncertain and there are many things about it that you can't control, but the only thing you do control is your own risk, so you act accordingly. You do the best you can with the hand that you were given, manage your risk properly, and then you play. If you win the hand good, if you don't, because you managed your risk it won't be something that prevents you from having another go at it. Those who can do that successfully consistently succeed over time in these environments of imperfect information, and those who simply say "well it's all about luck" don't.

[Anonymous No.54699911]

>>54696033
that used to be true
nowadays anywhere where you can get internet access and a reasonable knowledge of english as a kid you can make it, at least by local standards
for all the bravado of the socialist, the internet has been the biggest distributor of wealth from rich to poor countries and unlike their confiscating ways this way actually benefits everyone that is willing to play the game
so unless you are born in the middle of the jungle you got a way to improve your lot in life that never before existed in human history

this is a combination of online shitjobs that are worth it in third world countries and the ability to save your labor in crypto that isnt confiscatable by your local government, just ask the lain poster how crypto improved even argentina for the infinite better

[Anonymous No.54699930]

>>54696033
Luck is unironically the most important thing in life. BUT most people get a lucky chance one in a while, even if they're not lucky. The key to life is grasping that chance and not letting it go. Even if you get few chances it's still up to you not to fuck up the ones that come your way. If your playing life correctly 90% of life should just be waiting for the right chance and the remaining 10% are you abusing the chance to get as much out of it as you can. Investment works exactly the same way for me. 90% is waiting and looking for a chance

[Anonymous No.54699946]

>>54699911
>if you work your ass off you in 3rd world you can be in the same position as a literal nobody in 1st world after 20 years of work so luck isn't important
Bro we're not immortal. Some poor indian kid may replace an american programmer but he'll have to work his ass off to get to the same place and he'll be paid a lot less. Yeah luck is still a thing

[Anonymous No.54699957]

>>54697690
I used to think like that when I was a child but then I realized that how you react to situations is basically determined by your personality and you don't really control how your personality is and therefore the real answer is it's basically all luck.

Your whole assumption is completely wrong and basically cope(just like the earlier poster already said), whether you believe you have control or not is literally completely irrelevant, there was basically no chance to my life once I realized this it's basically all luck. You still need to buy food, you still need to pay rent whether you believe in "agency" changes literally nothing.

[Anonymous No.54699981]

In my case, I worked 60 hours a week for 2 years, and invested all that extra money into crypto.

Just about everyone who becomes rich does it by saving and then making good investments. Very few do it by saving alone.

The only luck involved in my success was the luck of being born with a certain range of years that allowed me to take advantage of the greatest investment opportunity in a century.

[Anonymous No.54700003]

>>54699981
>Just about everyone who becomes rich does it by saving and then making good investments
Most people just inherit it really

[Anonymous No.54700068]

>>54697012
it's not an excuse
Luck is the truth

[Anonymous No.54700088]

>>54697992
>committing crimes to make big money
then luck will determine if you'll go to jail or live a happy life
it's the ultimate truth

[Anonymous No.54700099]

>>54700068
>Luck is the truth
The trick here is that these people aren't actually interested in figuring out the truth(I'd argue most people aren't actually). They're only interested in success. Those two things are not the same at all unfortunately. Therefore they'll simply ignore all truths that they perceive would risk their success. But of course what they don't understand is that the truth is the truth whether you believe in it or not.

[Anonymous No.54700106]

>>54699981
The greatest investment opportunity in recorded history, actually.

[Anonymous No.54700177]

>>54696033
He's still at the (((philosophical luck))) stage, maybe next he'll double back to the (((extra mile))) stage

[Anonymous No.54700186]

>>54699957
Your personality is malleable. If you have an extremely undisciplined personality (like me), your goal in life should be to learn to become a disciplined person, and that's what I'm constantly doing. If I fed myself thoughts that would lead my body to remain undisciplined then I would be at fault, since I decided to feed my brain those thoughts, despite my natural inclinations towards accepting those thoughts as true. You have to look at your personality realistically, assess where its flaws are, and then fix them over time through conscious effort. Nothing good happens without conscious effort. That's your agency. If you want to believe that's not real then that's your problem and not mine, my life is going great, while based on the way you type your seems to not be. And that's entirely your own fault because you fed yourself poor thought patterns.

>>54700099
The truth is less important if it doesn't lead you to good outcomes. There are multiple types of truth. One of them is mathetical/scientific truth, which is the one you probably like the most. I understand this type of truth and its importance, but I also understand that this type of truth is not enough for a person to lead a good life. There's another type of truth which is called pragmatic truth. Pragmatic truth is concerned with if this thing is true AND it leads to successful outcomes. Something that is true and doesn't lead to successful outcomes is worse than something that is true and leads to successful outcomes. For instance, believing in luck and that it predominantly affects outcomes might be scientifically true, but it doesn't lead to successful outcomes because it removes your agency and leads you to make poor decisions, therefore it's not pragmatically true. While believing that luck is real but that you can overpower it with your will, is both scientifically true, but also pragmatically true, and therefore it's the better belief to have.

[Anonymous No.54700189]

>>54697647
Being aware that nothing happens in your control is the first step of gaining control.You realize that not being in control of your own life is a terrible predicament and there is a reason why you have that awareness in the first place.That awareness is there so that you can steer your life in the direction you want to.Part of it involves fooling yourself in the right moments "faking till you make mentality" another part is maximizing potentiality of getting lucky or being in the right place at the right time and having the means to seize the opportunity.
For example through trial and error I'm aware that this place is terrible when it comes to actually finding gems because a lot of the anons here are only looking jew each other out by rugpull scams or shilling their own bags and the actually good anons who give helpful advice are not the ones that involve themselves in the shitcoin game in the first place.That piece of information is valuable to me both in the context of luck maxing because I can cross out the place where opportunity is minimal and concentrate my capital elsewhere and in the larger context about how to search for opportunities in the first place i.e ignore the shills,focus on people that are real

[Anonymous No.54700267]

>>54697647
yes free will doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.54700268]

>>54700186
>The truth is less important if it doesn't lead you to good outcomes. There are multiple types of truth.
It's not about there existing "multiple truths", that's just nonsense. You're simply just picking and choosing truths that suit you and ignoring those that don't. In other words you're delusional.
>For instance, believing in luck and that it predominantly affects outcomes might be scientifically true, but it doesn't lead to successful outcomes because it removes your agency and leads you to make poor decisions, therefore it's not pragmatically true.
Not only are you delusional but you're also just simply wrong. I used to believe in this "free will/agency/control" meme when I was younger and now I don't anymore. The switch from believing to not believing didn't actually change my life at all. I didn't simply become a homeless loser or something because "nothing matters" or some other thing you're afraid that would happen. My life simply went on like it used to.

[Anonymous No.54700293]

Luck is a yuge part of success.

Like how you are lucky to hear about DONPEPE at 250k MC when the goal is to hit 50 mill MC

I’m wrong if this is the last DONPEPE post you see

[Anonymous No.54700321]

success - knowledge = luck

[Anonymous No.54700362]

>>54697095
oy vey are you saying the bible is a pilpul draft for das capital?

[Anonymous No.54700378]

>>54697064
>jewish shill tells goyim success is le bad
lmao what is this? 50 CE?

[Anonymous No.54700387]

>>54697056
I used to think this but I think there is a spiritual X Factor as well. People call it free will but I think that may be a misnomer.

[Anonymous No.54700515]

>born healthy and not with a devastating disability
In pre-industrial times you would just die early in childhood and return back to the void. You wouldn't even know you were unlucky.

>born with some talent
That's not pure luck, but a consequence of the mating choices my mother and father made.

>raised by parents that help you grow
The same. That's not pure luck, but again based on the genetic makeup of my ancestors and their choices.

>be in a country that provides opportunities
My grandparents lost a substantial amount of wealth to the Communists Hordes overrunning my country and dividing it in two. The fact that my country provides opportunities is not "luck", but based on the genetic superiority of my people.

>be at the right place at the right time
>take advantage of the opportunity
I once read an interesting book about the German Blitzkrieg. It's not just that Germans regularly got very lucky, when conducting operations. But their entire strategy enabled opportunities and encouraged the officers to take these opportunities. So with the right attitude you will encounter more lucky opportunities.

Who you were born as has nothing to do with luck. It's a conscious choice of your Ancestors. It's impossible for "you" to be born as anything else. You could never have been a white man in any life, because the "you" that exists only exists as the race you are born.

[Anonymous No.54700810]

>>54700515
>mating choices my parents made
That they were always going to make due to elements completely outside of their control, which includes an infinitely long list but a handful of those things:

>the precise millisecond at which they were conceived
>the fact that they were ever in the same place at the same time
>the fact that they were born around similar times and thus were compatible mating ages
>the fact that they both were biologically able to conceive
>the fact that they did not die of disease, war, or any number of other things prior to conception
>the fact that their own parents and parents before them also experienced all of these things

Now tell me which of all of these NECESSARY components you or they had any control in. Did they “choose” to have a baby? No. That was always going to be, it was a matter of sequence of events wholly outside of their influence occurring, and then some events occurring within their sphere of “influence” which were the result of external happenings (also outside of their influence) causing chemical triggers in their brain that causes them to react to those things. They did not get to choose how their brain reacted, because they did not choose their brain, and therefore they did not get to choose the messages which their brain sent tell them to fall in “love” (a pure chemical reaction), get married, have sex, or anything else. Simply reactions to their surroundings and their own uncontrollable influence on one another.

Anything else is indeed cope, and there hasn’t been a single argument made in this thread which shows otherwise because they have literally all been cope arguments by cringe lords who just can’t bear the fact that choice is a human construct meant to help us feel better, like religion.

[Anonymous No.54700859]

>>54700515
>That's not pure luck, but a consequence of
It's luck for you, because you had absolutely nothing to do with it. Same thing with trust fund babies who are born into wealth. Their parents might not have gotten wealthy through sheer luck, but on the trust fund babies part it's just pure luck

[Anonymous No.54700961]

>>54700810
Constructs that make you feel better and thus lead you to make better choices for yourself, your family and your community are useful. They are not cope. They serve a purpose and lead to a better life. A better life is desirable for its own sake. You're not some rugged unique snowflake for realizing that people delude themselves of all sorts of things. Your entire argument this entire thread is meaningless, everyone understands what you're saying, it's just a nothing argument. It doesn't lead anywhere. It's not useful. Truth that is not useful is worse than truth that is useful. Until you realize that you'll keep coping and seething that other people supposedly don't understand your argument, when in fact they do, they think it's a really retarded argument. Go back to the 2010s on reddit, /r/atheism especifically, and you'll find lots of people as enlightened by their own intelligence as you, dumb idiot.

[Anonymous No.54701133]

>>54697083
You ate stupid and will blame your failures on bad luck guaranteed.
I'd tell you to read what he said again but you won't get it still.

[Anonymous No.54701145]

>>54697239
Why do losers refuse to accept their forebearers were losers?
Is it because they actually, deep down, do understand the implications they pretend to miss?

[Anonymous No.54701155]

>>54697095
>doesn’t read the original translation
>doesn’t know GOD vs Elohim vs yhwh

Anon, I….

[Anonymous No.54701211]

>>54700515
>that's what CHUDs actually believe in

[Anonymous No.54701240]

>>54696524
Wrong. This is a free will universe. That's why there are non-believers and why faith is integral part of Christian ethos.

[Anonymous No.54701552]

>>54701211
Yes, I look like this. Yes, I talk like this.

[Anonymous No.54701743]

>>54697711
>youre probably under 18 and you shouldnt be here

Everyone I've ever met who was highly deterministic or didn't believe in free will was incredibly insecure, demoralized, and nihilistic.

I used to think not believing in free will caused those symptoms since "nothing mattered" was the case but its the other way. Those feelings and mindset however manifested lead to thinking nothing matters and eventually the conclusion there is no free way. Idk if its cope but more than anything I think its borne from a feeling of security and safety for the believer thinks its accurate.

[Anonymous No.54701779]

>>54696524
this anon understands. pic related.

[Anonymous No.54701782]

>>54700378
Talk about Christ like that one more time and there will be a problem, Shlomo.

[Anonymous No.54701785]

>>54701743
>everyone I’ve ever met
Cool anecdote. I’m highly secure and have an amazing life with a beautiful family in a wealthy area and a high paying career and have done things in my life most people only every dream of. So now you know someone on the other side of the spectrum, and your anecdote is instantly worthless.

But hey it was YOUR CHOICE to BTFO yourself, you intended for this to happen.

[Anonymous No.54701788]

>>54697984
>>54697984

Its a combination of determinism I.E laws that government our natural world (if you jump off a cliff you will fall and hit the bottom) and randomness I.E. the choices we make within those set parameters.

Other people can make decisions that lead to a series of events that affect us and its not within our control but then we can simply choose how respond to it.

Otherwise, I know I can choose my own actions

[Anonymous No.54701811]

>>54697984
Nonsensical statement. If the world is predetermined, deliberating about how one "needs to act" is pointless.

[Anonymous No.54701818]

>>54701788
If it's "random" then it's not chosen behavior either.

[Anonymous No.54701842]

>>54701785
>I’m highly secure and have an amazing life with a beautiful family in a wealthy area and a high paying career and have done things in my life most people only every dream of

There are always exceptions to the rule. I'd also suggest you aren't. You mostly mentioned material things as opposed to experiencing of love, joy, empowerment, appreciation, freedom, and gratitude.

You don't sound secure you sound ass hurt as if you took what I said personally since it was my anecdote which shouldn't be the case if you as secure as you suggest.

[Anonymous No.54701850]

>>54696033
80-90% luck, anyone who denies this is delusional.

[Anonymous No.54701851]

>>54701818
>If it's "random" then it's not chosen behavior either.

The randomness IS the free will of choice. I thought that part was implied.

[Anonymous No.54701871]

>>54701785
Of that's the case that's even worse cause you spread such a pozzed mindset even though you have a good life

[Anonymous No.54701920]

>>54701842
>family, experiences are material things
Selective bias isn’t going to help your case. Sorry.

>>54701871
>now it’s even worse you are saying what you are because you have a wonderful life!
These aren’t arguments against the facts I’ve laid out. These are more coping mechanisms.

I’ve laid out dozens of undeniable examples illustrating the exact truths you goons keep simply ignoring and not one of you has even tried to make a rational argument, but I understand why: you can’t.

I’m now leaving this thread forever. Off to enjoy the day with my family. Enjoy circle jerking about “muh choice to be on this shithole board 9 hours a day wallowing in self pity”.

[Anonymous No.54701974]

>>54701851
Free will means your mind determines the behavior. It is not random.

[Anonymous No.54701999]

>>54701743
You couldn't be more wrong here. Intellectually it is very difficult merely to comprehend what the absence of free will entails. It's not a position one simply stumbles upon in a bout of the blues.

[Anonymous No.54702390]

>>54701999
>Intellectually it is very difficult merely to comprehend what the absence of free will entails.

The irony here is the idea of free will not existing is the desired end result of nearly every demoralization campaign and psy-op the elitist class pushes on the masses.

[Anonymous No.54702443]

>>54696033
A little, it's always a little bit of luck.

[Anonymous No.54702462]

>>54702390
>desired end result
You're still not getting it. Without free will there is no purpose to trying to manipulate the masses. What the masses will do has been predetermined. The outcome of any "campaigns" and "psyops" has already been written.

[Anonymous No.54702499]

>>54696033
How is success defined in this context? Is tiger woods successful because he’s lucky? He just happened to get lucky hitting a golf ball a million times?

[Anonymous No.54702715]

>>54702499
He was lucky to have been born with an extraordinary capacity for fine motor control and within a family that prioritized golfing excellence and that introduced the sport to him at age 2.

[Anonymous No.54702773]

"Luck" is just the cope du jour for sophomoric individualists to deploy to avoid thinking about the fact that "success" is a multi-generational, pan-cultural Enterprise that simply cannot be meaningfully understood or discussed when you impose a framework upon it that draws firm lines at the borders between individual people and lifetimes. Thousands of years of effort and the intricacies of painstakingly-constructed social contracts is not fucking "luck", it's an ongoing project that WILL come undone if narrow-minded midwits keep shoehorning it into the tiny room-for-one box of individualist analysis. The integrity of the Enterprise depends upon people understanding themselves as doing their part in it, and their contributions to it - whether they're at the absolute peak or toiling near the bottom - are poisoned when they are enthralled by myths about "self-made-men" or about how thousands of years of things that were done very much on purpose are mere "luck".

[Anonymous No.54702885]

>>54702715
The success of someone like tiger woods wasn’t produced by randomness.
It’s true you’ve got to be genetically predisposed to be at the top at any sport, but after that you’ve got to work you ass off for decades and win against thousands of people working just as hard as you. Attributing it to luck makes no sense. Most moderately successful people just work hard. Granted it’s best to be above average in IQ or some other area, but after that it’s all about the hours you put in.

[Anonymous No.54702931]

>>54702885
The propensity to work hard is also a product of nature and nurture, as all human traits are.

[Anonymous No.54702972]

>>54700267
free will is just an illusion.
you and everybody else are slave to fate

[Anonymous No.54703097]

>>54696033
All you need is the first one, that is all. Why do you think so many professional people were upper middle class, they had the money for private schools and tutors

[Anonymous No.54703147]

>>54702462
>You're still not getting it.

I could say the same of you. I get it but I simply believe you are wrong kek

[Anonymous No.54703156]

>>54702931
What are you trying to say? Super successful people are rare, but it’s not luck that makes them successful.

[Anonymous No.54703436]

>>54696033
Does someone know which is the YT video from the comment in the pic?

[Anonymous No.54703537]

>>54703156
luck makes them successful
take for example Bill gates

[Anonymous No.54703557]

>>54700810
Everything is a construct you retarded faggot, but no please keep telling me how your nihilistic one is more superior to others for some arbitrary reason
All knowledge us ultimately based on something you can't prove

[Anonymous No.54703599]

The only thing you need on that list is point one minus the wealth
Health and not retarded

[Anonymous No.54703694]

>>54703537
I don’t think it is. Gates, Einstein, Roger Federer and all the rest with one in a million -tier success don’t have their accomplishments fall out of the sky by random chance.

[Anonymous No.54703715]

You do need to put in the effort to put yourself in a position to get lucky. The more effort, the better the chance you have at luck. But luck is never guaranteed no matter what.

In other words, yes it's all luck in the end.

[Anonymous No.54703790]

timing, iq, and luck

if you're born to a time with low opportunity you can do everything right and still be easily overtaken by someone else who simply started later.

cross-generational success has been shown to exist even when the middle generation loses their benefits and status. iq matters, it's why the world is dominated by europeans and asians after all.

and no matter what you do luck is fundamentally the gatekeeper. you're beholden to other people's actions than your own far more than most people realize.

[Anonymous No.54704325]

discovering /biz/ is a good thing or not?

[Anonymous No.54704764]

Luck is obviously a huge component of success, though I would hesitate to say it is 100%.

Let's be real here. You could be born into a low IQ family in Somalia vs. being born into a rich family in a Western country. Some people get dealt pocket aces while others get a 2 7 off suit.

[Anonymous No.54705015]

>>54697095
/biz/ is a Calvinist board, begone Armenian scum

[Anonymous No.54705172]

>>54697087
Hangeth thyself

[Anonymous No.54705235]

>>54696085
Agreed. Sometimes god doesn't give us the best hand in life, but it's up to us to make the most with it and figure out what do we want to do with our lives.

[Anonymous No.54705281]

>>54696033
success is like a recipe

Luck is ALWAYs a huge part of it
Hard work and skills are only usually a big part of it

[Anonymous No.54705308]

who cares?
why do you give so much of a shit

[Anonymous No.54705353]

i was lucky when i was stumbled upon pepl.

[Anonymous No.54706191]

>>54696033
Fortune makes it easier, but you have to be really, REALLY just'd to not be able to make it through work and perseverance. Basically anyone able to engage in this conversation on the internet is in a position to become a millionaire. As for the Bangladeshi who was born blind and one-armed? My condolences. I'm also sorry that obese redditors use you as a rationalization for leaching off of their parents.

[Anonymous No.54706310]

>>54701811
Many will come across the debate on free will vs determinism and feel the only conclusion is nihilism leading to helplessness or self destructive behaviour. Even language breaks down when discussing it or at least I myself don't have the capability or inclination to explain it better. It can still be in your destiny to know this information and continue to follow the self help pathway and be successful, wealthy, strong.

[Anonymous No.54706353]

>>54706191

based

[Anonymous No.54706475]

>>54706310
Some stark truths can be soul-crushing to the weak of spirit.

[Anonymous No.54706900]

>>54700267
Yes free will do exist.